Archive 2.4.2010-3.7.2011

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Alright. I can see why you don't like Final Fantasy VI, but you only mentioned the characters, how did you see Kefka, then? (Also), your favourite game is FFXII, right? So were the characters not "tragic"? SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 17:08, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

VvAnarchangelvV 23:39, July 16, 2011 (UTC) Thx u for implementing those changes on Junon

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I've already asked Drake this but I just wanted to ask you to if that's OK. I've found out how to do a text box but something is wrong with my coding. Can you check it out and see what is wrong. Click on this to see the template page.

Thanks a lot.

Coolawits 13:23, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

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Heeey, Hello Keltainentoukokuu!

What's new with you! :-) Haven't talked in a while! I hope you're all right! I wrote, because I need help, huge huge help! Nooo, it's not about the wiki editing this time. :-) I've got a kind of... Game problem... You know, I just started playing through the NES version of FFIII on my Computer, and I decided to train my warriors, until I reach level 100, so I'll might become, the real, undefeatable Onionkid! Training is ok for me, but I figured out, for perfect Onion Knights, Onion equipment is essential... So, It's not enough, that I'll have to train for so long, I will also need these stuffs, to make them perfect... But this equipment is extremely hard to get... Seriously, the only true way to get them, is dropping through fights against certain dragons... Ok... but I'm still pretty far from the Crystal tower, so at this point, I decided to cheat... Yeahhh... shame on me, but I really need that equipment, and I need it NOOOW! Thanks to god, (And to a GLITCH too :-D ) there is a way to get them. I followed all steps in item upgrading, and as it said, It might not work for the first time, so I kept trying, and voila, it worked! Yeah, it worked... but not as I imagined it... I got 99 Kaiser claws.... pretty cool, huh?? :-/ I followed the gameFAQ what was on the FEOKS page of this wiki, and no matter what I try, I can't get those stuffs... Ohhh, Please, Help Me! I thought a PRO like you, could help about anything :-)! Ok, I'm looking forward to your reply! :-) Be Good! --Lonely Wild Rose.jpg Rose 14:04, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!

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Thank you from Best-of Stellar Arena!

This shining platinum text is to reward Keltainentoukokuu for voting all three allowed times in all four of the fights of my first tournament!
Thank you, Keltainentoukokuu! Your efforts are appreciated! Take my first ever platinum award!
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Also, you finally archived! :P Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon.png BSA 04:41, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you from Best-of Stellar Arena!

This shining steel blue text is to reward Keltainentoukokuu for voting both allowed times in both of the fights of my first tournament's second round!
Thank you, Keltainentoukokuu! Take my blue steel award!
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You're on your way to my final award! Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon.png BSA 16:30, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

By the way, there's an update to the platinum award now if you'll go to the BSA section on my page. It's an optional replacement, though, since the originals I gave out are kind of like Pokémon mistake cards, off the standard. ;) Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon.png BSA 17:32, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for going the full mile! Here's to you, Kelt! ;)

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Thank you from Best-of Stellar Arena!

This shining navy text is to reward Keltainentoukokuu for voting the maximum number of times in every last fight of my first tournament!
I don't know how to thank you! Take my stardust award!
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Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon.png BSA 15:02, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

A request, if you would

Hi. So, I was wondering if you had time to come onto the IRC, because I have a link to give to you. If you can't, I understand, and I'll just wait another week-or-so before asking again. A.J. two (Smashboards) 19:39, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I date and place . . . In advance? I can't guarantee that I'll be on at any time on any particular day, so I can't really give you advance notice. No matter how far ahead it may be. So, I can only ask you at the time that I'm writing these messages. So . . . do you have time right now? The things within the link shouldn't take up a lot of your time, but if you don't want to, or can't because of other reasons, I still am understanding. A.J. two (Smashboards) 01:45, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
I was playing Mafia and didn't see your reply. I'm still on if you're still able to get on. The thing is, I'm on there irratically, and I don't know from day-to-day whether or not I'll be on. So, I can't really give you a date in advance because I can't guarantee I'll be on then. If you can now, though, I was still waiting. A.J. two (Smashboards) 05:28, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
I'm on the IRC and you're on the wiki right now, so I'm not sure if there's anything (other then my multi-tasking that's keeping me, shockingly, only half-interested in the IRC) that would stop either of us from getting together right now. I can't speak for you, though, and if there is, I understand. A.J. two (Smashboards) 17:33, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

You Brokededed The Quotes

Do you wanna close those tags, or shall I? :) Doreiku Kuroofangu 09:40, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Kelt, you have to stop the Q-tip when you feel resistance! Doreiku Kuroofangu 14:35, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


Hyyy Keltainentoukokuu!

