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SerahEdit

Hey guys? It says Serah in the official trailer. On the NA website. (with subs) Should we move it?--Zack fair 007 18:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

The North American trailer confused me, because they didn't refer to "Serah" as a race or object, but rather a person. "Its because of you that Serah is..." Now I'm worried that we may be wrong once again as to what this "Serah" or "Sera" thing is. --BlueHighwind 20:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm starting to think It's a person too...Well, we'll just change the page back to what it really means after we find out what it is. until then, --Zack fair 007 23:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Is a gender ever specified? It might be the boy in the new E3 '09 trailer. Just a thought. Silver Dragon XXVIII 18:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Well now cause the demo i bet its that old lady. Plus i think the boy resembles her, so theyre probaly related.
It's pointless to speculate it until we get a confirmation from S-E. I have to say though that I doubt Hope's mother is Serah, since she is someone that both Lightning and Snow know. SamSandy 12:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Her necklace Edit

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So it is, nice observation. I wonder if part of FF13's plot will be what Eidolon she has? Lightning calls Odin from her necklace, who would Serah call? Drake Clawfang 17:17, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Serah's necklace is the "engagement ring" from Snow. And Lightning doesn't call Odin from her necklace, but from the mark of the l'Cie in her chest.SamSandy 09:29, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Voice Actress Edit

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It's no rumor. It's Laura Bailey. But then again...it's gonna be hard to press that on the douchebags around here who refuse to accept anything before the game's out...--NeutraVega 18:18, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, doesn't it suck how we don't let baseless speculation into articles and like to wait for you know, sources? Drake Clawfang 18:19, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
You are welcome to source a link from SquareEnix that lists Serah's voice actress as Laura Bailey, NeutraVega. 8bit 18:25, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Betting on the a Future Event Edit

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Could it have something to do with the fact the trailer pretty much shows her dying in Lightning's arms? Drake Clawfang 05:59, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Wait she does?! O_o I never see the trailer, so that was wild guess.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 06:03, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
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Character templates Edit

Just to be sure... Are the character templates used for all important characters in games, or only for playable characters? MMLN メーマウリアン 19:20, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Only playable. And thus the template must go (because for what we know she's NPC). ScatheMote 19:29, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Playable? (Finally, a sign)Edit

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It would be cool if she was playble. It's been a while since we don't have siblings in the party, right? Final Fantasy VI was the last, wasn't it?

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Errm? What you're saying is we can't add anyone to the NPC list because for all we know, they end up as temporary, or even permanently playable characters. They're NPCs until proven otherwise.  ILHI 13:59, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
This is just your speculation, it has no place in an encyclopedic article. It certainly isn't "trivia" about the character, either.SamSandy 22:23, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

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The logo is Vanille, Fang, Odin's horse, and Serah's necklace. :) .

She changed Lightning! Edit

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Serah's destiny Edit

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Serah's Focus was to lure more people to Anima, so more l'Cies could be made. She completed it when the protagonists found her near Anima, and was crystallized. Redigo 22:03, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

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I can't read the story because I don't want to spoil it for myself, so I'll assume you're right. :p Judge Balthier 21:58, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Lyrics in Serah's Theme: Japanese/English Version? Edit

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Her eventual Eidolon Edit

What do you think would be Serah's Eidolon? I've got theory that it would be Ark. Why?
—"Serah's name comes from recurring princess, Sarah was playable in Final Fantasy IX (she is more knows as Garnet/Dagger), and this character have a unique summon Ark which is the only non-recurring summon in her Summons arsenal. Also the name Eidolon was first applied in this game."
I think that's quite enough to consider Ark as her Eidolon. What are your propositions?—Kaimi 16:52, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

The others' Eidolons sync with how they are in battle, and I can't really imagine Serah in a battle. What would be her weapon? Her element? Snow gets Shiva because ice-element, Lightning gets the god of thunder Odin, Sazh and his fire-elemental knightess, Fang gets physical strength, healer Hope gets a holy-elemental fortress and guess Vanille is just ... so ... naturey? ;) to get the earth-elemental summon. I dunno about Serah. Leviathan and her element is water?Keltainentoukokuu 17:00, August 12, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

