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Wow! Got up this morning to continue the work, and I see some bussy little poeple have done a fair job already! Thanks to everyone that pitched in! What more can I say? 23:38, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
XI?
Are there actual victory poses in Final Fantasy XI? And if so, how does that work out? | |||
No victory poses (although as the page mentions, you can make up your own using emotes, though I've never met anyone who does). Even when you level up, there's a short spell effect but your character does not do anything. | |||
Gotcha. Even though making your own pose sounds cool, I can see why people wouldn't do that... | |||
VFD
I'm putting this up for deletion. The page serves no other purpose than to describe what would be better displayed by using images. Instead, I propose that Category:Victory Pose Images be created, and images of victory poses can be added to individual character pages. This page can be redirected to the above category. | |||
Seconded. Please, please, please do not think or state that because two admins agree on deleting a page it will automatically disappear, Yuan's opinion and my own are not worth more because we're sysops. Please discuss the deletion of this page keeping this in mind. | |||
I also agree with this myself. It's not showing anything that's important at all (really, victory poses don't serve anything special. They're just there. It'd be like making a page for battle stances for every character...) | |||
I see what you're getting at, but we have pages for Unrevisitable Locations and Point of No Return which, in my opinion, are just as necessary. If we delete this, we should delete those and put those places into Category:Unrevisitable Locations and Category:Points of No Return. | |||
I must agree with Moo, though Xenomic makes a fair point. Should be interesting to see what happens What more can I say? 00:46, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Edit conflict: Please explain how those articles would be better illustrated by a category of images. The VFD addresses one article, and one article only: this one. Its existence does not affect the others. | |||
Not so much a category of images, but the same function those pages provide could be accomplished with a tag for the Unrevisitable Locations, and Points of No Return. Add a tag to the Prima Vista and other such pages, and we could get rid of that article, just as you are suggesting with this one. The difference; you are suggesting doing it to images, Moo is suggesting doing it to pages. What more can I say? 00:58, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, pretty much. Sorry if I didn't make that clear :/ | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 01:04, February 7, 2010 (UTC)~ | |||
I disagree; this page should be kept. A picture may say a thousand words, but it cannot explain a full action. For example:
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Edit conflict: I think the circumstances are different. The pages you listed do not only group the locations, but explain why each is unrevistable/are a point of no return. A category would only list the names in that instance, whereas a category page for the images would both describe and group the images in question.
This issue is entirely tangential, in any case. If you feel that those pages should be deleted, they should be addressed individually. 8bit: Then wouldn't the solution be animated gifs or videos? :p | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 01:17, February 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
That would be preferable, but still, explanations in words are superior to freeze frames. Rather than being located in a category, a List of Victory Poses page could be made with galleries containing the animated gifs. Categories do not allow much leeway for describing images. | |||
The question with images becomes, where would they go? And a PONR location should explain why it can not be returned to in the story, no edit needed. What more can I say? 01:18, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Then the point still stands then, we'd only need to switch from page to video category. | |||
Victory poses have become sort of a small staple in the series and I think a page to descibe them should be kept. I do not really like the idea of a large gallery full of animated gifs. I think it would look very ugly and distracting. | |||
I think that the page should stay. Like others have said, they are a bit of a stable of the series, and while images can show some things, there are some that a description would work better.Red Silvers 02:09, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
<Faethin> Then the point still stands then, we'd only need to switch from page to video category. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 02:38, February 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
So "Victory pose" would redirect to a category. Eh, I do not like. ILHI would be livid if there was a potential list to be made and instead all we got was a sad category. The page can describe things in words that media cannot. Being a mainspace PAGE lends the Victory Pose credence, and it deserves such recognition. Have the page and the vid category. Just don't go too in depth with description on the page. And until we get those videos, this page should stay. | |||
I request a non-poetic, non-metaphysical example of words describing something a video cannot describe. | |||
Thoughts, emotion, subtleties, things that may be hard for someone to see can be easily be painted with words. Beside, have a look at how many characters are listed. Are you really going to find a gif picture for each and everyone, also considering some have several victory poses. What more can I say? 03:01, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
<Faethin> I request a non-poetic, non-metaphysical example of words describing something a video cannot describe. Do you people ever read what I post? I myself would baleet the whole page and forget about it since I find it irrelevant to the content of the FFWiki. But since so many users think otherwise, then we keep the content and try to make it as illustrative as possible. That cannot be achieved via words alone since we're describing something that is meant to be observed, as opposed to be "experienced" or told about. Yes, we should find a gif or a video for everyone, since that is the correct way of illustrating a piece of content that is meant to be watched by the player. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 04:33, February 7, 2010 (UTC)~ | |||
How is a victory pose irrelevant to the content of the FFWiki? Is it not a recurring theme within the game? The advantage with a mainspace page is just that: it is a mainspace page, not "go look at these video files in this category". Which is why a "List of" page would be preferable - in addition to creating about 15 categories entitled "Category: Final Fantasy IX Victory Poses Videos", we put some of them on a "List of" page and note interesting points about some of the poses. Videos can be placed into galleries like images, right? | |||
Victory poses are in almost all turn based RPGs that I recall (Dragon Quest is the only exception I know of so far) It wouldn't hurt to know the poses. But, perhaps this should be mixed in with the Victory Fanfare article. These subjects both go hand in hand. One without the other is just bullshit to me. Bottom line, I believe this article's info should be put in the Victory Fanfare stuff, or, just destroy it. | |||
Victory Fanfare would be way too cluttered with this. One video per game should do the trick. | |||
Why not compromise? Why can't we just put both the .gifs and the words? The Final Fantasy Wiki is meant to be a library of information, so I say we should go with whatever informs our readers most. Lost Hero 18:38, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. We should keep the words and add images, to keep maximum information and allow for easier info-gathering. | |||
I'm actually indifferent to the fate of this article, but I think if it were to stay, it would be best laid out in a similar manner to the Music of Final Fantasy page: list the poses in bullet-point form, then have a small gallery underneath each game with images of the poses. - Paramina 21:17, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
In regards to why we don't have both: because the words describe only what's in the videos, which would be utterly redundant. Why would we choose to give the same information twice, with one method being inferior? In this case, a compromise makes little sense.
A video gallery would be preferable, although a category of them would be a little difficult to manage. It would probably also bloat the page. Subpages? I, too, think that having this page is fancrufty, but that's hardly an argument on the FF wiki. Edit: I believe what Faethin means is that the page describes mostly what victory poses are - a staple across RPGs, and thus not really in our scope - and the actual poses, which are more effectively displayed through visual media. The part which is most worth keeping, that being the poses' place within the series, is small and hardly merits a page on its own. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 04:29, February 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
A video gallery on a mainspace page, because the importance of a Victory Pose (yes, it has some purpose, don't look at me like I is fanboy o.O) merits coverage in a full-fledged article. Yes, it merits mainspace, it's evolved over the series, is tied with the Victory Fanfare, and has interesting little tidbits thrown at random for homage (see previous points about Cloud of Darkness, etc.) I like Paramina's suggestion; perhaps instead of covering each victory pose in words, we say a bit about victory poses as a whole in the game, then have the videos in the gallery beneath the blurb. | |||
Personally, I say keep it, its is a good article and it is much more accessible in this form rather then a "image category". | |||
I second that we combine with victory fanfare. Balthierfan 21:34, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
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If the Final Fantasy XII article stays, this stays. | |||