It's me, The Lonely Rose! :-$ I think, I made a mistake, and need the help of a pro user like you, to help me erase it! Well, I'm working on a project, and I thought I need to make a new user page for it, but actually, as one of the users said, I must not create a new account, rather create a sub page... actually, I didn't know about Sub pages, but Bluestarultor will help me make one soon. He also advised me to talk with one of the main editors of this wiki to help me remove this account, but I only know you! Please, I really did not mean to cause any trouble, I just didn't know how things work with subpages, and I mistook a subpage to a new account! Please, help me remove this one, and once again, I'm really sorry Keltainentoukokuu! :'-( I hope you wont bann me out of this wiki, because it's the greatest place on the internet! Anyways, is everything all right with you? Haven't talked in a while! I was busy, since I started working, and I am through a very tiring period of my life, but hope, everything is ok! :-) Be Good! --GeOmAnCeRs TeNt 12:06, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Thaaaaank Yooouuuuu :-$

HYYYYYYY Keltainentoukokuu! Thank you for helping me out once again! :'-$ You are absolutely one of the kindest users on this wiki (If not in the world!) Of course, in return, ask me anything-anytime, and if I can help, I will, as soon as possible! Thank you again! I'm gonna return with new infos about my project! Please, visit me sometimes! :-) Be good! :-) --Lonely Wild Rose.jpg Rose 17:16, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

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Hope that works. --MConor 17:35, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

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Edit warring

Okay, I'm going to head this off before it really gets off the ground: It doesn't matter who "started it", if there is a disagreement over anything, move the discussion instantly over to the talk pages, rather than edit warring. So please; before reverting any reverts, make sure you're both on the same page, and please place an explanation after EVERY revert (vandalism is a bit of an exception, but let's not touch on that)Likeacupcake 12:13, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Quick Question


Pronouncing names

Since Square doesn't always release the official ones, can fan ones be added under trivia? AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 21:01, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Permission to add this trivia. I have checked and it is pretty accurate: VIII and IX are the only games with no remake or sequel. Permission granted? AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 01:36, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
So I can add that now? AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 01:50, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I looked it up and found that yes women do have groins. But most people associate it with "testicles". Upper thighs works a little better, yes? I figured they censored her actual parts after reading what was changed. AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 18:55, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Nice Job~


Thank You!

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(I post it here to not to enlarge your talkpage.) Thanks for the comment. Actually, I really like XIII-2 even though it's not out yet. Still, there's so much to add... Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 19:04, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


Fair warning because I think you joined after ILHI "left" the Wiki - you will not win. The more you argue with him the longer the Walls of Text become. I agree with you, but let it go. EDIT - Also not sure if you saw but I commented on one of your essay pages. Your opinions are quite insightful and well-thought out in them. Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:39, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Drake, that's an illusion. The walls only get longer because there's a bigger indentation. The more each thing is indented, the taller the wall is, but also the thinner. 22:47, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
We should not antagonise him, and there are no winners in these things, but one person can't bulldoze something through if enough people disagree.
Thanks for comments, I love comments, I must check it right away and I should write more essays! :DKeltainentoukokuu 01:17, September 13, 2011 (UTC)






Featured Image

Unofficially it's your image this week, especially going by the caption and Fae's comments about your userpage earlier. :p Doreiku Kuroofangu 12:55, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

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I would agree with Henryacores - Audacity rocks!! (even if my singing doesn't sound any better with it - even if UltimateAnnihilation would disagree being the wonderful lying friend he is there goes my singing career...)

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GEEZUS! That is the best real-life relationship story I've ever seen. 12:48, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah imagine my disappointment when I first met him face to face and turns out he's not actually the real Zell Dincht...... ;)Keltainentoukokuu 16:28, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Awww what an awesome love story! To think the power of Final Fantasy can bring people together and can make new lives! :O - OMFG!! I'm 15! Maybe i'll find the love of my life on this wiki! If my life turns out like yours that'll be so awesome! And now with those new chat up lines - i'm bound 2!! OK galz - i am now officially on the hunt! Thanks a lot Kelt for giving me life advice! CYA xx :)

Dissidia 012 Chaos.pngCoolawitsDissidia 012 Cosmos.png 18:30, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hey if everyone took life advice from me the world would be a much pleasanter place. ;) (or not)Keltainentoukokuu 18:55, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

I never have schoolwork XD AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 02:15, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Page Idea!

I'd like to make a page specifically for the Dissidia conflict in the format used for the Wutai war if that's ok... It's kind of a weird concept. AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 02:24, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Etymology before Gallery

Just poking in my head 'cause I'm curious as to why. - +DeadlySlashSword+

I thought that's the correct way for it. I have to say I just used Lightning's article as a template for the correct section order, somehow I figured it would be up to the manual of style...Keltainentoukokuu 19:48, October 22, 2011 (UTC)
I also doublechecked the MoS before asking you, but yeah, it's not there. It's always been etymology after gallery, though. As for using Lightning's page as the correct template...bleh, her page was inconsistent from the rest (not going to say incorrect because again, not in the MoS), so it just made me wonder why you though that majority of pages were inconsistent as opposed to just one. Ah well, not a big deal. Just remember, popularity doesn't equal perfection! *_^ - +DeadlySlashSword+ 21:28, October 22, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it should be put in the Manual of Style? Ultimecia and Adel I looked at after reading your message also have etymology section before the gallery, although I don't remember was it me who put them there. It doesn't matter so much what the order is, but that it would be the same in every article.Keltainentoukokuu 23:40, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


Eh...still someone's gotta do them..and thanks! LegendAqua  (Talk/ Colosseum/ QFC) 06:42, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

FEC Award

FEC Bronze Award
This is to certify that Keltainentoukokuu has voted
in at least 10 fights in the Flan's Elbow Colosseum

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YouTube videos

You said about using the HEX colours for YouTube videos? I'd assume the video used on Belias is the style the wiki, and you, currently use.