I don't see her as Water-oriented l'Cie, in spite of that she lives in Bodhum, seaside town. Ark is somewhat a mean of transport, Serah's someone like this, too, you know: she "transports" additional humans to Anima. The only thing that don't matches for me is Ark's signature attack, Eternal Darkness, which deals Shadow damage.I'd say she rather Wind-oriented l'Cie, because wind moves freely. Serah was kind of independent person.—Kaimi 19:25, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Serah playable in FFXIII-2 Edit

If she's playable she will need an infobox, right?Keltainentoukokuu 16:47, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Aye. I don't believe we have a XIII-2 infobox yet though. Once we have one yes, she'll get one. Doreiku Kuroofangu 17:42, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Age Edit

I think we should hold off on the age until we get an official confirmation. 5 years seems a bit unbelievable for now. Koharu Nami 21:15, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

We have an official confirmation. A guardian corps soldier states the purged occured 5 years in the past in FFXIII-2 gameplay demo. - Henryacores^ 21:47, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
Still the 5 year thing is unbelievable... Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 22:21, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
But we have an official confirmation. Bluetash 14:58, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
There was over a decade between IV and the After Years, so 5 years isn't unbelieveable. Square usually does the whole "Two Years" thing (AC and X-2). And then there's Crisis Core, which took place over 7 years. AmbieSushi To think that mother would prefer Sephiroth over... 19:00, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image Edit

Shouldn't the playable character infobox image be her XIII-2 self since that's when she is playable? Bluetash 14:58, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. See Golbez and Calca and Brina. - Henryacores^ 15:39, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
There isn't an official render of it available yet, though. Once Square releases it we can change it.HarpieSiren 15:43, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
We'd use the one from FFXIII, however. Again, see Golbez and Calca and Brina, or even Yuna and Rikku. Initial appearances. - Henryacores^ 15:45, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
Oh really?  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 18:28, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
Ya really. There is no official artwork for FFXII characters. See Hurdy too.
Note that we almost always use artwork over renders for infoboxes. XII and XIII are the only exceptions.
That, and main series games' appearances should ALWAYS take precedence over spin-offs. It's only logical (and a spoiler prevention) that the most well-known appearance is up there at the introduction. - Henryacores^ 22:36, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
I think we should use a FFXIII-2 image for a FFXIII-2 infobox. Yuna and Rikku have a shared FFX and FFX-2 infoboxes it seems, and I don't know what is the thing with FF4 articles, but we have some stats and stuff for Golbez and the dolls since they were still in battles, Golbez even for the player's side (for a scripted battle only though). Zack Fair also has Crisis Core art rather than FF7 art (though of course full body art doesn't even exist for FF7, but a character portrait does exist).
EDIT:Ah I was thinking of the Ehrgeiz art; so no Zack doesn't have any FF7 art at all then.Keltainentoukokuu 21:49, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Might I suggest using this file:

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We could cut out Serah and post that render in the infobox. I'd recommend we do the same with Lightning... - DFF Cosmos Piece The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece 02:55, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

No we shouldn't because we should keep with the FFXIII image for both. - Henryacores^ 19:36, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
"Yes. See Golbez and Calca and Brina."
Don't you mean "No"? Bluetash 23:59, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
I do. - Henryacores^ 01:21, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Has come to be part of the "We should have her XIII-2 Art in the Info Box" crowd. I mean really ... dont any of you think, just the slightest bit, that it looks wierd with her XIII CG Render with the 13-2 info box and colors?
I mean just look at Al-Cid Margrace, he has the FF Tactics Info Box, and his FF Tactics art at the top. and his FF12 CG Render in the FFXII Story section. Cant we just do the same with Serah and end the arguments?
I also think it would look nicer that way.
Ixbran 20:48, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 21:09, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

