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Yuna's PictureEdit

I put the rare Amano sketch of Yuna on this page. I have some more rare Amano sketches as well from the Nomura games.
Crazyswordsman 07:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

About Yuna's Mother's DeathEdit

When do you learn how Yuna's mother was killed?
--Puck Udroc 22:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I THINK I remember it from FFX-2 someplace...
--Auron Kaizer 22:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
More importantly, wasn't she killed by Sin while on a boat..?
--Hecko X 22:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I am almost positive her death is not mentioned.
--Puck Udroc 22:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
You may be right but...ask on the GameFaqs forums maybe? I want closure!
--Auron Kaizer 22:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm getting rid of t for now, since it is undecided, therefore not a fact.
--Puck Udroc 22:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Give me a month to finish FFX and X-2.
Armond 22:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I’m almost 100% positive that it doesn't say that anywhere. I’ve been playing X a lot and am sure it isn't there and I just finished X-2 at 97% and I didn't see anything in there.
--$ Insert formula here $

I think Sin DID kill her. I think I remember that being the reason Braska became a Summoner.
Crazyswordsman 02:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It might have been the reason but it is never stated.
--Puck Udroc 02:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll have to ask my FFX buff friend about this matter.
Crazyswordsman 02:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Dude, you're talking to an FFX buff. I have so many resources to give me my knowledge. Over Twenty saves at different points in the game, a strategy guide book, a book about the game, a full script of the game, three on-line guides about the game, this site, Wikipedia, another on-line site, and the fact I've played it a million times.
--Puck Udroc 02:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, I used to know a guy who had 99 saves - he claimed it was one for each save sphere. I'm not too sure about it myself, but he obsessed over the game so much that I wouldn't be too surprised if every time he updated something he went around saving to every sphere. Now to get far enough in the game to be able to do that myself. :P
Armond 03:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I think I have some vague memories about Rin saying something...hmmm.
--Auron Kaizer 18:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I am nearly 100% positive that Rin doesn't. If you can remember which game, I can check it in a day or two.

No it does say in the game, like if you talk to a blitzball player or something.. or an albhed i don't remember but i am positive someone told you that yunas mother was going back to visit the al bhed hoping they would accept her.. then sin attacked the ship and she died yeah ^^;; --muffin 2 march 2010

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Rin does say something about her mother died. He tells Tidus on the airship why her father took it upon himself to defeat Sin though he was a "black sheep summoner" for marring a Al' Bhed. I believe it's after they blow up Home I can't remember where but they do in fact say how her mom dies and Tidus makes a comment something along the line of how Spira is cought in a endless cirlce of death cause of Sin and all the pain on Spira is cause of Sin cause of his father.



Yuna just a SummonerEdit

I know she starts with Cure and Esuna, but keep in mind that everyone can learn White Magic via: Master Spheres, White Magic Spheres, and moving to and using an Ability Sphere. I won't change it, but I say they gave her it because you'll almost always need a White Magic user that heals. She's not considered a full White Summoner like Garnet/Eiko though. (although Hecko X pointed out that they didn't title these two for this Job Class.):
--LuvLuv G2000 01:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

We're talking about the main sphere routes for each character here: Time Magic for Tidus, White Magic for Yuna, no deviation stuff like that. --Auron Kaizer 14:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
What I pointed out was that the "White Summoner" is a non-existing job class thought up by fans (and it's not really that well thought up either). Also, Garnet is primarily a Summoner, who uses white magic as a secondary skill, while Eiko is primarily a White Mage, who can use summon magic. It may seem minute, but it's a pretty big difference. --Hecko X 16:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I reverted Garnet's page, and Eiko's. -Eileen-

White Summoner... lol. That's like calling Rydia a Black Summoner, and she's clearly white... (Laughter in the background)--Goldberry2000 09:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Racism jokes? :P --Auron Kaizer 13:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Laughing at Racism, not laughing at Race.--Goldberry2000 17:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, to be pedantic, I think it was race related, but not racist. Racism denotes discrimination or prejudice, this is simple semantics --StijnX 18:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Who the fuck cares if she's a Summmoner, White Summmoner or a godamn Pictomancer? Man you guys must be losers if you'd spend even a second debating this meaningless topic. (BlueHighwind 01:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC))


Does her father say anything? Edit

Does Yuna's father say anything to her during the battle with Vegnagun? I think the game book said he does. I NEED HELP!