<div class="FFXIIa" style="width:320px;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;float:right;text-align:center;font-weight:bold">
<youtube width="320" height="240">U2r6lHRAxjw</youtube>

^That's how you should use the classes in YouTube videos. I also managed to refine the code by removing redundant classes and moving things into the first div, but all you really need to know is we should remove the "background:#XXXXXX" and the font color around the title if applicable, and add the game's a class. 12:49, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Nice, thanks for this! <3 You are amazing.Keltainentoukokuu 16:06, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

hello and HELP!!!

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Just remembered!

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How do I...

Hey Keltainentoukuu (Your name is really long...) How do I make pages like you did? On your I making any sense? lol ~ TheMoonclaw 06:03, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks. I happen to have a page I wanted to create. :) ~ TheMoonclaw 19:57, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, please don't copy-and-paste liner notes without credit and formal permission. These were carefully translated and deserve to be treated with respect. Thank you.

Hello, I am very sorry for any trouble this may have caused you. I was struggling with trying to decide how to credit them, as the normal reference tags don't work so well with large bodies of text. I ended up just putting a link to where I'd got it into the code, but it is indeed invisible to a general viewer. As for formal permission, I was under impression the copyright of these works lies with Square Enix. Only one source I used had permission from SE to publish the liner notes, but I basically thought they're not too bothered about this stuff.
As anyone can edit the wiki, you can remove any content here you find inappropriately used, or edit it to a more suitable form. (Write in the edit summary why you remove it and maybe refer to my talk page "for more info".) If you tell me which ones you want changed I can also do it for you, if it's less hassle that way. :) Thank you for letting me know there is a problem.Keltainentoukokuu 17:35, October 31, 2011 (UTC)




Just curious, ever check out the Wiki's channel? Doreiku Kuroofangu 10:53, November 8, 2011 (UTC)


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Thanks for specifics.

Kiitokset noista Seiferin Limit Breakien alkuperäisistä japanilaisista nimistä, olenkin aina miettinyt mistä voisin ne saada selville, kenties Ultimanioista tms. Etenkin Demon Slicen alkuperäisnimi, Oni Giri nostatti hymyn huulilleni. :) Dramirth 12.:20, 12 November 2011 (GMT+2)

Final Fantasy VIII/Translations Kopsasin taalta vaan, eli niissa voi olla virheita. Muillakin peleilla pitais olla samanlaiset sivut jos haluut jotain tsekkaa!Keltainentoukokuu 16:30, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Alternate CASE redirects

I've been noticing you've been making redirects to articles with the same letters but a different case, and also two redirects with the same letters, different case, that go to the same place.

As far as I am aware, Wikia's software means that regardless of the CASE you use when using search, you will be directed to the page. So when I type in "Phoenix down", I still get taken to the Phoenix Down article. So what's the reason for making alternate CASE redirects? 21:09, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I thought they are all case-sensitive because stuff like [[random encounter]]s would be a red link until I made "Random encounter" a redirect. But I will stop doing that if that's wrong.Keltainentoukokuu 21:14, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
It is true that linking is case sensitive (bar the first letter). But the search function works differently. The way our viewerbase navigate is via search, and via links on the wiki. Since the wiki asks its users not to link to redirects, people linking to "random encounters" should never happen in the first place. If we do leave a redirect called "Random encounters", then anyone that links to it will not necessarily know they are linking to a redirect, whereas if it were not a redirect, then the red link would make it more obvious that it is not the title of the desired article. ;) 21:19, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
Got it, thanks <3.Keltainentoukokuu 21:24, November 18, 2011 (UTC)


HI KELT! Long time no talk!

About this guy Supertheo - isn't my suggestion fine? If him, his dad and his mum use his account then that means that it's only an under 13 but also 2 over 13s on the account.

P.S. I do acc know him (he is my best friend's brother - and my best friend is acc on this wiki (which "Theo" (hence "Supertheo") does know about - just doesn't know his username) and so I can talk to him and explain things if u want.

P.P.S. I will understand if u say no - but I'm just thinking, isn't my suggestion OK?

Reply back!

Dissidia 012 Chaos.pngCoolawitsDissidia 012 Cosmos.png 12:51, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'm butting in as usual, but to my understanding account sharing is also frowned upon. Though we're not Wikipedia, we base most of our policies on theirs.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 13:20, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
"If you choose to register for membership, in consideration of your use of the Site, you agree to maintain the security of your password and identification and to be fully responsible for all use of your account and for any actions that take place using your account."
It doesn't explicitly forbid account sharing, but it's implicit. If you share an account, it's impossible for you to exercise full responsibility over all use of it, because other people are using it. It also means that the account isn't technically secure, as more than one person is able to access it.
At any rate, even if account sharing were permitted, the Terms explicitly state that all users must be at least thirteen. There is no room for "it's okay if they share with an over-thirteen". Under thirteen equals not allowed, period -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 14:17, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
I think Sorceror Nobody is right. The COPPA law thing there says that Wikia would need to collect written permission from his parents that they allow him to use the site, but because this is obviously very arduous most sites just outright prohibit under-thirteens. It's not just about joining either, but the whole use of site, but monitoring anons is of course rather impossible. Things like the advertising on the front page may be technically unsuitable for young audiences.Keltainentoukokuu 18:12, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't Sector 6 be called Green Park since that's it's original name?