The question though, is that image official, or just something someone edited from an official piece? HarpieSiren 15:49, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Apparently it's cut-out from that image up there.Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 22:32, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
Then we probably shouldn't use it in the infobox.... HarpieSiren 00:41, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Fact is, we shouldn't use her XIII-2 image in the infobox in any way. Sure, she is only playable in that game. Sure, she has a XIII-2 infobox. But like Golbez, and unlike Al-Cid Margrace, Serah is a pivotal character in XIII, which is also a main series game and the first game she appears in and a game where she has more attention than a playable character (Hope is pretty much non-existant after Palumpolum). I don't take any of this rules into account individually, but with all of this taken in consideration, it sounds fair her XIII's appearance should be side to side with the introduction paragraph. - Henryacores^ 22:22, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Someone already pointed this out, but the image in the infobox now isn't even official CG art of her from XIII-2, just her cropped out of the above other official promotional image. Even if we were going to use XIII-2 art (which I feel we shouldn't, for reasons Henry explained above), we wouldn't use that particular image anyway. So why is it there?--Otherarrow 23:44, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I changed the render back to her XIII one because of an issue brought up on the XIII-2 image's talk page. The picture was just a cut out anyway and we should wait for a better render. Koharu Nami 05:33, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Now that her official XIII-2 render is out, I think it should be kept in the infobox while her XIII render should be in her "Appearance and Personality" section. I get the whole thing about Serah being an important character to XIII's story, but the main point is: she wasn't playable in XIII. Besides, putting her original render in the infobox might confuse people into thinking that she will be playable while in her school girl outfit when that is clearly not how it is. User:FFfangirl 3:45 p.m., September 1, 2011

Yuna and Rikku's X image is in their respective infoboxes, I see no reason why it should be any different here. -- EGingell Talk,WoW Pedia 02:46, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
Yuna and Rikku were playable in X and it's an X infobox with extra X-2 info added on. HarpieSiren 06:38, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
Irrelevant. She's a primary character in FFXIII and it was her first appearance. I know this is only the second sequel in the series and the first time an NPC becomes a PC, but is it really necessary to fight over semantics? If y'all want to compromise, you can make separate pages with a disambig. E.g. "Serah Farron (Final Fantasy XIII)" and "Serah Farron (Final Fantasy XIII-2)" or "Serah Farron (NPC)" and "Serah Farron (PC)". -- EGingell Talk,WoW Pedia 07:00, September 2, 2011 (UTC) Edit: Or have tabs like on some enemy infoboxes.

l'Cie Paradigms? Edit

So, was it ever said whether or not Serah and Dajh lost their brands at the end of Final Fantasy XIII? Because I was under the impression that, alongside the party members, they were no longer l'Cie. So, under this thought, how can she use paradigms in XIII-2, if she is not longer a l'Cie and doesn't have access to magic? Of course, since she does, this means she probably still is, but was it ever made clear, or was it left open? A.J. two (Smashboards) 09:03, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the game is gonna explain how she has the abilities HarpieSiren 14:54, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, like everyone else.Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 06:33, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

if she is still a L'Cie maybe she has the access to a summon in XIII-2??

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Some things... Edit

The page says she's right-handed as well it is depicted on some screenshot, but she seems to be ambidextrous as seen here. So it means she fight like Noel? And the screenshot from the blog shows her slashing with her sword in same way as Lightning so I presume that when she fight close-combat she uses her sword in "Lightning-style".—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 15:06, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

... I can only see her using her right hand... Likeacupcake 15:29, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Debate Edit

Okay, let's sit down and hammer this out - when a character is playable in a spin-off but not their first appearance, do we use an image from their first appearance or from the spin-off? We use the character template from the spin-off since they're playable in that, but apparently Henryacores and perhaps others, I forget, feel we should use an image from the original. IMO this isn't sensical, to use the spin-off template under the justification "well they're playable in this game and not the other", but not to apply this perfectly logical reasoning to the image featured in the template. We should be consistent, if we're gonna use the infobox for a certain game the infobox should use art from that game - we could put the FF7 CG renders of the characters in their infoboxes, or TAY artwork in the FF4 boxes, but we shouldn't.

And to recap, here's a list of pages effected by this and their current state. Note that with the first three examples an image from the game that the infobox is for was used and Henry has only recently changed them.

