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:I'm sorry too for calling you what I did. Peace, indeed. [[User:Faethin|<font color="dimgray" face="verdana">'''Faethin'''</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk: Faethin|<font color="black">''verba volant''</font>]] </sup> 16:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:I'm sorry too for calling you what I did. Peace, indeed. [[User:Faethin|<font color="dimgray" face="verdana">'''Faethin'''</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk: Faethin|<font color="black">''verba volant''</font>]] </sup> 16:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 
::Looking back now, I see the difference you meant between speculation and analysis. I still think it's likely that Kefka was lying and all that, but it's still probably not a good idea to say so when it is just speculation. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 17:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 
::Looking back now, I see the difference you meant between speculation and analysis. I still think it's likely that Kefka was lying and all that, but it's still probably not a good idea to say so when it is just speculation. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 17:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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So I am in a bit of a rut with deciding how to categorize [[Otherworld]] in the Music From Final Fantasy table. Is it a Main Theme, Theme Song, or what I think it could be, a Battle Theme? I'll let you be the judge of that, fellow Knight of the Lunar Lute. I await your decision. --[[User:JARIITX|<font color="#0000FF">'''Tex'''</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk: JARIITX|<font color="#000000">'''Howdy!'''</font></sup>]] 01:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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Idea

I had an idea. Not sure how far it could go, but all the same, an idea. User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2. Drake Clawfang 04:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Cool! Faethinverba volant
I was thinking we could do one for each game's battle theme, although I worry it could and would easily snowball into perhaps, every song having one. Drake Clawfang 06:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Click. Bottommost userbox to the right. :p Faethinverba volant
Wish I could see the character. >< Drake Clawfang 07:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
D'oh, wrong box. Looks good, didn't notice it at first because I'm not used to seeing Rosa's After sprite. :p Drake Clawfang 07:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Image and Sample

"Remove every single image from our character, job, skill and enemy pages".

What I'm focusing right now is the music pages. Got it? Music pages! I'm not talking about character pages, I'm not talking about job pages. I'm not talking about skill pages, I'm not talking about enemy pages. I'm talking about music pages. Music pages. I have never ever ever brought up the case of images in other pages. NEVER EVER.

Now I'm hoping that got into your mind, music samples are media. Images are media. Being music pages they are related to sound. What form of media do we have that represent sound? The music samples of course! Wouldn't that automatically make them the whole reason why we have the music pages in the first place?! Wouldn't that?! —BLUER一番 13:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Your hopes are not in vane. It got into it.
So far, the image seems to be there for a decorative purpose - when fair use images should not be used merely for decorative purposes - it should be for a descriptive purpose.
It was because of that statement that I mentioned every other page on the Wiki that uses copyrighted images. Instead of automatically assuming that I was attempting to use a straw man you, you should've carefully read what I wrote: that copyrighted images, such as artwork or in game images, are used decoratively throughout the Wiki. And we don't bitch about it, nor we have reason to do so.
I actually took ten minutes to read the Wikipedia articles on Fair Use and Transformation (Law) and found out that nothing they read backs up your statement: Fair Use images can be used for "decorative" purposes because of the transformative use we give them. To use them within articles containing music not only makes the article look nicer, it enhances the reader's perception of the musical theme and its relation with the particular element of Final Fantasy it represents. Faethinverba volant 14:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I do understand the whole "making pages look nicer and enhancing reader perception", but does that really? I imagine an uninitiated reader, at the Clash of the Big Bridge article. He/she sees that image - who is that? Nothing in the article tells them that image is somebody - fans like us might now....what about those who don't? Then there's Barbariccia in Battle with Golbez's Four Emperors - who is that? They say it's four...why's there only one? Then there's JENOVA... is the image saying anything relating to the music. To us, who are familiar of them, yes, they would have said something. What about those who are not familiar? Wouldn't the purpose be mitigated to be mere decorative? What about identification and relation to the music sample? —BLUER一番 14:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

That's the purpose of linking! If the uninitiated reader stumbles across "Battle With the Four Fiends", reads about the track and looks at the image, wouldn't his curiosity be stimulated into learning who the Four Fiends are? Indeed, why does it mention Four Fiends when all he or she sees is a weird half-naked woman? The links provided would be enough to satisfy his or her curiosity, but the fact that he has been exposed to the media of Final Fantasy, in the form of a music sample and a related image, cannot be underestimated. The inclusion of images, while not vital, is important precisely because it helps stimulate fan curiosity. Faethinverba volant 14:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

If then the music page had to be linked to the subject of the music in question, why do we have to split them up then? Wouldn't it be much better if the mention of the music written in the Four Fiends article, as an example? —BLUER一番 14:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

ZOMG MERGING!

