Please leave any messages that retain to any work you would like me to help with on the wiki. Depending on my current in real life status and difficulty of the task, I will try to get back to you as fast as I can and help with said task.
- 1 Research assistance request
- 2 FFRK Translation??
- 3 FFXIV removed abilities
- 4 Dimensions II
- 5 RE: Crystal Eye
- 6 FFXIV topics
- 7 Summons
- 8 Boop Boop
- 9 Loghrif
- 10 How to news, then?
- 11 About Vaan's new costume
- 12 Checking in on the Advisor Program
- 13 Shutting down hype
- 14 About XIV's ommega weapon
- 15 Translations!
- 16 An all-too-familiar pattern
Research assistance request[edit source]
Yikes! It's been a while since we've talked...and you should probably archive some stuff so you don't get backed up too bad.
Anyway, Xeno says you might be able to help with a little bit of research that's got me stumped. I'd like to be able to determine whether the Japanese Final Fantasy Brigade app has been readied for iOS 8 and above and is 64-bit ready. What numbers I can glean from the write-up are these:
- Minimum iOS: 5.0
- Updated: November 2014
- Thanks for getting back so quick. The information I'm actually looking for is written right within iTunes' description of the app. So, to get it, you basically set your store as the Japanese store, search out the title, and then there will be a link on the app's page from which you can read the version history. Amidst the stuff I cannot read is something about iOS 7. Doesn't seem to be much beyond that. I am going to have to put a splat on the application's listing in our App Store article unless you tell me otherwise. Thank you so much! Swordzmanp236 (talk) 19:42, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
Needed Help[edit source]
Needed help for translating this one.
FFRK Translation??[edit source]
Hey there! Hope you're feeling a lot better now? ^^;
Anywho, trying to figure out what this Soul Break is that Dr. Mog has.
Ah, got it. Probably going to be translated the same way then in English, so I'll just name it similarly to Tyro's Final Fantasy Soul Burst.
Yeah, I saw him. He looks pretty disgusting. @_@; Also huh...I knew they were going to bring that as a standalone game, but wonder how that'll turn out. Wonder if it'll be somewhat like the original FFD or not. Which means I'll probably never get to play it. T-THa...well, at least you're not being consumed by just ONE mobile game like I am right now, eh? FFBE is fun sometimes, but very very frustrating other times. >_<
FFXIV removed abilities[edit source]
Hello! Are you still working on the removed abilities? If you want, I can help in searching for old patch notes. Maybe you could also create a changelog like this? MrAceAttorney (talk) 03:37, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
Should we gives the pics to the 8 Dragons in here?
Dimensions II[edit source]
Do you know if the JP version of the premium has additional signets? From what I can gather, they gave out a free one to the JP players who upgraded to the premium one. More info here here. Kimlasca warrior (talk) 03:02, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah I'm fully aware of the data transfer between the free-to-play to premium release. But nope, only the Warriors of Spacetime was the only summon added in the premium version. Other than that, all the cameo summons were axed from the free-to-play version of the game in the premium release. Hope this info was helpful to you. --Miphares (talk) 03:09, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
Nice work on snagging all of those images, must've taken quite a bit of time to do. ^^ If you can do so, think you can put them on the proper ability pages too (for example, I'm assuming Chaotic Wave would go on Chaos Wave, yes?). Assuming the JP names are the same as before and all that.
No problem lol. Quite a bit of time is a bit of an understatement lol, it actually added almost 14 extra hours to my already 120 hour playthrough of the game. I've actually have gotten all the summon ability images and 840 signet images, but I digress lol. @_@ Anyways yes, Chaotic Wave is indeed Chaos Wave, I've noticed the localization team renamed all the abilities with the name "Chaos" in it to "Chaotic", I guess to sound more grammatically correct. The localization for this game is a bit hit or miss, a lot of attack renaming or sometimes just making flat out mistranslations. --Miphares (talk) 21:40, February 4, 2018 (UTC)
Sounds like quite a few of FF translations, honestly heh. And jeez, 120 hours? That's quite a lot just for a mobile game. @_@;;
RE: Crystal Eye[edit source]
Ey, no worries about how long things take. I've been on here less and less myself, all my time taken up by work + Exvius (3 hours each play session of Exvius, because 2 accounts (main and 2nd that a buddy gave me) + taking care of a buddy's account who doesn't have net atm, and doing it twice a day, so roughly 6 hours a day on Exvius alone). With MAYBE some work on my RPG Maker game (which, btw, is pretty much done! Just have to update some chests and weapons, finish the final boss, and that's that! Aside from bug fixing and the like ^^;).
