DNC Question[edit source]

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TacticAngel TALK 01:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I suppose you could say that fights are chosen in a random order. I try to mix it up, traditionally, or have a theme from week to week. Sometimes its obvious of the ones in the suggestions that there might be a good series of weeks to do, other times I just try to keep it so its not always Auron versus _______. I suppose you could say I try to keep a pulse generally, but that is not to say I haven't picked out one or two fights just to irk people and to test their good sense to 'STFU' at times.
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TacticAngel TALK 21:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I see no current examples of this. I know that there was a point where I outlined the rules of the DNC quite clearly, and since then I have been trying to enforce the rule with consistency. As far as Jappo goes, it is not my intention to make him leave, but I do not agree that his longevity or other contributions should grant him immunity.
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TacticAngel TALK 21:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
All laws that are laws were at one point not. It is perhaps an American or democratic thing not to enforce ex post facto. You might just call it an issue of fairness, but there was a week or two when the rules were in red because they'd changed and I was handing out warnings rather than immediately taking action. Now that everyone should know the rules, they should expect to obey them or they should expect the outlined, expected, and agreed upon consequences.
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Hi I noticed that you are the administrator for the DNC. I just want to let you know that someone has put a fight into the Queued list and it wasn't something that was even suggested. Xlatinsorax 16:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Multiple Neo Bahamuts[edit source]

The person you gave the DNCWarn to was NeoBahamut, while the one who was talking in the DNC was Neo Bahamut. The confusion seems to happen a lot. ScatheMote 23:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


Hello Im on FFXIClopedia, but still Kinda New[edit source]

Anyways, Hello TacticsAngel. I would like to offer to you Final Fantasy & Dragons 2, which will just be a sequal to your very nice D20 game. I am still happy using DnD 3.0, so the rules will be similar to that system. I will try to include an increased list of jobs, and balance changes to ones you have already outlined. But, since it is a new version and not an expansion, it won't work with what you have already done. Me E-Mail is korponi_3@yahoo.com, and I will like your input/comments as I continue working on this oversized project.

TacticAngel TALK 02:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't suppose you have a link or anything. I am notoriously bad about checking my personal e-mail.

I haven't emailed you or anything lol...Ive thrown out all my past work after seeing your setup, and realize the best bet to actually getting this done is realizing that my best bet to implementing Final Fantasy to D&D is to stop turning D&D into Final Fantasy as I accidently was doing, and turn Final Fantasy into D&D. I'll keep in touch best I can, but I still have no link, as I am back at square one in my progress. I can give you a link once I have a lajit system, and progress is moving.


There u go Neo Bahamut. U forgot the second t in text, so didn't see ur actual response till I went to edit. :)...Id like a chatbox too.


President of the USA[edit source]

So, can he call people retards without repercussions? My God, that country is freaking sweet.

Sarcasm aside, just a question: How come I get banned for saying that fantards (a term I just made up at the moment of posting) exist and there are a annoyingly high number of them around FFX and that's why people usually hates the game without calling anyone a fantard (that's the important part, in fact I explicitly said that FinalAnnihilator (I think) was not one), but some people call bitch some other people and nothing happens? Hey, that's cool bro. Zak Undersn 13:56, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

TacticAngel TALK 03:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Pretty much what Neo said. I wouldn't have said hypocrisy, because its not really my thing, and people use it so much its meaningless, but yeah... that kind of nonsense doesn't make me want to keep you around any more than before, and thats an understatement.

Oh, feck, I was writing a longpost explaining some things and I closed the explorer, I'll try to sum up:

That time I didn't want to start a flamewar, I just wanted to give a short and clear answer to the question FinalAnnihilator made. Of course, my trolling habits made it look like an attack, but it wasn't my intention to automatically include anyone into the term fantard (I hadn't heard it before, that's why I told I made it up) because FinalAnnihilator's comment made sense, and I had no reason to attack him. If I said you two couldn't read it's because I didn't mean to include anyone, and I didn't explicitly include anyone, if I wanted to include someone I would have said it, it's easier than expecting someone to mystically understand what you meant. Also, when I said YHBT (You Have Been Trolled) I couldn't believe it, I just wanted to answer, not to start anything.

I know I troll, but I make it just because it's too easy in the DNC, if you use the right word, tere's always someone who will get pissed by it and you will have a nice way to spend the evening without spending a cent. What I mean is that there's a lot of fanatism floating around there, and exploiting it is fun. Well, I think nothing of this counts as an excuse.