Sector 6 is called Sector 6 in FFVII, quite obviously so. It is also called Sector 6 in the Japanese version. The park where Aeris and Cloud stop to sit atop the moogle slide has a Japanese sign that says the park is called Green Park, but this area is not named in the English version and has no official English name.Keltainentoukokuu 03:23, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Is it okay if I make a Page about, The Carriage Rider that brought Tifa into Sector 6?

IMHO you shouldn't; if that happens we'll have pages about every NPC in existance before long. Look at the Harry Potter Wiki if you want to know what happens when that happens. Template:Catuse167/sig03:53, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
I think the carriage is included in the Final Fantasy VII Transportation page. If you see anything that needs adding to it go ahead. :)Keltainentoukokuu 04:00, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Happy birthday

Happy birth, Kelt! Template:Catuse167/sig04:30, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ditto that. My customary gift is fanart, any requests? :) Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:43, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Oh wow for me, how delightful and unexpected! My number one requests are all obscene and inappropriate, but for second best I do like them all cute cuddly things like moogles and Cait Sith and this thing (hahaa look at those guys wandering around, who has the heart to attack them...).Keltainentoukokuu 05:19, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
As you wish :) Doreiku Kuroofangu 12:44, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Well, Kelt, you'll like my new signature, then.Template:Catuse167/sig06:36, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Belated happy birthday, Kelt! -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 11:21, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, what he said <_< Jimcloud 11:29, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ditto the above ^.^  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 11:45, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
I wish you the same. Happy birthday Kelt! ScatheMote 14:05, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
Indeed, happy birthday Kelt! 17:00, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hey thanks so much everyone. <3 Awesome pictures Drake! You're all so very kind, I really appreciate it. <3Keltainentoukokuu 17:41, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Happy (slightly belated) B-day! One year older! I would give you my friendship award - but i already have lol! Hope you had a great day! lots of <3 Dissidia 012 Chaos.pngCoolawitsDissidia 012 Cosmos.png 17:55, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I know I don't know you that well, but Happy bday Kelt!  Ultimate Dark Bahamut.pngAnnihilation  18:06, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!!... I guess, everyone else is doing it so :D. But just to be clear, you don't want pages about useless NPCs?

If the NPC has a name and there is something that can be said about them, then they can have an article. Like see Instructor Aki or Shinra Manager. Keltainentoukokuu 18:51, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
If their role in the story can't be summarised in three sentences, then they should only be mentioned on the List of Characters page and do not need their own article.
Also I'd usually refrain from wishing someone a happy birthday a day after it happens, but since I'm heres, HAPPYBDAY4YDAYKELT!!!!<3<3<3 19:57, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
More hearts spread the love.<3<3<3<3Keltainentoukokuu 20:07, November 27, 2011 (UTC)



Re: Shadow of the Colossus

Good to hear you enjoyed the two games! I haven't play Ico, still in the stage where I just released Yorda from her cage. When I got the PS3 game, I straight away played Colossus. I'm not surprised that you clocked in such a time, because I think the developers had amped the hardness a bit, even on normal play. I remember clocking short kill times on those things on the PS2 version, but these guys are somehow tougher - like their AI's heightened or something. I'm excited to wait for the spiritual successor to these two games to come out soon! Which Colossus was the hardest for you? And which colossus do you love the most? BLUER一番 04:30, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

They were all pretty much straightforward until Colossus 4. I think the hardest for me was the last one because the grip meter doesn't seem to agree with me most of the time XD, and getting to him was a challenge on its own, with his penchant for a trigger happy bolt of lightning raining down on me. My favorite though were the flying ones - I love the 5th and 14th because of how majestic they were in the sky.
The music too really clicked with the overall atmosphere of the game. If you get the soundtrack you'll find amazing tracks that weren't in the game that I thought would have made the experience, if not enjoyable already, much much more amazing. BLUER一番 06:33, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Heights of characters