For each account, it's usually 30 minutes to an hour, longer if there's new story stuff, so yeah, there's a lot of time spent on that cursed game. But Sakura sure is a cutie~ Dohohoho...and Trance Terra continues to be my best forever~I've been working on my game for 11 1/2 years, getting closer to 12. Done in RPG Maker 2k3, believe it or not, enhanced with DynRPG and RPG Maker 2k9 Ultimate. I WAS going to switch to another engine, but at that time I was already halfway done with the game at the time, and redoing everything would've been awful...^^;
Well, can always look up Touhou Fantasy on rpgmaker.net! It is a pretty long game, and I am still ironing it out, so yeah...might also be some bugs here and there since, ya know, 2k3. ^^;;I'm actually debating NOT doing anything else on the wiki too, thinking of just...stopping altogether. But since I'm the only one that really uploads the JP stuff for FFRK (and whatever I get for FFBE in terms of abilities and Limit Bursts), kinda don't leave because of that. Not to mention I'm the ONLY one that gets Mobius and Pictlogica data here...@_@;
Ah yeah, those guys. I have the site where I got all the info for them, but hard to tell what their names really are (I guessed at them and put them in the PFF Enemy page in boss section at the very bottom, where there's the gallery stub and all that).
Oh boy, 2014 version where it probably wasn't nearly as good as it is now. Seriously, the older versions of the game was sooooo bad, and each version before those was always far worse. Now it's pretty solid I think, though there may be TOO MUCH stuff in it, but ya know...trying to avoid putting in anymore than what's there. Still gotta figure out these weapons though, it's hard coming up with something that fits an Arithmetician in 2k3's system that isn't stupidly broken or whatnot...don't know if you'd be willing to try to help on that front? ^^;Fun fact: You don't even need 2k3 to play the game~
FFXIV topics[edit source]
Truly sorry my English grammer isn't the best as it isn't actually my native language. I just don't find the right wording or words at all in one editing session, then re-read it, and lots of things going in the the head so yeah. --Shockwavepulsar (talk) 13:34, January 10, 2019 (UTC)
- Haha, it's no big deal, no need to apologize kiddo. Totally understandable if it isn't your native language. I just felt the need to do a friendly reminder on it. I tend to do it sometimes when I edit. :P --Miphares (talk) 13:39, January 10, 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good, go for it. I haven't been on the Recent Changes page in ages, who knows what is happening at the rest of the wiki! I'll have some catching up to do.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 08:31, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
Boop Boop[edit source]
You got the kanji for those? That'll help more since it's easier to search by those. I can add them that way.
I have a question about your recent edit on that page. By WoD you meant Warriors of Darkness section, right? I have first lorebook too (in English), and I only found mention of Mitron there. Could you tell me where did you find Loghrif?--LeafShinobi (talk) 22:10, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Well, about your most recent edit and its comment, we can't be sure if Loghrif wasn't alive during game as whole -- (s)he isn't credited in the dialogues in the 2.3 scene, but there are more Ascians then. With differences in the flow of time, I guess Mitron and Loghrif could easily be killed between 2.3 and ending of 3.0, and (though I'm not sure if they were killed permanently then) I think Nabriales was the first killed permanently, guessing by Lahabrea's comment in 2.55.--LeafShinobi (talk) 20:39, November 17, 2019 (UTC)
How to news, then?[edit source]
OK I get it. We’re not this thing or that thing or something else we’re not. You could carry ever on with what we are not. If you want to criticize me, then do so to my face rather than shaming me in public, please.