There may be others as well, I'm uncertain. So what do we do? Do we use a main series image regardless of which game the character originated from, or do we use art to match the infobox they're using? Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:00, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well for Serah, it's logical to use her XIII-2 render since she's playable in the XIII-2. And she's an important part in XIII, yeah, but she's obviously more important in XIII-2. I guess I feel it could go either way but it would be more appropriate to use her XIII-2 render. Koharu Nami 02:06, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Main series games should have precedence. They're the main entries of the series and are far more popular.
However, Ba'Gamnan doesn't have a solo render. But I don't give a damn anymore. - Henryacores^ 02:10, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • Al-Cid - his page used to have the Tactics art work at the top. For a long while now, check the history and you'll see. it was only just recently changed. Possibly by someone trying to have things go their way.
  • Golbez - Golbez was playable in FF4 in a sense. in that one scene when he and FuSoYa fought the one monster(forget, dont feel like going back to find its name) So using his original FF4 art work is fine.
  • Calca and Brina - they don't have their own official TAY art work to use that's just about them. The only image from that game thats available is the one of them and Luca. their original art is all that can be used that soly focus's on them.

Serahs appearance in 13-2 is a more important role. And no this is not a Spin-Off its a Direct-Sequel. a Spin-Off would be something like VsXIII or Agito-XIII.
Using her 13-2 CG Model makes the most sence because of the fact she has a 13-2 character info Box.
Ixbran 02:20, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to add Reno on the list. His infobox uses his Before Crisis artwork, not his FFVII artwork (although no individual art exists for FFVII he could easily be cropped from the Turks picture...), even if his FFVII appearance is much better known by the audience of this wiki. I think the artwork that matches the infobox should be used. Zack is an NPC in FFVII and uses Crisis Core art in CC infobox, but then it would be total bonkers to do it any other way anyway.Keltainentoukokuu 04:13, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Ixbran brings up a point, while it's brought up - do we technically want to consider the AI battles with Ze(ro)mus playable for Golbez? This would mean we switch userboxes. Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:33, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Sephiroth has an infobox for being an uncontrollable guest character in (basically) scripted battles, too. Sephiroth actually has some battle stats you can view though, in FFIV the "battle" is there just because they use in-game graphics for all cutscenes...Keltainentoukokuu 04:39, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how much stock you want to put into this, but in FFIVDS, which did have cutscenes, the battle of Golbez and Fusoya against Zemus wasn't one, the scene shifted to a normal battle scene. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:11, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Slash dose have a point. in the DS Remake of FF4 that 'scene' dose still show up as a standard battle with Golbez and FuSoYa fighting that big guy (still forgets his name). Wouldn't that count as a temporary guest character? Like Seph from 7?
Ixbran 06:24, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Normally I'd say yes, but Fusoya, who already had been a playable character before leaving your party, wasn't controllable either. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 13:27, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Golbez appears in the player-party's side in a battle in FFIV and therefore counts as a character. IMO.

Also, use TAY images for TAY infoboxes. Use XIII-2 images for XIII-2. That way we don't have ridiculous rules, and only have one rule. Of course, we'll need another image if character's don't have artwork, but it doesn't make much sense to me to use artwork from another game. 79.69.206.135 22:47, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

l'Cie in XIII-2 Edit

Should there be mention of Serah's l'Cie brand seen in the Despair trailer? It's back on her right arm. Mierna 06:13, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it was actually there. It looked like something made it appear.HarpieSiren 06:36, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
The fact is, it only appeared briefly, while it's hidden though most of her appearances in-game. It looks as if the brand's "scar" was scanned.
We should wait for more information. - Henryacores^ 21:46, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

It was as if something that looked like the Pulse Vestige detected that she used to be a Pulse l'Cie, and that resulted in the people in the city being turned into Cie'th. User:FFfangirl 6:10 p.m., October 10, 2011

