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Image SourcesEdit

Do you have definitive sources to determine whether or not an image we have matches the filename or is misnamed? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:23, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

As far as Amano artwork goes, I have exhaustive knowledge of every single Final Fantasy related piece of Amano artwork known on file, strewn across multiple artbooks, guides, websites, games, etc. If it's not on file in any of those sources, and I've never seen it anywhere else before, then it's not from Final Fantasy. Amano's FF work is actually rather well-documented and separated from his other work, and so is easy to confirm for those that are familiar with him. The thousands and thousands of other artwork he has done over the decades that has nothing at all to do with Final Fantasy however, is not as well known, and people have a habit of taking anything at all they find by him and calling it Final Fantasy.

I think the more pertinent question is to ask if the people (namely Paramina, wherever she went), had any idea about what they were uploading when they threw all that random Amano artwork on the wiki and just guessed at what they were supposed to represent. People need to confirm that what they have in the hands is actually Amano or Final Fantasy-related before they upload it here and call it something it isn't. Just because it looks like it might be from Final Fantasy, that definitely does not mean that it is. Espritduo 16:46, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and I should clarify, that yes, if a piece is Amano and is Final Fantasy related, I have artbooks with titles listed for all his art, so I can confirm definitively what an image is supposed to be and what it isn't. (ie, the purple-haired Lenna alternates, and the Dream Stooge art that was mistaken as Sylph) Espritduo 16:48, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for identifying images on this wiki. I've been wondering about some myself. Would it be a terrible effort for you to check some by categories and flag the ones you know are not relevant for deletion? If you'd be willing, it wouldn't be a difficult job, just potentially time consuming but you could do as many as you can be bothered.

I already perused all the art galleries for all the FF's from 1-13. I can easily spot non-FF Amano a mile away and already removed the ones that weren't relevant. If it isn't Amano, though, my experience drops considerably, and I left anything not claiming to be Amano work alone.Espritduo 17:05, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Are you knowledgeable at all about FF artworks outside Amano? Recently I uploaded an artwork I am convinced is a Isamu Kamikokuryo piece but I have no source...Keltainentoukokuu 16:55, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I mainly focus on Amano's work, since I'm a bit obsessed with him. I probably wouldn't be able to give you a definitive answer on whether something is by Kamikokuryo or not. I can take a look at it though. And please don't put the psuedo-Shiva picture back on the FFIX gallery page once I remove it(again). I know for a fact it's not Amano, and just because she's blue, that doesn't mean she's Shiva. She doesn't even really look like any particular Shiva beyond her skin color.Espritduo 17:05, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
The picture should be deleted from the wiki if it isn't Shiva and there is no source of what it is. That's why images should be deleted completely not just taken off the articles, otherwise someone will find these images that they see as not being used and will put them somewhere. To put a picture up for deletion you can go to its page and click "edit" and type {{Delete|<reason why it should be deleted here>}} on the page. If you don't want to do this, hopefully someone might follow up when they see you taking off images.
This pic here I'm convinced is official and by Kamikokuryo but I got no source. It's got a signature but so blurry... Props for being an Amano fan, I think he's awesome too.Keltainentoukokuu 17:21, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
It's definitely official. I have that image right here in front of me, along with a bunch of similar concept art, in the FFXIII-2 Scenario Ultimania. I can't seem to find any credit to who the artist is, however. It, along with the other FFXIII-2 world concept artwork, definitely looks like Kamikokuryo's work, though. Espritduo 17:47, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hey there, glad to see you're identifying images (there's a lot of 'em... too bad Paramina left the wiki over a year ago) but could you recategorize them instead of just removing the categories, or maybe put them in a new category called "Unidentified Images" or something? I'm trying to get all uncategorized images categorized so that they're easier to find when somebody wants to add them into an article, etc., and categorizing, say, 5 images a day means I'll never be able to get done with people uncategorizing images. Thanks in advance. (and at least if they're in "Unidentified Images" I'll be able to find them and recategorize them).C A T U S E 17:26, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Moving Images Edit

By the way, if you happen to find an image that has an incorrect name and needs to stay (like the dream stooge pic that was labeled sylph, or something else that needs to stay on the Wiki but is not properly labeled), just slap the {{Bad Name}} template on it, and an admin or mod like myself (Hi~) will come along and move it to a more appropriate title. Thanks for all of your hard work :D Jimcloud 17:32, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, sorry about that. I actually didn't know you could rename files or make new categories. I've tried to do it in the past, but couldn't seem to find a way to do it, so I've just been trying to make it clear to whoever comes after me that the image is not what it claims to be, and hopefully they would fix it with their superior wiki-know how. I'll try to do the unidentified Images category and bad name tags in the future (and I'm getting rid of Bluer's intro thingy on my talk page, it's been there long enough :P. Espritduo 17:37, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
Normal users cannot, but admins and mods with the proper powers (like us here on the FF Wiki) can. That would be your problem. Jimcloud 17:39, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Images Edit

Thanks for all that there categorization. I've been hacking away at the Uncategorized Images list forever, and being the lazy guy that I am, I haven't made much progress. But between the two of us, every last image is now categorized or marked for deletion. Thanks!C A T U S E 04:53, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I was reminded of your link up above while I was uploading some Amano images. Once I saw there were less than a hundred left, I thought I'd go through and categorize them for ya. I'm actually surprised there were so few, out of the 50,000 images on the wiki. Just how big was that thing when you first started the Uncategorized Images list? Espritduo 05:17, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
Between 150-200, I didn't actually count them. (I'm a very slow worker.) New images appear in that list every day, but not many. Like I said, thanks.C A T U S E 05:55, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Valigarmanda Edit

Sorry, let me explain: In Japanese, Vritra get transliterated as "vali"tora or "baritora". The other Square game that spelled Vritra like that was Bahamut Lagoon so I don't think it's a coincidence.

Nope. Vrtra in FFXI uses the kana - ヴリトラ (vu ri to ra). Valigarmanda uses the kana - ヴァリガル (va ri ga ru). Only one kana is even the same there. It's not enough of a similarity to call it a reference. Espritduo 12:06, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for your feedback on my page. Sorry if i am making a bad impression but i am new to wikia and is just trying to get used it. I didnt know that i had misplaced my FFIX page and trying to figure out how this can be fixed. Sorry if i had upset anyone :L thanx again for your comment and any help- like i said im a newbie KerryJackson 15:19, June 3, 2012 (UTC)KerryJackson

Hi its me again, I've moved the content to my about page, I dont know how to delete the page so I guess it will go on its own. Sorry if I caused any problems and in the future I will write factual content instead now that I know.

I've got a few finds so I'm going to find the relevant pages for them before posting this time. Thanks alot ! :)

That's fine. As long as you don't delete the Request for Deletion tag on the misplaced page, an admin will get around to deleting it in time. Espritduo 16:07, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Dude... THANK YOU SO MUCH for the Final_Fantasy_V_OVA_Amano_Promo_Pin-up.jpg! I just love FFV, and it's kinda hard to find related images. And this one is totally new to me... it's AMAZING! Thanks!

-A lurker (don't have an account)

Happy to be of service! I'm scanning my way through all the Amano art of each FF at the moment(on FFIV now), so when I get to FFV, you may want to check back. There's tons of art that isn't anywhere online. Yet. ;) Espritduo 20:55, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again (maybe with a title I can edit it later) Edit

Hi, it's the Lurker again! Sorry, I couldn't find a way to edit my first message, so I'm leaving another. Yeah, I'll stay tunned! V is my favorite, and if you say there's lots of artworks that aren't online... I just can't wait lol... xD

Sorry about my English (and for making a mess in your Talk Page). Farewell, good sir!

-Lurker

Dude. Seriously. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Those FFV artworks are AMAZING! Never knew that Kelger had an alternate human form in Amano's mind! This is just awesome, thanks! - Lurker again

Hah, I was wondering if you'd still be around when I finally got to the FFV stuff. Glad you found something interesting in there! Espritduo (talk) 22:07, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, it's me again. Those FFVI artworks are awesome, I just love the alt design of some characters! And there are so many Mogs!!! Even the unknown guy guy with the mustache is amazing. Just thank you for sharing - some times I buy a book or another, but i NEVER saw some of these in any of them! So... yeah... I'll wait for more! xD

Heh, not much left after FFVI, actually. There's a drastic decrease in Amano's output after FFVI, and most of what's left for FFVII-X is already out there, and XI-XIII-2 only has a handful of images per game. But I will make sure every last image is uploaded! Espritduo (talk) 06:48, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it's hard to find stuff after VI, but you did an AMAZING job! I think I never saw an Amano's Gunblade, but I was i awe with the last wave of FFIX's images... DUDE! Those artworks... in color... and in such quality! I just loved the shortie Zidane, and Dagger with dark hair! I love Amarant, too, and I was in shock when I saw his other artwork (where the tattoo can actually be seen). I'm really grateful. Can't wait to see the next pieces!
Hey, hello again! I saw this news today ( http://andriasang.com/con2j7/ff_memorial_books/ ) and I'd like to know if you're planing to get them! I did read "includes artwork, some never-before seen" and I remembered you LOL

Definitely planning on getting all of that. The price tag's a little hefty for my current back-to-school situation, but it comes out December 18th, just in time for Christmas, so that works out just dandy for me. If no one else does you can surely expect me at least to scour the box and the Ultimanias for every last piece of art! Espritduo (talk) 13:43, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Just passing by again because those FFIX background artwork are just awesome. I loved to see clearly the painting in Lindblum's Church for the first time. Thanks for sharing! ;__;
I'm back! FFV is my favorite in the whole franchise, so thanks for the monsters artwork! Nomura did a GREAT job with them, and it's nice to see the little details, like the swords in Gilgamesh's back! Thanks again for sharing! :D

Categories Edit

There isn't a hard rule as far as I know, everyone just tends to categorise to whatever they think is the most appropriate category. It would make sense though if the Artwork Images and Screenshots were the big catch-all categories to define the type, and then also define further what the image is about by putting it in summon/character/location etc. category as well. There are also things like...what is "artwork"...because I think official posters are "artwork" even if they're made with a computer, but someone else might think otherwise.Keltainentoukokuu 14:13, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Edit

Just wanted to say thanks for all your work on the FF12 enemies, really appreciate it. Although I was wondering where you get the Japanese/romaji names - like if you use your own knowledge and the Ultimania guides, or if there's a big list on the web somewhere. I ask since there's more stuff (like this) that needs info, and I could help out if you'd like. --Shockstorm 00:35, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I take them from the Ultimanias. The 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 3: Battle is especially useful since it contains 100% complete bestiaries for every main series FF from 1 to 12(with just the enemy classes for XI), including any new enemies added to the remakes/ports/international editions(although it was missing the Seeq Fisher...). I'd like to go through and plug the Japanese into all the missing files on the wiki, but hoo boy, that's a task and a half just finding them all, since they don't all have the incomplete table tag. I'll get around to it once I'm done with my current scanning projects, and catch any I see while browsing, but that's it for the immediate future. I saw you going through th FFXII stuff and figured I'd stalk you and finish them off. :) Espritduo 00:52, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

It would be a lot simpler if you just updated the translations pages with Japanese text, like Final Fantasy III translations. That way, people who are willing to gnome through all the enemy pages (like me~!) can take the information and put it on the pages from there. Jimcloud 00:55, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Hm. Forgot about those! I didn't put any of the FFXII translations I added to the enemy pages onto the main list page. Oops. But once I put the missing translations on that list, how do you know which ones are also missing the translations on their own pages, without clicking through every single one? Espritduo 01:23, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
That's just what I'll do! That, or I'll look at the history of the page and see which ones you added through show changes. That would probably be easier, actually, I think I'll do that. Jimcloud 01:26, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan. That'll be my goal tomorrow, fill out the translation page for one entire game, then move onto the next on another day, and another, and another, and another... Espritduo 01:34, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Heyy you have a lot of expertise that has been missing from this wiki. Super. We all baked you cookies for thanks. The burnt ones are mine but hey it's the thought that counts.Keltainentoukokuu 02:38, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been around the wiki for years, but I've only recently decided to really focus on improving it. I had hoped that another site I'm a member of would become the FF-info center I wanted it to be, but unfortunately they recently decided to not pursue that goal, and most of the members don't really care about FF anymore. SO, I made the decision to focus my information-gathering/consolidating efforts here instead. That other site is still my home, but it's nice to also be among people that actually still are overly obsessed with care about the series. :)
Also, I've done just about all I can with the translation page for FFI. One thing still bugs me, though. The NES names are not right, at all. I noticed the Talk Page addressed this somewhat, but didn't really go anywhere with it. The NES names are usually all caps, and heavily abbreviated, like GrIMP for the Goblin Guard and such. Should I go through and fix all the enemy and equipment names to match exactly with what they are in the NES version? I have my own list I made years ago that has all this info, so it wouldn't be hard to do. Espritduo 17:22, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
The more accurate, the better, I'd say. If someone needs clarity on what exactly that means then they can just look a little to the right on the page, no? (Also, I added some of the Japanese and Romaji you added to pages :3 such as Mount Duergar) Jimcloud 17:38, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Definitely use correct case. Final Fantasy VI translations does, although some people actually changed it at one point. I think CAPS just looks awful so they don't use it. 79.69.196.161 17:47, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Oh! I almost forgot. How does the page-linking work? I noticed a lot of the items are linked to the general page for them, if it exists(like, Flame Armor linking to Flame Equipment, or Potion linking to the general series-wide Potion page), while the more specific stuff that only appears in FFI and doesn't have a page isn't linked at all. I can still link the unique items to their respective locations on the List pages(I did this for the Master Shield, but thought I should ask before doing it for everything). On top of that, all the monsters link specifically to their FFI pages, and not their general pages (for example, Goblin links to it's FFI page, instead of the general Goblin page). If the enemies are treated this way, shouldn't the items be treated this way, too? Like, every item should link to their location on the List pages for FFI. Maybe big-name things like Excalibur can link specifically to their section on their general FF page? Espritduo 17:58, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
If the context is of a specific item/piece of equipment/enemy, it makes sense to link directly to it, rather than to a generic list. If it's talking of goblins in general and not a specific enemy, you can link to a parent.Keltainentoukokuu 18:47, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
So, for something major like Excalibur, for example, I would still link it directly to its position on the FFI Item List page(List_of_Final_Fantasy_Weapons#Excalibur), not to its position on the Excalibur recurring page (Excalibur (Weapon)#Final_Fantasy)? The List page still further links back to the recurring page anyways, so it's not like info is being lost. Espritduo 19:08, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Edit