We’re supposed to be a Final Fantasy fan site, true. I consider it a privilege to be a longtime fan of the series. And to that end, it is also a privilege to be able to report on the games within that series. Yes, things did get out of hand with Shinra News, but few others were interested in keeping up. At that time also, there wasn’t all that much release news to go around. I wanted to fill in the gaps with other stuff that might have had a significant impact on how we play. But even this was too much.
With respect to patch news, I do agree that we need to keep better tabs on this stuff elsewhere. But I’m just one out of a crowd, and cannot expect to keep up with everything I play. That’s where other folks can help, I think.
With that said, we could do a better job flagging this kind of thing on Twitter or Facebook or whatever social suits, but when it is structured in such a way that one or two games grab over 90% of the space, it doesn’t seem to mesh with that we are a Final Fantasy fansite; instead, it looks like we’re ONLY interested in FFXIV or Opera Omnia or...you fill in the blank.
The FFVIIIR patch stood out for me not because I own a PlayStation, but because it took three months to get the first one and fix this one little thing that was driving me nuts as a player. I didn’t really know about the other stuff what got packed in until after I read the bullet points. And it seemed to have impacted everyone who has played, unless you can find me a source that says it was *just* a PS4 glitch.
I’ve actually started a discussion on the list of bugs and glitches page. Mobile games are full of these, so I’d like your input as to what goes on when we cover a bug or a glitch that happens in one. They often patch very quickly if one makes enough noise.
- Sorry for the late reply. Look, I apologize if I may have come across as hostile in that summary, and I'm not going to argue whether it was right or not to do so publicly. It was not any form of personal attack on you as much as it may have seemed, it was just more of a reminder on something we've been saying for months at this point. It gets tiring having to write the constant reminders, then it constantly seems to go on deaf ears. :(
- However the point is, a lot of the main staff have even gone on the record to say patch updates are not news worthy. If we do it, it should be for all titles, not just the ones you or some people play, and that is a strenuous and overall pointless task. When I say this, I mean every title with bugs and hotfixes; FFXI, FFXIV, FFVIII Remastered, FFIX PS4, FFVII PS4, etc, etc, etc. It would be a pointless task, and not needed.
- If you feel that we need them recorded in some fashion make the pages for those if you so desire. I personally feel that could be helpful, and then link it in a "See Also" section of in the main template.
- However, this should not be on the news for our wiki in my personal belief, it would just stuff the news template with pointless bug fix news that can be found on their consoles auto-updating/news feed, or with official sources. We've stated before, it is not the wiki's responsibility to do so. We also even repost some of this on the twitter iirc, mainly so the wiki doesn't have to.
- When it comes to stuff that is news worthy I believe the following things would be: game announcements, trailers, interviews, releases. Also even releases on FFXIV main patch dumps (Since they are treated as a new game), same even goes for big DLCs for console games such as FFXV and DFFNT, etc. And before the question arises, mobile games have their own official news sources for their players to follow, and also mobile game updates with new characters and other events happen much more commonly that say a console game. Stuff like bug fixes, a new character in Dissidia OO, a new job in Mobius, the release of Realm Dungeons in FFRK, etc. However, if anything from these titles could be news worthy, at least in my opinion, it would be the announcement of a story season ending and beginning in a mobile title.
- Look, I'm not an official here on the wiki, I just try my best to put in input for them when deciding certain ideas on our policy. This is all I have to say on the matter. --Miphares (talk) 03:01, November 26, 2019 (UTC)
About Vaan's new costume[edit source]
I didn't undo the edit because it was wrong, it was because I want to rephrase that when the official images and data of the costumes come to Dissidia Arcade and Dissidia Sanctuarium this Thrusday, that way I could update the page in one go and add the trivia of Ayumi Namae to the Trivia section of that page. So, in few words, I'm lazy (? -- Eco (talk) 15:15, January 22, 2020 (UTC)
Checking in on the Advisor Program[edit source]
I'm just checking in with those taking part in the advisors project. Hopefully you will have had some time to see how it works, and have some ideas on how it can be improved!
