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the triviaEdit

I often wondered if Sephiroth might not simply be ambidexterous. It occurs naturally, you'd think it'd be even more likely for someone deliberately created as a perfect soldier.

Not necessarily. In ancient Japan, it was considered a disadvantage for samurai to be left-handed (in swordfights). Children, who were meant to become samurai, born left-handed were actually forced to learn how to use the right hand, as to not have this "disadvantage". Litteraly, as in, their left arm would be tied to their torso, leaving only the right arm free to do stuff with. So having Sephi be left-handed could be a good way of showing how different he is from the rest of the world. However, I do not doubt that he is able to use his right arm for fighting, but it seems that he simply prefers using his left. As for the trivia part about the significance of this, I would say it's somewhat exaggerated, as Reno, Tifa and Cid are left-handed as well. --Hecko X 06:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if Genesis is right-handed.--Sephiroth2.0 19:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, if you look at other art by the makers of FF7 of Sephiroth (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Image:AmanoSeph.jpg), it's in his right hand. This could be early art before it changed, however.
I believe that he is primarily left-handed, though can use his right hand occasionally; much like a switch batter in baseball. His KH1 appearence has him right-handed, and there are some quick, almost unnoticeable shots in AC in which he is fighting with his right hand. Just my two cents.--Seth
Well, he is right handed in a game that is out of Final Fantasy VII cannon. In Kingdom Hearts he wields masamune with his right hand instead of his left; however, in Kingdom Hearts II he is left handed. Also, a thing to note is his eye color is blue in Kingdom Hearts. 75.47.206.60 05:26, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Well, I would assume hes ambidextrous, cause if I'm not mistaken, he holds it with his left hand in AC, but just after he brings a large chunk of the building down, he swings the blade over his right shoulder rather than his left? Also considering he uses both hands quite a bit. Basillisk 09:11, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does Sephiroth look slightly different in AC? This may just be because I'm used to the CC appearance, but he looks, well, older. And fatter. And his hair looks more white than silver. Maybe he's really let himself go since FFVII... Presumably, there is somewhere in the Lifestream taking on the form of a dirty apartment filled with pizza boxes and empty lager bottles, with Sephy slumped on the couch watching endless Friends re-runs, occasionally moving to the computer to check his fangirl sites... The Man In The Black Cape 17:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

That's because Crisis Core designs are made by Nomura for yaoi use --- User: Zak Undersn --- 17:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
My best answer would be that it was simply unintended and that it is more of a viewer interpretation of him. It seems that CC and all later CG renders of him present him much slimmer. I even made a comment about how hefty looking Sephiroth was in Advent Children. However, in AC and ACC his hair seems a bit different. In ACC his hair seems much more darker, and he also looks a bit better than in AC. 75.47.206.60 05:26, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

is there any reson found as to why he's left handed. What i mean is was he made left handed in tribute to someone?

Isn't It Supposed To Be Because They Are Making Links To The Devil With Sephiroth (Man IN A Black Coat, One Winged Angel) And Satan Was Portrayed As Left-Handed.

The term sinister comes from the latin sinister meaning left handed. I think Sephiroth being left handed is a reference to him being an evil character.

In the anime "Death Note," Season 1, Episode 9, time 11:06, there is a Shinigami that has the same hair style, color, and facial structure as Sephiroth. Could this be a reference as to how Sephiroth intended to bring death to the Planet? Mndavis08 05:21, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Masamune's actual length?Edit

Is there any way to know the actual length of Sephiroth's sword, or at least its official/accepted size? It seems to change with each appearence in the FF7 universe: ranging from about 6 to 7 feet in Last Order, 8 to 9+ feet in AC, various sizes in CC, and 10-12 feet in the Kingdom Hearts games. Just wondering since I'm trying to make a custom piece for a friend and she requested it be actual size as seen in AC and the Kingdom Hearts games, but seeing as there seem to be variables in terms of sizing this thing up and getting accurate measurements and ratios has proven to be difficult to determine by eye or other visual aid, I'm forced to ask the opinions of you, the fans, on what size to make this thing. You may reach me at smborland@hotmail.com. Thanks-- Seth

