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Maintenance Templates

I restructured the one Template (Incomplete Table) to resemble the other maintenance templates. Now, my current problem is the Stub template. My problem is that most maintenance templates are placed at the top of the page, but the Stub template tends to be placed at the bottom. That in mind, I think recreating it to resemble the other maintenance templates may be more difficult and perhaps more trouble than it is worth. Your thoughts? Drake Clawfang 17:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Stub template should remain the same IMO. Stub templates are always/usually like that. They aren't supposed to grab as much attention as templates like Expand and Cleanup are, so they're placed at the bottom of articles or sections. And having a big template at the bottom of a section isn't that clever TBH.  I Lion Heart I 17:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
"And having a big template at the bottom of a section isn't that clever TBH." Exactly why I came to speak to an Admin about it, those are my thoughts exactly. Drake Clawfang 17:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

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Wiki Problems

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Lol, got carried away with Rinoa on Dead Fantasy and the speculation about Seifer's Fire Cross didn't I? Thanks for taking the time to revise my newbie mistakes! ^^. Winged Lion 07:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem ^^U —BLUER一番 08:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I cannot speak for Bluer, but I'd personally rather see an overzealous mainspace editor than one who edits not at all. Drake Clawfang 08:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)




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Personnel page

excuse me, I wanna ask something... I was just comparing personnel pages with each other, and I noticed that some of them only have the "works in the FF series" part, while the others have both "works in the FF series" and "works in non FF-games". Do you think we should remove the "works in non FF-games" part in all pages to make them uniformed? or do you have any suggestion? thanks in advance oh, I have queries in Square wiki too... ^_^ - SilverSummoner 16:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

If you had checked, I removed the Non-Final Fantasy Works parts of their pages, since our sphere of information is limited only to the FF series. Also, check my talk in the Squarewiki. —BLUER一番 17:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
alright. thank you ^^ - SilverSummoner 02:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Bonga Bugle

Can someone have a chat with Blue Highwind about the quality of his news posts? Every time I see him treating the Bugle like his user page or a walkthrough, I die a little inside. Aren't there standard for posting news? Drake Clawfang 20:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Stop compromising my journalistic integrity, Drake. =D --BlueHighwind 20:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
What integrity? It's true, your news posts sound like they're ripped right from one of your userpage rants. Try to have some journalistic integrity first. Drake Clawfang 20:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
"You know all this Dissidia talk has been somewhat amusing. Yeah, I suppose it might be mildly entertaining to watch the Cloud of Darkness kick Tidus's ass and make him cry, but honestly I can't say I was too excited. There was FFVII, and a few highlights here and there, but by and large the cast sucked. Blame the series for having a long line of terrible heroes and only a select group of good villains, I suppose.
But this has finally gotten me excited! FFXII, so far the only main series game to be ignored (outside FFXIII, but that game doesn't even exist yet), has finally entered the fray with the appearance of Judge Gabranth talking with Cosmos (AKA: God) and Shantotto. But is it Noah, or Basch? Who knows?? Hopefully somebody will stand in opposition to him, for it wouldn't be fair for that mediocre piece of you-know-what, FFII to get a full presence while the shining glory that is FFXII to only get a last-minute add-on. "
Really, Blue. The news is for news, not for your rants about you not caring until now. Drake Clawfang 20:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Every sentence there was an honest-to-God fact. 100% true, every word. Each individual letter was bathed in the gold maisma of truthiness and honestarianism. But I will not give the names of my sources. You can throw me in jail, but you cannot defeat the power of the Fourth Estate! =) --BlueHighwind 20:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
He who is more Blue than thou, seems to disagree. Thank you. Drake Clawfang 20:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, oh, go shout your victory into the streets. But don't we all win in the end? --BlueHighwind 20:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
We have now. Drake Clawfang 20:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I find this discussion interesting as I was going to post a comment on the Bonga Bugle talk under "Can we ban BH from writing?", but thought that sounded too harsh.  I Lion Heart I 20:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, it seems I was wrong. Everybody wins but ILHI. --BlueHighwind 20:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


Not long ago you said that users should use four-tildes over three so the times are shown. I agree wholeheartedly as I find it a real pain not being able to know what time things were posted until someone has a usertalk template which shows this -- many do not.

