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Likeacupcake 09:01, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sephiroth's daddy/creatorEdit

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It's not similar to Lucas. There really isn't anything complicated here. Nomura CREATED Sephiroth. He drew Sephiroth. He came up with everything Sephiroth related (visually anyway, not storywise). Then, AFTER Nomura created Sephiroth and made Sephiroth's final artwork, Amano was commissioned to draw ONE artwork of Sephiroth which doesn't even look like what Sephiroth is in the game. Nomura didn't do anything to Amano's artwork. Amano's artwork is totally unrelated to Sephiroth's creation. If you want a better comparision, think about Lightning from FFXIII. Amano did two pieces of artwork for Lightning, but he had nothing to do with her creation. The Vagrant 16:13, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
Ahhh... that makes no sense. They have the final art work, so why would they go back and make rough work? Plus Amano has Seph as right handed, when he is clearly left handed in the final game and, strangely enough, Nomura's art. And what would be these two pieces Amano did for Lightning? Likeacupcake 16:23, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
[1] and [2], both released after the game's development was finished. And they're not "rough artwork", they're promotional artwork. The Vagrant 16:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
Do me a favor; look at how close Lightning's stuff is to her final image, and now compair that to the difference between his stuff with Seph. Sephiroth's artwork was clearly done earlier on in production, where as Lightning's would have been done much later, this would be an indication of differing intents for the artwork; one for promotion, one for design. Likeacupcake 16:36, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I've contacted a friend on a website that translates the Ultmania guides to verify your claim. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:22, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The Vagrant 16:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
To be fair, the release time of artwork doesn't reflect much about when it was drawn - took until Dissidia for that Amano art of Cloud of Darkness to be seen by a wide audience. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:30, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Amano is not a character designer for FFVII. Nomura is. The Vagrant is correct here. Amano's artwork is based on Nomura's, not the other way around. Amano's artwork of Sephiroth is not meant to be a character design sketch at all (hence the artistic liberties taken with the sword-arm). It is "just" an artwork image of Sephiroth. Same with Lightning art. Square commissions Amano to do Final Fantasy artwork images because they are big fans of his art, and know many people are as well, and love Amano artwork of Final Fantasy characters. Amano does design the game logos, though.Keltainentoukokuu 17:27, October 30, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

Lightning Edit

Where did you find this pic? DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 18:38, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Tetsuya Nomura sent it to me via snail mail B) The Vagrant 18:58, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
I am having just a teensy bit of difficulty believing that. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo 18:59, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
I'm asking seriously please. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 19:02, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
Sigh, like I care if you don't believe me. I live in Japan by the way. The Vagrant 19:03, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
You should care, given the pic's ambiguous origins we could have it deleted if you couldn't prove it was Nomura's art. Fortunately for you I found it's source myself, so consider the matter closed. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 19:04, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
You can find the image here or here. Koharu Nami 19:06, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
EDIT:Jeez I need to read!!! D:< Koharu Nami 19:07, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

X has not been confirmed as VII Edit

Just like it says on the message head. However much ground you think you have on this theory that the worlds of X and VII are one and the same, it's still just that: a theory. It's an unprecedented thing, Square has never done anything like it before, and it's more than likely an allusion. I don't need your spiel on how they're obviously the same world, it doesn't matter what argument you have. Until Square confirms them to be the same game, it's not going up in the articles. Stop undoing others' reversions of those edits. Jimcloud 15:15, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you just read the sources that source the quotes I posted. The Vagrant 15:32, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
We know about the theory and the info, but it's just an allusion. There's zero solid evidence the worlds are the same. Please stop stating it as fact. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 15:41, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I read the sources, they said connected, which implies they had the same ideas when building the world, but that does not confirm them as being one and the same. Had they explicitly stated that, maybe, but they don't. They say they're similar. That's like saying FFI and FFIX are the same world because those are connections. Those connections were purposeful as well, but they're not the same world, because the game takes allusions from previous games. X is the same as IX in this fashion. X and VII are never stated to be the same world. Jimcloud 15:43, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Are the current revisions of the two pages acceptable compromises? DoreikuKuroofangu 16:09, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ultimania Edit

Cool finds there. If you have any more, it'd be great if you can use the <ref></ref> tags to add the reference to the article, then it's gonna look more credible. You just need that, plus the {{Reflist}} at the bottom if it doesn't already have a References section. All the stuff that we've never found out about because they don't make them Ultimanias in English!Keltainentoukokuu 01:12, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I created this page to help find translators for the Ultimanias but sadly I don't think it'll get anywhere (some of these have been around for a decade and the information is probably common knowledge in Japan, but still unknown in the English speaking world :-( ). The Vagrant 01:24, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
You should talk to the staff at TheLifestream.net, they do a lot of translating work and are pretty good with it. Doreiku Kuroofangu 01:28, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Done and waiting for a reply: [3] The Vagrant 01:32, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
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