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What's missing in the FFXIII-2 subsection? There are no hidden comments for this. Is it related to humanoid allies? I can't remember if they have a victory pose; haven't played the game in a while.—[[User:Kaimi|Kaimi]] <font size="1">([[Special:Contributions/Kaimi|999,999 CP]]/[[User_talk:Kaimi|5 TP]])</font> 22:02, May 22, 2013 (UTC) |
What's missing in the FFXIII-2 subsection? There are no hidden comments for this. Is it related to humanoid allies? I can't remember if they have a victory pose; haven't played the game in a while.—[[User:Kaimi|Kaimi]] <font size="1">([[Special:Contributions/Kaimi|999,999 CP]]/[[User_talk:Kaimi|5 TP]])</font> 22:02, May 22, 2013 (UTC) |
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Thanks
Wow! Got up this morning to continue the work, and I see some bussy little poeple have done a fair job already! Thanks to everyone that pitched in! What more can I say? 23:38, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
XI?
Are there actual victory poses in Final Fantasy XI? And if so, how does that work out? | |||
No victory poses (although as the page mentions, you can make up your own using emotes, though I've never met anyone who does). Even when you level up, there's a short spell effect but your character does not do anything. | |||
Gotcha. Even though making your own pose sounds cool, I can see why people wouldn't do that... | |||
(reason added due to request) So it's not really a victory pose then is it? I'll delete it! What more can I say? 12:42, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
VFD
I'm putting this up for deletion. The page serves no other purpose than to describe what would be better displayed by using images. Instead, I propose that Category:Victory Pose Images be created, and images of victory poses can be added to individual character pages. This page can be redirected to the above category. | |||
Seconded. Please, please, please do not think or state that because two admins agree on deleting a page it will automatically disappear, Yuan's opinion and my own are not worth more because we're sysops. Please discuss the deletion of this page keeping this in mind. | |||
I also agree with this myself. It's not showing anything that's important at all (really, victory poses don't serve anything special. They're just there. It'd be like making a page for battle stances for every character...) | |||
I see what you're getting at, but we have pages for Unrevisitable Locations and Point of No Return which, in my opinion, are just as necessary. If we delete this, we should delete those and put those places into Category:Unrevisitable Locations and Category:Points of No Return. | |||
I must agree with Moo, though Xenomic makes a fair point. Should be interesting to see what happens What more can I say? 00:46, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Edit conflict: Please explain how those articles would be better illustrated by a category of images. The VFD addresses one article, and one article only: this one. Its existence does not affect the others. | |||
Not so much a category of images, but the same function those pages provide could be accomplished with a tag for the Unrevisitable Locations, and Points of No Return. Add a tag to the Prima Vista and other such pages, and we could get rid of that article, just as you are suggesting with this one. The difference; you are suggesting doing it to images, Moo is suggesting doing it to pages. What more can I say? 00:58, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, pretty much. Sorry if I didn't make that clear :/ | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 01:04, February 7, 2010 (UTC)~ | |||
I disagree; this page should be kept. A picture may say a thousand words, but it cannot explain a full action. For example:
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Edit conflict: I think the circumstances are different. The pages you listed do not only group the locations, but explain why each is unrevistable/are a point of no return. A category would only list the names in that instance, whereas a category page for the images would both describe and group the images in question.