To tell you the truth, the only objective reason I can think of in favour of keeping separate articles is that that's the way it was decided in the Music Articles Policy forum; I do acknowledge that some leitmotifs could be integrated into their corresponding articles. I originally conceived most music articles as worthy of their own pages because of the notability some of them have gained (as in the cases of "One-Winged Angel" or "To Zanarkand"), as opposed to being merely secondary elements of their respective entry in the series; I do believe that the music in Final Fantasy is of utmost importance in the game experience and that it should not be relegated to a subsection in any article. But I admit that notability (a debatable reason) the only thing I can think of. Faethinverba volant 15:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not going into any notability discussions - I dislike those discussions in Wikipedia and I do not want such things to start in the wiki. I'm just trying to say this, those are music pages. A related media on them should be the music sample. As we tried to practice here, most media is placed at the right hand side - but the inclusion of the image has hindered that. The listen template has been tweaked, and in my opinion would work fine if only the image that any uninitiated user can see once they click on the linkage is removed - because with their curiosity piqued the user can just click on the linkages and see those images. —BLUER一番 15:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

...tweaked? How? And what does the working of the template have to do with including the image or not? Did this whole ordeal begin because you wanted the Listen template to be to the right of the page? O_o Faethinverba volant 15:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

In my sandbox. That would be one of the main reasons, yes. That's what we've been doing with our pages for a while now. —BLUER一番 15:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The more than 30 pages of musical themes I've worked on all follow the same format (intro, sample, image (to the right)), and just now you tell me "that's what we've been doing"? Sory. I think you made a mistake. Faethinverba volant 15:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The same format on music pages is what you've been doing - and that's only because you regarded the music pages as your special domain - hence why changes to music pages seemingly had to go through you. When I said what we've been doing with our pages, "our pages" meant all other mainspace articles that had been shaped to some sort of standard. —BLUER一番 15:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

All other mainspace articles? The Listen template, while properly teamwork between Lucy, yourself and I, was my idea in the first place. What other mainspace articles? Just where did you come up with "media goes to the right it always has and it always will" anyway? Apart from being completely irrelevant to the value of the article itself, the decision on the alignment of the template is completely arbitrary. Faethinverba volant 16:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Mainspace articles has always used this approach - relevant media on the right hand side, intros to the left. That should be also for our music pages, and since the main focus of a music page is a music sampling, it should go on the right hand side, shouldn't it? Your idea or not, regardless, it's a wiki; your works will be changed sooner or later. I've experienced this quite a lot... sadly... —BLUER一番 16:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't implying that since it was my idea I had any sort of control over it, I do know this is a Wiki. I was only pointing out that I didn't understand how could there have been that policy before the template had been even proposed and, therefore, before I had begun working on the music pages. But it's all well now thanks to Diablo. Faethinverba volant 16:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I had a crazy idea for a compromise, but I'm not sure if it's even possible. How about a music template that incorporate images so you could click on the image to hear the music. Above the image it can say something like Click this image to hear a sample. Is such a thing even possible? Diablocon 16:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
We could incorporate the image into the listen template. —BLUER一番 16:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Excellent idea, Diablo. Faethinverba volant 16:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I like the new Listen template, Bluer. Image aside, having the sample contained in its own little box I feel, highlights it more and makes it seem more important, which the samples are for music articles. Drake Clawfang 16:48, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

T_T thank you.... I mean...... I might have not communicated it well... but that was the whole idea. *sigh* I wanted to highlight the music sample in the music page... make it all proper, all neat like... —BLUER一番 16:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Moving pages

I once got reprimanded for doing the same thing. If the page can't be moved, contact an administrator. There's no rush. Thank you. —BLUER一番 09:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Very well. Sorry. Faethinverba volant 14:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

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Your Fanfics

I admittedly didn't read them fully, the FF8 fandom just isn't for me. But I looked over them, read a couple chapters of the FF8 one. Honestly, they're pretty good. You should consider putting them up on another website. Drake Clawfang 05:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Policy

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.

Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable...It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analysis. In forward-looking articles about unreleased products, such as movies and games, take special care to avoid advertising and unverified claims. In particular...Articles that present extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" are original research and therefore inappropriate.

I tried to talk it with you, you know this. But you refused. Oh well Drake Clawfang

  1. Faethin is at work and doesn't have the time to discuss these matters.
  2. This isn't Wikipedia. Diablocon 17:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

He told me to check Wikia's help section. I checked Wikipedia, checking Wikia now. Drake Clawfang 17:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey

Sorry about yesterday man. I am, I just don't handle anti-speculation attitudes that well, which is how I took what you initially said. Peace? Drake Clawfang 16:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I am against speculation. It's in my nature (and that of my profession) to be so. But I also believe in common sense, and I like to be able to stimulate fan curiosity by showing interesting coincidences between the series' content and the myriads of sources of culture. Regarding yesterday's question of yours, that, I would say, constitutes the difference between deleting "Kefka did that, maybe" and deleting a carefully crafted analysis, like Kefka's symbolism section.
I'm sorry too for calling you what I did. Peace, indeed. Faethinverba volant 16:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Looking back now, I see the difference you meant between speculation and analysis. I still think it's likely that Kefka was lying and all that, but it's still probably not a good idea to say so when it is just speculation. Drake Clawfang 17:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Otherworld

So I am in a bit of a rut with deciding how to categorize Otherworld in the Music From Final Fantasy table. Is it a Main Theme, Theme Song, or what I think it could be, a Battle Theme? I'll let you be the judge of that, fellow Knight of the Lunar Lute. I await your decision. --Tex Howdy! 01:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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