I think so. I wasn't able to make out most of what they said because it wasn't subtitled. I hate it when stuff isn't subtitled. --Auron Kaizer 22:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
"Don't be afraid, Yuna. Your friends are your strength." --Hecko X 11:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Smeg's Weapon InfoEdit

In response to Smeg's question from the edit summary, I think it looks better with the two columns than the three columns. Even if they are longer, I think it's more important that the information isn't so squished together. So, there ya go. Nice job! ^_^Mymindislost 01:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, I'll continue on my merry way then :) --SmegHead 02:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Now that is some grade A designed shit! Nice wark. --Auron Kaizer 03:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Yuna's Eyes Edit

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Yes. Isn't it mentioned in the article? Yuna has the Green Al-Bhed eye because she's half Al-Bhed. 2127 22:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Edit Conflict. Yeah, I noticed that. It's green because she's Al-Bhed though, I'm pretty sure of that. 2127 22:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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I would like to emphasize this: YUNA. IS. NOT. REAL. She isn't a living, breathing human. Therefore the 6 inches a year thing doesn't apply to her. Remember Marlene? Her hair was a completely different shade of brown in AC. AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 01:30, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blue Gallery Picture Edit

Griever Emblem

Ronso Statue Edit

You know how the Ronso in FFX (after the Biran and Yenke fight) said that they'd make a statue of Yuna with a "grand horn on [her] head"?

Doesn't a summoner with a horn... you know... sound familiar? Is this notable as trivia? --Orohu 03:08, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

This is an allusion to the fact that classic Summoner jobs have a single horn. It's already mentioned in Summoner (Final Fantasy X) :D BLUER一番 03:11, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
Ah, okay. At least it was notable enough to be somewhere. Thanks! ^_^ --Orohu 03:30, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Could that also be a reference to Dagger/Garnet, the summoner of FFIX? you know, since when she was a child she did have a horn? Ixbran 07:03, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Uhhh, no. A reference to a recurring feature is not automatically a reference to any one example of that recurring feature or lack thereof. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 07:05, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Okay ... no need to be snippy about it, i was just trying to help. Ixbran 07:17, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Dead Fantasy Edit

Why is this here? This is supposed to be the wiki that deals with the facts about the series, not fanfics. Why don't you mention every other fanfic that has ever been written about Final Fantasy?--ShadowsTwilight 17:24, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Because other fanworks aren't as notable as Dead Fantasy. The FFWiki covers all aspects of Final Fantasy, also fandom. That's why 8 bit Theater, Dead Fantasy and Piano Squall are covered. The difficulty is of cours that who decides what is notable enough. It is a bit of a case by case thing, but if it is "widely known" among the fandom it is notable enough to be covered.(sorry looks like I'm not logged in but the glitch signs my name anyway, cool ;)) 17:38, November 12, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
This is not a fanon. Fanfics shouldn't have a place here at all, regardless of how "notable" they are.--ShadowsTwilight 17:46, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
Well that's not for you to decide. The community has decided that fandom is included in FFWiki's scope.Keltainentoukokuu 18:04, November 12, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

Yuna in Dissidia 012? Edit --BlazeStrife 04:52, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

We need more than twitter messages from people who are at the festa to confirm anything. We can't say till we get something official, like a scan or a release from someone actually getting paid by Square. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo 04:56, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
I am of agreement with Jim. There is no solid proof of evidence that she is the next confirmed character. Until we get a picture or something besides peoples word for it, it may be something to go on. Otherwise it might increase her chances of making, but FFX fans should not get their hopes up so high that it'll drop it suddenly it was discovered to be someone else. Razordash 05:05, December 18, 2010 (UTC) Don't know if this could be true, just want to make sure. I've been seeing this kind of stuff all day, yet nothing's going on on the Wiki. No claims or disclaims. Dakk Tribal 00:49, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