I'm confused. For example, on Tifa's page, 167cm or 5'4" is her height. Yet 167cm is ~5'6". So did Square Enix do the math wrong, then? Template:Catuse167/sig20:20, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Square Enix has converted all the heights of all the characters in FFVII and FFVIII wrong. The "wrong" heights are official though, because they are listed in the game manuals and in the official websites. You could think of it that the characters have a different height depending on localization, kinda like how Penelo is 16 in the Japanese manual of FFXII, but is 17 in the international version... Anyway, we can't have a height with a reference listed if the reference is different than what it says here, then it's not really referenced at all is it.Keltainentoukokuu 20:26, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, just like all the "errors" on the Harry Potter Wiki that resulted from JK Rowling's inability to multiply 20 by 7.Template:Catuse167/sig20:46, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
There is a bit in Squall's trivia that explains the height difference. I've been thinking it should be more obviously explained, but can't think of a good way. Maybe in the appearance and personality section? That still doesn't solve it that the infobox info looks wrong. You could put an asterisk there in the infobox but then what would you write in it...Keltainentoukokuu 20:56, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
How about "either 5' 8"<ref></ref> or 177 cm<ref>Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania, p. 12</ref> <!--DO NOT CHANGE HEIGHTS WITHOUT PROOF. Always cite your reference(s), and ignore the fact that Square Enix erred in math-->"? Or something along those lines.Template:Catuse167/sig23:57, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
It's still not completely clear and might just become another thing people keep editing, to make the other characters' heights from other games to match the same template. I think it's still clearer than the current one.Keltainentoukokuu 00:19, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll have to give this some thought.Template:Catuse167/sig00:25, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Dissidia Character Articles

Shouldn't the characters who only appear in 012 have 012 in their article names? AmbieSushi 20:32, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

The "Dissidia" subpage name references to the Dissidia series (both games). It's just easier if it's shorter I guess.Keltainentoukokuu 20:41, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

List of FFIX Characters Page

Hello, just wondering if you know anything about where to find info on minor characters in the game (in towns, etc.). I'm planning on grinding through the game again on my PS3 if I have to! Thanks. ▫ Sir ISStalk 17:53, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, when I tried to get back to you, I was erroneously taken to the Elder Scrolls wiki (!) because I didn't wait for the page to completely load and clicked on the wrong thing. Anyway, if I could just direct you to this page for a moment, you'll see what I mean. I didn't plan on this, but seeing so much of the page blank bothers me. I've worked on it a little so far. ▫ Sir ISStalk 18:01, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for not being more clear. I don't know if any characters are missing, but I definitely would like to add information to the ones that are present. Do you know of any comprehensive list on the internet? I realize you have the same resources as me, but I figured I'd toss it out there. Thanks. ▫ Sir ISStalk 18:22, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Youtube. Okay, thanks again. ▫ Sir ISStalk 18:30, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

FF8 Character Images

I don't mean to stop you when you're neck deep in your work, but is the character images category really the best place for all of those screenshots? Only a few of them highlight a single character specifically. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:34, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