But do you urge people to use the talk part of the template for time instead of nothing/secondary signature?  I Lion Heart I 17:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I urge people to practice standard wiki discussion policies - signing comments with the tildes. The whole point of this is so people know who said it and when, besides the what. I dun care if they wanna put nothing/secondary signatures, but that's how wiki discussion should be made - by leaving your name and the timestamp of your comments. —BLUER一番 17:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Translation help


Wee bit of inconvenience

Hmm. I would consider this an inconvenience. And I haven't found anywhere better to go. So here it is: I can log in to my account, and it will work fine. But if I change links, or try to open a new link on the site, I'm not logged in any more. Any ideas? And if possible, reply on my discussion page. User:Argazeth


I must have missed the part where you said exactly what the Dissidia character template can look like, but apparently you told BlueHighwind, so when did I miss that? As far as I'm concerned, my template has better coloring and structure than his, but apparently he has your backing on this, so I'm jumping over him to you. Explain to me why his design is better and why we can only use the infobox on certain pages because we're only allowed to use one infobox on a page. Drake Clawfang 23:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm saddened to see that Drake does not feel he can work things out with me one-on-one. But no matter, fixing a bad reputation is for later.
I merely used the colors based upon the Manual of Style, as per our wiki guidelines. I reverted Drake's edits because needlessly tampered with code that did not need to be changed "{{{image}}}" became "{{{Image}}}", thus causing coding problems. I added in that bars which I felt could fit something as brief as an infobox. "Fighting Style" is a little too complex for the space on the box. Though a compromise certainly can be worked out, which was what I was hoping we were going before Drake came to you. --BlueHighwind 23:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Conflicts are pains. Our colours are dull colours thankyou. Because brightness kills, and ALWAYS seems less professional. Don't ask why, but duller colours over bright always. We do it for all other games too so why should Dissidia be different?  I Lion Heart I 23:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
If you would have patience, I was going about fixing up the coding for the pages when you reverted the changes and made all my work meaningless. As for Fighting Style, if you'll look, they've described every character's fighting style - "Magic Master", "Smash and Blow", "Weapon Specialist", so forth. As for coloring, again, I want to know exactly where on the Manual of Style it says "you must use these colors". Show me exactly where. Drake Clawfang 23:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Really? Then it will be added. I thought it would require something more complex. By the way, Drake, its towards the bottom of the page. Its a big graph filled with colors. I'm sure you can't miss it: Final Fantasy Wiki: Manual of Style. --BlueHighwind 23:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
EDIT - We use bright colors for infoboxes all the time, ILHI. Drake Clawfang 00:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
No we don't. Only a few cases of light blue, and one bright orange to stop duplicate colours. Some are debatable but they are usually dulled down.  I Lion Heart I 00:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Uh, yes we do, we've always used colors that reflect the game's logo. Drake Clawfang 00:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
All of which could be brighter, but I find this nothing worth discussing when the Dissidia admin implemented Dissidia colours have been shown to you.  I Lion Heart I 00:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Bluerfn, for all intents and purposes, we've worked it out. I'm happy, I imagine Drake is happy, ILHI is unhappy (no surprise there). So you can just disregard this conversation. Or read it over for a good laugh. I know I got one. =) --BlueHighwind 00:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I will concede this, yes, now that the infobox has been expanded to more than just giving names and VAs. Colors, I can deal with. Good day to you, sir Highwind. I shall continue fixing the coding for the template now. Drake Clawfang 00:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Weapon Articles

I've recently slapped a VFD template on several Weapon articles, my concern for them being that they're not notable enough for their own pages. Some, like the Zodiac Spear or Mythgraven Sword, are rare or plot-important and warrant their own pages. Other's, like Abel's Lance, not so much.

That aside, my true concern here is that the Weapons template is getting crowded. I don't think every weapon should get its own page unless it's a recurring weapon or an exceptionally important/rare one, like the above examples. However, I don't think deleting articles is the answer either. Any ideas for reducing the size of the Template without reducing the number of Weapon articles? Drake Clawfang 07:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

EDIT - Taking a look about, I notice many of the weapons are recurring weapons only in the Ivalice games, and not in the others. Chirijiaden, for example. I don't wish to discriminate against the Alliance, but I think that's something to note. Drake Clawfang 07:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
A redirect should suffice. —BLUER一番 00:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Hm.... looking back, XII weapon articles were created along with the requirements on how to obtain them. I believe that warrants its own article. —BLUER一番 00:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