This issue is entirely tangential, in any case. If you feel that those pages should be deleted, they should be addressed individually. 8bit: Then wouldn't the solution be animated gifs or videos? :p | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 01:17, February 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
That would be preferable, but still, explanations in words are superior to freeze frames. Rather than being located in a category, a List of Victory Poses page could be made with galleries containing the animated gifs. Categories do not allow much leeway for describing images. | |||
The question with images becomes, where would they go? And a PONR location should explain why it can not be returned to in the story, no edit needed. What more can I say? 01:18, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Then the point still stands then, we'd only need to switch from page to video category. | |||
Victory poses have become sort of a small staple in the series and I think a page to descibe them should be kept. I do not really like the idea of a large gallery full of animated gifs. I think it would look very ugly and distracting. | |||
I think that the page should stay. Like others have said, they are a bit of a stable of the series, and while images can show some things, there are some that a description would work better.Red Silvers 02:09, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
<Faethin> Then the point still stands then, we'd only need to switch from page to video category. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 02:38, February 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
So "Victory pose" would redirect to a category. Eh, I do not like. ILHI would be livid if there was a potential list to be made and instead all we got was a sad category. The page can describe things in words that media cannot. Being a mainspace PAGE lends the Victory Pose credence, and it deserves such recognition. Have the page and the vid category. Just don't go too in depth with description on the page. And until we get those videos, this page should stay. | |||
I request a non-poetic, non-metaphysical example of words describing something a video cannot describe. | |||
Thoughts, emotion, subtleties, things that may be hard for someone to see can be easily be painted with words. Beside, have a look at how many characters are listed. Are you really going to find a gif picture for each and everyone, also considering some have several victory poses. What more can I say? 03:01, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
<Faethin> I request a non-poetic, non-metaphysical example of words describing something a video cannot describe. Do you people ever read what I post? I myself would baleet the whole page and forget about it since I find it irrelevant to the content of the FFWiki. But since so many users think otherwise, then we keep the content and try to make it as illustrative as possible. That cannot be achieved via words alone since we're describing something that is meant to be observed, as opposed to be "experienced" or told about. Yes, we should find a gif or a video for everyone, since that is the correct way of illustrating a piece of content that is meant to be watched by the player. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 04:33, February 7, 2010 (UTC)~ | |||
How is a victory pose irrelevant to the content of the FFWiki? Is it not a recurring theme within the game? The advantage with a mainspace page is just that: it is a mainspace page, not "go look at these video files in this category". Which is why a "List of" page would be preferable - in addition to creating about 15 categories entitled "Category: Final Fantasy IX Victory Poses Videos", we put some of them on a "List of" page and note interesting points about some of the poses. Videos can be placed into galleries like images, right? | |||
Victory poses are in almost all turn based RPGs that I recall (Dragon Quest is the only exception I know of so far) It wouldn't hurt to know the poses. But, perhaps this should be mixed in with the Victory Fanfare article. These subjects both go hand in hand. One without the other is just bullshit to me. Bottom line, I believe this article's info should be put in the Victory Fanfare stuff, or, just destroy it. | |||
Victory Fanfare would be way too cluttered with this. One video per game should do the trick. | |||
Why not compromise? Why can't we just put both the .gifs and the words? The Final Fantasy Wiki is meant to be a library of information, so I say we should go with whatever informs our readers most. Lost Hero 18:38, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. We should keep the words and add images, to keep maximum information and allow for easier info-gathering. | |||
I'm actually indifferent to the fate of this article, but I think if it were to stay, it would be best laid out in a similar manner to the Music of Final Fantasy page: list the poses in bullet-point form, then have a small gallery underneath each game with images of the poses. - Paramina 21:17, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
In regards to why we don't have both: because the words describe only what's in the videos, which would be utterly redundant. Why would we choose to give the same information twice, with one method being inferior? In this case, a compromise makes little sense.
A video gallery would be preferable, although a category of them would be a little difficult to manage. It would probably also bloat the page. Subpages? I, too, think that having this page is fancrufty, but that's hardly an argument on the FF wiki. Edit: I believe what Faethin means is that the page describes mostly what victory poses are - a staple across RPGs, and thus not really in our scope - and the actual poses, which are more effectively displayed through visual media. The part which is most worth keeping, that being the poses' place within the series, is small and hardly merits a page on its own. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 04:29, February 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
A video gallery on a mainspace page, because the importance of a Victory Pose (yes, it has some purpose, don't look at me like I is fanboy o.O) merits coverage in a full-fledged article. Yes, it merits mainspace, it's evolved over the series, is tied with the Victory Fanfare, and has interesting little tidbits thrown at random for homage (see previous points about Cloud of Darkness, etc.) I like Paramina's suggestion; perhaps instead of covering each victory pose in words, we say a bit about victory poses as a whole in the game, then have the videos in the gallery beneath the blurb. | |||