Sorry about that but I don't know where that image is on the wiki anyway, if you know could you link it? Oh, and nice Minamimoto avi 60pxTree of Turles is an old mage! Chocobo Black Mage 04:51, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Oh wait, you already did that.... Nice work then... 60pxTree of Turles is an old mage! Chocobo Black Mage 04:52, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sho's zetta cool. And wow, that's some template you got there. Remember, no moz borders! And Catus fixed your image, actually. I just deleted it and yelled at you. :| Espritduo 05:04, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Uh... Edit

You got the wrong guy. No worries though, it was quickly fixed. Anonymous users say the darnest things :|C A T U S E 04:15, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hah, yeah I saw that and was like "Wait, what? I thought I fixed that!" Not sure how that even happened. Myabe someone undid it right before I undid it, and I undid the undo. Or something. Espritduo 04:33, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's happened to me a couple of times. I hate edit conflicts, a lot.C A T U S E 04:35, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Adamantite Edit

I didn't actually add that section of FFX, it was already there. So I don't know whay your undo says I did it. O.o I didn't think there was, but I wasn't sure, so... Any idea why it says I created that part? O.o - BlitzballArtTidus357 10:16, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

It might be because I clicked the undo button to undo your edit, and then also changed it to remove the FFX section altogether in the same edit when I saw you only added the stub. Just a weird editing burp, I guess. Espritduo 11:57, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

RW Images Edit

20 hours XD Who needs sleep anyway? ;)Keltainentoukokuu 17:18, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Licensing Edit

Hi there. Is there any reason why you removed the game licenses from the Final Fantasy NES screenshots I had sifted through? EDIT- After some looking, I agree that the weapon sprites and such should have their licenses changed, but just so I'm more specific, I'm talking about the images which I licensed as {{Screenshot|Final Fantasy NES}} and you changed to {{Screenshot}}. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 13:41, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

They're already categorized under Final Fantasy Screenshots in their own categories. To avoid clutter, I organized all the screenshots into sub-categories relating to what kind of screenshots they were(screenshots of battle, screenshots of locations, screenshots of spells, screenshots of weapon attacks, etc) and then which version they came from (NES, PS, GBA, PSP). Re-categorizing images as general Final Fantasy screenshots when they are already categorized in their own sub-categories inside the Final Fantasy Screenshots category seems redundant and confusing. As for the maps, they aren't really screenshots, but composite images with their layers removed and photoshopped together, or sometimes ripped directly from the code, like sprites.
I appreciate your efforts, but I already combed through the entire Final Fantasy Images category and organized everything in the most efficient and easy-to-use fashion I could. There shouldn't be anything in there that needs re-categorized. Although I have to ask, do the {{Screenshots}} licenses require the game tag piped to them for proper wiki documentation, even if the image is already categorized appropriately under the category section? If that is the case I apologize, but it seems a waste of time and effort to do so when they are already categorized. Espritduo 15:06, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
I spoke with a few users on the IRC, and we've all agreed that the maps are pretty much multiple screenshots put together, so they do still count. And the screenshots all clumped together are there because they haven't been appropriately licensed by game, which is what I was doing, so yes, I think it needed to be done. I saw it from the To-Do List, which asks in particular to license them as I have been doing.
You can organise them by port (NES, GBA, etc) but I don't think the screenshot category has any sections for battle, spells, etc. You're better off taking it to the forums or the talk page, and I didn't want to start an edit war with you (and just to let you know, Omega Mk. has put the licenses back on the images, so don't start warring please :P ), so I thought it best to ask your reasoning first. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 15:33, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Just for clarification, images shouldn't manually be categorised in any screenshot category. All screenshots should only be categorised automatically with the Screenshot license and the appropriate pipe.

If you want to know why there isn't any specificness with Screenshots and type of screenshot, well it's because as far as I'm concerned there isn't that much benefit with separating battle screenshots and other types of battle image.

But when adding the additional functionality to the Screenshot template I did always consider that we may want to do such things. So what would be typed is "Final Fantasy Battle" in the pipe of the Screenshot template. Not how I'd personally like it done.

It should be noted that previously all screenshots fell into the Category:Screenshots category. Categorising by game was just the next step, because just having a category with thousands of unfiltered images is unhelpful. 79.69.192.93 16:11, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

And Mr. Bedford comes to save the day! So how do you propose we go about these screenshots? I've taken a break for now till we can solve this. Apologies, but I can't always completely read everything from your wall of text :P Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 16:16, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

As for the maps, I don't agree they're screenshots any more than sprites and models since they aren't "shots" of a "screen", but I won't argue since it doesn't really matter in the end, as long as they are still in their own "maps" category. I don't think they should just be lumped in with all the other general screenshots when they already have their own category. Which I do already have, and it should just be moved under Screenshots if they are to be considered screenshots. The point here is that there shouldn't be anything under just the main FF Screenshots category if there is already a sub-category there to hold them. I organized the entire FF1 image section so that there would only be sub-categories under a main category with large numbers of images, with all images being found in one of the sub-categories and nothing hanging beneath them in limbo in the main category itself if at all possible. Right now, there's a mess of screenshots dangling there that should be in their appropriate sub-categories. (the maps in Final Fantasy Map Images and the others in the general screenshot categories for their respective versions of the games.)

And I still don't understand the licensing thing. They are all categorized correctly already. Is it just a matter of baby-sitting the Screenshots template so that the images don't show up under the main Screenshots category as a big cluttered mess? Do you mean the 1,325 images that are listed under the main "Screenshots" category instead of up above in one of the categories? If that is how you're sniffing through the Screenshots, then I guess the only sticking point I have right now is to make sure when you pipe the game to the {{Screenshots}} template, make sure you pipe them under the specific screenshot sub-category I have provided in the image's category section(like "Final Fantasy Battle Images", instead of just "Final Fantasy". Otherwise, it's just a messy and redundant categorizing of the same images over and over in different places for no reason. I understand that you(Bluerfn, right? no sig) may not feel it worthwhile to sub-categorize each individual game's Screenshots at all, but then you run into the same issue you ran into with general Screenshots. A big unhelpful mess of screenshots that it's impossible to find anything in. Plus, the categories were already there(FF Battle Images, FF Abilities Images, FF Spell Images, FF Weapon Images, etc), and I just moved the categories under screenshots, since that's what they all were, without exception. (I'm not mad, just confused, but growing less confused with each post. Keep explaining, I'll get it eventually :)) Espritduo 16:36, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Esprit: The anon is Jbed, he uses a dynamic IP sometimes. And I kinda agree that the Screenshot|(insert game here) categories are a bit too broad right now - maybe Catuse has plans to make more specific categories. As for Screenshot subcategories, feel free to add game categories that aren't appearing. I tried to add some and it didn't work :o.
Everyone: Speaking of images categories, how should we do the FFIV TAY PSP images? Technically they're from the Complete Collection, as well as from TAY? Might want to ask Catuse if he has something in mind.
  • Also, about other types of licensing: you mentioned to Kelt that some Screenshots should be Scans, since when she uploaded them Scan wasn't available. On any image that looks like it's concept art or such from a book, should we replace with Scan? Or it might be better to ask Kelt to do the more ambiguous ones.
  • Finally, there's a lot of images from games like FFVII/Type-0 that say SECopyright, but really look like Screenshots. Is there any reason to keep SECopyright on there?
Sorry for all the questions, just wanted to throw this out there while we're all discussing it. --Shockstorm 16:46, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Esprit, I was referring to the thousands of loose screenshots. The After Years screenshots do have their own category, but I don't know enough about images myself, maybe you're better off asking Catuse for advice. Yes, any work that comes from an Ultimania or is concept art is definitely not a screenshot, so change the license to scan. Anything from Type-0 that appears to be a screenshot, by all means change the license. If it's wrong, another user can revert, simple as that, and no harm done. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 16:51, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Screenshots must come directly from the subject. A scan of a screenshot from a publication is where it becomes a bit questionable, but that is still classed as a scan (well, I would think-- it should still be credited to its source which is what the Scan template better caters for).

Complete Collection has its own category right? Just categorise them as "Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection Screenshots", and then categorise that category in relevant FFIV and FFIV:TAY categories. 79.69.192.93 16:58, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

EDIT(my internet connection was really bad for a bit, ugh): Okay, as I experiment with this, here's a prime example of the problem I'm seeing - take the image "File:FF-Music Player.PNG". It should be under the "Final Fantasy PSP Menu Images" sub-category of the "Final Fantasy Screenshots" category. It is. But when Tia fixed it to be 'Screenshots| Final Fantasy" now it is also in the general pool of Final Fantasy Screenshots, defeating the purpose of having the Menu subcategory to begin with. I tried fixing the Screenshots template piping so that it would pipe back to PSP Menu Images, but because it ends in Images and not Screenshots, it won't work. So there's three options here - get rid of all those sub-categories and just have a mess of like, 500 general FF1 screenshots(no more spell images, no more battle images, no more status effect images, no more location images, no more anything but screenshots, which could at least be organized by version since I made those categories and named them correctly). Or rename the "Images" categories to "Screenshots", and then go about fixing all the dead links redirects and whatnot. Or categorize the license as something else that won't just throw the image into the main Screenshots pool. None of those are very savory to me. The best solution would be to fix the Screenshots template to allow for any kind of piping, and not just categories that end in Screenshots, but I don't know if that's even possible.

Also, I should mention that I always categorize images I'm uncertain about as "SECopyright". Is that right? It seems like the catch-all, general copyright license. It's what I've been doing whenever I had any doubt whether it was a scan from a book or an image taken from an official website, or a camera picture, or am image ripped from the game itself(like the artwork ripped from the Art Gallery in the Origins and PSP versions of FF1-2).Espritduo 17:06, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

When you categorise something with {{Screenshot}}, it works like this: What you type, is then followed by "Screenshots".

So if you type "Final Fantasy Menu", the output will be "Category:Final Fantasy Menu Screenshots". JBed 17:11, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

So it's basically as I described -there is no way to pipe a pre-existing category under Screenshots unless the category already ends in "Screenshots"? Ie, the "Final Fantasy PSP Menu Images" category cannot be piped to the Screenshots template?

Oh, and I should probsably explain why I'm obessing over the FF1 images section. I would like to eventually have all the series's image categories organized in a consistent, easy-to-use fashion, and my marathon re-organizing of the FF1 image section was my attempt to show how I might make it look. Once everyone agrees on how exactly this section should look(licensing and all), we can have a precedent to go back to when categorizing other games("look at the FF1 image section, that's how it should be done"), and eventually all images and image categories on the wiki will be in a nice, organized layout, the same for each game with a place for everything and everything in its place. It only took me a few days to work out my current scheme for the FF1 section, so once the details are hammered out, I could start on the other games. And if we have hard, fast rules about how the categories should be set up, other people can easily help out if they want. But that's just my OCD dream, I realize most people don't care. Espritduo 17:17, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oh sorry, now I understand what you mean.

Well, basically it all comes back to the initial plan which was categorise all screenshots as screenshots.

So if you have an FF menu screenshot, it would be categorised in "Final Fantasy NES Screenshots" (via {{Screenshot}}) and "Final Fantasy (NES(??) Menu Images" (manual cat).

And I'm sure what you were saying is that isn't very helpful-- especially since users looking for menu screenshots may look in the screenshots category and then they won't have any way to filter down menu screenshots, which the category system is meant to do. I might think about how to improve the system.

What you should know is that "Screenshots" were an after thought and there was no real intention for Screenshots to be part of the category system. If you took out the Screenshot categories then our categories might look more comprehensive (and maybe a bit lacking, but I previously would have never seen the sense of adding them).

For me, the ideal category system is like Category:Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII-. Although by that I just mean how it handles categories and sub-categories. I haven't looked at the FFI categories yet so what you have in mind might be something completely different. JBed 17:29, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I just looked, and my first thought is "wow, tidy".