If I came to the talkpage to ask for the reason of the ban in that way (making it sound like an accusation) is because I was surprised, I made worse things before in other Peanut Galleries (the "calling someone a bitch" was the first to come to my mind, but you can include any of my acts into the sentence), and this time I didn't wanted to do anything else than answering. I didn't expect it to come from this way, but that's the beauty of the flaming&trolling, kinda.

I won't try to convince you (Tactic Angel) I'm a productive member of this society called FFWiki or that I'm a victim of your tyranny, mainly because I'm not. You did your job, I was pissed because I didn't expect you to ban me that time and I expected you to do it before, when I told people to die, in example. I wanted to know where the limit was, now I know it, I don't think I will do it again, but I'm not sure, the Dark Side is fun, and they have cookies.

About the productiveness, well, I made some minor edits anyone could do if they had the curiosity enough to calculate the approximated damage Vivi's Gravity does in FFIX. In fact, I only visit the page to find some help about skills and spend some time trolling in the DNC (and voting, but voting takes about two minutes while trolling is more satisfying). There's no sense on telling I don't.

What I mean with this is that there's no loss on banning me, at least there's no loss right now. I would like to contribute someday, but either my english or my ignorance on some topics doesn't allow me to, and I'm a professional procastinator, so I don't fit into the scheme of a good contributor. If I deserve to be banned, I will accept it. But I repeat that I never thought that I would be banned for that comment and that's why I wanted to know why.

PS: The Neo Bawmut thing is because you always jump out of nowhere to (metaphorically) cry about something someone said. It's a character shorter than Neo Bahamut, too. Zak Undersn 14:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

TacticAngel TALK 17:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Listen, I don't really care, and I don't want to read a bunch of nonsense on my talk page that I feel obligated to respond to. Name calling is not permitted. You can imply whatever you want, and what you infer is your own deal, but not everyone who has opinions different than yours are dumb. There are countless reasons to dislike Final Fantasy X and there are reasons to like it too, and it is your responsibility as a member of this 'community' to conduct yourself in an appropriate manner and to obey the rules. At the end of the day, only you can control your own actions, so take some responsibility for yourself.

So, you're telling me that that things I read somewhere of "talk to the admins if you think your ban is not fair" or "if you have any question just talk to the admins" was just bullshit? You're so cool I'm gonna die Zak Undersn 21:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

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I know I deserved the block, but I think a warning before I get too hotheaded isn't asking for too much, let alone given my behavior before (that was like HEY, HERE, WARN ME). Also, does being blocked mean that you automatically lose the right to explain some things on the blocker's talk page? That's how it looks, boy. I'm not asking for absolution. And now I'm moderating myself, or else I would earn a good ban4life.

PS: Oh, and congrats for your birthday. I get a bit amnesic for those things. Zak Undersn 00:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

FFXIII in DNC[edit source]


Shit You Don't Care About[edit source]

TacticAngel TALK 01:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I would live a blessed life if the greatest thing about which I had to worry was what people half a world away, who can effect me in no realistic manner, think of the fights I post in the DNC. Do not worry at all about anything on my behalf. I have weathered much worse personally as well as on this site.

FFXI articles[edit source]

Just thought I'd let you know that we're creating subpages to host all the job abilities, with job ability articles redirecting to the page needed. A new user also managed to get images for each family of enemies. Any objections/suggestions before we begin?

Also, you posted "Yuan is empowered to ban you for being a trouble maker in general" on Neo Bahamut's talk page. However...I'm not an admin and I don't have any power to ban him :p. Although speaking of the DNC, could I please have permission to dump any further lengthy arguments in this thread to reduce loading times? — YuanSaluto!Acta 23:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

TacticAngel TALK 11:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't know what you mean as far as the abilities. I've made pages for each of the abilities, at least most of them already. If you're talking a Mantra (Final Fantasy XI), I would expect that you'd be making a Mantra (Final Fantasy VI) too. Final Fantasy XI should be treated, generally, in a way consistent with all of the other Final Fantasy titles, and insofar as that is concerned, my opinion is rather secondary to the general direction.

I saw the Final Fantasy images. Its something of a technicality to say that he's only really gotten about 20% of the enemy models. He has uploaded a picture of all of the major families. I would have probably named the category differently, but thats hardly important.

For the DNC, I have no objections to what you have been doing. I plan on slowly ratcheting up enforcement of on-topic discussion, so hopefully that won't be a problem in the future. I'd only ask that you only move that which is clearly tangential.

Hello^^[edit source]

Hi, umm..I suggested a fight in the Dragon's Neck Colosseum you could tell me how long it takes to get the answer if it was accepted or not?Sindra The Fire Angel 05:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

TacticAngel TALK 07:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
You'll never really get an answer. Some things are queued forever, others move along quickly.

