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What's missing in the FFXIII-2 subsection? There are no hidden comments for this. Is it related to humanoid allies? I can't remember if they have a victory pose; haven't played the game in a while.—[[User:Kaimi|Kaimi]] <font size="1">([[Special:Contributions/Kaimi|999,999 CP]]/[[User_talk:Kaimi|5 TP]])</font> 22:02, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
What's missing in the FFXIII-2 subsection? There are no hidden comments for this. Is it related to humanoid allies? I can't remember if they have a victory pose; haven't played the game in a while.—[[User:Kaimi|Kaimi]] <font size="1">([[Special:Contributions/Kaimi|999,999 CP]]/[[User_talk:Kaimi|5 TP]])</font> 22:02, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Probably. The monsters too? [[Special:Contributions/2.102.231.93|2.102.231.93]] 22:09, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Probably. The monsters too? [[Special:Contributions/2.102.231.93|2.102.231.93]] 22:09, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
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::Actually, maybe not. The section has been a sec-stub since before the game was released. So it may be complete, we just didn't know it at that time. [[Special:Contributions/2.102.231.93|2.102.231.93]] 22:11, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

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Darkness Special:Editcount/TenzaZangetsu February 5 2010 (UTC)  -   "The people shouldn't fear the government, the government should fear the people"
If I remember, I uploaded an image of Cloud's victory pose.

Thanks

Wow! Got up this morning to continue the work, and I see some bussy little poeple have done a fair job already! Thanks to everyone that pitched in! What more can I say? 23:38, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

XI?

Cúchulainn Glyph Art

(reason added due to request) So it's not really a victory pose then is it? I'll delete it! What more can I say? 12:42, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

VFD

Woton
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I must agree with Moo, though Xenomic makes a fair point. Should be interesting to see what happens What more can I say? 00:46, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Woton

Not so much a category of images, but the same function those pages provide could be accomplished with a tag for the Unrevisitable Locations, and Points of No Return. Add a tag to the Prima Vista and other such pages, and we could get rid of that article, just as you are suggesting with this one. The difference; you are suggesting doing it to images, Moo is suggesting doing it to pages. What more can I say? 00:58, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

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Woton
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The question with images becomes, where would they go? And a PONR location should explain why it can not be returned to in the story, no edit needed. What more can I say? 01:18, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think that the page should stay. Like others have said, they are a bit of a stable of the series, and while images can show some things, there are some that a description would work better.Red Silvers 02:09, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

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Thoughts, emotion, subtleties, things that may be hard for someone to see can be easily be painted with words. Beside, have a look at how many characters are listed. Are you really going to find a gif picture for each and everyone, also considering some have several victory poses. What more can I say? 03:01, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

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60px-Gregorio.jpg

Why not compromise? Why can't we just put both the .gifs and the words? The Final Fantasy Wiki is meant to be a library of information, so I say we should go with whatever informs our readers most. Lost Hero 18:38, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

I'm actually indifferent to the fate of this article, but I think if it were to stay, it would be best laid out in a similar manner to the Music of Final Fantasy page: list the poses in bullet-point form, then have a small gallery underneath each game with images of the poses. - Paramina 21:17, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Woton
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I second that we combine with victory fanfare. Balthierfan 21:34, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Dissidia Onion Sage 2
Saethori (T / C) 01:26, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
Believe in the future, and persist in the present, that's what I'll do!
I'm still sad that someone deleted what I added about FFXI with no listed reason. o.o

So I'm feeling a little nihilistic now. Send this page to the Void! (or merge it, whatever.)

Sorry about that Saethori, thought I had put it on here. Meh, anyway I deleted it because it wasn't really a victory Pose in the sense that the others are. Once more, sorry for the lack of explanation =( What more can I say? 12:42, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

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This is an important part of the Final Fantasy series and should be referenced on the wiki. Exdeath64 02:24, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

60px-Gregorio.jpg
CecildsNB

Populism is what a wiki is all about a GROUP OF PEOPLE collaborating to provide information about a topic. Let me pose (no pun intended) you a question: What would one lose from these words? If we had pictures, and no words, what would we gain? Nothing. What would we gain if we had pictures and words? Nothing. The information has been presented, many people offered information, the page has been built into a full standing article. Then you a select band come and demand it be destroyed, and (My opinion here) ignore everyone objections. If you want to make a category for images, go for it, I'm not stopping. But what do we lose by keeping the article?What more can I say? 11:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Though I be but a mere IP, I would like to tell yee about why I don't think it should be a category. You see, --- I've always been a fan of articles being in-depth and carrying every detail. I would love to see a million terminology pages, even if the term isn't restricted to just the FF series, or only makes sense in one game of the series. Terminology helps. Never been a fan of videos, and GIFs were never meant to be used for such things. A gallery would add to the article, or may I even suggest *shiver* a table? (a table would keep from an overflowing gallery, but tables are pure evil) --Even now, there's more that can be added to this article. A frog's victory pose is different to a normal character's. A category is not an article. And that's what I fear most. If it is not a content article, it is not intended for our readers to see.