While scouring the net this morning, i found a forum where this user said that SE went and asked Yuna's original voice actor to voice Yuna for duodecim, but find out she retired some years back. I'll check back later to see if he had found the page. Dakk Tribal 17:55, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
There won't be anything until we actually see Yuna. - Henryacores^ 18:14, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
Touche, sadly, but I'll keep my search up until then.Dakk Tribal 18:17, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

The jump festa trailer is out in the japanese website. It shows Yuna's feet walking on water with her FFX outfit (same skirt patterns) BlazeStrife 11:49, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Someone wrote that Yuna 'is confirmed as a playable character' in Dissidia 012in her page. Did some editing there. Although the Jump Festa trailer suggests that she will appear in the game, there is no official confirmation. Hate me for saying so, but we don't have the right information yet to ultimately use the word 'confirmed'. Rivan Pneuma 17:16, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure once the new Famitsu issue is released, we'll know for sure. Only question is: when does it come out? "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 19:13, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

dont they normally come out on Tuesdays or Thursdays? Ixbran 07:00, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

@Rivan: Really? What more could you ask for? They teased her as a new character. It's official; it's confirmation of her appearance; it's safe to assume she, like everyone else, will be playable. What part of that does not lend itself to official confirmation? Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 07:08, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

[Here's the page in its entirely]. 07:09, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I think maybe NOW we have enough info for a Yuna/Dissidia (PSP) page thanks to Famitsu. Thoughts? TheRealAtman 23:29, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Don't think it's necessary yet, we haven't seen her battle yet or anything. Don't be in such a hurry. Aside from that, can anyone tell me where the CG picture in the article comes from ? Can't seem to find it anywhere but here. Alarielle 13:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

VA change. Edit

At risk of opening things up for an edit war, a Japanese friend of mine said they were changing Yuna's Japanese VA to Aya Hirano for this game. I have no reason to believe she's lying to me, since she'd never heard of her, but can someone confirm this? Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 16:30, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Since we haven't even heard her talk yet, I believe it's not really useful to mention it ; and anyway it would be mentioned on a Dissidia subpage, which hasn't been created for Yuna yet. So, can't confirm on infirm, but I think it's too early to be relevant. Alarielle 16:43, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
Aya voiced Prishe. AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 23:45, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Dissidia 012 Valefor & EX Mode Edit

I watched on YouTube a movie where Yuna is better shown. From what I've seen her EX Mode seems to be high summoner as she didn't equip Nirvana upon entering EX Mode. Also Valefor is there; probably using Sonic Wings as Brave Attack. Please tell me if something's wrong.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 17:04, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Midgame troubles Edit


AND WHAT IS THIS!!!!! (I thought she loves Tidus.)

OK answer my question. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT SINKING WEDDING DRESS!!!!!!!--Cb13 (talk) 00:35, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
You're an idiot. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 00:39, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
I haven't beaten the game, and I still know why Yuna married Seymour. --Sencilia 04:28, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
to answer your question, Seymour more or less forces Yuna into the marriage in exchange for her friends lives so that he could become her Final Aeon and become the next Sin. She agreed both to save her friends lives and so that she would have a chance to send him--ShadowsTwilightDissicon ff4 Kain1
04:32, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

To answer Drake Clawfang comment 1st off I prefer the term Twit. 2nd I dont have Final Fanstasy 10,Playstation 2, Nor the money to get it OK.--Cb13 (talk) 10:57, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Actually her friends weren't in danger at the time she decided to marry seymour she only wanted a chance to send him--Xabryn 11:17, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I thought she wanted to marry him coz she thought it would bring Peace to Spira. --Sencilia 04:39, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
No not okay, it explains right in the frickin' article you're commenting on why she marries him. You're just plain stupid. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 04:42, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Gallery Necessary? Edit