How has it been working out for you and this wiki? We know that few people who sign up actually ask questions, but have you had any good (or bad) experiences with those who have?
Can you think of any areas we could improve on to make this a better system?
And my final question: looking at the project overall, how many stars out out of 5 would you give it (and why)?
Thanks so much for being a part of this experiment. Giving your knowledge and expertise to the next generation of editors is a great thing. Thanks! -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 23:43, January 23, 2020 (UTC)
Shutting down hype[edit source]
OK, so here's why I just added that piece. I was thinking about situations where folks are looking at MMO's, or mobile games, looking at what the Japanese are doing, and saying, "oh my God, they're getting Estinen before us? I'll bet he'll be crazy OP! I want him! I want him! I want him! I'm so pumped!!". That is to say, I'm fine with promoting a character as long as we know he or she is coming. But I don't want to read their story without having spoiler tags around it. I, for one, do not believe in getting folks' hopes up for something, only for there to be a huge letdown. I'd rather not toy with emotions like that. I don't think we're exactly social media, either. We can follow what's going on, track civilized discussions, and so on and so forth. But we have to stick to the facts. And I also don't want to spoil stories for other regions that might be getting it. I'm not sure, but I think we do have wikis in other languages that use us as a source for translation. Of course, I'm using Opera Omnia as an example: two events were released globally a full six months before they got to Japan, where if they have a wiki, their spoiler policy may be different from ours. and let's put it this way — would you really want to know the entire plot of an event before you actually played it out?
That being said, the current Commodore of the Skies event has Aranea seriously overpowered. But her execution speed is extremely slow compared to other units; I personally think they went overboard with the flashy animations, But I'll never put that in my summary of her character if I were to make one. Those who can level her correctly are becoming aware of this, and I've had a few players finish the boss off before I can even get a move in as host. I suppose people are going to do what they're going to do.
- First of all, you can't edit policy unilaterally. If staff don't know something has changed, we're going to make mistakes when trying to properly apply them. Changing policy and hoping we see it is not acceptable. Use the talk page of the policy or a forum to propose it.
- As for the change itself: this change misinterprets both the spoiler policy and how we handle non-English content. If something relevant to scope is not in English, but is available somewhere, it's still in scope, we still cover it. The availability of content also holds absolutely no bearing over if something's a spoiler or not. If discussing it spoils a plot point, it's a spoiler. That's the only condition. Yes, if something is at present Japanese only, it should be noted as such. That does not mean we will or should avoid talking about it.-- Technobliterator TC 22:51, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
- All right, then let me just say this. I think there should be Some kind of safeguard against major spoilage when it comes to these dynamic games. I think we shouldn't be in the business of generating hype. That's what social media is to these games, that's exactly what it does. I would want it to continue to do that, but again, that's not our place here. I didn't see it in writing. I also don't want us to put information in prematurely; because what's to say that six months down the road, they are not going to absolutely nerf their own work? Anyhow, I'm going to quote Final Fantasy VI here: "Fine. Use your own eyes, then decide." We should be writing in such a way as to let players experience the content for themselves. No opinions, just facts. I think our policy on live content should reflect that. It just doesn't right now.,Swordzmanp236 (talk) 23:36, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Okay dude, I get it, you don't like spoilers. I completely understand that. However, Techno is right on both accounts.
- 1: Don't change policy without any involvement of the community, you are not the ruler of the site, so you can't do that without general involvement of most of the staff.
- 2: We are not going to avoid talking about anything because it is in Japanese first. This is no different than the older days when the games came out in Japan first, and then we would need to wait a few months until it comes out in the West. We are a wiki encyclopedia ran by a community of people, not a single person blog. You really need to stop this. We give information to the community through our site, and do not need to censor or withhold any information for those who are willing to add it. We even have a template for stuff such as spoilers and pages that contain information not out in English yet. None of this is building up hype, we are providing INFORMATION in general. So knock it off.