Dragon's Neck Colosseum[edit source]

what did i do--a17280fdec998b452275c942c7dfe2cb 01:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC). hello what did i do--a17280fdec998b452275c942c7dfe2cb 03:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC).

Final Fantasy Wiki:Dragon's Neck Colosseum/Nomination Page[edit source]

Do you actually take in to account that page? Because if you don't, I say get rid of it; it merely spams the Recent Changes. Faethinte audio 17:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

TacticAngel TALK 04:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I definitely pay attention to it. Its... useful.

hello^^[edit source]

Hi, can reconsider your decision on the Dragon's Neck Colosseum, now no one can suggest a fight any more, but in my opinion the colosseum is an important and very dear part o FF wiki. Thanks for the attention and considerationSindra The Fire Angel 21:50, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

TacticAngel TALK 02:24, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
I don't know what you're talking about / what you're appealing.
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I find it kinda funny that whenever I join posting in a games topic on a forum, or editing on a Wiki fan-project, it gets locked soon after. All I was doing was not killing the TOC by shortening all the headings. I can't even see the DNC nomination page, or the DNC project page, the DNC template and the main page on my RC.... not that any of you care.  ILHI 13:25, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

DNC rule change[edit source]

I'm wondering if you would be willing to change one of the rules in the DNC. That rule is: "No fights that have already been done". Would it be possible to change that to not been done for at least a year? Because with many new users, the outcome can change, and it could give people a chance to vote for their favorite character that was in a fight before they joined, and hasn't come up since. Do you have any thoughts on this request? Thanks. 1stclasswarrior 21:32, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

No. At least, I don't think so. Because there are loads of good fights that can be done. Why should we be subject to the same 52 fights ever year? More and more characters being added to the series, far less need to repeat fights.  ILHI 22:28, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
What I suggest we could do is that every 10th week or so we could have a fight that previously ended as a draw and see what result could come about now, starting with the earliest? Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 22:36, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
TacticAngel TALK 23:02, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
That is a general directive. Honestly, we've done repeats before, often because my memory is not that tedious/perfect. Usually we don't revisit fights except on weeks that are a multiple of 25 (Bad Fight Week), then generally there might be a few random fights that we've either done before or that are not necessarily within the norm.

DNC nommination changes?[edit source]

This is a little sudden, but I need to tell you that I and several others are trying to find a better way to handle the DNC nommination page. The page has gotten to be over 250 suggestions and there are rule-breaking suggestions left and right. One of the latest suggestions was "Chuck Noris vs Cloud". This needs to stop, everyone of the users looking after the page agrees with me. That is why when we were discussing how the page can be changed for the better, I came up with a set of changes that I think will have to be approved by you first. Can you please go to the disscussion page to see if you can allow any of those. Please note that everyone has agreed that the page cannot remain the way it is. If you agree to this change, I am already ready to help put it together and help it along whenever I can. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2.png-

I'm with Ninja of Wind on this TA. I was the one who started the discussion and others just added onto it. We seriously need mods to monitor the page or something of the sort. Its getting way way WAY out of hand. I saw a lot of suggestions that need to be deleted. We need new rules for the DNC. I'm also ready to help with anything that needs to be done with page. It was my suggestion, so I'm willing to help as much as I can. If you need to contact me TA, leave a message on my talk page. I'm always around here anyway. TheBlueDragoon 03:20, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
TacticAngel TALK 01:22, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
I am curious how much effort you want to really devote to looking at the nominations page. Depending on how you look at recent changes, it can be a hassle or not. It doesn't bother me too terribly much, its just always towards the top of the list. I will admit that I am have been generally happy to let Blue Highwind's compulsive habits rule the way it has been moderated up to this point. I am not opposed to anything listed there, per se. It wasn't immediately apparent to me how I would know previously popular proposals.

I am not sure how much you gain from a template. It would certainly make things look a little better. The formality might add code, and actually make the page take longer to load. The is really a marginal loss, though, admittedly. Just be prepared that someone will forget some code somewhere and break the whole page.

Frankly some of the stuff at the bottom about excellent or Darwinian suggestions is a little... silly. Its hard to quantify what is excellent and what is terrible, and it seems to make something of nothing. The DNC is not meant to be a major anything; its more of a sideshow. Thats like making a green room for a sideshow.