My second thought is I would prefer if there were also console categories where you could just go into "Final Fantasy PS Images" and then have relevant PS sub-categories. Of course, that wouldn't work so well when it comes to iOS re-using PSP images, and therefore we'd have to handle that differently so maybe that isn't a good idea.

To me the categories don't necessarily seem that logical. For me I would probably prefer categorising for the main... things. Which would be World Map, Field, Battle, and Menu... and then also have an Artwork and Product images category.

But even though I want to improve the category-layout I don't think there's an easy way to justify the best way to organise it, so I'm not going to discuss this any further. JBed 17:39, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

*Eyes glazing over gradually at so much text* ...Okay, tell you what. I'll leave the FFI images alone, and you can sort them out :P I seem to be messing things up, I'll make a go at everything else. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 17:56, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry Tia, I think what I'll end up doing is going back over Omega's edits and just move them into their version's screenshot category for now (like "Screenshots| Final Fantasy" will be "Screenshots| Final Fantasy NES" for the maps) while also still having them listed in their respective subject category. It's an acceptable compromise that removes them from the Screenshots To-Do list and keeps them from dangling in the general FF1 Screenshots category.

And I agree with you JBed. Part of the problem I had was all the pre-existing categories. I more or less worked with what was already there when I could, and created new categories as needed. I agree absolutely, all image categories from any game can be boiled down to the basic main categories:

1. Artwork Images(any image not actually part of the game, but created for the game). This includes any Scans from books, be they Ultimania's, gaming magazines, novels, instruction manuals. If the scan is a full-page scan with various text and all that jazz, it can go under "Ultimania Scans". If it is cropped image of a specific piece of concept art, isolated from the format of the book, it can go under the specific artist's sub-cat.

2. Product Images(like artwork, but for camera shots of physical things). This would include box art, logos, the action figure things, photos of other promotional things (like the FF 25th Anni cake). As long as it is a picture of thing, and not an piece of 2D art, it goes here.

3. Screenshot Images, which would break down to all of these:

3a. Battle Screenshots (any image depicting screenshots of the battle system in action). All Spell images, Status effect images, Weapon-use images, Abilitie Images, etc would be sub-cats here. Looking back over my FF1 images scheme, I think the Battle Background Images can go as a sub-cat here, too.
3b. Menu Screenshots (any image depicting screenshots of menu/title/loading/bestiary screens). There shouldn't be a lot of these no matter the game, so I don't think any sub-cats beyond game version are needed here.
3c. Field Screenshots (any screenshot depicting images outside of battle or the menu, including cutscenes and dialogue). World Map seems to fall under field, to me, so I would probably just keep it under the sub-cat of "Maps". All maps and map renders(like all those FFIX maps you uploaded, JBed) would be under here(even if I don't think they are true screenshots, but meh, it's not a big deal, even to me).
3d. I would also have an FMV Screenshots category for any image from an FMV. People like those.

4. And then a Sprites/Models/Renders Images (depending on the game) category for all of those programming "objects" like character/enemy/icon sprites, character/enemy models, CG renders, field objects like tents, world map towns, etc, etc. Each type (character/enemy/field/summon/etc) would be a sub-cat.

Those four categories would be the four fundamental categories that all official images on the FFWiki should be categorized into(if there's any exceptions, feel free to mention them, I think I have all my bases covered). Now, when it comes to a game like FF1 with multiple versions, I agree again with JBed, but I just didn't go that far yet in the FF1 section. There should be sub-sections within each of the four major sections splitting all images there into their respective versions when applicable (iOS for example would still go under iOS Screenshots for Screenshots, since the iOS screen is markedly different from the PSP one, but iOS sprites would just be under the PSP sprites, since they are identical. A note can be added to the PSP sprite section to clarify this if needed).

AND there should be general NES Images/PS Images/etc. sections along with the four main image sections, placed before them in their own alphabetical category (which I made for screenshots, but not for the entire image section.) This means of course that every image in the primary version category would then also be found in the category under the other sections. Ie, an image found in the "NES Battle Screenshots" sub-category of the "NES Images" category would also be found in the same "NES Battle Screenshots" category of the "Battle Screenshots" sub-category of the "Screenshot Images" category.

Make sense? :D Every single image would thus be represented in two different places in the overall image categorization scheme - under the primary game version category and under the primary subject category, depending on how the person is looking for images. Redundancy, to be sure, but is it a good redundancy that helps people enough to outweigh the inefficiency factor? I think so, but I didn't go that far in the FF1 section because people might complain about redundancy then. I'd be happy to do it now. Anyways, that is my dream, in a nutshell. I think every game and every game image could and should be categorized like this, and I just did the FF1 to show what I meant, even if it isn't exactly perfect according to the above scheme yet. Espritduo 18:33, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. I do not see redundancy in categories as a problem. The categories should be laid out in a fashion that understands how each user may look for images. This is why I created (the incomplete) Category:Character Images and similar categories, so if user's are in the Characters category, or the "Final Fantasy Series Images by type" category, they can find the Character Images category, which will then take them to specific releases.

It is also why for Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- Enemy Ability Images, I categorised it into "Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- Enemy Abilities", "Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- Enemy Images", Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- Ability Images", and "Enemy Ability Images". It covers all bases, and each sub-category gets a little more specific.

We have had users complain about double-catting and suchlike. However it completely misunderstands the point of the category system which is to logically layout where articles and images should go, and to make it easy for any random user to find what they are looking for. JBed 18:46, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with both of you - efficiency should be the main goal. For example, I've put Ability images in both the Ability and Battle Images categories. I've also put some artwork of characters in both Artwork and Character Images, although that's a bit more questionable (only a few other artwork images are typically seen in a Char Images gallery). --Shockstorm 18:59, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
Ideally the "Abilities Images" category would be inside the "Battle Images" category. Character artwork should be in both Character Images and Artwork unless there is a Character Artwork category (which is a sub-category of two aforementioned categories). JBed 19:02, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I don't have any plans in mind to make the Screenshots categories more organized -- I just make categories that pop up in Special:WantedCategories.C A T U S E 03:49, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

FFVI character heightsEdit

Do any of the guide books you own have the heights and such for the FFVI cast? We have some heights listed here on the wiki but no source at all where they are from. Someone just changed Shadow's height without citing reference, but without knowing where the original heights are even from, who's to say anything about it... I'm thinking we should have clear reference to where the info's from.Keltainentoukokuu 17:21, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

RPG Legion has 'em. So does Caves of Narshe. But neither are primary sources. C A T U S E 18:04, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
The official Japanese site for FFVI doesn't have them and doesn't appear any English one exists anymore. Maybe in a manual somewhere...Keltainentoukokuu 18:14, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
Some of them were in metric in the settei shiryou *something something*. I forget. It was basically the Ultimania for VI IIRC. I think espritduo has it :3 JBed 18:52, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
And he recorded the heights, I would assume from said book. Although it's probably better to wait for him to respond. JBed 18:54, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yep, that list JBed linked to of mine are all heights confirmed and taken directly from official sources(the Ultimanias, the Settei Shiryou Hen, and other such books). The 20th Anniversary Ultimania (File 1:Character) is where I pulled almost all of them. I used that book first and foremost, since it is the most recent official statement of character heights, including the FFVI heights (although none of the heights changed). The remaining heights I either got directly from the Ultimania for that character's game or from the guide books released before there were Ultimanias.

The only sticklers here are Cait Sith, Red XIII and Sephiroth. Caith Sith's height has changed over the years, and the height I have listed is the most recent official height, taken from the 20th Anni Ulti. Red XIII and Sephiroth I have never been able to find any heights for outside of the instruction manual for FFVII, and they were in feet/inches(being a US manual), not metric like every other official height. I do not own the Japanese version of the FFVII instruction manual, so I can't say what they say on the heights, but I would guess it is the same, in meters. In any case, instruction manuals aren't at the top of my personal "canonicity" ranking for such things, so take those two heights with a grain of salt. Especially since the heights for the two are listed as ? in the 20th Anniversary Ultimania.

As for Shadow, I noticed that edit, and unless someone else has since edited in something else, it was simply correcting the metric conversion. His height should be 184cm, which should convert to 6'0". According to the edit I saw, the previous foot/inch height was 6'2", which is wrong, and correctly changed to 6'0" by the anon user. Espritduo 20:14, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: A quick glance at my own list (dur) and a doublecheck with the Ultimania confirms Shadow's height is 178cm, not 184cm. What was I smoking when I typed up that last bit? Espritduo 20:17, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VII/Manual/Europe for VII character's metric heights. JBed 20:23, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, see, now that one has Red XIII's height as 120cm, not 114cm. I am thinking that's a typo. 3'9" (the height given in the US manual) converts to 114cm. However, 3.9 feet does convert to 120cm. Also, I've noticed there's a discrepancy with Laguna's height in the FFVIII instruction manual, and what is listed in the Ultimanias as well. Personally, I get the feeling that the PAL manual heights were simply snatched and converted (sometimes erroneously) from the NTSC manual heights, which were themselves completely made up based on how tall the character looked compared to the others(Cait Sith's is laughably wrong compared to his Ultimania height, for example). This is my guess, but regardless, the 20th Anniversary Ultimania and the FFVII/FFVIII Ultimanias all agree on Cait Sith being 100cm, Laguna being 181cm, and Red XIII and Sephiroth having unknown heights. For my list I left the manual heights on there, but for the wiki, I would go by the 20th Anniversary Ultimania first, and disregard any previous heights that may differ. Espritduo 20:34, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

I know what you mean about the heights varying and the manuals especially can be poor sources. Square converted al the heights for the FFVII and FFVIII cast wrong from metric to imperial... But the latter ones are still official heights of the characters, since they've been given by Square. Even if they did it wrong. Confusing.Keltainentoukokuu 05:00, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Magicite Edit

Hello there! I was wondering if you might perhaps know what the Japanese and Romaji for Magicite were, seeing as, sadly, our Magicite article is lacking in Nihongo :\ I went trawling in our translations lists before coming over here, and the closest I could find was the Magicite Shard item (ませきのかけら, Maseki no Kakera); I know that "no" means "of", roughly, but I'm fuzzy on which is describing the other >_> Not to mention that wouldn't help me much with the actual proper Japanese script. Thanks for the help :D Jimcloud 04:45, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

The Japanese word for Magicite is "魔石" or "Maseki". Literally "magic stone". The Magicite Shard item is as you said, "魔石のかけら" or "Maseki no Kakera", with kakera meaning shard, so "Shard of Magicite" or "Magicite Shard".

EDIT: Hmm,..says my talk page now has a broken link, which I assume is my "talk" in parentheses below. What's up with that? Espritduo (talk) 14:44, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Wikia have changed the default signature (or broken their default), which was originally "[[User:<your username>|<your username>]] ~~~~~" to now... also have a talk page link also.
If you typed a message on another page, that link would go to your talk page. JBed (talk) 14:49, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy IX also had Magic Stones... so in Japan is that also another appearance of Magicite? JBed (talk) 14:51, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hm, never thought about it, but looking it up, the Japanese name for the term "Magic Stone" in FFIX is "魔石力" or masekiryoku, literally "magic stone power". Whether that is a coincidence of kanji or a deliberate reference to the maseki of FFVI, I don't know. I do know that "maseki" itself is not a real word in Japanese, and was made up for FFVI, much like Magicite was made up in English, so it is likely a reference. Add to that the fact that Magicite/Maseki is also used as an item in FFXII, and it probably was an intentional reference to FFVI. I mean, this is FFIX, the king of references, we're talking about here. Espritduo (talk) 15:35, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

FFVIII also has Magic Stone (魔石) and M-Stone Piece (魔石のかけら). JBed (talk) 15:39, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
It would seem Magicite is everywhere. It's Magicite Madness! Espritduo (talk) 15:46, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Amano Hilda Edit

That image that you said wasn't Hilda, who was it? That image was on my userpage and I want to upload a replacement outside the wiki. Rosenarm 16:28, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

It was from one of Amano's non-FF related art collections, Hiten I believe. Here's a link to the image if you want to use it: http://www.espritduo.com/Amano/Non-FF/Amano%20Hiten%20Girl.png Espritduo (talk) 17:18, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Re: DerpEdit

Yikes! So sorry, so sorry! But you should really consider proper categorisation of files on your page. >.< Gotta fix it now, right? Off to work I go, then.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 18:37, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Artbook Edit

Hi there! So, I might have been trawling through Square Enix blogs looking for the songs played in VanaFest 2012 when I happened upon something a little peculiar. I don't know what this thing is -- artbook, ultimania, what, no clue. What I do know is that they show it with a page open, and I don't think we have any of this artwork on the Wiki. Do you know what this thing is? Can you find it with magical Esprit powers somehow? Figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. (Oh, and I am aware I am kind of asking for a lot seeing as how I'd imagine this thing only came out one month ago since it was being sold at VanaFest, which was, yeah, a month ago.) Thanks~! :D Jimcloud 13:36, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Found it, bought it, will have it in a few days. Thank you for letting me know it existed! I have the FFXI Story Ultimania, the V-Jump World Concept Artbook, and the 10th Anniversary Premier Guide, but I did not know about this one. Espritduo (talk) 01:05, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

IRC Edit

You know, you should come check out the IRC sometime :D we have wacky antics, wiki discussions, and we only bite a little :3 You can just bring it up in another tab and check it out occasionally or something if you happen to be busy at a given time. It'll be fun! (Note: fun not guaranteed) Jimcloud 14:07, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

I should. I've been meaning to check it out, but despite my verbose tendencies when posting, I'm not a chatty kinda guy, and things like IRC terrify me. Really. o_O Espritduo (talk) 14:10, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I know how you feel, I was really shy when I first came on the IRC too ._.; it took me a while to come out of my shell, but now... :3 But, you know, the sooner you come on the sooner you get used to us, riiight? Jimcloud 14:15, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I have no idea what I'm doing. Heh. I can't even see where to type anything in the IRC channel. Espritduo (talk) 14:21, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

You should be able to type at the bottom, I think, if you click it and then type stuff and press enter. Let me double check, but I think that's how you do it. Jimcloud 14:22, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, you have to click in the text box at the bottom. First time I joined it I sat there for 15 min feeling like an idiot b/c I couldn't type. But it is interesting, even for someone shy like myself. Just the other day we were discussing an important and insightful topic (specifically, Vanille's moans). --Shockstorm (talk) 16:24, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Legend of the Crystals ImagesEdit

Wow, thanks for uploading all those Legend of the Crystals Images! Makes my job a whole lot easier :) Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 07:05, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, no problem. I saw you uploading and making pages for it, and I happened to get my LotC artbook in the mail at the same time, so I figured now was the perfect time to upload all the images from it. Hope you can use them! Espritduo (talk) 11:33, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Just a Heads UpEdit

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Woo! The Thor's Hammer is supposed to be FFIII's Thor's Hammer, not FFII's. I must have misnamed it when I created the file. As for Gungnir...that actually doesn't exist in the NES version of FFIII. It was added to the DS version as a rare steal from Odin.