The Dissidia gallery here. Is it really necessary? None of the other Dissida characters have it and the gallery is a repeat of the one in their Dissidia page anyway. Also, the card images. We have never placed merchandise images in these galleries before unless they are relevent to the story or have no other relevent place to go. Why are we starting now with these cards? Couldn't they instead go into an "over-gallery" page for the merchandise page? Or simply have the image linked to through their category; much like the Sphere Break and Triple Triad images are? Netherith 13:32, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

These cards belong to a game series. Even though not being a videogame, it's an external appearance covered in "Other appearances" sections. This isn't your ordinary merchandise: keychains or play arts you keep in your shelves. It's supposed to be played with others. Every character\summon\enemy that appears in the Trading Card Game should have his\her\its respective cards on his\her\its article because they are directly based on them and even feature old artwork which is probably included in the very article.
As with Dissidia's images, they should be indeed merged with the above galleries, because we only add to parents or other pages renders related with appearances covered in the same (i.e. Ultimecia page does not feature her alts' renders because Edea is not covered in her article and her first alternate appearance is completely new; Exdeath article does not feature his alts' renders because they are Exdeath's Soul and Neo Exdeath, which again are not covered in his article. Kuja's article only features his normal EX Mode and his first alt normal form because they are covered in his article, etc.). - Henryacores^ 22:38, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Page split proposal Edit


  • There is a separate storyline.
  • There is a whole gallery of just Dresspheres.
  • There is another gallery of ingame images.
  • There is Sphere Break, and not only separate Blitzball players and stats, but also rules and stats unique to X-2.
  • The Dressphere and combat mechanics are separate to X, and are insufficiently covered anywhere, to my knowledge.
  • Finally and most importantly, although images are loaded separately, which keeps the byte count for the page itself small, their effect on the page loading is quite another matter; it is quite a task for low-end connections and browsers.
VvAnarchangelvV 01:43, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
No. Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:01, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yes. --BlueHighwind 02:02, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
FFX-2 is a direct sequel however. Dissidia is a spin-off, and, say, Cloud's appearance in FFT is a cameo appearance, and most people would view this appearance as outside the FFVII canon. It would be a bit weird if it was just "to be continued in this page..." kinda deal here.Keltainentoukokuu 02:18, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
FFX-2 in the same canon as FFX while Dissidia is not. It wouldn't make any sense to split the page. ScatheMote 02:23, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
No for all the reasons explained above; we wouldn't want to split FFVII character pages by the same rationale. 8bit 03:52, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
  • Not only for FFVII character pages, but for FFXII character pages (all character in XII that appears in the sequel.). 12:10, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt responses. I personally think that keeping sequels on the same page as the original does not use the power of a wiki to its full potential. Wikis can have the same summary information on multiple pages, and expand separate subjects with details, the separate pages clearly and easily accessible with hyperlinks. VvAnarchangelvV 21:07, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe we should make that section which person wants to see/read would be "expandable" (hide/show functions; like game templates or some galleries have)? Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 21:34, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

That may solve clutter issues, but will not help page-load times. Also it could easily result in most of the article being collapsed, and collapsing any content section of an article is unacceptable. 21:40, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, Final Fantasy X-2 is a direct sequel of Final Fantasy X. The story links directly from it. Having the story at a different page is an inconvenience for users. Similarly, it is helpful for users to have both appearance and personality sections at the top to see how Yuna's attire and personality develop over canon. It notes the differences between the two games which is interesting for users.

And why should X-2 information be moved to a subpage, but not Final Fantasy X? I understand that FFX was the first game she appears in, and the main series game, but since both of her appearances are as important for this character than each other, I wouldn't accept "because she first appeared in that game" as a good reason.