I apologize for getting extremely volatile, but seriously, you are free to bring discussion up and if it makes sense, then yeah people will hear you out. However, what you're doing right now is extremely opinion based and promoting withholding information; the latter of which is something that grinds my gears. --Miphares (talk) 00:06, February 20, 2020 (UTC)
About XIV's ommega weapon[edit source]
Oh come on now, you know as well as I that it's made to resemble a weapon from past games, it's not simply a "centaur-like monster". You want me to get oddly specific for readers who won't actually really want or need the info or even fits the article? Then sure let's clarify that.--Malvodion (talk) 17:37, February 20, 2020 (UTC)
I have seen the Omega, and while there are possible influences there are no concrete statements currently that makes this a fact. This is speculation in that regard, and we don't want to spread any possible misinformation. Omega is generally a separate being when compared to the Omega Weapon creature, and in this case lore-wise for FFXIV they are indeed separate when compared to the Allagan weapons. The only place that would serve the validate such claims are the FINAL FANTASY XIV: STORMBLOOD | ART OF THE REVOLUTION - EASTERN MEMORIES - or the upcoming 5.0 artbook. However, until then we should stay clear of trying to say that Omega is a Weapon creature/machine, because he isn't lore wise or bestiary wise. --Miphares (talk) 19:36, February 20, 2020 (UTC)
Say, would you happen to be interested in working on the FFVIIR translations? I got a site here that could help:
I can take a gander at all that, I've been using that whenever retrieving info from the Japanese side. Aside from the whole "JENOVA Birth" mistake on there at early launch, most of the information on that wiki is accurate and uses sources in-game and book wise for it. --Miphares (talk) 12:51, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
An all-too-familiar pattern[edit source]
What I am about to present here is strictly theory, but please, hear me out.
It seems rather unfortunate that Square Enix and its partners have shut down two mobile MMOs back-to-back as they have, but they have. And they are but two in a very long list I've tracked since 2018. The way in which the VP spinoff closed, I've seen twice before:
- King's Knight peaked at around 800k unique installs before abruptly sunsetting in March of '18. This marked my first observations of the "server difficulty" rationale. Not saying whether the same line was used to justify prior closures, but it was the first time I'd actually seen it used. But firsthand, it was a decent, albeit boring game with a gacha that was tough to navigate along with having poor drop rates. Not even two decent collabs could salvage it. The multiplayer was picky until FFXV dropped in on it. And when they turned the collab off, it went right back to being almost completely unworkable.
- And then there was Star Ocean. Decent game, great flow, great graphics, but the gacha was again forked and the pricing was crazy. It closed exactly like Valkyrie in that it took them a year to figure out the game wasn't doing well. Until they made their announcement around this time last year, there was literally no activity on social media. Not a peep. Then the bomb drops, and suddenly about 1 million players are left in the lurch. They even botched the closure when the internal clock went off a day early. For Japanese players, though, the game continues into a third season. Thus far, I haven't seen anything indicating it should end service.
Given those two experiences, and a bunch of others we've tracked right here on this wiki, Square Enix seems to follow a script when it manages a mobile MMO:
- First, pick an obscure franchise that fans might be clamoring for.
- Throw together a mobile game and host it yourself.
- Leave the premise dull and flat.
- Don't promote it.
- Add a drive-ya-nuts gacha with insane pricing for very little gain.
- Bleed money so badly that the higher-ups have little recourse but to close.
- And last but not least, throw your loyal players under the bus when you have to shut down.
And somewhere between steps six and seven, players usually get 90 days to finish things up. That didn't happen with VP (<60 days). For the record, I hadn't sunk a dime into that game. I don't think it's our job to pick up the slack (promote a game) when it's a mess. It just screams bad management; and were it me, I'd have teams all taken out to the woodshed and fired at worst. It also wouldn't hurt for them to tell the truth every once in a while, rather than hiding behind a cookie-cutter excuse.