And the Leather Shield(I uploaded Leather Armor, right?) and Leather Cap were missed uploadeds, like the Dagger. D'oh! Espritduo (talk) 09:04, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

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ApologiesEdit

Sorry, I knew ~Forunes~ was a typo, I saw your fix and then I remembered to check if another user had made any other corrections before I reverted their edits, then I re-edited them back it from the revision diff. Which means I was accidentally editing an old revision. 79.69.206.151 21:25, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, no problem. I figured there was probably some sort of reversion snafu involved. Espritduo (talk) 08:12, August 27, 2012 (UTC)


RE: Psst~Edit

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So can I just crop them with the blue BG still there? It will look identical to the Dream harp sample, just with blue in the background instead of white. Doing that would take no time at all. I could have them all done and uploaded in a couple hours probably. It's the meticulous pixel-by-pixel cleanup that takes loads of time. I can come back when I have time (weekends, winter break, what have you) and replace them with white background ones. Espritduo (talk) 22:47, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

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I think I'll upload over the ones Drake uploaded- the ones that look like they were cropped from full screenshots. The full screenshots themselves might still be useful for something or other, but those cropped ones are pretty much terrible compared to any sort of proper render shot. For the shields, I'll make whole new images. As far as naming conventions go, I like to put the subject matter first, that way people looking for the image know where to look. Ie, if they're looking for the Avenger, they will find it where they expect - in the A's part of the category listing. So it would be Avenger FFIV DS Render.png for me. I'm sure you've noticed that by now with all my images you've moved around. :P Espritduo (talk) 01:00, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

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MogEdit

That moogle gif on your user page...is the best thing I have seen for a while. O_OKeltainentoukokuu (talk) 01:48, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

It is just the awesomest thing ever, isn't it? Is there anything Amano can't do? Espritduo (talk) 13:44, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

I thought you made it! The animation I mean.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 21:16, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
It's actually a flipbook from The Sky (you can see it and the other flipbook image on the page). I did scan all 50 images and put them together in animated .gif form, though. Very time-consuming, but definitely worth it. Espritduo (talk) 22:08, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
Wow. I thought that book wasn't out yet.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 22:29, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
In English, no, not until October. The Japanese version's been out for about ten years though. :P Espritduo (talk) 22:31, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
Must have been some effort to obtain it. Isn't it super rare these days?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 22:35, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
That's why I obtained it ten years ago XD. The Sky was the very first book in my now mountainous collection of FF books. I got it for Christmas, long, long ago. Espritduo (talk) 22:40, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

FFT Battlefields Edit

Are you still gonna get those FFT battlefields? If not, I'm going to start getting them from Caves of Narshe (and also look into FFT hacking tools so I can get them myself -- the Caves of Narshe images are pretty good, but getting images from the game itself might be faster). C A T U S E 06:10, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

I thought the CoN ones were better than anything I could scan, so I thought we'd just use those. I tried just now to get that map viewer to work with my copy of FFT, but I can't. It's looking for a .gns file, and I ain't got any to give it on the PSX disc or anywhere else. I'm going to get a rom of FFT and try opening it through that, but the hacktics site itself has a pretty good library of maps:

http://ffhacktics.com/maps.php

Not going to get much better than that, I think. Espritduo (talk) 17:16, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

ffxi 10th anniversary artbook Edit

heya! thanks for uploading all the awesome artwork from FFXI. it definitely makes the XI articles with them a lot more colorful and deeper with all the concept art in place. I do have 2 requests from you with regards to the book tho.

1) the book has a version update table towards its end.. is it possible for you to scan that for me, so that i can translate it and work it into a FFXI timeline page?

2) since you bought the book, you do have the campaign code for the in-game item that comes with it right? since you don't play ffxi.. if you don't mind, can I have it? i'd love to have that Mandraguard. it looks like this.. FFXI Shield 33

theres no hurry to any of this, but i do look foward to your reply :D once again thx for the artwork --Arciel Spira (talk) 05:19, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

I believe I do have that code, and I can scan the version update table. I'll do that later today once I get back from classes. 11:57, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

omg thx! i'll owe you for that--Arciel Spira (talk) 17:00, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

once again, thank you Espritduo :D [1]. tee hee~ --Arciel Spira (talk) 04:10, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Brigade Edit

Hi! I had a question regarding Brigade things, and I wasn't sure who else to turn to :\ I have here some images with information on jobs and stuff, but it's all Japanese, so I don't know any of it. It lists jobs, and in the case of advanced jobs, what jobs are needed to get them. Thankfully there are also visual aids. The first image is pretty clear-cut: Warrior, Monk, Thief, White Mage, Black Mage, Red Mage. The second one a little less so. My only questions here are A.) What is the Job? and B.) How do you get it? This way we can fill in some info for our job parent pages and not have them be quite so lonely. Thanks for the help :D Jimcloud 15:38, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hm...the first one is easy enough, true. Although these are just my translations of things. I have no idea what they are called in-game. ie, Specialties is just my translation of the kanji. It might be called something else like Talents, or Features, or Strengths, or Mist Knacks or something equally stupid.

Warrior

Specialty: Strength, Greatswords

Monk

Specialty: Strength, Fists

Thief

Specialty: Dexterity (I think? I don't know the game, so this might also be Techniques/Skills), Daggers

White Mage

Specialty: Magic, Staffs

Black Mage

Specialty: Magic, Rods

Red Mage

Specialty: Magic, Swords

The second image is a bit more complicated, in that these are second-level jobs that have requirements (I assume the previous ones are there from the get-go). Because I don't know anything about the game's world or mechanics, I have no idea how the translations pertain to the game. For example, I have no idea what " Dark Elf's Castle 7 Clear" means in reference to the Berserker job's requirement, and I can only assume something like Mystic Knight Lv5 x Paladin Lv5 means you need that character to be both a level 5 Mystic Knight and a Level 5 Paladin to unlock the Rune Knight job. It may not be that. You may need two different units that you then fuse or sacrifice....or perhaps the jobs are crystals, and you need to have a level 5 crystal of both...or something. But, I'll translate what's there, just as it's stated, and I guess someone who knows the game can go from there. I'll get to that once I'm done with school for the day. Espritduo (talk) 16:49, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

From what I've gathered, you get a job and you keep it; from what I've also gathered, you can also gain jobs through story events. You're playing as the one character and I don't think you're fusing jobs or anything (I think?). Doesn't help too much, but it's something. Thanks, by the way :D Jimcloud 17:23, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I got 'em all. The ones that require places I translated as best I could, but I have no idea what they're actually called in game. Some of them seem to be related to FF places, but the names aren't the same (Monk Mountain could be Mt. Ordeals, Wintry Coal City could be Goland Colliery, Prison Tower could be D-District Prison, Mist Ruins could be the Mist Cave from FFIV, and Great Forest (of Forests, apparently), could be Moore Forest. I dunno. Like I said, the names don't match, but they sure sound like those places. Also, I uploaded all the images too, for kicks. :)

Geomancer Specialty: Dexterity, Instruments /Requirements: Log in seven times

Hunter Specialty: Dexterity, Bows /Requirements: Monk Mountain 7 Clear

Mystic Knight Specialty: Magic, Swords /Requirements: Wintry Coal City 7 Clear

Berserker Specialty: Strength, Fists /Requirements: Dark Elf's Castle 7 Clear

Paladin Specialty: Strength, Magic, Greatswords /Requirements: Monk Lv5 x White Mage Lv10

Dark Knight Specialty: Strength, Magic, Swords /Requirements: Warrior Lv5 x Black Mage Lv10

Dragoon Specialty: Strength, Dexterity, Spears /Requirements: Warrior Lv10 x Thief Lv10

Dancer Specialty: Dexterity, Magic, Daggers /Requirements: Thief Lv5 x Red Mage Lv10

Ninja Specialty: Strength, Dexterity, Katana /Requirements: Dancer Lv10 x Monk Lv10

Samurai Specialty: Strength, Dexterity, Katana /Requirements: Dragoon Lv10 x Warrior Lv15

Rune Knight Specialty: Strength, Magic, Greatswords /Requirements: Mystic Knight Lv5 x Paladin Lv5

Viking Specialty: Strength, Dexterity, Fists /Requirements: Berserker Lv10 x Hunter Lv5

Sword Saint Specialty: Strength, Dexterity, Greatswords /Requirements: Mystic Knight Lv10 x Samurai Lv10

Black Belt Specialty: Dexterity, Magic, Fists /Requirements: Berserker Lv5 x Dancer Lv5

Blacksmith Specialty: Dexterity, Staffs /Requirements: Mist Ruins 7 Clear

Machinist Specialty: Strength, Dexterity, Bows /Requirements: Blacksmith Lv5 x Berserker Lv15

Gambler Specialty: Dexterity, Daggers /Requirements: Great Forest 7 Clear

Assassin Specialty: Strength, Dexterity, Katana /Requirements: Ninja Lv15 x Gambler Lv10

Blue Mage Specialty: Dexterity, Magic, Swords /Requirements: Blacksmith Lv10 x Red Mage Lv15

Juggler Specialty: Dexterity, Daggers /Requirements: Prison Tower 7 Clear

Orator Specialty: Dexterity, Magic, Guns /Requirements: Juggler Lv10 x Gambler Lv15

Espritduo (talk) 02:13, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Angelo from FFVIIIEdit

Would you happen to know if Angelo's breed is ever specified in the FFVIII Ultimania or some other official material?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 23:48, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

It's not, as far as I can tell. I have no idea where the wiki got that info, which was why I got rid of it on a previous edit some time ago. Although, looking at the recent comments, they link to rinoa.nu as their source for reclaiming Angelo's breed. I happen to know Rinoa of rinoa.nu and can ask her personally where she got that info. She's a pretty faithful and die-hard FFVIII fan, and she has some pretty damn good sources for her info (she works in the gaming industry and has lots of Japanese friends and connections, and might have had a chance to ask Nomura personally for all I know!). I'll ask her and see what she says. Espritduo (talk) 03:31, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I talked to her and all I can say is that it is not in any Ultimania or official publication, but it is legit. So if you're looking for a source you're not going to get one. Sorry! Espritduo (talk) 09:03, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Nice detective work there. Too bad there is no source to cite.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 11:39, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

FF13 Edit

Have any FF13 Ultimania scans or info? Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:59, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Watcha looking for? I have the books, and some random scans that I believe I've already uploaded. Want me to scan or translate (*shudder*) anything in particular? School's got me pretty much locked down for now, but I can do a little something if you need me to. Espritduo (talk) 04:36, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Lightning's name in the Ultimania. Thanks in advance C A T U S E 04:39, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hah, I thought so. I was looking through the recent updates to see if there was a sticky issue currently on the table, and I noticed the talk page had some activity. Already looked it up and put my two cents in. As far as I can tell, she's never referred to as Lightning Farron, either in FFXIII or Dissidia 012 Ultimanias, just Lightning. Espritduo (talk) 04:52, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:07, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Excalibur IIEdit

How'd that 256 revolutions thing ever work out in the end? Did it work? Didn't it? Just curious. - 88.104.86.9 22:05, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I gave up on that when my PS2 died during the process.:) I can confirm that at least 128 revolutions won't do anything towards resetting the EXII trigger, heh. If I ever try it again, at least I only have 1 of the 2.5 years left to let run on that file. In fact, bringing it up again makes me feel like finishing it now. Espritduo (talk) 22:18, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ouch. Well, good luck if you do ever feel like finishing it. ^_^ - 88.104.86.9 22:44, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


Quick Reminder Before you UploadEdit

ACRudeBox

If the scans don't serve a purpose in any of our articles then they probably don't need to be hosted on the wiki. Artwork goes in articles the artwork is for.