Personally, I say keep it, its is a good article and it is much more accessible in this form rather then a "image category". | |||
I second that we combine with victory fanfare. Balthierfan 21:34, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
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If the Final Fantasy XII article stays, this stays. | |||
Sorry about that Saethori, thought I had put it on here. Meh, anyway I deleted it because it wasn't really a victory Pose in the sense that the others are. Once more, sorry for the lack of explanation =( What more can I say? 12:42, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
HarpieSiren - "There's not a thing I don't cherish!" TALK - {{{time}}} - It's not heavy. It's... a memento | |||
There's a lot of articles about stuff on this wiki that's a staple of RPs in general. That doesn't make it any less important to the Final Fantasy series | |||
This is an important part of the Final Fantasy series and should be referenced on the wiki. Exdeath64 02:24, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
People, we are not here voting on whether it stays or goes. We're discussing whether it's pertinent or not. Saying "I think it should stay because it's nice" hardly adds to the discussion. As far as I see, the decision is to delete this page and create a new category, be it an image category or a video category: category:Character Victory PosesDoes anyone have anymore suggestions? | |||
Honestly, I think this is just as pertinent as the Point of No Return and Unrevisitable Location articles. We're compiling a database that covers as many aspects of all the different games as well as we possibly can. Therefor, this article should stay. I think Paramina's idea with the galleries is our best one. We just need to get somebody to find some pictures now. | |||
I think that the Victory Pose page is a valuable page in the FFWiki. When an author writes an exciting book, it doesn't necessarily need pictures. This page shouldn't be deleted just because of the lack of images. Other than the lack of images its as useful as any article. If the page is getting this much support then why in the world would you delete it. This wiki is for the people. And if the people want it, then keep it. | |||
Populism will get you nowhere while I'm around. I suggest you read the whole conversation instead of jumping straight into action, as some of the points you raise have already been addressed. | |||
Populism is what a wiki is all about a GROUP OF PEOPLE collaborating to provide information about a topic. Let me pose (no pun intended) you a question: What would one lose from these words? If we had pictures, and no words, what would we gain? Nothing. What would we gain if we had pictures and words? Nothing. The information has been presented, many people offered information, the page has been built into a full standing article. Then you a select band come and demand it be destroyed, and (My opinion here) ignore everyone objections. If you want to make a category for images, go for it, I'm not stopping. But what do we lose by keeping the article?What more can I say? 11:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Though I be but a mere IP, I would like to tell yee about why I don't think it should be a category. You see, --- I've always been a fan of articles being in-depth and carrying every detail. I would love to see a million terminology pages, even if the term isn't restricted to just the FF series, or only makes sense in one game of the series. Terminology helps. Never been a fan of videos, and GIFs were never meant to be used for such things. A gallery would add to the article, or may I even suggest *shiver* a table? (a table would keep from an overflowing gallery, but tables are pure evil) --Even now, there's more that can be added to this article. A frog's victory pose is different to a normal character's. A category is not an article. And that's what I fear most. If it is not a content article, it is not intended for our readers to see.
But whatever. 88.110.91.159 14:00, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Answering:
"Populism [...] is a type of political-social thought which juxtaposes "the people" against "the elites", and urges social and political system changes. It can also be defined as a rhetorical style deployed by members of political or social movements." Populism means creating the impression that users should band together to stop the evil admins from carrying on their will, which, as you can see from the very first message I wrote for this discussion, is exactly what we want to avoid. I urge you to consider the real meaning of the term before spitting it out angrily.
What are you saying? Do you really, really believe that a written description of a sequence that is meant to be observed by the viewer can be faithfully or completely conveyed using words? That's like saying that somebody narrating to you the plot Star Wars and watching the films are exchangeable and convey the exact same emotion and reaction.
Quote me. Quote just where I "demanded" it to be destroyed. Also, point out exactly what users constitute this band of mine. If you're unable to then please quit misinterpreting my actions. I have never tried to impose my will; if you think I have, I urge you to provide an example.
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8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 20:20, February 20, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Let's not go into the populism mode here, please ._. There are some decisions that the community can all work together on, and other decisions that rely on existing policy, which should be explored before everyone opines. Both ideas (categorize vs. mainspace page) rely on the presence of Victory Pose video that we do not have. Both suffer for lack of media. I think we can agree that description with text currently explains more than an empty category asking for data. We can also agree that when someone is so kind as to upload videos, we can replace the text description with them. The videos should be categorized anyway. | |||
@HarpieSiren: Yes, but each of those deals with that staple's position in the series, as opposed to just a description of it in general.
