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Is this Black or White magic? I know it was white in FFII, but I've heard it was black in some other games... Armond 17:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- It's Black. At least, in most games. Just let it stay black. --220.127.116.11 18:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm fine with leaving it in Category:Black Magic, but should we make a note of which games are exceptions? Could be helpful. Armond
- Well, lets see:
- FFII: haven't played.
- FFVI: most fans consider attack magic to be "Black."
- FFVII: magic unclassified.
- FFVIII: magic unclassified.
- FFX: classified as Black Magic.
- FFT: haven't played.
- FFXII: haven't gotten far enough. Crazyswordsman 00:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm fine with leaving it in Category:Black Magic, but should we make a note of which games are exceptions? Could be helpful. Armond
- They didn't really classify the Magic that way. If they did, Fire and Ice would be in different classes. Crazyswordsman 06:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- In II it's white. It has the same casting animation (the little white aura around the character's feet, as opposed to the green one) as Holy, and GameFAQs also claims it's white. Don't know if they tested it to see if it was based off of Spirit or Intelligence or got it from a guide, but I could go and test it later today if I needed to (once I get away from the damn SFUSD block pages and can go on gamefaqs to find out what the spell damage formulae are). VI I'd like a proper check on - just because the fans consider it to be something doesn't mean it actually is, and I was actually checking here to see if I should get Yuna or Lulu into Kahmari's zone first. By the same token, I could come back to check if I should teach Firion or Maria (generally my White and Black mages, respectively) Ultima along with Holy and Flare.
- Is that at all coherent? I think I changed my mind on what I was going to talk about halfway through. Armond 17:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
It's classified as Black in Final Fantasy VI Advance. I don't think the original says, though. In Final Fantasy II it's white. In Final Fantasy X it's Black. Kageryushin 01:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, CSM, but in FFVIII Fire and Ice are separate. Since the only way we have of classifying them is to refer to the GFs' Refine abilities, we get the following groups:
Sorry also to Kokushishin, because you'll notice that Flare is Fire Magic, not Forbidden Magic. Let it also be known that I don't agree with much of the categorisation. If we take "Time" to mean "Space-time", then I can just about understand Quake being in that group, but WTF with the wind magic being classed as Thunder?
You realize CSM's comment was made over two years ago, right?
Ehehehe... *bump ^.^
Although it wasn't entirely directed at him, just that it was relevant to his comment. Besides, it's no less valid a point after two years' gap. Isn't the purpose of the wiki to (aspire to) present the most accurate information possible?
On an unrelated note, Drake, I am finding your FFVI walkthrough v. useful. I've commented on a couple of the talk pages, if you're interested, though I wouldn't blame you if you couldn't care less :P
Apologies for going off topic, but I just wanted to mention it...
In FFT, Ultima is de-facto Blue magic(learned by being damaged) and in II it is White(technically,because it used all spell levels rather than an actual status). However, because it is non-light offense it should stay in black.AJ Werefang 20:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't we disimbig Ultima? --Lycentia 21:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
In FFVIII, isn't it just the most supreme irony that the Draw Point in the home of the peace-loving Dobe is Ultima, considering that Ultima is the most destructive spell in the game (after Apocalypse)? XD I'd be inclined to say that it's probably deliberate.
Never did trust that guy, wonder what else he's hideing.
Issue with FFT claims[edit source]
"The spell Ultima usable by players delivers powerful non-elemental damage on all opponents in its spell radius, which is that of a normal spell."
This is spreading misinformation. Unless the formula in War of the Lions has been altered from the original, and I don't believe it has, the spell is just slightly less powerful than Fira, Thundara, and Blizzara. It's only strengths are its fast charge time and low mp cost. It cannot be utilized to its potential without using the skillset as a secondary for a magic class, and in doing so, you essentially waste the secondary skills slot for a single spell, unless you love to abuse Tailwind and Shout. Bottom line, the spell is not powerful whatsoever and is not even worth using as it can't be beefed up by element boosting equipment and cannot take advantage of any elemental weaknesses. Thunder is a preferable element to utilize for neutral resistances for those same reasons and the lack of any monsters that resist it, especially as Thundara is actually stronger.