That said, Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania, Talk:Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania. I'll be making some pages for Ultimanias some time soon. 79.69.204.22 19:09, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

The thing about artwork in the Ultimania is that the Ultimanias just happen to be the easiest place where people like me find large groupings of the concept art. The art itself is a separate thing that was created separately for a different purpose, and it's just that Ultimanias tend to be a sort of gathering place where much of the art is displayed. Full page scans of Ultimania pages would be connected to Ultimania-related wiki categories, but just a cropped image of, say, Nomura's concept art of a FFVII Behemoth, isn't just a FFVII Ultimania image, it's general concept art that happens to be featured in the FFVII Ultimania, but may also be found in any number of other places. Does that make sense? The concept art shouldn't be grouped by Ultimania, since it can appear in different Ultimanias, miscellaneous guides, artbooks, promotions, in-game art galleries, etc, etc. It should just remain in the artwork categories for each game. Don't worry though, I'll make sure to plunk them down on your Image Hosting Pages once I get them scanned.Espritduo (talk) 21:50, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

ACRudeBox

Your new scans are sexy. <3 Nice. Never seen those FFVI monster concepts before.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:30, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

This is just the beginning. The 25th Anniversary Ultimanias have TONS of monster concept artwork never seen before. It's about time the non-Amano monster artwork was released! Tons of previously unseen character sketches too. Want Daryl? Doctor Tot? Ellone? Cloud's mom? Tidus's mom? It's coming. Espritduo (talk) 15:36, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Do I want Daryl, Doctor Tot, Ellone, Cloud's mum and Tidus's mum you ask? Who's been leaking my sex fantasies again. That's some orgy right there.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:41, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

FF6 Art Edit

Keep 'em coming (please)! :D Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:02, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Lots more coming. Gotta scan them first though. Next up is the only previously unseen Amano artwork in the whole set of books (which is an odd omission, since it's just FFIII's Glasya Labolas), then about a dozen or so FFIII monster concept artworks, then a whole slew of FFV/VI monster concept artwork. Sadly, it's mostly FFV concept artwork. There's maybe a dozen FFVI monster artworks scattered throughout the FFV stuff (apparently Nomura did a lot of the FFV and FFVI monsters at the same time). They must be holding back on the really good FFVI stuff for the 30th Anniversary Ultimania. >_> Espritduo (talk) 16:17, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Makes sense, the art style reminds me of Nomura's FF7 enemy sketches. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:40, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Designer of Eald'narche and Kam'lanaut? Edit

I'm just a mite curious on who designed those little buggers. The sketching style does is reminiscent of Nomura who did but I don't think he has any recorded involvement in Final Fantasy XI. Anyway just a bit curious, thank you! Lycropath (talk) 11:33, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, Tetsuya Nomura was the lead character designer for humes and elvaans in FFXI, so he did do the designs for Kam'lanaut and Eald'narche. He did Prishe as well, which would explain why the three, along with Shantotto(courtesy of Nomura drawing her for Dissidia) are all present on this: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:FFXI_Character_Art_-_Nomura.jpg. Espritduo (talk) 14:22, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Ah thank you for responding! I knew I recognized that artwork, that's some info I don't think I have ever heard before either!Lycropath (talk) 20:42, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

ImagesEdit

Even if artwork can appear in multiple places, we still attribute artwork to where it was obtained from. You still have to use the {{Scan}} template. 79.69.202.27 01:47, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Will do. Is it just {{Scan}}, or do I have to pipe the game to it? I can't remember, but I think that's how that template worked, right? Espritduo (talk) 06:31, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Pipe the source (rather than the game) to it. So {{scan|Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania}} for example C A T U S E 06:35, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Aki Ross image. Edit

Hi.

You said that Square Enix published a fully nude image of Aki Ross? I'm not sure if I should upload even information about it, since my knowledge is limited at best, and besides which, the last time I tried to mention info relating to an image in an article, it got deleted because it apparently wasn't "notable." I'm certainly not going to locate, much less upload the image if it exists, again, due to my devotion to the Christian faith. I can't stop you or other users from uploading or posting such information on this site, anyway, and since you seem to be in a far better position of knowing, can you post the information in her article, whether it's in the trivia section or elsewhere in the article? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:39, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Well, they didn't actually publish it. It was leaked shortly after the Maxim photoshoot thing with her in the bikini. So, I doubt Square-Enix would want the image floating around on a wiki, or anywhere else for that matter, although I do have it on my hard drive (purely for historical records, of course). I believe it was just done for demonstration purposes within the company, to see how real a person they could make with their fancy new CG techniques. Like the FFVII PS3 demo just to see what the system could do. Anyways, while I'm fairly certain it's official Square-Enix work, they have obviously never owned up to it, so I don't think it has a place on the wiki, even as a passing mention. Espritduo (talk) 22:15, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Well, if it's not going to have an actual use, and it was leaked instead of actually being published and they aren't likely to own up to it, then that's a bit of a relief that I won't have to worry about mentioning it. Let's hope no one tries to mention it, though. If someone does end up uploading it, either you or someone else, and it doesn't end up deleted in a sufficient amount of time... well, I guess we will have to explain the image. I hope it doesn't happen, but I also anticipate that it might happen some time in the future. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:23, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
EDIT: Okay, on second thought, I did search, but not actually look at, to see which websites would have the images, although only because I wasn't sure whether someone wouldn't pass up an opportunity to locate and upload it. You know the old saying, "Know thy enemy." Since you mentioned the nude image to Henryacore in the topic, I wouldn't be surprised if a lurker or even registered users would end up getting the idea to mention, or even upload, the image in question if they haven't known about it earlier. Had I been someone who wanted to upload the image to this wiki, I'd probably use the old "it's an official Square Enix image" as a valid-enough excuse to upload the image. We have to be very careful mentioning these sorts of things, especially given the current nature of the internet where an incriminating video or image can be uploaded in less than a second after the remark. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
People are nude underneath their clothes. Get over it.
Also the wiki wants to know any SE official FF-related information. Forget sensitivity. 79.69.193.64 00:44, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Fine, I can't stop you guys from doing it, anyway, even if I did have any say in the manner. And I am perfectly aware that underneath clothing, people are bare. It's logical, anyways. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:55, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
I'd love to upload it, shaved bush and puffy nipples and all. The problem is I can't say with 100% certainty it is in fact official. I am 99% sure it is, but if you do a quick google search on the topic, you'll see there is some natural doubt, seeing as SE simply has never said a thing about it. It just popped up on the internet one day looking about as real as you could possible expect, like a nipple-slip or nude-bathing photo of a celebrity. Sure we're usually pretty sure those are legitimate images of said person taken and leaked by paparazzi, but we aren't100% sure are we? Anyways, since I'm personally confident it's really a leaked image made by Square, I don't care if it's on the wiki or not and I'll upload it on request...but I can almost guarantee if wikia sees it they'll demand it be deleted, regardless of our rationale. This ain't no dummied render. It's full-blown, super-realistic full nudity that is quite, well, erotic. You can call it a leaked tech demo all you want, but wikia is gonna call it pr0N and take it down. Espritduo (talk) 02:47, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
I also think it's prolly the real deal. And no one's come forward with "hey I made this fanart, isn't it great". Like it probably would be known who's made it by now. It's too bad we can't confirm in any way, since even without the pic it would make a good story for Aki's page.
Nice touch to make one boob bigger than the other. Pretty realistic.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 03:33, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Or just put black squares over the naughty bits. I'd link to an Uncyclopedia page that does that same thing, but Norton isn't letting me go on there, strangely enough. C A T U S E 06:12, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Like this?

http://www.espritduo.com/images/Aki%20Ross%20Nude%20(censored).jpg Espritduo (talk) 10:48, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The boxes need to say "TOO HOT FOR WIKIA" on them. :P But yeah, that should be OK for upload if we're gonna put it up. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 11:01, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
I actually tried out using Don Corneo's face for censors, too.
http://www.espritduo.com/images/Aki%20Ross%20Nude%20(Corneo'd).jpg Heh. 11:39, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
...That is more disturbing than I was expecting. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 11:42, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Hahahahaha that's perfect. Picture of the week material.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 13:48, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Best. Censorship. Ever. C A T U S E 18:12, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Eww, no! Uncensored stuff is probably bad, but if the best you can do is using a sexual pervert's face as a makeshift censor bar, then... I can't believe I'm actually going to say this, but if we were to only choose between the Corneo censor image and the uncensored image, it would be better off uploading it uncensored, as using a known serial rapist as a censor is just distasteful. It would be like trying to use Family Guy's Glenn Quagmire's dance after committing implied necrophilia as a censor for naughty bits on a nude picture, in otherwords completely tasteless and inappropriate censor. Black bars would probably suffice if we are to do it censored. Though I guess my input is meaningless if you've already decided. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:22, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I've got the black bar censored version linked right above the Corneo one. I'll leave it up to if and when someone decides to upload the image to the wiki to decide which one to use. Espritduo (talk) 19:26, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I for one am sceptical of its veracity. To name just one oddity, if we assume Square would have done such a thing properly, the fact that it is identical to the bikini renders is very suspicious. Not least that her breasts are in exactly the same place. That's not what breasts do when removed from a bikini top; they should be lower -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:48, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
EDIT: Stuff from IRC:
tl;dr Censored should not be uploaded; it's pointless. Uncensored upload is fine in principle, but only if we're absolutely 100% sure it's official. Which isn't likely to happen -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 20:06, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the general sentiment of leaving the whole thing alone, wiki-wise, which is why I haven't done anything with it here. But hey, there it is on my talk page for posterity if there ever comes a time we need such a thing. If it gets uploaded, in any form, then that's fine. If it doesn't, that's fine too, and probably for the best. And blue alien breasts are okay, cuz they're not human. It's like monkey breasts or something. Only hot. /stupid rationale Espritduo (talk) 20:14, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Personally, I would prefer it to be a faked image so it would be barred from upload. However, logically, if it were fake, whoever made the fake image would have probably claimed credit for it quite a while back: since the image first popped up I presume in 2001, since it popped up shortly after the release of the Maxim magazine that had her on the cover, which was in 2001, and it's now 2013, which makes it about 11 years, possibly 12 years, tops, that would make it being a fake extremely unlikely, as that's far too long to reveal a hoax. Then again, that Nathan guy did take about at least a decade or two to admit he falsified the stats when he argued for Roe v. Wade. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:23, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
I agree we leave the thing alone. We don't know it's official 100%, and if uploaded uncensored, wikia would make us censor it, which would make it serve the exact same purpose as the bikini render. So yeah, really no point in bothering with it. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 21:29, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Since wookieepedia apparently had an article on breasts, not to mention there were a lot of dirty images on Dragonball Wiki that actually came from Akira Toriyama's mangas and even the Dragon Ball franchises' various animes, I doubt the wikia would mind too much if that image was uploaded as long as it was at least official. Besides, there are a few images on this wiki that seem to be cutting it close in regards to being inappropriate due to nudity, close enough for the Wikia to probably have removed them a long time ago, in fact (Those artworks Maria apparently traversing a huge shallow lake while nude and Firion fighting a near-full frontal human female-like enemy from the Final Fantasy II novelization (the latter even showing her nipples, apparently), for one, plus the Final Fantasy VIII design of the Siren seems to have something that looks a bit too much like pubic hair for comfort.). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:45, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
ACRudeBox
Fine, I removed the line mentioning the dislike of nudity. Happy? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:57, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
ACRudeBox
Squabbling about Weedle's obsession with nude pics aside, Wikia does absolutely take issue with genitalia, Megami Tensei Wiki, for example, got into trouble with central over images of some of the more... provocative demons. We either upload it censored or not at all, and we're leaning toward "not at all". -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:06, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Odd, it didn't stop the Dragon Ball Wiki from uploading some images of nudity in the series (Such as Bulma showering or accidentially flashing Roshi completely, or heck, that image of Roshi's girlie centerfold in "Frieza's Counterattack." I think they got away with showing a picture of Baby Broly, as well) and some of the genitalia were actually exposed. Plus, that scan from the novel regarding Firion fighting a naked woman (of whom her nipples were blatantly exposed) wouldn't have been on here had that been the rule of the Wikia. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:15, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
They behave a bit oddly with it (like they do with nearly anything ToS related), but I think we can judge that a picture that is nothing but a full frontal shot is right out. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:17, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
The bug protests too much, me thinks. Espritduo (talk) 22:19, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, especially when that image of Firion fighting that woman in the novelization was extremely close to full-frontal nudity anyway. Probably the only reason it wasn't such was because her left leg was up at just enough of an angle to briefly cover the front of her hips. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:25, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sooooo? Edit