@Anon: Er, no. Categories, images and mainspace are all meant to be accessible to people. Additionally, what's wrong with using tables to organise information? Remember that we are searching for a consensus, not a vote. Each of the objections brought up by users was soundly addressed. We did not ignore your opinions. In this case, I do not yet see any reason from a user as to why this page can't be remodelled to make it better. | |||
Technically, yes. In reality, no. When I want to find an image on Wikipedia (if for whatever reason I may wish to do so, Google is so much simpler) I type the subject into search, and look on the page for the image. I do not head into image categories. In the same way, I don't look for categories to find things, I look for List of articles. Essentially, List of articles are just a better way to display a category. So, in this case you want to use a category. Something that doesn't display and cover it as clearly. Images and words together, or videos and words together if we're going that way, is better than just videos. So the video explains all we need to know? Quite possibly. But categories are actually less organised than articles. There are two sides to this argument. There are those who think we should sort the videos/images in categories. And then there are those who think we should sort the videos/image in categories, and then have the article, neatly displaying them with additional explanation and text. If I am correct, the category is just going to say "Cid-victory-ffvii" next to "Cloud-victory-ffvii". In an article there will be a logical order to the videos/images (this can be done in a category, but is in actual fact, more work that probably won't be done). And there'd be a verbal description. Saying there's no need for the text is like saying there's no need for Appearance sections in articles since we have the images right there. Also, I don't like to stop what I'm doing on a page and watch videos (which is why I prefer images) which means text would be better for me. I donno, maybe it's just me.
Also tables are great at organising information in places. They're just impossible to place half-way through articles. Tables could easily work here, I just felt this talkpage a nice place to expel my distate for tables. 212.159.149.124 22:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I am arguing the right case here? I just got confused right now. Also, crazy dynamic IP, I am the IP who posted further up, just with a drastically different IP. Even though it's the same computer, same browser (which shouldn't effect anything I don't think) and same everything else. 212.159.149.124 22:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
"why this page can't be remodelled to make it better"
In case I wasn't clear: I was actually advocating Paramina's solution or some other change to the page, not a category. Sorry, I think I just made you type a slab of redundant text. Also, image categories display the images as well as the name, and I still fail to see how prose descriptions of what a video on that page describes would add anything to the article (having read the article, then looked at videos, I found that the images evoked were generally different from the actual poses). I'd also like to note that whatever space this page will be on, it can always have mainspace redirects to it. As for tables being impossible to place in the middle of pages...have you, by chance, looked at any of our Job or Location articles? | |||
Okay. Anyway, I know how image/video categories work. Seeing the image/video still doesn't help. Will there be a category for each game? I hope so. But you have to understand from the filenames what each one shows. I like wikis clear and simple. Yes, we can add redirects, but it's not the same. It doesn't count as a mainspace article. They're also pure evil. I just hate the idea of redirecting from one namespace to another. And I think that there is no need to. Mainly since I advocate the whole "if we have an image or a video it does more good in an article". I thought that was the point in the "unused files" special page? Although as we're not talking about being in a cateogory here, I don't know what we're talking about so I'll leave it at that.
Also, in regards to tables in location articles. Yeah I've seen them. They look awful. Especially when you try to add images into the mix too. Never place an image next to a table. And if you look how the tables are done in an article like Baron- okay, so there's sort of a consistency with colours. How about widths? Also, putting tables next to infoboxes-- there impossible to do since you need to get percentages right. It doesn't seem worth the time. Tables used to be cool back in the day. Evil now. 212.159.149.124 23:14, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think you'd have to be pretty daft not to realise what an image of character X in "Category:Victory Pose Images" is, but that's beside the point :p.
Anyway, I'm leaving this up for a day. If anyone has any objections to this being remodelled into something like what Paramina suggested, or if you have a better idea, please state it now. | |||
OBJECTION! I think a table would be better. For games liek Dissidia, where there are twenty-two characters, and then more poses for special character, and more poses for Ex-modes, a massive gallery wouldn't be the best option. I think a table would. Pretty tables.
!20%|Character [(status {eg. Rod})] !20%|Image |60%|Writingz
For games like VI, a gallery (or an imitation of) may suffice. In such cases I still think we should get all the images/animated sprites and show them in a pretty fashion. I say "imitation of" because I can't remember if there is a way to make the gallery play the images at their original resolution. Also the gallery spaces would be needlessly big.
Of course, I don't really care, and it doesn't really effect me. But I think tables would be pretty. ;D 212.159.149.124 00:35, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I apologize for the populism remark, I had a different definition (similar to communism, a society where all are equal, the made difference being that one man does not work for everyone, but only himself and those that assist in the same employment. Like clustered communism I guess...)