FFVII:BC Enemies

Recently BH created the List of Before Crisis -Final Fantasy VII- Enemies. Which I believe we needed, however, it raises some concerns. Before Crisis is within our scope I believe, but it is a Japanese only game. May I direct your attention to the talk and ask your opinion on whether to make the pages, if-so under what name, and what to put on the List of page. I'm not so informed about Before Crisis myself.  I Lion Heart I 18:42, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

The New Test Templates

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Dissidia Characters Infobox

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Template talk:Dissidia CharacterBLUER一番 00:24, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Huh. Where was I? Too bad everyone ignored the conversation or I might have seen it on Recent Changes. Well, I can't really argue against that, except for the fact that I thought all playable characters got infoboxes. I guess that rule is kaputz now? --BlueHighwind 00:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
You're my hero Bluer! Good job on destroying that monument to uglyness!!! Great job on restoring the light of the crys...I mean, character articles! LONG LIVE BLUER! : D - Henryacores^ 00:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
What Henry said, tahnk you the Gabranth article was starting to look all weird, becuase of that template.--Ratatosk/Zolo 00:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

mass-vfd of maps

Please un-vfd these. This issue was discussed months ago in the IRC channel. They're too valuable to be deleted. Besides, when I decided to make separate smaller-dimensions thumbnails versions on the logic that they can be deleted when the thumbnail backend is fixed, I discussed it with Diablocon and practically everyone in the channel first. - Gilgamesh 04:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I have contacted Wikia over this matter, and a staff suggests that there is no need for such large images when smaller, more manageable sized images could illustrate the game better. —BLUER一番 04:41, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Additionally, if you feel strongly about these images, I recommend uploading it in a file-sharing/image-hosting website instead. You may then link them in your userpage. BTW, "too valuable" is a bit subjective... —BLUER一番 05:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I have a suggested compromise. Large maps could be split up into four quadrants, each 2048x2048 pixels, and then thumbnailed together directly touching each other. If this ends up tenable, they could replace the other versions entirely while losing nothing, and placing less simultaneous strain on Wikia's software. - Gilgamesh 08:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I could even design a template to embed a map's four quadrants all at once so they appear as one thumbnail but are actually four. With supports, these can be used in image boxes in articles as well. The image boxes with captains themselves are already template-like in nature and can be reproduced to suppose four quadrant thumbnails. - Gilgamesh 08:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Done. Template:thumbquad. Plug in the proper arguments as specified and it works marvelously. It works either as an inline meta-image or a left/right aligned floating image with caption. - Gilgamesh 10:26, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
This much trouble for just an image? ...I'm sorry, but we'd like to keep the wiki simple for editing. You may upload them to another hosting server. —BLUER一番 10:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


As you may have witnessed, I have been tweaking the navitemps by removing the toccolours class. It does minimal changes really - in Firefox it makes the navitemp closer to the templates' appearance in IE. Other than that, if you have new design ideas please put forward and I'll deliberate on 'em. —BLUER一番 06:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Ring of Fates enemies

Excuse me Bluer-san, I have queries regarding RoF bestiary. Some of the enemies make appearances few times in the games, and all with slightly different stats. I've tried to put it in one table, but it makes the page looked complicated (and will make anyone who read it feels dizzy). Should I put them in different pages or do you have any better ideas? - SilverSummoner 07:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure how enemies in RoF work? If their appearance is akin to bosses fought twice or four times, you may follow the Edea (Boss) page. —BLUER一番 10:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:O -- I thought out standard was collapsible tables! Do you want me to change Edea's page to use collapsible sections or do you actually prefer that look?  I Lion Heart I 12:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I prefer the present look - without collapsible sections; although I could understand why we use them for the titles with remakes, the rest isn't necessary. —BLUER一番 12:32, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Bluer-senpai, which one do you think will be good? this one or this one? the former is a bit confusing to read, but the later will take more spaces.... - SilverSummoner 09:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC) EDIT: seems you're rarely drop by Square wiki? I've created some of personnel articles there. Quite crappy, but I hope it's okay... ^^;

Deleting comments

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FF4 Character Template

The new version you created has a different image set-up than the previous template, and thus far only Cecil and Kain have been edited to fit the new template. Should we change the pages and keep the template as is, or edit the template to re-include the abandoned sprite images? A set-up similar to the FF6 boxes, I should think would work, simply with the artwork instead of the portrait and two sprites instead of one (if there are indeed two to be used). Drake Clawfang 17:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Whipped up a sandbox. Drake Clawfang 07:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Since the FFIV character have their own artwork per IVDS, the artwork goes into the infobox. Else, it would character portrait sprites. —BLUER一番 09:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
The idea is sprites and artworks and whatnot go into a Gallery section, like I said in Diablo's talk. —BLUER一番 09:09, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