Dissidia has its own page because it is not part of the same canon. It is an "other appearance". The content we have for Yuna in Dissidia extended beyond what could fit in a few paragraphs on this page so it had to be moved onto a subpage. FFX and X-2 information ties into each other because they're directly related and are in the same world. 21:40, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, heck, there is no reason we can't have a Yuna/Final Fantasy X for that matter. The information that is not specifically about Yuna, but about Yuna's place in larger game mechanics, such as Blitzball, and the storyline material that does not reflect directly on her character (character in the sense of personality) can be gone into detail there, eh? More places to put the Gallery pictures...I don't see a downside. And seriously, if clicking on a hyperlink were an inconvenience, then Wikia itself would be an inconvenience and there should be only IGN guides. VvAnarchangelvV 23:34, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Based on Garnet?Edit

FFVII Cait Sith Battle
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Nude Yuna model in X-2? Edit


When researching the recent Vanille model info, to the best of my ability while following my faith, of course, I also discovered that apparently, there was also dummied content that indicated that Yuna, Rikku, and Paine were going to be nude at least temporarily in-game. Personally, I don't support adding it in due to my Catholicism, but I wanted to bring this to attention, in case it wasn't brought up.

Here's the link:

Weedle McHairybug (talk) 03:10, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I believe the theory is that those are used in the game during spherechange animations. They have a purple glow over the body in the scenes so you don't see anything naughty.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 03:12, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Okay. I also don't know whether it (they?) should be uploaded. I'm not in charge, so if you and/or anyone else wish to upload it (them?), I won't, not to mention can't, stop you. I'm not going to upload it, however. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 03:17, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
If you can use them to illustrate anything that we cover, then, yes you should upload it. If not, we have no use for superfluous and\or redundant images. - Henryacores^ 04:42, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
I guess it could qualify under dummied images. The article that featured the dummied out models did imply that Square Enix attempted to do nude images in the game before. I'll add in a trivia point regarding this in the articles so it at least has some relevance. However, I also want to make clear that I will not upload the image onto the wiki, lest I go to confession afterwards. It will have to be another user, possibly you if you want. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:51, January 2, 2013 (UTC)'re adorably fixated on this. <3 If they are indeed the base models for spherechange animations then it doesn't need to be mentioned anywhere. There was never a deleted scene involving them and I bet there are lots of models of various objects that we never see a bare-bones version of because they always have some effect on top. Those are not dummied content.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 05:03, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Full nudity involves ratings for which Square Enix has never developed Final Fantasy media in 25 years, so I'm forced to believe that these images do not illustrate any aspect of our coverage. As Keltainentoukokuu mentioned, these are probably the models used for the spherechange cinematics of special dresspheres, with skin-tone texures.

Also please note that the website features an objective and laic point of view on its scope, and as such, so is its content. - Henryacores^ 05:04, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