I know it's not the best. I'm going mainly by the filename. If it's ScreenshotQuistis.jpg and it's Quistis going bla bla bla then I guess it's a character picture. Jim is right though, you can't see all the subcategories if the general category is too cluttered. I'm putting them out of sight for now, if someone has a better category for them let's do that one instead.Keltainentoukokuu 05:40, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Since we already have a general screenshots category I think we could take that one step further and do a screenshot category for each game. It'd be a ton of work, I know, but it's better then keeping them all in the massive general category. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:50, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Isn't EVERYTHING a screenshot though (besides artwork and official wallpapers and stuff). It's the kind of thing though always...the categories are gonna have to be a bit loose. One thing I never got that why are not CG artworks artwork fitting for artwork images category? Why is only drawn images (or looks like drawn images, probably they are all colored with a computer?) artwork? I put some CG artwork in the artwork galleries one time they were all taken away... haa judging by this though it probably shouldn't be me categorising them then because clearly don't really get this system, but then it's the kind of awful job no one wants to do, and I don't mind going clickclickclickclickclickclick... it's like you have a job, only you don't get paid! ;) The character images doesn't have to be the final resting place, I just wanted to file them away somewhere. Some better system would be...better.Keltainentoukokuu 05:58, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I must go now, but if there is some great plan for making sense of the image categories I don't mind helping.Keltainentoukokuu 06:04, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Most things aren't screenshots. A lot of things are ripped from the game. Models, backgrounds... then we have artwork and TT cards.
There should be a cat for FMV/cutscenes. If it were me, I'd have a Location Images cat for field location backgrounds, and a World Map Images for anything on the WM.
Character Images should focus on the character. So an FMV screen with primary focus on a single character serving the purpose in the article to have an image of the character in an FMV. And artwork of just them, and their models. Screenshots including them does not count.
You could have a Field Screenshots category. Or a Dialogue category. Or whatever.
Also make of use sub-categorising. I just cat-ed most of them into Battle Images. 15:52, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
The way that the screenshot license template thing is phrased, it sounds like images from books are also "screenshots" (so basically all concept art images are also screenshots)? Also, it seems it is frowned upon that images would have more than one category, so all artwork images are only in artwork category even if they depict characters, enemies, summons, weapons and locations. Field Screenshots and Cutscene Screenshots sound like good catecory names, but also they would overlap with other location images and "pictures of trains" Vehicle Images category. And Dialogue category name would just be technically wrong (monologue = one person talking, duologue = two people, dialogue = three or more people)...but then does that matter so much, it's colloquially used for any speech.Keltainentoukokuu 16:57, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Why would having two categories be a problem? I mean, an artwork of a character would be a Character and Artwork image. If there was enough character artworks, we could make a category called "Character Artwork Images", and categorise that into the Character images and Artwork images category.
But since the overlap doesn't occur that much there is no need to make its own category, therefore all images that have that overlap should be categorised into both.
It being frowned upon is news to me. 18:22, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
It is to me as well, but that's not to say it would work out just fine, either. We don't have an official policy on it, but I think having more than one category per image would make categorization and overall organization of images just that much more confusing. I also don't think we need to categorize images by what's in them, at least in reference to screenshots, but rather by just what they are. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:34, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
How would it be confusing? If I want to find an artwork of Squall, I would go to FFVIII Images. Then I can either go to Artwork Images, or Character Images. Both have an equal right to have the image. One way I don't find the image, the other I do. I might go back and look in the other category, but from the perspective of a user, they might not just find it in the place they'd expect it, and give up.
Furthermore, as I said, enough character artwork, and we make a category for character artwork, which itself would be a sub of both. So what you're saying is we should categorise it one way, unless there's enough similar images, when the image will be a sub of both? 18:54, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I was once specifically asked to go through the image categories, and recategorise images (because they were (and are still) a mess) and to make sure that images are not in more than one category at once. So I thus spent some time trying to decide what is the best place to put all the images, like is a Yunalesca render a FFX Boss Image or a Character Image. (FFX is the only game that has a boss images category...go figure.) Now before you say "well thanks a lot for making it all worse", well, I did invent a number of new categories like the menu images and game product images for ones that didn't have them and stuff. But...well maybe I'm just not very good at this because.......why are cg artwork images not fitting for "artwork images" category! How is this not an artwork image? What is it then, a photograph? a screenshot? Are the screenshots of Occult Fan magazines Item Images? If not, why not? They are items! I was thinking I'll make FFVIII Magazine Images category, but then is there point if it's only six images, and do any Girl Next Door related images count as magazine images.
SO in the end I just slapped images wherever I thought they best go. When you have a thousand and thousand images you will go nuts if you start thinking individually on every image. And yes I have filed pictures with characters to character images, it's not just for FFVIII, so this is now wrong for a number of games.Keltainentoukokuu 19:43, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
If you can't group things into a substantial category then they just don't need a category. The magazines could technically be considered menu images, but I wouldn't categorise them there because people wouldn't expect them to be there.
A boss (and the same applies with an enemy) image is an image of it in battle, in its battle stance. If that boss appears on the field, it becomes a character. And then we'll have to create multiple categories to distinguish between NPCs and playable characters.
All our categories lack consistency and clean-ness. I planned a massive overhaul but never did it due to lack of powers and motivation because of the added effort.
Wouldn't that image of Squall count as a render? Idk.
As a sort of general rule, most things should be in two categories. One for the subject, and one for the medium. If the subject isn't so obvious (i.e: artwork of multiple things, screenshot of something obscure) then it only needs the medium. I just remembered that {{Screenshot}} has an optional parameter. For all screenshots anywhere within the VIII Images category system, the notation should be {{Screenshot|Final Fantasy VIII}}.
I might try and perfect VIII's category system later, and link everything in the correct way. As far as I'm concerned, the categories you created were fine. 20:04, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
What could be done maybe is write to the category page some instructions that please put these and these and these kinds of images into this category, just to make it more transparent.Keltainentoukokuu 02:16, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

FFXIII concept art book ?

Hello to true FF veteran :)

Thanks for uploading amazing FFXIII concept art!

Extraordinary game.

Extraoridinary artwork.

Where did you get those images from? Was an official FFXIII artbook with concept art released?

I've been searching for such book for sooo long. But the ones I found focused only on cg and 3D rendered art, which is great of course , but still the pure concept art is even better!

Night and day,I dream of FF book filled with those wonderful concepts. So please could you tell me if such book has been published?


I think the book you are looking for is the Final Fantasy XIII Ultimania Omega. :) It is a Japan only publication, but should not be too difficult to find for order online.Keltainentoukokuu 01:48, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

That's definitely what I was looking for. Thanks! :> I'll get that one imported!



I've changed up a couple of the 4HoL you made, Claustrum and Darkness Blade have other appearances so Claustrum is a disabig and Darkness Blade redirects to Dark Sword, and Flame Shield, Flame Dagger and Flame Spear redirect to Flame Equipment. Off the top of my head none of the other redirects ring a bell as appearing in other games, unless we wanna go like Shining Staff = Light Staff or Wind Foil = Kazekiri, so just letting you know about these. Doreiku Kuroofangu 18:59, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing them. <3 It's too bad the search function is such a piece of shit. I try to do a search to see if it occurs elsewhere, but usually you just get something totally unrelated back or just "didn't find anything, use advance search?" thing. Unggghhhh.Keltainentoukokuu 19:17, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I tried that with a couple of the others that sound like they could be in other games and got the same. Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:25, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
I think I'm gonna try and do a Google search on the wiki from now on. See if it works better.Keltainentoukokuu 19:33, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
Search used to very good once. It actually used to search WikiSyntax and always return results perfectly. But then they made it suck, only search in the content... and now it rarely even works at all.
Although I'm of the opinion that I'll just make a redirect, and if I ever find something else with the same name, I'll just turn it into a disambig. Cba with search anymore. 19:34, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

S'cuse me

Did i read correctly? You're a 27 year old housewife who likes final fantasy, and in particular final fantasy VIII?