Story section Edit

Especially the XIII-2 section, needs a serious trimming. I've never played the games so I have no knowledge of the important plot points to be covered, but as it stands now it's a game summary, and it absolutely cannot be that. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:45, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah...like the whole beginning section could be just "Serah wakes up one night when a meteor crashes nearby and monsters attack the town. Serah is saved by a mysterious man who gives her a moogle that can transform into a weapon and tells it's a gift from Lightning. After finding out the meteor is actually a Time Gate Noel takes Serah on a quest to find her long lost sister..." bla bla...instead of the 10 paragraphs it's here.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 01:59, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
That's pretty much the case with all XIII and XIII-2 stuff, IMO C A T U S E 02:01, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
It's terrible though, please someone edit them. FFXIII-2 section here cropped quite a bit, dunno how well it flows though.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 03:38, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

In Lightning Returns there is a girl called Lumina who resembles Serah. Is Serah reborn same as Yeul?

First off, mysterious IP address, please sign up to this awesome site! Secondly, there is bound to be some connection to her mysterious Serah look-a-likiness. Whether she is a reborn version of Serah is something i guess we'll have to wait to find out. For now, we just have take the resemblance to be coincidental. COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 18:28, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

"Central protagonist"?Edit

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The events in XIII basically occur because of Serah, she is the main character of the second game where Lightning, though plot important, almost does nothing, and I don't know the story of the third plot (nor do I care to know) but I imagine she has some strong importance.

She seems just as important as Lightning. The trilogy is essentially the tale of the two sisters. JBed (talk) 21:25, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

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Lightning is the main protagonist of FFXIII. Serah is the main protagonist of FFXIII-2. Lightning is the main protagonist of Lightning Returns (as far as we know - remember when everyone thought Lightning would be one of the main playable characters of FFXIII-2 from the way the game was advertised?). Just being important or a source of motivation for other characters doesn't make one a protagonist. The protagonist is the character that moves the story forward through struggles with the antagonist (or antagonistic force, doesn't have to actually be a person, just whatever the protag is struggling against), and who's perspective the audience experiences the story from (ie, if we were to experience the story from Dysley's perspective, he would actually be the protagonist, and Lighting and co. would be the antagonists. The labels do not necessarily have to line up with good vs. evil or even hero vs. villain, although they usually do). Serah is nothing more than a plot device, literally, in FFXIII. She's a hunk of crystal for the entire game. She has NO protagonistic role in the story of any kind, except for, like, the first few minutes of the game before she crystallizes, and even then she's more of a princess that needs saving background character. Espritduo (talk) 01:48, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

^^That is all true. But I think we can assume that Kaimi doesn't actually mean protagonist, but instead "main character", or just central character. She is unarguably not the protagonist of the first and third games. JBed (talk) 12:28, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
Well...I tend to mix up various things, like the "protagonist – main character" thing. Maybe we could call her "deuteragonist"? We say in the opening paragraph for FFIX Dagger that she's deuteragonist, after all. Saying in Serah's opening paragraph "supporting character in Final Fantasy XIII and the main protagonist (Isn't the protagonist already a main character? Also it bites a bit with Noel's opening paragraph.) in Final Fantasy XIII-2" doesn't do justice for me, but well: anyone has different view on different characters, like I don't consider Lightning to be the protagonist of FFXIII, but someone else, but it's for another discussion. I just want it to be fair with most (if not all) the contributors and readers.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 13:00, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
Deuteragonist is a bit of a stretch. She's a crystal for the entirety of XIII, and there's no doubt she won't be in Lightning Returns. The only real time she can be considered a protagonist is in XIII-2, though some may argue that Noel is more fitting of the role on account of his relationship with Caius. If I had any say in the matter, the most sense would be: "Serah Farron is a major character in the XIII saga", or something of the sort (is it considered a saga?) But personally I think it reads better the way it is now. If it ain't broke don't fix it, et cetera... Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 14:24, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Models' HeightsEdit

I'm using MMD, a programme which is designed to make music videos with 3D character models, and I have both models for FFXIII and FFXIII-2 Serah. While making a comparison image, I noticed that FFXIII-2 model of Serah is taller than her FFXIII model. I wonder if anyone can check of its only MMD thing (not notable) or really there is a height difference in models. Well, you can use XNA Lara to check the heights. You can find character and some enemy (!) models here, but you must be a registered users to view the thread.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 15:02, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

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