The only place where I can conceive this info might fit is on the Dressphere article if there is a section explaining how spherechange works.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 05:07, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm just acknowledging and taking into account the possibility of someone uploading them, that's all. After the incident with Vanille, I can't take any chances of thinking someone won't upload them, so I want to be prepared for that inevitability. It's closer to paranoia, really, which isn't "adorable," to say the least. It's about as "adorable" as being eaten alive by piranhas.
And, Henryacores, the Firion image [File:FFII_Novelisation_Amano_Illustration_1.jpg here] does come awfully close to full nudity right there. A bit too close for comfort, anyways. However, if the dress sphere article is the most appropriate place, I'll put the info on that article. Like I said, someone else will have to do the images, because I'm not uploading them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 05:12, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Relax, it's just some boobs. Nothing bad's gonna happen.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 05:22, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
If you're talking about my attempt at showing him the image, I was simply pointing out that there were images that were at least borderline full-nudity in the series that are on this wiki, since he claimed that there weren't any. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 05:25, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
The wiki does not advocate or condone nudity. - Henryacores^ 05:27, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Not claiming that the wiki does advocate or condone nudity. I also don't plan on uploading that image(s) anyway. Heck, I don't even plan on saving that image(s) for the purpose of uploading it. Problem is that we already have some nude images uploaded (like the Mermaid artwork for Final Fantasy III or, most recently, Vanille's artwork), and that's not even getting into the image that I tried to show you that definitely is borderline full-nudity and yet somehow was allowed on the wiki anyway. In fact, the Vanille upload was largely the reason why I have some degree of paranoia that someone actually WOULD try to upload those character models of the Gullwings, anyway, especially seeing how at least one article did directly tie the Gullwing models to the Vanille image. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 05:33, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
OK we're supposed to be playing by PG-13 rules at Wikia, and according to that some nudity is ok if it is in non-sexual context. You don't often see nudity in PG-13 stuff because guys wanna play it safe, but it's not prohibited. The mermaid artworks etc are fine, and the Gullwings models would be too if they were useful for something. Like if we were an art wiki Wikia wouldn't demand we pixelate the statue of David.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 05:40, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I did try to incorporate the method of transformation on the dressphere article, but Deadlyslashsword said it wasn't relevant to the specific-coverage, and not notable. I don't want to risk adding it in again, but you might know how to actually make it notable, so you can try adding it in/incorporating it. Also, if you wish to save and upload the model(s) to the wikia, Keltainentokokuu, I can't stop you anyway, so feel free to do so as it is up to you. I'm not going to do it. They are in the link I posted as my first post, under the NSFW tag, below Vanille. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 05:48, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Only because it's just that - a model. The fact that someone ripped it for everyone to see clearly doesn't make it relevant. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:55, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
But it does make it interesting... and thus relevant. These images are used during Dressphere change. With this knowledge a discussion of what occurs during dressphere changes on the Dressphere article would be good, and that would be a good place for these images. 14:41, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Eh, FFVIII Siren shows full-bush, and there's plenty of ass-shots and side-boobs in the series both in the artwork and in the actual games, especially where summons are concerned. I don't have any problem with uploading nudity if SE doesn't have any problem creating it in the first place. Here's a million-dollar question - what about the fully nude image of Aki Ross that SE did? That is full-blown, full-frontal, fully-realized nudity, no questions asked. And it's official. What now brown cow? Espritduo (talk) 16:22, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Just like the code in the game that determines how much damage is dealt in an attack, the blank models are exactly that - a means to an end. They're obscured in the game just like code, and somebody rips what? It's not a matter of nudity, it's a matter of just not being very interesting. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:42, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
That's batshit. Damage formulas are much more important than dummied renders. - Henryacores^ 18:57, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
How they do things is interesting. When I rip models from games I go through them all and find a purpose for it on the wiki. For most characters its in their character articles. These would fit that. Although since these aren't proper models in that you can't more than 2-inches of the model at any one time (IIRC), I may consider otherwise. Instead I would have still uploaded them and put them to the purpose I suggest. [except I probably wouldn't, because of what some people may consider appropriate]
I bet this is more a subject of nudity then you'd like to admit. If the models weren't nude but instead just undergarments then no way would there be argument over this. 19:10, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Henry, I didn't liken it to a matter of importance. And JBed, I honestly don't give a shit that they're nude. I really do not find it interesting, nor should your basis of finding it interesting make a great case for uploading it. Comparing these models to the Bare models, which are actually used in a story cutscene (although an inane one) and are used in gameplay in the International release, the nude models are just there. They serve no other purpose that the magical-girl style sphere changes; a means to an end. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:34, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
I actually don't find these models very interesting because they are not shown anywhere in-game and we have no solid information about them at all (and I don't want to support Weedle's crazy conjecture that Square Enix was going to include these half-baked nudes in the final product), but the same can't be said about the dressphere-change models. - Henryacores^ 21:01, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
They were found in the game's coding, so it's not crazy conjecture in the least. At the very least, they planned to insert them during development if they hadn't already. Nonetheless, as I suspected, it was inserted. I'm only glad that I wasn't the one who inserted them. I'm not going to comment one way or another on the Aki Ross thing, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:10, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
You're only glad you're not the one who inserted them... when you can freely choose between inserting them or not...? C A T U S E 21:38, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Indent reduction
I try to take my religion seriously, so I'm not willing to save or upload images like that. Heck, I usually can't even look at images like that unless I use my hand as a blur effect in an attempt to prevent myself from sinning. As such, I also nonetheless realize, though am not happy with it, that there is no rule banning the upload of nudity onto this site, and even if I were higher up (which I am not) I can't really do a thing to stop any uploads, and try to at least restrain myself from doing such. That's what I meant by that comment. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:47, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome to take your religion seriously. But please stop making this whole thing about it. You've made your position clear, now stop going on about it, it's irrelevant.
As to my stance, I support uploading the images if we do genuinely have a use for them. We have no reason not to upload them unless they are useless. But if we can't use them, then we don't need to upload them. It's a wiki, so it simply comes down to an objective assessment of practical usage -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 21:55, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
EDIT: Also, looking at the models for YRP, the anatomical detail extends only to them having navels, which is of course because that's visible in several outfits. They have no nipples, and no genitalia. So they aren't even indecent, really. The Vanille model, on the other hand, does have at least part of at least one nipple, so that's slightly different -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 21:59, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough on your request to stop making a whole thing about it. I'll try to minimize any references to it if I must.
As for a genuine practical usage, there are some people who will look for any reason to upload one of those images and label it as such, so we'll need a bit more than that as a limitation. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:01, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Fundamentally speaking, it doesn't matter what the hypothetical uploader's motive is. All that matters, the sole consideration, is whether we have a use for it. Your concern is addressed by the fact that if an insufficient reason is given, it'll soon be highlighted, refuted, and the images removed unless a better reason can be given -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:14, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
They are character models. Simple. If they are uploaded they will be placed in the relevent galleries relating to the character. And I edited out the nude Aki Ross due to it being a little too bluntly explicit and breaks the Wikia's rule of Barbie Anatomy (the Aki image has fully frontal nude pose with nipples displayed and crotch and pubic hair visible). Netherith (talk) 05:35, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