You're awesome and i love you :) Annoying Ninja

Ehh....thanks? XD I love you too <3 but I think the current policy is that your sig should be your actual username. If you want your username changed Wikia can do that for you!Keltainentoukokuu 15:17, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Really? I've never been told off about it before, and i have seen other people do it, but i will take your word for it (i havn't read the current policy on it, so i cannot say anything) Yuffie2211

Yeah, if it's a "borderline case" (similar enough) nobody really bothers notifying the user of it, so you see some variation across the board. It's just to make people more recognisable and avoid confusion.Keltainentoukokuu 15:53, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Archive Box

HI KELT!!!!! (We need to chat A LOT more!)

So how are you?! Don't worry you can write an essay! (I love yours! (speaking of which - gosh they are hard to write! I am stuck after like 200 words on my Vanille one!)) But if you don't want to waste time then can you please just look at this...

*pause for massive breath*


*gulp DISSIDIA FINAL FANTASY POTION FFVIII EDT. (of course I'm lying - I don't have a potion! I have elixirs...)*

SORRY! I am just so mad! Well... OK, not really. Just help me out if you can please. I'll be trying stuff anyway so yeah.

Speak Soon! :)

Bye <3

Dissidia 012 Chaos.pngCoolawitsDissidia 012 Cosmos.png 18:52, December 20, 2011 (UTC)


HI KELT! Well, done some re organizing with my box and think it looks a bit better now! Anyway, about Christmas... I know right! It is so close! Gosh, I am so psyched about it too. Being 15, I'm not massively responsible for organizing dinner and the lark :P but nonetheless, I am working on some pressies for people. For example when I recently went round to Ultimate Annihilation's house, I dropped him a pack of chocolates (Terry's All Gold was £2 in ASDA) and a christmas card from NEXT and his bro (aka Supertheo (btw - I did talk to him and made him realise that he couldn't actually be on the wiki. He eventually accepted and then told me (but UltimateAnnihilation had already told me ages ago) that the only reason why he was actually on was because he wanted to become one of SN's L'Cies and knowing both me and his bro had become 2 he wanted to as well.)), I got him a print off of Lightning and a L'Cie Brand (to compensate for the fact he wanted to be a L'Cie as mentioned earlier) as well as a card and he was happy. So yeah - so far I'm having a great run up. Although tbh, there are 4 reasons why I like Christmas:

  2. YOU GET GIFTS! (sometimes...)
  3. YOU GET TO BE WITH FAMILY! (good and bad)

And an explanation...

  1. Believe me - I go to a grammar school. And it is like always in the top 10 of the skl league tables of this country and like the amount of work they give you is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Seriously the man who has to decide whether or not to launch a nuke attack on Russia in America is probably under less stress than I am under EVERY DAY! Ask my friend! A holiday is such a relief. Although we still get work during them... but not as much as usual!
  2. GIFTS! Who doesn't like gifts! Saying that I don't usually get many as my parents are real cheapskates! Typical Indian family living here, (even if I have lived all my life in England and consider myself COMPLETELY British) but when I do get presents (e.g. this year when I FINALLY GOT A PS3!!!) they rock!
  3. Family. Well - most of the time I love them. But then sometimes wee little 1 yr old and 4 yr old nephews can drive you up the wall with their constant nagging. And of course while you are talking to them you can't play Final Fantasy or be on this wiki!
  4. Christmas TV is in my opinion, FRIGGIN AWESOME! BBC 1, ITV 1, they are all getting amazing movies and cool stuff. Plenty of comedies too - AND BOY DO I LOVE COMEDIES! This year there is Bolt and Ratatouille on BBC 1 - and these type off childish movies (I really do not know why) I find really nice. They are kind off humorous, have nice stories and are uplifting.

One good thing and bad thing is definitely MINCE PIES! I love them... the first 4... then I like the next 3... don't mind the next 2 and can't stand any after that. In fact - Christmas food in general is same I think. Like Christmas Pud - I think I love this, then This is OK, then eventually EWW! WHY DID I BUY THIS THING? IT'S HORRID! (being a veggie I can't comment on Turkey - come to your conclusion on that and I'll run with it :P) - not to mention that you have to always work off Christmas food from the waistline - SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER MANAGED TO DO.

But overall - I am really looking forward to Christmas, and New Year. Well that's my (little?) lecture on Christmas (which hopefully hasn't bored you to death - if you are asleep and/or a skeleton by this point I WILL KILL YOU). Gosh I'm tired. Imma hit the sack.

So now I throw the baton to you (very figuratively)! What about you Kelt? Your thoughts on Christmas please - and how is your planning for the day going?

Reply back soon! Cya and have fun :) <3

Dissidia 012 Chaos.pngCoolawitsDissidia 012 Cosmos.png 23:02, December 20, 2011 (UTC)


Just thought I'd wish you a happy Christmas, I hope you have a great time! Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 00:09, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

I don't care that I am bit too late - but I do hope you had a nice Christmas Kelt!