But whatever. 88.110.91.159 14:00, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

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Woton

Technically, yes. In reality, no. When I want to find an image on Wikipedia (if for whatever reason I may wish to do so, Google is so much simpler) I type the subject into search, and look on the page for the image. I do not head into image categories. In the same way, I don't look for categories to find things, I look for List of articles. Essentially, List of articles are just a better way to display a category. So, in this case you want to use a category. Something that doesn't display and cover it as clearly. Images and words together, or videos and words together if we're going that way, is better than just videos. So the video explains all we need to know? Quite possibly. But categories are actually less organised than articles. There are two sides to this argument. There are those who think we should sort the videos/images in categories. And then there are those who think we should sort the videos/image in categories, and then have the article, neatly displaying them with additional explanation and text. If I am correct, the category is just going to say "Cid-victory-ffvii" next to "Cloud-victory-ffvii". In an article there will be a logical order to the videos/images (this can be done in a category, but is in actual fact, more work that probably won't be done). And there'd be a verbal description. Saying there's no need for the text is like saying there's no need for Appearance sections in articles since we have the images right there. Also, I don't like to stop what I'm doing on a page and watch videos (which is why I prefer images) which means text would be better for me. I donno, maybe it's just me.

Also tables are great at organising information in places. They're just impossible to place half-way through articles. Tables could easily work here, I just felt this talkpage a nice place to expel my distate for tables. 212.159.149.124 22:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

I am arguing the right case here? I just got confused right now. Also, crazy dynamic IP, I am the IP who posted further up, just with a drastically different IP. Even though it's the same computer, same browser (which shouldn't effect anything I don't think) and same everything else. 212.159.149.124 22:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Woton

Okay. Anyway, I know how image/video categories work. Seeing the image/video still doesn't help. Will there be a category for each game? I hope so. But you have to understand from the filenames what each one shows. I like wikis clear and simple. Yes, we can add redirects, but it's not the same. It doesn't count as a mainspace article. They're also pure evil. I just hate the idea of redirecting from one namespace to another. And I think that there is no need to. Mainly since I advocate the whole "if we have an image or a video it does more good in an article". I thought that was the point in the "unused files" special page? Although as we're not talking about being in a cateogory here, I don't know what we're talking about so I'll leave it at that.

Also, in regards to tables in location articles. Yeah I've seen them. They look awful. Especially when you try to add images into the mix too. Never place an image next to a table. And if you look how the tables are done in an article like Baron- okay, so there's sort of a consistency with colours. How about widths? Also, putting tables next to infoboxes-- there impossible to do since you need to get percentages right. It doesn't seem worth the time. Tables used to be cool back in the day. Evil now. 212.159.149.124 23:14, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Woton

OBJECTION! I think a table would be better. For games liek Dissidia, where there are twenty-two characters, and then more poses for special character, and more poses for Ex-modes, a massive gallery wouldn't be the best option. I think a table would. Pretty tables.

!20%|Character [(status {eg. Rod})]
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For games like VI, a gallery (or an imitation of) may suffice. In such cases I still think we should get all the images/animated sprites and show them in a pretty fashion. I say "imitation of" because I can't remember if there is a way to make the gallery play the images at their original resolution. Also the gallery spaces would be needlessly big.

Of course, I don't really care, and it doesn't really effect me. But I think tables would be pretty. ;D 212.159.149.124 00:35, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


Ok, I apologize for the populism remark, I had a different definition (similar to communism, a society where all are equal, the made difference being that one man does not work for everyone, but only himself and those that assist in the same employment. Like clustered communism I guess...)


That's like saying that somebody narrating to you the plot Star Wars and watching the films are exchangeable and convey the exact same emotion and reaction.


Ever compared a film adaption of Hamlet to the script? Ever read Eragon then seen the movie? Lord of the Rings? Dune? The list goes on. If a paragraph is well written, it can convey a far more information then a picture ever can. EVER CAN. A viewer can miss something, overlook something else. The words detail everything, and thus nothing is missed.


As usual, a demand such as this is no made in words, but in the way in which they are spoken, thus I placed the ignore everyone objections and a select band come and demand in the same paragraph, I meant the second part as justification to the former.


As for the my opinion line, I was simply trying to tone down the force of my message. I was attempting to show that I am not taking the role of any higher being, but simply disguising a matter with a peer. I was in no way hiding behind anything, if I was any bit afraid of what I was saying, I have a tendency to delete it entirely.


As for ignoring everyone's opinion. The discussion had gone stale for A WEEK. In 7 days not a soul posted anything, so someone assumed (and rightfully) that the discussion had concluded, and removed the tag. Your words when you put it back on: "Who removed the delete template? This issue isn't over yet".


I see this as attempting to overrule all others. Their is a word I would use for that, but you'll probably write a ten page rant about me using that one word, so I will not. The discussion was closed. If no one has said anything in a week, but no discussion has been reached, obviously we are at a stalemate, and must agree to disagree. As all points and opinions have been made, all retorts have been said, and all explanations are given. No one has swayed the other, thus stalemate.