Can we at least put that info on the Final Fantasy X Weapons Trivia page then? It is trivial lol. Also, I want to put what abilities added to a weapon cause which weapon appearence.--Juicy Boy (talk) 19:08, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia =/= trivial info. Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:17, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
As Drake said, it's a little too trivial for mentioning. Every weapon in the series has its own, usually generic, strike graphic and sound. There's really no point describing all of them, unless the attack animation is of particular interest. for example, the Wyrmhero's Blade from FFXII has the attack sound of the sword from Dragon Quest. This is noteworthy trivia. Random bursts of energy or slashes is not.
Also, the weapon name>weapon appearance is already covered on the FFX weapon pages. EDIT: Or so I thought. It would seem which weapons use which weapon appearance is NOT on our FFX weapon page. Is it anywhere on here? Espritduo (talk) 19:23, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
No. 79.69.203.251 19:26, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
I would imagine it's one of those things we should cover but no one (read - GameFAQs and other sites who would document such things) has bothered to figure out so we have nothing to say on it. Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:27, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Well that's tragic. FFO did have that info all nice and neatly listed...but FFO's dead. I'm sure the FFX Battle Ultimania has it. I guess I can add that to my lists of things to do. :( Espritduo (talk) 19:35, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Have an archive. 79.69.203.251 19:39, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
So should we put said info in each characters individual weapons section on the FFX weapons page?--Juicy Boy (talk) 19:41, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, behold the power of the internet! Glad to see that info is still hanging around. And yeah, I would put them on their character pages under Battle Info. That's the first place I went to when I was looking to see if we had the info to begin with. It can go on the weapon list page, too, I imagine. Espritduo (talk) 19:45, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
SOOO!? Even though it is not exactly special, can we put the weapon animations in to, for fans who are uber observant like me, pretty please!!!!!????--Juicy Boy (talk) 19:48, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Unless the animation is something unusual, then no. It's gotta be note-worthy. Espritduo (talk) 19:53, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
The hit animation/sound is just an extension of what the weapon is. I don't see how it is that trivial. We should be extensive. 79.69.203.251 20:03, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
I agree in principle, but in application I'm not sure how we'd go about it. That's thousands of new gif images we'd have to track down, upload, and find a place for. I don't think actual word-for-word descriptions of the animation are worth putting up. ie "a yellow slash at a 45 degree angle accompanied by a metal-on-flesh sound effect". That's rubbish. Espritduo (talk) 20:08, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
We don't have to put sound and images, just descriptions like I was originally--Juicy Boy (talk) 20:12, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
But if we can, then why not? C A T U S E 20:25, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Animated gifs are the only thing I would support in this case, and even then it would have to be applied carefully so as to not overwhelm the useful info. Word for word descriptions of every weapon attack in the series would be repetitive, overly generic and uninformative, overly subjective (is it a slash or a strike? Is that sound metallic or wooden?) and take up too much space for such a trivial aspect of the series. There is a line between extensive coverage and excessive coverage, and I think this crosses that line. Espritduo (talk) 20:34, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Esprit... Edit

You wouldn't happen to have the FFVII Ultimania Omega, would you? It'd be helpful to settle an argument some random anon is having with JBed at Talk:Hidden (Element). -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:20, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Dissidia Edit

Happen to have the Dissidia Ultimania by chance? Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:27, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

I do. Wazzup? Espritduo (talk) 01:17, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Mythgraven Blade, I believe. Jimcloud 01:22, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
Pretty much - do WoL, OK or Cecil's profiles indicate that their weapons have names? Now that I think of it, Terra and Kain would be cool too, if you wouldn't mind. Doreiku Kuroofangu 01:34, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Early Sazh ConceptEdit

Hey, Espritduo. Since I you're our Ultimania source, do you think you could get Sazh's early concept art? The article states it's in the third volume and I don't know if you have it and/or scanned it already and uploaded. Thanks in advance.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 13:39, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Wow. What the hell. :D Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:03, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Got it. I'll upload it in a second. I figured I'd get everything else on that page while I was there too, so there'll be some interesting things coming. Also, I figured I'd scan that Pulse (the god) concept art while I was in the book, since, well, it's concept art of PULSE! Espritduo (talk) 22:50, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
WHAT!? You have a scan of a GOD!?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 22:58, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, hi, I'm a lurker and I really love that Sazh concept art! I would like to know if there's something worth to translate in it, I mean, what that thing in his back is suposed to be! Awesome alternate version, thanks A LOT!
Sorry I didn't get back on this, but the image explains that all his weapons attach to his coat via various mechanical mounts. For example, there's a mount on his shoulder for a small cannon and a mount on his arm for a shield. The other mounts, including the thing on his back, are for various other guns and weapons. Also, apparently his name was originally "Baz". Espritduo (talk) 01:49, February 24, 2013 (UTC)`

The rationale Edit

Is that skillsets should have their own pages rather than being tied to job pages. Which doesn't make much sense, since skillsets and jobs are intertwined in most games that have both, but ah well. C A T U S E 02:00, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't see the point of separating skillsets from jobs. They are, by definition, the set of skills associated with a job. If people want to make a separate page for them as a recurring kind of thing, I don't care, but they should also still be listed on the pages for the jobs that use that skillset. It's unbelievably stupid to not list what the job class can actually do on the job class page. It's like not listing what Cloud's limit breaks are on Cloud's page because we have a page for FFVII Limit Breaks. Sometimes a little redundancy isn't a mortal sin. Espritduo (talk) 02:07, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
Huh. Apparently we really don't list Cloud's limits on Cloud's own page. That is, I repeat, unbelievably stupid. Espritduo (talk)
ACRudeBox
I don't feel comfortable with it either. A job class is more or less defined by what skills it contains. Taking the most fundamental aspect of a page's content out and putting it somewhere else is well...you know. Although I will say that on reflection, I can understand the rationale of taking the limits out of Cloud's page. All seven are still mentioned on his page, and since Cloud's page is mainly a story-based one and not a gameplay mechanics-based one, there is justifiable reason to link to the more in-depth mechanical breakdowns on a separate page. But for job classes, there is no real story-content. They are purely game mechanics, and there is no reason to take the core of their mechanics off their page. Espritduo (talk) 02:19, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
ACRudeBox

Esprit, most places on the internet (I guess, I don't use other websites that often) would make a webpage for each character. On those pages there will probably be links to weapons info, ability info, and anything else.

On the FFWiki that is what we do. Except we don't have a sidebar, and instead we use sections on a page as a portal. It links to pages that specifically cover the data. We also give a brief explanation so people get some understanding on the page without having to see the skillset-- and if they want the details they can get them.

It's not hard, nor strange, nor stupid. 79.69.201.78 17:20, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Like I said, I can sort of see the rationale for a page like Cloud, but not for a job class page. You're gutting the page for no good reason when you take out the most important info, and most likely, the info the user came there to find in the first place. The entire point of the "portal" system is to save space and prevent pages from being bogged down with excessive mechanical info. When that mechanical info is the main point of the page, and the page isn't excessively long to begin with, you don't need to do such things. Espritduo (talk) 23:47, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, okay, I don't think I read all of the above. :p
In that case, my question is why is it a problem that the Tactics pages do not have the ability list on page, but it isn't a problem that they don't have equipment lists on? I know multiple jobs can equip the same weapon-types, but other than that it's essentially the same deal. A gameplay page that does not list full gameplay info (in fact, the Tactics pages (or at least the one I investigated) doesn't even link to the weapon list page-- not even in nav). 79.69.201.78 00:00, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
That is a problem, I agree. There should be a list of every item a job class can equip on that page. Unless the list is hundreds of items long...and then I might just go with listing weapon types (with mention of any individual exceptions), and having the type names link to the full list of weapons (FFXI's job classes, if we ever covered them in full, would be a prime target for such linking). Espritduo (talk) 00:06, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
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CCVII enemiesEdit

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We have the bulky worm, and the slim worm. But I can't tell which worms use which model. JBed (talk) 19:57, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Well, there are only 8 Worm-type enemies in Crisis Core, and three worm visual types. I think what you're looking at there is the same model, but with one in the process of "sucking in", and the other one not. For reference, here's the worms and models:

Worm/Sea Worm/Lava Worm/Lesser Worm - reddish model, the one above. I don't see any difference, even slightly, between the images of their models that I have. Land Worm - Greyish-colored worm Experiment No. 115/Worm Elite/Abyss Worm - green-striped model.

Hope that straightens things out. Espritduo (talk) 21:19, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Actually no. There are two worm "body-types", and three colour-schemes.
  • Bulky: The Land Worm (file 2455), and the bulky reddish worm (2382).
  • Slim: Green-striped (file 2413), and the slim reddish worm (2215).
There are two models for reddish worms. If what you say is true, and they happen to use two different models for when sucked-in and otherwise (unlikely), then green-striped worms are always "sucked-in", and the Land Worm never is. JBed (talk) 22:03, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, well...I can't see the difference between reddish worms from the images I have; however, apparently the Lesser Worm that is fought in Mission 6-6-3 is slightly different from the Lesser Worm fought in other missions (it has a Stun resistance of 100 and Recovery rate of 1.3). Also, to be perfectly specific, the Worm, Lava Worm, and the regular version or the Lesser Worm definitely use the same model, since their images are in the same position, and I can tell they are identical to themselves and the green-striped variety in shape. Compare these to the Land Worm, which, looking at it, I can see the differences in shape it has from all the other worms. Now, the Sea Worm is in a different position in (spitting its thread out) so I can't say for sure it is the same as the others, but the very fact that it is the only worm in this position is suspicious. Also, the Mission 6-6-3 variety of the Lesser Worm is in this same position (oddly, it is not listed as a separate enemy from the normal Lesser Worm in the Ultimania, but it is listed separately in the Dengeki strategy guide, which is honestly even more in depth than the Ultimania). If I had to guess, I'd say the Sea Worm and alternate Lesser Worm use the bulky model, and the other reddish worms use the slim one. Espritduo (talk) 22:27, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you knowEdit

These images are decent-sized: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:FFD_Megalodoth.png http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:FFD_Tokudaia.png

Great work with the isolating! (: Kimlasca warrior (talk) 00:28, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I'll go ahead and use them. Thanks!Espritduo (talk) 01:07, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Satisfaction Edit

I guess I can be satified, but I do believe that the party just chose to use Brahne's Escape pod, it makes alot more sense, and most in game eveidence suggests that, but still, I am satisfied.--Juicy Boy (talk) 02:46, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the game actually tells us that Cid used the Cargo Ship to make the Blue Narciss, and we gotta go with what the game outright tells us, even when there are inconsistencies. Most likely it was just the programmers being lazy and using the Blue Narciss as a convenient model for the scene, even though the thing hadn't actually been built yet. Espritduo (talk) 02:50, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

It does not, I just re did that entire section, all he said was, "I will ask Zebolt to service that ship we stole". That means they may have took the blue Narciss and used that instead.--Juicy Boy (talk) 17:17, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

13-2 Edit

Since you mentioned access to the Japanese guides, a question - does the XIII-2 guide mention if Lightning's new gunblade has a name? Doreiku Kuroofangu 17:32, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

I believe this question came up before...somewhere. I think it was on here. But the answer is...sort of? The concept artwork for it labels it as "Dual Weapon (Lightning's Weapon)". Nothing more than that. I guess that means you can call it a Dual Weapon. Like Genesis's rapier is a Rapier and Caius's sword is just Caius's Sword. Espritduo (talk) 00:53, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I've read somewhere that that's just what they called FF13's Gunblades in the Japanese version, unsure if it's true.
Another note, if you could perhaps look up some ability names :D (sorry, don't mean to lump work on you). I'm looking for the Japanese names of FF13's Librascope, Dissidia's Scan skill, Theatrhythm's Libra skill, FF11's Libra, TA2's Study and Gauge, and X-2's Libra/Scan/Ma'at's Feather. I've been looking into Analyze being split off and it does look like the Libra-like abilities listed are their own separate ability under Shiraberu/Miyaberu, but we don't have translations for the mentioned abilities so I'm not sure which they are. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:18, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Let's see:

  • FFXIII Librascope - ライブラスコ-プ (Librascope)
  • Dissidia Scan skill - みやぶる (Miyaburu) Miyaburu means to see through, find out, expose, etc. Shiruberu means more along the lines of to study, to sense, to examine.
  • Final Fantasy XI Libra - ライブラ (Libra)
  • FFTA2's Libra clan skill (I assume this what you mean) - ライブラ (Libra)
  • FFTA2's Gauge - みやぶる (Miyaburu)
  • FFX-2's Libra - ライブラ (Libra)
  • FFX-2's Scan- みやぶる (Miyaburu)
  • FFX-2's Ma'at's Feather - 看破! (Kanpo!) Means the same thing as Miyaburu. All of Paine's Full Throttle attacks are written this way in Japanese, with a two-kanji word followed by a !, to signify a terse command, like Stop! or Scan! There might be a more subtle Japanese intention going on behind these names, because of the way they use uncommon kanji and abbreviated commands, but that's beyond my knowledge of the intricacies of the language.
  • Theatrhythm's Libra - no idea. There is no guide for the game, and I actually haven't even played it yet! But given that SE has generally gotten their act together with translating Libra as Libra when it is called Libra, I would guess this really is called Libra. Espritduo (talk) 09:40, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks very much :) Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:05, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Alas, another, sorry. Would you happen to know the name ofr FF3's "Paean" song? It's effect is similar to Life's Anthem but we have no translation to check here. Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:03, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well, let's see. The NES version didn't have any actual songs. It only had the Sing (うたう) command, which took the place of the attack command (but did the same thing, dealt damage, but with status effects depending on the harp), the おどかす (odokasu) command, which we use the translation of Scare here, and the おうえん (ouen) command, which we call Cheer, although the word used for Cheer in the series (according to us, I haven't gone and checked this out), is はげます (hagemasu), which does mean basically the same thing, but is not actually the same word as the one used for FFIII.