I was going to post in the Christmas bit - but I decided to be selfish and demanded my own bit. Yes, I do understand the native differences. I'm guessing you prefer the spirituality of Finnish Christmas - right? I think I do like nice quiet and holy occasions. My school (here I go again!) holds a Carol Service every year and the choir (which I am part of) sing nine carols or something like that. I do like those carols - not sure about carols that sound like a funeral procession though! However - seeing as how hard and depressing this year has been, I do think the cheeriness of this day can be a good breather. Today is one of those days you can just lie back and not really have to worry about much - I mean, even if Christmas dinner goes completely crap, just get something out the freezer! I think that's the other thing I like about Christmas is that due to the fact you are surrounded by family - and hence it isn't all about perfection. I think there is one word to sum up Christmas - nice. Many people don't like it as a word and at the same time many don't like Christmas. But I'm not a Scrooge and don't really like Scrooges. Hope you had a great day and will continue to have a wonderful holiday (have a nice day at the sales). Dissidia 012 Chaos.pngCoolawitsDissidia 012 Cosmos.png 00:05, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

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Music files

Hello there. The file 1000 words piano.ogg is one minute long at the moment, and it should be less than 30 seconds so that it qualifies as Fair Use. Could you reupload a version that is less than 30 seconds. Thanks. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 01:11, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

I know, all of them are wrong. I think we could just ax them all to be honest.Keltainentoukokuu 01:13, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
If that happens, it would be a crying shame. If you don't know how to edit them, maybe we could ask someone who can? Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 01:24, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
It's the kind of crap job nobody wants to do. It doesn't look good to have files on display that are against the rules though. It's just tricky for pages that don't have any audio left, because then someone's gonna put a YouTube up...and that's kind of...worse?Keltainentoukokuu 01:30, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Best wishes!

Hello!Thank you- you really helped me!!!!I checked my works with a teacher,in some places I made ​​changes and...won another contest!(sorry if I typed not grammatically right again...:)So I wish you a merry cristmas and a happy new year!--Occuria Summoner

Re: Never Voting

Just to be clear, I was joking, not sure if people recognize that line anymore so don't know if you took me seriously or not. :( Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:18, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hello? Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:58, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't want to ignore you, just having trouble thinking what to answer. Just...don't worry about it. If someone's too prissy to have their vote called out on, it's their own problem.Keltainentoukokuu 03:34, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
I really am sorry, I didn't mean to offend, honestly. It was a total joke, it's a thing from South Park. Please don't be upset. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:40, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Last thing I'm gonna say. I am very sorry I offended you, I didn't mean it seriously. I just don't want this to damage our friendship, I don't care about the shrine voting, I care that I hurt your feelings and want you to understand that wasn't my intention. Please forgive me. I'll leave you alone now. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:11, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a baby made out of glass. What are you my sorceress knight (please be my sorceress knight, we could take over the world). I didn't know it was from South Park, but obviously I got it that you didn't really want me to die because I didn't like a Final Fantasy character. That would be absurd! I'm not trying to ignore you, I just don't really know what to say to you. I had stuff to do earlier so I just did some little edits while doing something else, and then started some Crisis Core stuff (always takes longer than you think it's gonna take). I wanted to think out what I'm gonna say, it's too easy to start rewriting history and make it into some drama scene.
Ever notice how the correct answer to not always the truthful one? If I could connect my brain to yours it would make so much sense to you.
If I am offended that you called out my Quistis vote (lol yeah exactly) then that is not your problem. I'm not gonna "forgive" you, that's allocating blame. You are so sweet to worry about me <3, but please stop worrying about it now. Everything's totally cool concerning friendship between you and me, and what comes concerning to my reaction, then that's for me to deal with.Keltainentoukokuu 05:16, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, I am sorry if I tried to make it a drama. I simply value friends closely, and if I am slighted or feel I have slighted one of them, I take it seriously, and looking back I misinterpreted your responses. Good to know we're okay though, thanks. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:36, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
I could have been more prompt or verbose earlier, but it won't come out right if you don' it properly, heh. You're so nice Drake, I wouldn't have bothered if I were you. Really, you are.Keltainentoukokuu 06:04, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


I want to invite you to my International Wolves Arena. You are one of my exclusive voters (`cause you really helped me...but,honestly,in five days I will need your help again...) --Occuria Summoner 19:50,January 8 ,2012(UTC)

Before Crisis

I had never seen these before, either. They look genuine. Here is where I got them. ▫ Sir ISStalk 04:04, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Had a chance for a look yet? I have a pretty good eye for these things, and can usually spot fan art a mile away. I think I accidentally stumbled upon something good tonight, and the irony of it is that if these images were previously uploaded and then deleted as fan art, something genuine got thrown out with the trash! Who, may I ask, was the one that decided the images were fan art? Any idea? I mean, look at them! ▫ Sir ISStalk 04:19, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Pretty cool, huh? :) ▫ Sir ISStalk 04:21, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, if we're both convinced, it could be our little secret until a further "stink" arises... In the meantime, I guess I should not upload anymore until I get an official complaint..? (One particular person comes to mind who I am surprised has not ripped me a new one yet!!!) These are real, though...aren't they? Auggh! ▫ Sir ISStalk 04:34, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

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