That's like saying that somebody narrating to you the plot Star Wars and watching the films are exchangeable and convey the
exact same emotion and reaction.
Ever compared a film adaption of Hamlet to the script? Ever read Eragon then seen the movie? Lord of the Rings? Dune? The list goes on. If a paragraph is well written,
it can convey a far more information then a picture ever can. EVER CAN. A viewer can miss something, overlook something else. The words detail everything, and thus
nothing is missed.
As usual, a demand such as this is no made in words, but in the way in which they are spoken, thus I placed the ignore everyone objections and a select band come and demand
in the same paragraph, I meant the second part as justification to the former.
As for the my opinion line, I was simply trying to tone down the force of my message. I was attempting to show that I am not taking the role of any higher being,
but simply disguising a matter with a peer. I was in no way hiding behind anything, if I was any bit afraid of what I was saying, I have a tendency to delete it
entirely.
As for ignoring everyone's opinion. The discussion had gone stale for A WEEK. In 7 days not a soul posted anything, so someone assumed (and rightfully) that the discussion
had concluded, and removed the tag. Your words when you put it back on: "Who removed the delete template? This issue isn't over yet".
I see this as attempting to overrule all others. Their is a word I would use for that, but you'll probably write a ten page rant about me using that one word, so I will not. The discussion was closed. If no one has said anything in a week, but no discussion has been reached, obviously we are at a stalemate, and must agree to disagree.
As all points and opinions have been made, all retorts have been said, and all explanations are given. No one has swayed the other, thus stalemate.
Then you reopened the discussion, by restating what many people have already said no to; category:Character Victory Poses.
And here; But since so many users think otherwise, then we keep the content and try to make it as illustrative as possible. you say this, stating that the
article will stay, then continue to argue to the effect of its removal... MAKE UP YOUR MIND! Stay or go? I care about that less then you switching sides.
As this is very verbose, I will leave it here. Retort as you will. What more can I say? 00:46, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
No consensus is permanent. He reopened the discussion because nothing had been done. Yes, lots of people said "no" to deleting the article, but a lot of people said "yes" to it too. A VFD doesn't mean "we're going to delete this article", it means "we're going to discuss this again". There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing so - and notice that Faethin did ask for more opinions; he made no demands. Of course, tone is hard to read from text, so maybe we got different impressions from what he said.
I myself (who put up the VFD in the first place) was swayed by 8bit. When I thought the discussion had resolved, I removed the template. From the new input here, we can see that the issue wasn't finished, so there's no harm in bringing it up again until we do reach a consensus. "But since so many users think otherwise, then we keep the content and try to make it as illustrative as possible. you say this, stating that the article will stay, then continue to argue to the effect of its removal" There's no contradiction. He's arguing that the information should be kept in a different form. "Ever compared a film adaption of Hamlet to the script? Ever read Eragon then seen the movie? Lord of the Rings? Dune?" Each of those moves from a text form to visual and audio. An adaptation is different from simple description, and yes, something is lost in each move. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 01:35, February 21, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Nothing had been done in terms of uploading new media. That does not warrant the re-VFDing of a mainspace page describing the poses with words. Actually, the absence of video presents a larger case for having the text descriptions remain. As previously suggested, categories should be used anyway. Which brings us back to probably the key question: Are we aiming for images or video? I got the sense that video was preferred, but of course, nothing was done. Would anyone like to volunteer to upload videos of such poses? If images would suffice, I can try to hunt for those... | |||
Actually, 8bit, a VFD shouldn't be removed until a new consensus is reached. We were still in no consensus, so the blame lies squarely on my shoulders, for thinking a consensus had been reached. Apologies.
Hop on the IRC, 8bit. | |||
Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 16:28, February 22, 2010 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright. | |||
For what it's worth, I suggest using animated .gifs instead of videos. | |||
Pose, pose, pose, forgot one pose!
Lord Captain Cecil Harvey - That is all the strength you possess? A pity. TALK - Gaze upon true terror! | |||
Instead of listing for one game the level up stances, should we do all the games? I'm willing to do Final Fantasy IV. | |||
Not all games have level up poses (eg. 7-10 show levelups on a seperate screen so no poses) and many of the earlier games either don't have one or are the same as victory pose.
Although there is one pose they forgot - dissidia EX Mode poses - some are different to normal poses.
Balthierfan 10:35, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Victory Dance?