Anyways, the names of the songs that were added to the DS version are (I'm gonna try and use the j template here, heh practice makes perfect):

  • (ぼうぎょのうた, bougyo no uta?, lit. Defense Song) - Minne
  • (こうげきのうた, kougeki no uta?, lit. Attack Song) - Minuet
  • (はめつのうた, hametsu no uta?, lit. Ruin Song) - Requiem
  • (いやしのうた, iyashi no uta?, lit. Healing Song) - Paeon
  • (まもりのうた, mamori no uta?, lit. Protect Song) - Elegy

Espritduo (talk) 05:43, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thanks again. Hate to be a pain in the ass, but unfortunately I'm into areas regarding games with inconsistent translations that have no real translation coverage here. :/ Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

More CCVII enemy qsEdit

Grangalan enemies. They have two halves, but is the top half parallel to the bottom? Like, the images of the Grangalans clearly show the top half and bottom half aren't connected, but is the height between the two halves consistent the whole way round?

Or are the two parts connected at the back, and instead they are like opening their mouth? Or maybe it's a mix, and the height between the top and bottom is just more at the front then it is at the back.

I can't tell from the images, and I can't find a video on YouTube. JBed (talk) 15:58, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Also, do the Funny Faces all use the smile face by default? 92.24.164.6 15:01, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

(thank god the wikia's actually working again!) I actually booted up the game to see for sure, but for Grangalans, they're default stance is to have the top half resting on the botton half, flush. When they attack (or pop out Jr's), they attack sort of like how a Hungry does, biting you like pacman with the bottom and top almost touching in the very back. When they cast spells, the top half hovers slightly above the bottom half, parallel. So, only when they are opening their mouths are the two halves not parallel with each other.

The Funny Faces all have the same face, even though the guides felt like being creative and giving a couple a different expression. The frown and :O faces are just part of their breath-blowing expression. Espritduo (talk) 00:00, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :)
Some other people have been having issues with Wikia too. I wasn't, but I imagine the Wikia editor was forever not loading? Maybe it was a browser-specific issue. JBed (talk) 00:31, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
It was horrible. And it wasn't just browser specific, at least, if it was, then it was specific to the two most-used browsers. I couldn't edit (half the time pages simply wouldn't respond to being clicked, other times it was the forever-loading thing), view multiple images on a page(like on the recent photos page), access any sub-tabs like my own user preferences or hidden tabs at the top of the screen, the wiki activity page didn't load earlier edits beyond the first page...and a litany of other things. Literally the only thing I could do was upload images from the Share Photo button(but I couldn't edit them after that!). I tried it in IE and Firefox, and on several completely separate computers, and it was the same. I also tried it on other wikias and it was the same there too. Don't know what wikia was doing, but I'm glad it's fixed now. Sheesh, what a pain. Espritduo (talk) 00:39, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

FF6 Edit

Just so it can be noted on the image description, happen to know what guidebook this is from? Also related questions, do any of your guidebooks give a detailed description of Kefka's backstory beyond what little we have? And do any of them have a timeline like this one? Doreiku Kuroofangu 18:11, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

If we could get articles for different FF artworks and guidebooks it would be super I think. So far we have just a few. I don't know how many people apart from you would be able to contribute to making those though.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:15, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

That image with Cid and Gestahl is from a book called Final Fantasy VI The Complete, page 182. The timeline is in the Settei Shiryou Hen (the most popular of the FFVI material books). I actually have my own translated version of it here :). That is just the primary timeline, though. Each region also has its own individual timeline that lists several important dates for that region specifically. Wolf Kanno, from EyesonFF (and an occasional poster here) was also interested in this info, and has pretty much all of it documented here.
And I would love for there to be an article for each and every one of these books (what do mean articles for artworks, though?). Problem is, I can translate little things here and there, but translating entire books is too much for me. I tried translating the Shiryou Settei Hen front to back a few years ago, but the task proved more daunting than I realized. At some point I would like to get the people over at lifestream.net actively interested in translating at least the major books, but as their own progress with FFVII books shows, even with a group of dedicated quality translators, it takes a LONG time and a lot of effort and dedication to fully translate a whole book, or even the salient points from it. And something else you may not be aware of, there are a helluva lot of FF books out there to translate.
I could make pages for them all, but they wouldn't really be much more than a stub with the books name, game, publisher, date, and a sentence or two on the basic layout. A lot of those really are just strategy guides (even the fancy books like the Settei Shiryou Hen are really just strategy guides with bonus info), but Japanese strategy guides are in a whole other world from English strategy guides. Still, one primary page like "List of Final Fantasy Books" might be at least something to use as a reference and starting point so we have something to point to for each book when these kinds of books need referencing (or at least proof they exist!). Maybe once I've completed a few of my other current projects here I'll do that to. Right now, I'm all about getting what useful and easy-to-get-at info I can from these books, which is ART ART ART ART! Espritduo (talk) 19:24, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
Anything about Kefka's backstory in any of those books? And yeah that timeline looks like the one we already have. Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:31, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
Whoops, I got carried away and forgot about that. But no, nothing more than what we already have. That particular part has been scoured by many an eye, including my own. So no, nothing about being from Thamasa or son of the Goddess Maria or molested or autistic or any of that baloney that used to run rampant on here. ;) 19:35, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
Ah well, thanks for checking. :) Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:36, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Raine's graveEdit

Raine&#039;s Grave FFVIII Art

This as Raine's grave artwork, has a plate that says "Julia Loire". O_O Uhh? Any story to go with this?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:46, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hah, yeah, I wasn't paying attention there. Actually reading the blurb, that is unused concept artwork for "Julia Loire's" grave that was later used for Raine Loire's grave in the ending. Also, thanks for linking those again. I was planning on doing that today, but it looks like you're beating me to it, as usual.... Espritduo (talk) 19:30, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

RenderEdit

Hi, dude. I needed the CG DS render...wait...that reminds me...thanks for reminding me. s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅03:19, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hi dude! You are awesome! That was a big help, really. Thank you so much. Can I upload it here? s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 04:53, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
Sure! I didn't upload it myself because I wasn't sure if it would be good enough or not to replace what we've already got. Also, it's really big, pushing up against the 5MB limit. If you want to upload it, just make sure you replace the jpg with the new png on all pages the jpg occurs(which may be a lot...). Espritduo (talk) 05:07, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

GrieverEdit

I know, bugs me too, especially since so much of it isn't really symbolism about Griever itself, but the symbolism of rings, the lion, etc...not to mention speculation. But that's the fun of having a FF8 fanboy standing guard over that area of the wiki ;p Doreiku Kuroofangu 14:22, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

The silly thing is anyone who is looking for info on Griever, the big flying lion thing you fight at the end of the game, is going to obviously go to that page first, since it holds the primary name for Griever, and will be promptly confused at its lack of any immediate info on the thing they were looking for. I don't know, it just seems silly having a page dedicated to the "idea" of something as it is used in a game. Ah well, what're gonna do? Espritduo (talk) 15:43, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
Well, now that I'm logged in, I'm gonna sharpen up my hatchet before I go for lunch and then class :) Doreiku Kuroofangu 15:47, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
Hah, I get the feeling that's gonna be reverted as soon as Netherith sees it. Espritduo (talk) 16:07, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Blood of BahamutEdit

Thanks for adding that stuff in. :) All of this Japan-exclusive stuff we don't have too many people who can add info on that.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:26, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

No problem, although not actually having the game makes it difficult. These giants are proving a bit more complex than our coverage let on, heh. I always loved the artwork of them, though. Espritduo (talk) 20:56, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the gold mine of concept images. Netherith (talk) 09:07, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure! I know you like the FFVIII stuffs, and I've still got the monster and GF artwork to scan and upload, so stay tuned! One thing I really wish I could figure out is what the source is for those color versions of Bahamut, Siren, and Elvoret. I cannot for the life of me find any trace of their true origin on the internet anywhere. It's killing me, because if I could find out where they came from, who knows what else I might find! I suspect it might have been naimoka, but then where did they get it from!? Espritduo (talk) 16:34, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

IX Weapon Artwork Edit

If you haven't found the IX Weapon Artwork images yet, they're hidden amongst the renders in Category:Final Fantasy IX Weapon Images, just so you know. Jimcloud 00:24, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Oi, I was afraid of that. Welp, can't be worse than FFVII's item artwork pages were. Thanks! Espritduo (talk) 00:25, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Kuja Artwork Edit

Thank you so much for finding and uploading that wonderful FFIX concept art, in particular the Kuja pieces. ☆¸☆
As a matter of curiosity, where are they from? The only concept art of Kuja I remember from my brief experience with an IX Ultimania was the Amano piece, and I don't recall hearing of anything from the 'Art of Final Fantasy IX' book.
Also, as they were uploaded on birthday, thank you for a most pleasant unexpected present :p
2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 04:17, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hah, yeah that was a funny coincidence. All of the recent artwork I've been uploading from the series is from the 25th Anniversary Memorial Ultimania. It was released around December and is three volumes covering the entire series up to FFXIV. The entire thing is just packed to the brim with artwork, artwork, artwork, much of which has never been released before. Espritduo (talk) 05:10, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
I thought it was interesting that the Treno Kuja did exist already as artwork, they didn't just make it up for Dissidia.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:50, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

X-2 International UltimaniaEdit

I assume you have the X-2 International Ultimania. In the X-2 Ultimania Omega, the bestiary continues from the game up to 255. Since there are new enemies in the International Ultimania, I will assume it will list these new enemies.

Does it feature these enemies? Does it/How does it number these enemies? Does it number them continuing from where the Ultimania Omega left off? If so, could you list these enemies and their numbers?

Thanks in advance. JBed (talk) 20:32, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yep, it starts at 256 and goes up to 306. Also, there is a second bestiary for the Yadonoki Tower versions of enemies. The battle system in there is completely different from the rest of the game, and enemies there have completely different stats. This goes from 1 to 91.
Here's the list of the regular additions, which are all Coliseum versions of old enemies, along with unique Coliseum enemies like Major Numerus.
  • 256. Iron Giant (Coliseum)
  • 257. White Fang (Coliseum)
  • 258. Zalamander (Coliseum)
  • 259. Stalwart (Coliseum)
  • 260. Shell Shocker (Coliseum)
  • 261. Guardian Beast (Coliseum)
  • 262. Haizhe (Coliseum)
  • 263. Deep Haizhe (Coliseum)
  • 264. Hrimthurs (Coliseum)
  • 265. Protochimera (Coliseum)
  • 266. Chocobo Eater (Coliseum)
  • 267. YSLS-99 (Coliseum)
  • 268. Battlesnake (Coliseum)
  • 269. Barbuta (Coliseum)
  • 270. Vertigo (Coliseum)
  • 271. Adamantoise (Coliseum)
  • 272. Aquila (Coliseum)
  • 273. Barong (Coliseum)
  • 274. Tentacles (Coliseum)
  • 275. Balivarha (Coliseum)
  • 276. Spine Drake (Coliseum)
  • 277. Chocobo (Coliseum A)
  • 278. Chocobo (Coliseum B)
  • 279. Cactuar (Coliseum)
  • 280. Garik Ronso (Coliseum)
  • 281. Elma (Coliseum)
  • 282. Yaibal (Coliseum)
  • 283. Lucil (Coliseum)
  • 284. Kimahri
  • 285. Lulu
  • 286. Baralai (Coliseum)
  • 287. Nooj (Coliseum)
  • 288. Gippal (Coliseum)
  • 289. Brother
  • 290. Buddy
  • 291. Goon Red
  • 292. Goon Black
  • 293. Goon Purple
  • 294. Strongest Shinra
  • 295. Seymour
  • 296. ???? (Tidus)
  • 297. Auron
  • 298. Major Numerus - Unum
  • 299. Major Numerus - Duo
  • 300. Major Numerus - Tria
  • 301. Major Numerus - Quartum
  • 302. Valefor (Coliseum)
  • 303. Ifrit (Coliseum)
  • 304. Ixion (Coliseum)
  • 305. Bahamut (Coliseum)
  • 306. Trema (Coliseum)

Give me a bit and I'll have the Yadonoki Tower ones up too. Espritduo (talk) 00:13, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

The Yadonoki Tower enemies are:

  • 1. Coyote
  • 2. Divebeak
  • 3. Ahriman
  • 4. Sallet
  • 5. Lesser Drake
  • 6. Vespa
  • 7. Machina Hunter
  • 8. Bully Cap
  • 9. Gecko
  • 10. Protean Gel
  • 11. White Fang
  • 12. Qactuar
  • 13. King Takouba
  • 14. Death Dauber
  • 15. Heavy Sallet
  • 16. Scout Machina
  • 17. Flan Azul
  • 18. Creeper
  • 19. Armet
  • 20. Gigas
  • 21. Pairika
  • 22. Peregrine
  • 23. Fly Eye
  • 24. Canis Major
  • 25. Flan Blanco
  • 26. Boris
  • 27. Assassin Bee
  • 28. Takouba
  • 29. Nashorn
  • 30. Gug
  • 31. Big Bully Cap
  • 32. Machina Ranger
  • 33. Wild Wolf
  • 34. Zurvan
  • 35. Flan Amarillo
  • 36. Bicocette
  • 37. Protochimera
  • 38. Bomb
  • 39. Guard Machina
  • 40. Coeurl
  • 41. Spine Drake
  • 42. Bolt Drake
  • 43. Agama
  • 44. YSLS 99
  • 45. Mycotoxin
  • 46. YAU-28
  • 47. Pop Fry
  • 48. Sahagin
  • 49. Quadricorn
  • 50. Flan Azabache
  • 51. Hug Bug
  • 52. King VERMIN!
  • 53. Flan Palido
  • 54. Balivarha
  • 55. YAU-71
  • 56. Detonator
  • 57. Varan
  • 58. Iron Giant
  • 59. Barbuta
  • 60. Shantak
  • 61. Hexapod
  • 62. Aranea
  • 63. Aculeate
  • 64. Taromaiti
  • 65. Purpurea
  • 66. Assault Machina
  • 67. Amorphous Gel
  • 68. Malboro
  • 69. Machina Soldier
  • 70. Skink
  • 71. YSLS-Zero
  • 72. Queen Coeurl
  • 73. Vertigo
  • 74. Rhyos
  • 75. Cactuar
  • 76. Hrimthurs
  • 77. Volcano
  • 78. Killer Hound
  • 79. Grim Gaze
  • 80. Behemoth
  • 81. Bascinet
  • 82. Elder Zurvan
  • 83. Tonberry
  • 84. Mega Tonberry
  • 85. (創始者, Soushisha?, lit. Creator) - No idea. Looks like Trema, has infinite HP, appears on all floors, and has a rather larger blurb describing the battle. I assume it is the tower creator, and this is some sort of special boss battle (maybe a punishment battle?). Don't quote me on that, though.
  • 86. Ochu
  • 87. Stalwart
  • 88. Tomb
  • 89. Ultima Weapon
  • 90. (インテルゲル, Interugeru?, lit. Integer?) - Looks like Major Numerus. Final boss of the Yadonoki Tower fought on Floor 80F. Also has Unum, Duo, Tria, Quartum listed as parts on top of the main Integer part as well, but none of these five parts are listed as separate entries and do not have separate HP, so I am assuming that while they attack separately and have separate stats, they aren't actually separate enemies that can be targeted. There's also a sixth part here, (パール, Pāru?, lit. Pearl?), which I have no idea about, not even if that is the proper translation, since it's not number-based. Pearl's all I can figure out, though, and Perl is a computer language, so....who knows. Reading a bit, it seems Integer is the main body, the four number-names are the four heads, and Pearl is the tail.
  • 91. (フラクトス, Furakutosu?, lit. Fractions?) - Seems to be some little bugger that accompanies Integer. Looks kinda like Lifeform Hojo NA without arms or anything, heh. Here's the image of it:
Fraction FFX-2

Aaand, that's everything in Yadonoki Tower! Espritduo (talk) 01:54, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I don't think we have any content about the enemies of Yadonoki Tower. Hopefully that will change with the HD re-release. 2.102.228.223 02:12, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

FFIX ArtworkEdit

Hey man, thanks for uploading all that FFIX artwork! It looks awesome (personal favourites are the Kuja ones). Hard to believe it took Square this long to release all that art... anyway, thanks again :) Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 22:34, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

It is hard to believe there was still so much that was unreleased from FFIX until now. I mean, we had the Art of Final Fantasy IX, AND the FFIX Visual Arts Collection, AND the World Preview edition of V-Jump, AND the FFIX Ultimania, AND the ton of Amano stuff from The Sky, AND the Kusanagi Studios artbooks....and yet there's still more new stuff in the 25th Anniversary Ultimania than all of them put together. I would have thought FFIX would be one of the FF's with the least new material, and yet it probably has the most. I still have loads and loads of artwork to scan and upload yet! @_@ Espritduo (talk) 22:52, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Rosa DS CG Render Edit

Hi Esprit, could you do Rosa's CG render as well please please? Like how you did the one for Kain? Please please pretty please s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 09:53, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try and get it done some time today. Hopefully it won't be as annoying as Kain's golden locks. Espritduo (talk) 20:39, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Turns out it was quite a bit easier than Kain, thankfully. Rosa CG. Espritduo (talk) 21:19, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a truckload, man! I owe you. s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 06:35, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

"Too vague a connection." You think so? Well shit, I thought I at least had SOMETHING there. --Christengo (talk) 02:09, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

She was. It's just a case of whether CLOUD was. Still, I wonder about that conclusion you reach there. --Christengo (talk) 04:30, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Dark Knight Cecil Render Edit

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:DK_Cecil_iOs_Render.PNG I spent hours in MS Paint clearing off the background. Could you please do this like how you did the CG renders? The current in-game render of DK cecil we have is really small...and I'd also like to upload in-game renders of the other characters if you'd make it a background-less png. s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 11:52, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Kelt beat me to it, heh. Espritduo (talk) 19:06, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
No no no, wait. I still feel that the resolution I'm getting from the screenshots are way too low. If I don't find someone here in the wiki who's got FFIV for Ipad (the resolution of the shots would be THOUSANDS!), I've no choice but to print the render out, scan it, since when you scan things with a scanner the resolution is going to be insanely huge. s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 10:07, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Extroverted. Edit

Hi.

I added the extroverted part into Kefka's article because earlier in the article, it described Kefka as loud, and I thought extroverted was a synonym for loud (it was at least the case for the Liquid Snake article). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:11, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Not even close, man. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:18, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Can I ask you to identify this? Edit

Sheep FFIX Art
You might remember this as the sheep you uploaded last month :P and I'm just going through the unused files, trying to find places for stuff. Is this some form of Yan, maybe early concept art? Because I need to put it somewhere, and Yan seems a likely place, but of course I should get confirmation from the Ultimania expert, and I don't remember seeing anything else in IX that resembles a sheep. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 20:03, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, just a plain ole' sheep. There's actually concept art (lol, wait til you see it) of both the Yan and friendly Yan in the enemy section I haven't gotten to yet(once finals week is done, I'm scanning like a fool, I promise!), so this really is just a sheep. Unused artwork, I assume, but it could have been the prototype of the Yan. Nothing in the books mentions that, though. The Japanese in the image says "manmatoiwanaide...manmatoiwanaide...manmatoiwanaide..." I honestly don't know what exactly that is trying to say. Do not say...manmato? Not sure what manmato is trying to say there. Google translate gives me "do not say hook, line, and sinker" ...which I have no idea how it gets that,and I certainly don't put much faith in google translate. It might be some kind of idiom in Japanese or something. Like, "do not look a gift horse in the mouth" or something. You know, nonsense unless you really know the language fluently.Espritduo (talk) 23:22, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, wow. Is there any place at all that we could put this image? I'd hate for it to be deleted, it's so cute ^_^ Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 23:25, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
There is a Sheep article...Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 23:33, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
I was meant to check that. Well that's handy. A section with a comment about artwork being produced but no Sheep appearing, and then comments about Yan being sheep-like. JBed (talk) 23:35, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

SNES era Final Fantasy concept Edit

Got any concept work from Final Fantasy 4 through 6 that'll be posted?

Also, I'd love to see anything else there might be from the PS1 era games, if there is anything more to be put up, and 10. TheSwedishElf (talk) 11:23, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

I've done pretty much all there is to do for FFI-VIII at this point. Still working on IX and up, though. Over this summer I should get all of that up at some point, I hope! Here's the categories for everything we've got on FFIV, V, and VI:
You can just replace the number in the link with whatever game to see the other games.

Espritduo (talk) 14:16, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

I'm leaving a bit late of a reply, I know, but thank you, Esprit, and thanks on behalf of all of us for all this beautiful rare artwork. You are credit to team! TheSwedishElf (talk) 02:58, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Work Edit

Hey Espritduo I was wondering if you have time to do some enemy renders. I have taken a screenshot of every single page in the FFIV iOS bestiary and you're the only person I can think of that can do the png work..help me please? If you agree, do you know of a place where we could exchange a lot of files then? s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 09:10, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

.....And, sorry for asking you to do more.png work: File:DK_Cecil_Stoned_ios.PNG I want the wiki to have petrified renders of everyone, so if you please~ The aesthetic improvement you give these renders are a really big help. s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 14:55, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well...I've got a lot of other things I'm going to be scanning this summer with the 25th Anniversary Ultimanias, but if the wiki has a use for all those enemy images, I can probably do it if they're as easy to remove the BG from as the FF Dimensions enemies are. You can just upload them here and I'll remove the backgrounds as you go, like I did with the FF Dimensions enemy sprites for Kimlasca Warrior. The question is, does the wiki want it? I'll make transparent png's for every enemy in the bestiary if we're going to have an iOS tab for the infoboxes where they can be put, but otherwise, it seems a lot a work for not much gain. The petrified renders are no problem, though. Just upload them here like you did the DK Cecil one and I or someone else can update them with the removed BG. Espritduo (talk) 17:03, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
Hey. I'm asking Xenomic's and other users' opinion on the iOS tab for the enemy tables..but even if they don't agree I am willing to fight for it. Even if all the statistical work is dumped on me. I'm sure the wiki would want it, Esprit. I'm very sure. Well, I don't know about the FFD ones, exactly how did Kimlasca send them to you? I mean, how did they look like? s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 18:50, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
He just uploaded screenshots of battles with the enemies to the wiki and I removed the background and updated them with the new version. And honestly, if the general opinion is the iOS versions aren't a big enough difference from the original DS versions to be worth using, then that's what I'll go with. Even if it only takes a couple minutes to remove the background for each enemy, that's a lot of work over a couple hundred enemies, especially if it's of questionable value. Espritduo (talk) 01:19, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
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I should warn you that taking a picture, then scanning that picture isn't going to increase the resolution at all. All you're doing is making the picture larger, not the dpi that made the original iOS image up. It's the same thing as simply resizing an image in photoshop. While it increases the image quantity, it won't do anything for image quality. The only way to do that is by having a higher resolution base source - like the ipad.Espritduo (talk) 18:50, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Edit

Everyone tells me that! Even my brain tells me it's not going to enlarge anything. Which reminds me...I'm gonna run a test first, okay, Esprit? I'll tell you whether I miserably fail or emerge victorious. Until then. s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 19:02, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: Hey. I had a picture of Genesis Rhapsodos printed 1/4 the size of my palm, the original picture size was about 250x100px. When I scanned it, it became the size of twice my face, 922x960 to be accurate, and no, it doesn't look like an overstretched jumble of meaningless pixels. Bottom line is, it wasn't as good as I thought it would be, but the improvement is more than acceptable. Look, I won't be able to give you something big like 3000x3000 or so. (I never planned to.) The largest I can give this way is maybe about 2000x2000..what do you think? (By the way, this is about the in-game character renders, and not the enemies. Like hell I would do this for every single enemy out there.) s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 19:16, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

More WorkEdit

Favor again Esprit, please? Could you please .png Paladin Cecil's CG DS render as well? Please~ s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 19:20, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Resizing doesn't necessarily destroy an image, and in fact, is a good idea if used on an image to make it just a little bit bigger, simply because larger things are easier to see than smaller things. But you don't need to scan a printed image to do that. You can just hit a button and resize in photoshop without wasting time (and quality) printing and scanning. If you don't have photoshop or something like it, just upload it as is, and if people feel it should be bigger they can do it themselves. As for Cecil, I'll see what I can do. Espritduo (talk) 21:28, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hi againEdit

Sadly, I do not have Photoshop. If I did, I wouldn't even resort to think of wasting globs and globs of printer ink. So yea, I'll just leave the resizing to you if you have time - talking about the enemy images and the in-game character renders. I can't print until 2nd week of May, anyway. But I also wanted to have hard copies of the party's renders, they're so kawaii~ Umm and about the enemy images, all I have to do is paint out the battle background (it comes in the Bestiary) to give you less work, then you'll do the .png job. They're larger than FFD enemies. And about the DS FFIV enemy images, they are ugly, that's undeniable. The graphics for iOS have been remastered, so it's really going to be very worth it, iPOD or iPAD. You have nearly hundreds of enemies to do, but it's worth it. And I'm still thinking about the iPAD thing....I'll hunt for someone on tumblr, maybe..but if I fail, then I'll give you all the screenshots. My point for the iPAD hunting thing is that it's such a waste if we couldn't obtain the best of the best. It just bothers me. Yes. Please do something about that paladin render. s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 07:42, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

P.S. The wiki needs File:Dragoon_iOS_FFIV_BOSS.PNG < - this more urgently..the wiki doesn't have a render for the Dragoon (Boss), so if you please. s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 12:15, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Long page is long Edit

Have you considered making an archive page for this talk page? Pretty soon it's going to kill load times, if it hasn't already. Jimcloud 08:42, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Esprit sure does love his paragraphs. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 10:32, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
I know my humongous speeches are guilty, but I won't apologize for them =P s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 12:16, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
I've been wanting to for a while now...but...I...I don't know how! ;_;Espritduo (talk) 12:25, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
Man, it's easy! Just cut all the contents of this very page, then dump them into a new page called "User talk:Espritduo/Archive 1". Doesn't sound so bad~ s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅ 13:53, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
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