Even if it is a sideshow, it is a very popular sideshow that deserves better in the way it is put together. If 260+ suggestions have been made on just one page, I think that some form of control needs to be put into place so this sideshow can stay organized enough to maintain it's reputation. If you say that it isn't that big a deal, then you might want to appoint some people who do think it's a big deal to take care of this problem. People will continue to ask you about this until a change is made. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2.png-

TacticAngel TALK 00:42, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
I am not opposed to a few of the things on there. As you know, I don't care about polls. My two major points are as follows:
  • Not much that is listed there is necessarily a departure from the way that the talk page should be administered. It seems to require a great deal of police work and offers nothing in the way of efficiency.
  • Semantically, I'm not a fan of 'rules' as a term. My reasoning is that there are at least a handful of fights that are against the general 'rules' as generally understood. Rules also imply consequences. If you think any administrator is going to ban people for making a suggestion, I think you'll be disappointed.

I will consider doing something. I think its beyond question that something probably should be done. I think my major beef with appointing someone to watch the talk page is that after Blue Highwind stopped paying attention to it, I don't know how other people will handle it. I don't know that I care to dictate that either.

Chances are really that the problem is systemic and originating from the nomination's page original beginnings as a talk page. If you look at it, we're treating it like a forum or talk page still, unwilling to delete anything. I'd frankly think it would be more productive if I came up with a general form to make it look better, included the no table of contents code, and deleted crap that are unpopular as soon as that is obvious and that I am unwilling to post for one reason or another. I think I could manage that. I guess I'll throw that to the wolves and see what people think.

More Senseless DNC Questions[edit source]

TacticAngel TALK 18:19, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
The DNC is not for anyone in particular. It is meant for all users and even people who have not signed up to be a user here (in the form of our anonymous section. Granted, only registered users can nominate fights. I cannot honestly say I pay attention to who is new versus old, personally. I cannot speak to whether or not others think of it as a boy's club, so to speak, where only those who have cut their teeth here can really expect to find support for their options. Considering the rather small percentage of our users who actually make substantive contributions, I would find that somewhat unlikely. I would suggest that perhaps the reason why people who have been here long have better luck with their suggestions is because they understand that most fights have some reasoning behind them, some rationale, and understand, also, that some fights are simply not appropriate.

Collapsible Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Do you have any objections to me implementing a collapsible box within the Peanut Gallery? — YuanSalve!Acta 07:21, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

I really don't know how I feel about it. We can try it out. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

The DNC Archives[edit source]

I thought you would like to be notified. Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:28, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

DNC Schedule[edit source]

Re: Mixed Message[edit source]

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TacticAngel TALK 22:34, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
Ohh... didn't see it there. Oh well. I withdraw that bit. I was cleaning up the DNC suggestions page and I was thinking that was odd.
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DNC Queue[edit source]

Not asking to be smartass or anything, but do you use it? Some of the fights on it are more than a year old and haven't been put up yet. Just wondering if maybe you should do away with it if it isn't being used? Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:49, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

TacticAngel TALK 02:40, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
I do use it to an extent, I don't trust it, and not all of the fights on it are necessarily eligible. There's shit on there that I definitely didn't queue up and perhaps I give people more credit than they deserve when I see it and I think there's no way that anyone would vote for a few of those.
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Uh....[edit source]

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I would imagine the mass song lyric posting/discussion. Doreiku Kuroofangu 00:47, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

What? All I did was note my personal music opinion. I didn't even condone in that huge discussion. If it's that important that I wrote a few words, I won't even condone in the Peanut Gallery anymore. SilverCrono 00:54, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Jesus almighty. If thats what it was, then I'm with SC. I won't even comment on fights anymore. God damn.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png00:58, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
TacticAngel TALK 01:41, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Please reference the following: Forum:DNC Reminder and The Rules, Briefly. Your participation in the DNC is acceptance of the rules. Your participation in the peanut gallery will be, as it always was, your choice.

You will refrain from blasphemy on my talk page at my request, as is expected of all courteous and civil editors.

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TacticAngel TALK 21:30, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
I think this effected a total of 10 users. I mete out justice dispassionately. It gives me no pleasure to put out such warnings, especially when I have to give them to people like Yuan or Faethin, who I admittedly know better than you guys. Fortunately, I'm confident in the big picture, that sensible guidelines provide order that benefits everyone in the end, and I have a reputation for not caring so much about my reputation... which probably was one reason I'm not a sysop.

Wanna play Mafia?[edit source]


Non-FF fights in the DNC[edit source]

I'm just dropping a line to ask for approval on this idea -- Sorceror Nobody 15:11, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

hello[edit source]

I'm kinda new here. Could you help me out? -Therider Rides Alone 20:53, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

TacticAngel TALK 23:36, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

DNC[edit source]

How come you didn't tally all the fights? Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:38, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

TacticAngel TALK 23:55, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
With utter confidence and competence, "What?"

Clearly I got distracted...

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