LR:XIII costume Edit

Should Lightning's Yuna costume be in the "Other appearances" section even if Yuna herself does not appear, but merely her outfit? I think it looks a bit out of place to be with "legit" appearances of Dissidia and Theatrhythm. Some articles use ==References== for a list of things that allude to the character but are not the actual character, but then I don't think that is per manual of style and that header is already used for citations.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 12:22, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's okay as a subheader of "Other appearances" even though it's a costume. Locke Cole#Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII has the same thing, and I think Faris will also get this section as one of costumes shown in the garb video bears striking resemblance to Faris's CG render from the Anthologies video.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:28, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Favorite Color Edit

--♥Paexgo♥ (talk) 21:09, December 16, 2013 (UTC)Paexgo

What is the favorite color of Yuna?

a Pink

b Blue

c Purple

d White

Please use the talk page for article discussion only. This sort of thing should be taken to the forums. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 21:16, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yuna not fully human? Edit

Correct me if I am wrong but Yuna is fully human, according to the Trivia section she's being listed along with Cecil, Terra, and Seymour as a crossbreed but the Al Bhed are clearly human and simply a different ethnic group and not a different "race of beings" like Espers, Guado, and Lunerians. So I feel this needs to be removed because its implying that the Al Bhed are not actually humans when they clearly are. Unless we're counting the whole "pixie" thing from KH2 but that's not actually canonical. (Wolf Kanno True Beauty Exists Only in Things that Last a Moment 05:32, January 3, 2014 (UTC))