I won't edit it myself as I'm sure someone would change an edit from a random passerby back to what it was in a heartbeat, especially if I provided no explanation. 01:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- You could have just removed the single word you had offense with and added a blurb for summary, but if you prefer the essay, that's your prerogative. --BlueHighwind ツ 02:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Ultima (FFIX)?[edit source]
If we have articles on Holy and Meteor from 7, shouldn't 9's Ultima get similar treatment? It's a powerful, non-usable story spell that serves as a world-destroying power, just like Meteor--may not have as much storyline, but Holy (7)'s page is about the same size as I reckon Ultima's would end up being. Dazuro 09:42, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be some edit warring over if the vid is needed or not. And no offense to you Zeemis, but I'm on the side that it isn't. It isn't very professional looking and doesn't add much to the page in its current state. But remove or replace, the edit warring stops now on both sides so we can discuss this rationally. Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:20, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
Adonzo, Zeemis, please stop back-and-forth reverting each other's edits. If you want to remove/keep the video, discuss it here. No edit-warring, particularly with generic summaries. — YuanSalve!Acta 06:18, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
- There are several issues with the video in question, all of which I touched on a bit in my summaries but Zeemis chose to ignore
- Most damning is the use of modded content in the FF6 part.
- Videos where the first thing you hear are "Hey this is so-and-so making a video of such-and-such" are not wiki material.
- There are better "history" videos out there, an issue with this one in particular is that there is way too much fluff. it could easily be half its current length.
- Aaaaand its quite simply unnecessary.--Adonzo 06:27, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
I personally made the video for this page on the wikia, took me about a week and a half to download the roms, isos needed and get them recorded into 720p HD quality. It took me hours to convert it into mp4 and even longer to upload, only to have it taken down by this person. While I do have my own summon content from my FF6 hack, it shouldn't dismiss the main content at hand. It's relevant to the video subject, whether it be hacked in or not. The graphics are from FFTA, only implemented into FF6. My custom content starts at: 3:45 and ends at 4:02, that's about 17 seconds of custom footage out of 11 minutes total. I even state in the top right hand corner that I hacked it in. A whopping 17 seconds shouldn't make this video illegal to the wikia. Adonzo, who're you to decide who gets to post a video on the Wikia and who doesn't? -Zeemis
Zeemis, if you want the video on here so bad, why don't you just chop the mod content out, and your introduction, and maybe slim it down a little (11 minutes? Are you freaking serious? That's massive!) and reupload it? You get your video, and Adonzo can't complain. Problem solved. Likeacupcake 06:37, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Honestly I can't find any policy section on the site regarding modded content, probably because it simply hasn't been an issue til now, but most Wikia's have policies against placing modded content in the main space, so my by bad for assuming that? Still, the effort you put into a video has no bearing on whether it is appropriate or not. If you really want it to stick around, put it on your userpage, you got enough broken videos there as is.