I've always heard it called a "victory dance." It's more of a dance than a pose, really. You stand still for a pose. Am I the only one who's had this? Is it widespread enough to merit a mention? Bluestarultor 18:59, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
New Video
For Dissida. Mainly to include Dissida 012. Also, we need one in English that has ALL of them. AmbieSushi 01:25, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
Aerith's victory pose
I tried editing it once, but it got changed.
Wouldn't it make more sense if she were to blow on her nails to wipe off the dust she would have gotten from her clothes and her hair? Besides, seeing as Aerith is quite girly, it wouldn't be surprising.
Let's not fall into the cliché that she must be putting her hand on her heart, like many other females in FF, just for the sake of it. Badag (talk) 18:30, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
- But she does put her hand over her heart. She puts her hand over her heart, leans back, then leans forward. Her hand is in the wrong place for her to blow on her nails. 92.28.179.168 19:32, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
- I read your message, and quite frankly I don't understand ; do you honestly think that we can gather information just based on actual facts and proofs, especially for a game where most of what we think we see won't be accurate due to poor resolution? Can you guarantee that she puts her hand on her heart either? I mean it's not like it's easy to see, and absolutely not ambiguous. That's why I tried reaching to some kind of common sense because it would definitely be more logical for her to blow on her nails considering she was previously wiping off dust, wouldn't it? But I guess people will have pages they follow, and get protective of them thus preventing editing. Too bad. Badag (talk) 21:17, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
- lawl, "do you honestly think that we can gather information just based on actual facts and proofs". That's awesome, that should be a T-shirt. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
- >do you honestly think that we can gather information just based on actual facts and proofs
- I think that was the fastest loss of an argument I have ever seen. User:R8.50Mango/Sig221:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
- :| April 1 was 3 days ago, dude. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:23, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
- lawl, "do you honestly think that we can gather information just based on actual facts and proofs". That's awesome, that should be a T-shirt. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
- In the guys defense, we're not exactly sourcing an Ultimania when we say she puts her hand over her heart, it's what we say from what we see. So what he says is far from false. And in context, her blowing on her nails would make sense. I just don't see how this looks like she's blowing on her nails. 92.28.179.168 22:38, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, really? Quoting just part of what I said is real fair. I said "do you honestly think that we can gather information just based on actual facts and proofs, especially for a game where most of what we think we see won't be accurate due to poor resolution?" The comma meant it was the same sentence, didn't it?
- "we're not exactly sourcing an Ultimania when we say she puts her hand over her heart, it's what we say from what we see. So what he says is far from false. And in context, her blowing on her nails would make sense" Appreciate it
- ""Nothing broken? Whew, glad that battle's over, then." gesture of relief" Totally agree, still fits with the whole blowing on her nails thing though. But I guess this is a matter of opinion so everyone is free to believe what they wanna believe. Badag (talk) 04:57, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
- Exactly, it's a matter of opinion, so it doesn't go in the article. C A T U S E 05:00, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
- The idea is that saying she puts her hand over her heart is also a matter of opinion, since we're looking at a model with limited bones and no facial animation.
- I mean, look at what the article says now: "Aeris wipes dust off her clothes, her hair, and then bows a bit with her hand over her heart.". Nope. There is no dust. That would be a matter of opinion. 2.102.230.178 18:52, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
- The best we can do is objectively describe the physical motions of the model. Except for the dust bit, that's what it currently does. If we really want to get picky on this, just remove all mention of the phantom dust motes. 19:10, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
- Exactly, it's a matter of opinion, so it doesn't go in the article. C A T U S E 05:00, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Bringing this back up...
So, what're we doing with this page? It was never fully decided, was it? Do we keep the page, delete the page, add videos, or what? | |||
TidusTehSacrificer357 - "Don't you run, needles!" TALK - 01:41, May 18, 2013 (UTC) - Vote at the Fayth's Dream Arena! | |||
I love this page. Keep it. :P | |||
FFXIII-2
What's missing in the FFXIII-2 subsection? There are no hidden comments for this. Is it related to humanoid allies? I can't remember if they have a victory pose; haven't played the game in a while.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 22:02, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
- Probably. The monsters too? 2.102.231.93 22:09, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, maybe not. The section has been a sec-stub since before the game was released. So it may be complete, we just didn't know it at that time. 2.102.231.93 22:11, May 22, 2013 (UTC)