I also think Al Bhed is an ethnic group rather than a species of its own, but it is not as obvious and clear as you claim. I mean I can see why someone would think otherwise.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 12:11, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
There is nothing really special about them, outside of having green eyes, their is no distinguishing physical ability that separates them from being not human. I mean even the Cetra at least have the whole "in touch with the Planet" element and VII pretty much says the Cetra themselves are actually an ethnic group since regular humans are simply just a branch off group who lost the ability to communicate with the planet. What do the Al Bhed have? Blonde, green-eye people who are banished from normal society because they embrace technology. It's not like Lunerians, Espers, Jenova, Terrans, or Guado who all have some strong non-human element that grants a supernatural quality to the character. I feel there is no strong argument that the Al Bhed are not simply another ethnic group. (Wolf Kanno (talk) True Beauty Exists Only in Things that Last a Moment 00:00, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
They have non-human pupils, but otherwise appear physically similar, only they have unified eye and hair color. Supernaturality isn't needed for speciation...Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 00:33, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
I still feel its a weak argument to put it on the same level as the other figures who factor into this. Its largely a major plot element of their stories whereas the Al Bhed deals more with racism and cultural issues as opposed to being a defining element of the character. I mean Seymour was literally dealing with a a major taboo whereas Yuna's parents was more about a High Yevon Priest marrying into a heretic minority. From a story angle, I feel that the Al Bhed are not on the same level as the other figures listed in the trivia section. I feel it misleads people into thinking her Al Bhed heritage plays strongly into her identity when in reality it simply ties her to Rikku and what Cid is trying to do. It's not like Cecil who has to come to grips with his brother and the idea that the only reason he wasn't controlled by fellow Lunerian Zemus is due to luck, nor is it Terra struggling to understand herself and questioning whether her Half-Human nature even allows her to truly feel the same way humans do, nor is it Sephiroth's whose inhuman nature snaps his mind and twists his logic to justify his becoming a god, nor is it Seymour whose very existence made him and his mother hated by his community which led to her senseless sacrifice and own hidden psychosis. It's just a thing for Yuna, it barely defines her as a person as much as being Lord Braska's daughter does. Yuna herself never suffers the stigma of being Al Bhed, she simply uses it to shut Wakka up on one of his racist rants, and it ties into why Cid is chasing after her and even then its mainly because Yuna is his niece. Its not so much her ethnic heritage that is important, its her familial bonds.(Wolf Kanno (talk) True Beauty Exists Only in Things that Last a Moment 00:00, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
That's arguing the case from some meta perspective though. Personally I find those "ethnicity defines a person as a character" stuff patronising and it would be a great leap forward to not use that as a story vessel ever again... Same as you, I think Al Bhed are so close to the other humans that they could be considered an ethnic minority, which would make Yuna closer to mixed race than "crossbreed" (what a vulgar word that one is too), but I can see why someone has added it here. If it's at all a grey issue though, it'd be better not to refer to it at all, in my opinion.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 03:57, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
I agree its a bit vulgar when saying "crossbreed" and I guess in the long wrong it doesn't really matter either way whether this is trivia stays or not. It just seemed weird to me for it to be part of her trivia because I feel it wasn't a big deal for Yuna like it was for some of the other characters. I honestly don't mind the mixed-heritage angle in the stories when its done right. Terra, Sephiroth and *shudders* Seymour all prove it can be an effective story dynamic but it has been used by everyone under the sun by this point so it is pretty cliche nowadays. (Wolf Kanno (talk) True Beauty Exists Only in Things that Last a Moment 00:00, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
I don't really like that trivia being on anyone's article because it can be a bit of a spoiler. I think it was removed before but added back in, and I don't really care to edit war over it.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 21:00, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Vague StatementEdit

Since when does the wiki accepts vague statements? "In the Final Fantasy X-2 HD Remaster Yuna will occasionally say lines in Japanese during battle. The lines were done by her English voice actress, Hedy Burress, and are not leftover data from the original Japanese version." But I'll take a shot in the dark here, does it have anything to do with the Festivalist job since its a Japanese theme dressphere? If she talks in Japanese during battle, under what circumstances? Fenrir9 (talk) 18:54, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

It's not exactly vague. It's just not providing the lines spoken. And the wiki accepts anything and everything until such a time that it can be improved upon. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 19:00, March 24, 2014 (UTC)
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