What the hell? What the hell? A nomination for deletion means we're supposed to discuss it. I left a message in Template talk:jpn. You didn't respond. There was no further discussion. There was no vote. And you just delete it? You didn't even read the talk page? My reason for keeping it was because it's not redundant, for two reasons: (1) Using lang="ja", it's an elegant and standards-compliant way for the browser to first use any special settings it might have to optimize the display of text in that particularly language—namely, Japanese, whose display language code is ja. Most browsers today have specialized settings for detecting and displaying languages in multiple different ways. (2) The Final Fantasy Wiki is a CSS-based display system. The template invoked the class="jpn" CSS class, which if the default style sheet does not apply, then user style sheets will (such as my own User:Gilgameshkun/monaco.css which explicitly defines behavior for the style class). But you didn't even raise the issue—you just decided yourself alone that it was redundant for the most superficial of reasons, and then you deleted it. I'm recreating the template right now, and you better discuss it if you have a problem with it. - Gilgamesh 09:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

...Ugh, another block of text... Already discussed with a bureaucrat that it's redundant - said users can either install multiple language setting or tweak their own css, from which the code they can get from you. Also, I tweaked and recat it since we're not going to use it anywhere within the wiki. That, and your tone of writing in that last few sentences wasn't... agreeable . —BLUER一番 09:33, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Of course it wasn't agreeable—a vfd is implicitly with the understanding of a discussion, rather than a unilateral deletion to follow, and a sudden undiscussed deletion is alarming, especially when the template is still embedded on other pages (such as the FF1 and FF6 game scripts I added to the site). My tone is bent and sour precisely because you're treating me like I don't know what I'm doing or what I'm talking about when I actually have a lot of experience with this stuff and with MediaWiki in general. My tone is bad because your actions are slapping me in the face. Anyone's tone would become disagreeable if you treat them like that.
Don't you know that IE6 and before have significant problems with font display? The standard behavior is, for each character of text, to test if the specified font supports the character, and if not, to fall back to another font. In a compliant browser this will display the Japanese text somehow. But in IE6 and before, it shows Japanese text as boxes because it didn't fallback on other fonts if the specified font didn't support it. Granted, there are many users who routinely upgrade browsers, but there are going to be users who don't, and the Japanese text will appear undisplayable for them if they still use IE6. Sometimes, relying on the browser or global CSS isn't enough. When IE6 usage statistics finally drop to zero, then it won't be much of an issue. - Gilgamesh 12:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Template moved under userspace. Unless a template is going to be used wiki-wide, we're not keeping it under template namespace. Regards —BLUER一番 03:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Table Widths


about mio image

nah... can I ask you to delete it? I have found a better image to use... ^^ - SilverSummonerTaLk 07:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

wait wait wait.. don't delete it. I guess I'll just upload the new version of it. - SilverSummonerTaLk 07:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok. —BLUER一番 13:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


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Elaborate please. The talk page for Summoner works fine and I've checked every other talk page for articles called Summoner, so I can only assume you are refering to a user. Diablocon 17:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Oops, my mistake. Sorry1stclasswarrior 17:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Huh, okay. —BLUER一番 13:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


Template:RihyaTalkbox2 This is something either TA or ILHI is good at. Please ask either one or both, thanks. —BLUER一番 05:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Awesome userpage

Some Color Mage / Talk Contribs / Let's Stream Random PS4 Crap. / No time. I don't really care.
Seeing as nobody has mentioned it yet, I will be the first. Your current userpage is awesome.


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TA and the Colosseum

His latest escapades. I'm wondering if the other Admins have any comment on this. Drake Clawfang 00:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Probably there's bits in the page history that can explain them *shrugs* I don't really hang out there much. —BLUER一番 01:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Mainspace deletion

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Item pages (and magic too)