Then you reopened the discussion, by restating what many people have already said no to; category:Character Victory Poses.


And here; But since so many users think otherwise, then we keep the content and try to make it as illustrative as possible. you say this, stating that the article will stay, then continue to argue to the effect of its removal... MAKE UP YOUR MIND! Stay or go? I care about that less then you switching sides.

As this is very verbose, I will leave it here. Retort as you will. What more can I say? 00:46, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Woton
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Woton
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Pose, pose, pose, forgot one pose!

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Not all games have level up poses (eg. 7-10 show levelups on a seperate screen so no poses) and many of the earlier games either don't have one or are the same as victory pose. Although there is one pose they forgot - dissidia EX Mode poses - some are different to normal poses. Balthierfan 10:35, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Victory Dance?

I've always heard it called a "victory dance." It's more of a dance than a pose, really. You stand still for a pose. Am I the only one who's had this? Is it widespread enough to merit a mention? Bluestarultor 18:59, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

New Video

For Dissida. Mainly to include Dissida 012. Also, we need one in English that has ALL of them. AmbieSushi 01:25, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Aerith's victory pose

I tried editing it once, but it got changed.

Wouldn't it make more sense if she were to blow on her nails to wipe off the dust she would have gotten from her clothes and her hair? Besides, seeing as Aerith is quite girly, it wouldn't be surprising.

Let's not fall into the cliché that she must be putting her hand on her heart, like many other females in FF, just for the sake of it. Badag (talk) 18:30, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

But she does put her hand over her heart. She puts her hand over her heart, leans back, then leans forward. Her hand is in the wrong place for her to blow on her nails. 92.28.179.168 19:32, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
I told you the reason I reverted your edit. You do not have proof that she does this. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 19:50, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
I read your message, and quite frankly I don't understand ; do you honestly think that we can gather information just based on actual facts and proofs, especially for a game where most of what we think we see won't be accurate due to poor resolution? Can you guarantee that she puts her hand on her heart either? I mean it's not like it's easy to see, and absolutely not ambiguous. That's why I tried reaching to some kind of common sense because it would definitely be more logical for her to blow on her nails considering she was previously wiping off dust, wouldn't it? But I guess people will have pages they follow, and get protective of them thus preventing editing. Too bad. Badag (talk) 21:17, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
lawl, "do you honestly think that we can gather information just based on actual facts and proofs". That's awesome, that should be a T-shirt. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
>do you honestly think that we can gather information just based on actual facts and proofs
I think that was the fastest loss of an argument I have ever seen. User:R8.50Mango/Sig221:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
:| April 1 was 3 days ago, dude. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:23, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
In the guys defense, we're not exactly sourcing an Ultimania when we say she puts her hand over her heart, it's what we say from what we see. So what he says is far from false. And in context, her blowing on her nails would make sense. I just don't see how this looks like she's blowing on her nails. 92.28.179.168 22:38, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
I always saw her victory pose as a "Nothing broken? Whew, glad that battle's over, then." gesture of relief. Blowing on nails? Hah. No. Espritduo (talk) 00:21, April 5, 2013 (UTC)


Wow, really? Quoting just part of what I said is real fair. I said "do you honestly think that we can gather information just based on actual facts and proofs, especially for a game where most of what we think we see won't be accurate due to poor resolution?" The comma meant it was the same sentence, didn't it?
"we're not exactly sourcing an Ultimania when we say she puts her hand over her heart, it's what we say from what we see. So what he says is far from false. And in context, her blowing on her nails would make sense" Appreciate it
""Nothing broken? Whew, glad that battle's over, then." gesture of relief" Totally agree, still fits with the whole blowing on her nails thing though. But I guess this is a matter of opinion so everyone is free to believe what they wanna believe. Badag (talk) 04:57, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Exactly, it's a matter of opinion, so it doesn't go in the article. C A T U S E 05:00, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
The idea is that saying she puts her hand over her heart is also a matter of opinion, since we're looking at a model with limited bones and no facial animation.
I mean, look at what the article says now: "Aeris wipes dust off her clothes, her hair, and then bows a bit with her hand over her heart.". Nope. There is no dust. That would be a matter of opinion. 2.102.230.178 18:52, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
The best we can do is objectively describe the physical motions of the model. Except for the dust bit, that's what it currently does. If we really want to get picky on this, just remove all mention of the phantom dust motes. 19:10, April 5, 2013 (UTC)


Bringing this back up...

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FFXIII-2

What's missing in the FFXIII-2 subsection? There are no hidden comments for this. Is it related to humanoid allies? I can't remember if they have a victory pose; haven't played the game in a while.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 22:02, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Probably. The monsters too? 2.102.231.93 22:09, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, maybe not. The section has been a sec-stub since before the game was released. So it may be complete, we just didn't know it at that time. 2.102.231.93 22:11, May 22, 2013 (UTC)