The video contained over ten different clips, each 2-5GB or more in file size. The upload size of the video was about 350MB. 11 minutes is fine, it's actually not really enough. I would have added more clips in if it weren't for YouTubes anal video length restrictions. Adonzo states there are other videos that show all the Ultima spell variations in one video. I dare one of you to find a video of this quality on YouTube (or anywhere on the internet). No, I dare you to at least find another video, any quality will surpass. If you can't, then make one yourself with better editing, quality and over all content (more variations from other FF games I may have missed). Until then, quit bitching about it. Me having an auditory introduction and seventeen seconds of custom content does not warrant the creation of a weeks worth of new content. No, I didn't keep the clips. I never keep the footage of my videos once I render them to the final format and upload them to YouTube. That's foolish and ultimately unwise because it builds up on your PC. -Zeemis
If I may say something on this matter (which I rarely do when it comes to disputes), it is usually wise, when making videos, to always save the clips anyways (at least, if you can on an external or something. If not then...I guess there's not much you can do about that). While yes, it did take weeks to do, most videos of that kind never have commentary in them, nor edited material sadly. On the flipside, playing Devil's Advocate here, it COULD be useful to have a video showcasing all of these spells, but then we'd end up with having to do that for every spell page, equipment page, and so on and so forth, which is just a lot of videos to do. To add to this, sometimes pictures are best used instead of videos. This article being a prime example I think...though I guess sometimes it's best to show how the spells do look...for example, a picture of FFVII's Ultima doesn't really show much other than a green screen. My opinion: Videos are nice, but ONLY if the material used in the video is worth showing (Limit Breaks, spells that can't' be shown with words like Doomsday, etc). This article could use it, but without all of the extra stuff.I would say try this again, but you don't want to spend the time to do so, so not going to go any further on that.
Grats, you are in fact the owner of the only readily available History of Ultima video. Got me there. And? That doesn't make it a good video. The spell animation itself tends to be very short, yet you show several minutes of completely unnecessary information (the Crisis Core part springs to mind).
As Xenomic said, videos such these might be a good idea for spell pages. Alternately, we could go the route of our summon pages (ie. Shiva (Summon)/Summon Sequences). But they need to be better than this.At any rate, I'm going to bed. This needs more (decisive) discussion from people who aren't me, because apparently my word means nothing. In particular the modded content part needs to be discussed and perhaps policy made regarding such issues.
Now I think you gave me more work to do with those pages D: I can pretty much do clips like those for other summons if they don't have em D:
Okay, we don't use videos in articles except on music articles where we don't have a ogg, and on subpages especially made for videos. I swear that's our policy. Secondly, I don't want to sound harsh, but just because it took you two hours to do something, and I do it better in two-minutes doesn't mean your version is better. It just means it takes longer. In this situation, it's better without. Probably. We don't usually have videos. They needlessly break the flow of an article. Short gifs, a few seconds in length is as far as we go in terms of movement in articles. And, in bold and italics, "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here".
If we were to say, "it isn't necessary, and would be better without, but you spent time on that so we should keep it" then we wouldn't have a very good wiki. People always feel bad to revert someone else's hard work. I do too. But that's how the wiki slips away from perfection. 18.104.22.168 11:55, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
FFI and FFV[edit source]
So if Final Fantasy I and V are the only main game without this spell, you think they'll let them have this spell in Part 1 of the Legend Of Final Fantasy collection (Final Fantasy Classics Collection for the US)?...You know once they decide to make a 2-part collection of every main FF game 1-12? The 1st part will be for the 3DS. ;)
I think the claim about how powerful ultima is in XIII is pretty misleading. At least during the fight with barthandelous (may have slaughtered the spelling), ultima is EXTREMELY weak compared to the other final fantasies. My party barely made it to the battle with barthandelous, yet getting hit with ultima during the battle probably only took out somewhere between a third and half of their health. --22.214.171.124 23:55, August 5, 2012 (UTC) May I also add (forgot to log in on the post above) that NONE of them where sentinels when it hit for that little- it was usually either a pair of commandos and a medic, or a saboteur, ravager, and medic. --McBob49 (talk) 00:01, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
In WOTL Melee[edit source]
Can you get hit by another player with Ultima and learn it?
Why Final Fantasy's Very First Ultima Spell Was Useless[edit source]
Interesting read, made me laugh. Read more at http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/20/final-fantasys-first-ultima-spell-useless/#7y0XhfzlSJFmS6lD.99 Fenrir9 (talk) 05:05, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
Ultima from dragon quest stars[edit source]
hello everyone, borjitasstoi have a question and its about there a mobile dragon quest game has released in 2020 in global but this game its so old and japanese players are more stronger
okay on topic, i have a picture about ultima from that game are in the game i dont know its better in this wiki or on dragon quest wiki.
11:51, May 4, 2020 (UTC)