Hey Bluerfn... I've been chatting a bit with some of the other users around here, and it seems like the general consensus is to *not* have separate pages for items that only appear in one game. I believe the same thing has been played out with Magic spells as well. On one hand, game-specific information (which, arguably, players may need/want) is much easier to organize and can look a lot nicer (with infoboxes and such) if there's separate pages. But, on the other hand, it can make the site swell quite a bit. I was just curious what your opinion was on the subject - specifically whether you think the information is worth including in this wikia. Thanks in advance, --Diagnosed as Sound 17:04, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe no. The sheer number of non-recurring items in all the serioes is not equal to the volume of information of the specific non-recurring item. Example: Hungry Cookpot. It's a GF item in FFVIII, it teaches the Devour ability, it is obtained from refining PuPu's card. Anything else? Nope, that's all there is. Worth a separate page? No. Which is why none-recurring items go in a list, where a table can sort them out. —BLUER一番 17:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. --Diagnosed as Sound 19:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Project Userspace

I think I'm done. The only templates still in template space I didn't want to decide on. This is Template:KainFact and Template:Drake's Walkthrough Enemies. The former is a template other people use and have contributed to. The latter is used on several of Drake's walkthroughs. For KainFact, there is the possibility to move it to Fae's userspace, however, although he started it all, it's a community kind of thing. With the second one, I'd probably suggest moving to Drake's userspace, however this will be unlike all other walkthrough templates which stay within template space. I was going to ask both Fae and Drake about their respective templates and whether they mind it being in their userspace: but if they said no I'd be in the same position I am now.

There are also some templates left from that short "Clan" fad we had, which are like userboxes so I haven't moved them. Template:TA is a template which used {{#if}} to decide whether TA wants to use his talk template or his signature: so it is just like a UserTalk template, and then some. Although is UserTalk and sig therefore don't need to remain in template space. Template:X and Y can stay, because of their possible ranged use, as for Template:Iseewhatyoudidthere. Renmiri has a few templates used to subst once upon a time; as well as Template:FFX resc; which we could subst into the images; or move it out of User templates because the images have been used outside.

There's another few templates like Template:Gamer Walkthrough Boss which I don't have enough informations to decide where to move it to exactly; s'pose I should ask. We also have various userboxes in there, as well as some Walkthrough templates used by a wide range of users. We could just move them to walkthrough space, but I'm not sure.

There's also the decision of whether we cut the template up. I have many of user templates which I don't categorise there, and I'm sure there are others. These probably only are categorised because they were uncategorised templates. Do we decategorise them?  I Lion Heart I 15:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

RE:Mother 3

Sorry, I meant the game you apply the patch to, not the site you can download the patch from. Sorry, should have made it clearer.-- 07:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, not sure on that one. —BLUER一番 07:06, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I get what the guy means. No, we cannot say where to find any ROM files, as it is illegal and will get Wikia very annoyed at us. --SCM 08:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandal problem

We're having a lot of problems with a vandal, Could you get rid of him please? --SCM 05:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

FFX-2 Missions


When Making Dups in PNG Format....

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I think it's time we get an administrator's opinion on this. Here:

User talk:Ryushikaze, Talk:First Tsurugi

Basically, he's claiming that First Tsurugi is a mistranslation, or misunderstanding of Nomura, or something. Bottom line, he claims that the sword set is not called "First Tsurugi", and is called "fusion swords" because no official name is given for them. To back this up, thus far he's offered up one reliable source referring to them as fusion swords, and another dubious source or two to explain why it's not First Tsurugi. He's lately made a point of going around the articles and changing the links to "fusion sword(s)". Since this is quickly getting out of hand, I come to you and ask for your opinion on what is to be done. Drake Clawfang 16:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Replied. In my opinion, official publications from Square Enix is the way to go. BLUER一番 17:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

P4 and other discussions

Sorry for doing the awards thing. Since I assume u like P4, can you help me. I have 3 days until Kanji dies and my characters are under leveled, leaving me decimated in the bathhouse. And the stupid Hermit card made my map dissapear. UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh Materiasdraw 01:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, those Arcana effects will revert after awhile, so I wouldn't worry. Anyway, if you're underleveled, go and grind at Yukiko's castle upper floors or Kanji's sauna lower floors until you're like level 25 or so.. hahaha. I usually rely on Fortune or Death arcana chances - upright, they'll replenish my SP and I can heal and then continue grinding. Good thing about the dungeons is that the characters don't tire, unlike in P3. Hope that helps, because the fight against Kanji's shadow is quite tough, they say.BLUER一番 11:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)



Hey, just curious as to why Final Fantasy: Zero was moved out of fandom. I know the reason was that it didn't go with the nessecities for "Fandom" status. But out of curiosity, why does Endless Nova get a place and not Zero? I'm not complaining I'd just like to know what I'd have to do to get it as fandom status.





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