It depends on a complex interaction of psychological, neural, vascular, endocrine factors and degree of arousal. Fire 2 08:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I have a version of the sword that is 68 long from hilt to tip. 50 blade and 18 handle including guard. Dhoonib 04:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I've seen that innacurate replica (except for the tsuba) before, and 5' 8" seems too small to accurately replicate the size of this thing (im guessing it was downsized for average person handling). The AVERAGE size seems to be at LEAST 8 feet in total length. The blade/hilt ratio also seems to change slightly between the appearence throughout FFVII, as well as the style of the hilt and tsuba.--Ian
It's either a few inches shorter than Sephiroth's height up to more than a foot more than his actual height. It changes depending on the game, but I think it's longest in Dissidia since Sephiroth actually has to hold it like a dagger(in his end/win pose to compensate for the length. PX173 12:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I made a chart (or something very like, concerning, or including a chart) featuring diagrams and descriptions of each of his many Masamunes and the games they've appeared in. Mind you, I suck at drawing katanas. http://sephiroth7734.deviantart.com/art/Neo-Char-Sheet-Sephiroth-FF7-122145973 72.77.121.2 12:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Really nice chart. Anyways, yeah, the length of the blade changes quite often from series to games. Even I noticed the changes of the length of the sword in Crisis Core. Like Kingdom Hearts II, Dissidia Sephiroth wields a longer blade, while Kingdom Hearts he has a blade that is just as long as his height. There is also a difference between his masamune in Advent children and Advent Children Complete. In ACC the sword can appear to be longer. I don't believe a length was ever specified, but the most common one I remember was 6-8 feet... Wow... I have an AC replica of masamune. I was really disappointed in it. It lacks the wave sharpened edge on the blade, and it is actually a bit smaller than me. To top it off... its not a true blade as it is not usable, and it is connected to a piece of metal that is connected to the hand guard, which is glued on.... 75.47.206.60 05:34, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

....sephiroths sword is exactly 9-10 feet long

When writing the Job, make sure it's a JOB Edit

If you're a Final Fantasy fan, you should know that a Job is something that you bring into battle with you, not necessarily your profession. Crazyswordsman 03:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Whoever keeps propigating that mistruth that Sephiroth is the son of Vincent needs to go play in traffic somewhere. It has been officially stated (a while ago) in the Ultimania that Hojo is indeed Sephy's father.

Something tells me the user already has. --Auron Kaizer 19:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

....while its true that hojo is Sephiroth's biological father, Vincent, is in a way, Sephiroths "second father, as he is in love with Lucretia, Sephiroths true biological mother

Sephiroth's True Father Edit

I don't care what the Ultimania whatever the hell that is says, but Hojo is obviously impotent and entirely incapible of heterosexual sex. If he has genitals they clearly are far too shriveled and rotten ever to function. In reality it is Kefka who is Sephiroth's father. It really works perfectly if you just think about it a second. (BlueHighwind 02:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC))

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I wonder why is Hojo Seph's dad... When... Isn't there a possibility that Seph was already in Lucrecia's stomach before Hojo and Lucrecia's marriage? Oh Idek anymore... //Why am I still clinging on this hope that Vincent is Seph's father ;-;....//--Shiorichi (talk) 14:08, December 19, 2015 (UTC)Shiori the Tofu

The FFT MentionEdit

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Supernova mention Edit

I don't like debunking anything said on here(its the FF wiki after all) but the mention of Sephiroths Supernova attack can't be held in cannon as it was an edit for the english speaking version. The original Japanese version was a far shorter attack, which was more like a bright white flash than the extended scene.

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...sephiroth destroyed our solar system in FFVII... ...unsettling, to say the least. the japanese version has no effect on this undoubtable fact. Sephiroths Supernova in FF dissidia is somewhat more like the japanese version in that it is short... ...but that doesnt stop it from doing a huge chunk of damage. I think that everyone can agree, that no matter the form of Supernova, it is devastating

abilities Edit

sorry to bother who ever is reading this, but I think there should be an artical called "abilites" and filed under it should be a list of;

All of sephiroth's named abilities from all forms (normal, bizzaro and that odd one some people call safer) and all games (heartless angel from kingdom hearts)

Materia used (thunder, Black) and belived to be used(my brother tells me during one of clouds flashbacks he saw sepiroth cast thunder and it hit all the enemies leading me to think he had that materia all) also in case there is any talk of how do we file shadow flare I say put it under skill copy materia , yes it is the only blue magic he uses but he uses it and it can be copyed

And perhaps mention or breef description of unnamed abilities (but I know that might take time so I don't blame the editors if they diside not to do that).

Also I know there is some mention that one materia that sephiroth uses ,black/meteor, cast a different attack from the english to the japenese versions of the games. Perhaps that could be mentioned as well.

Sincerly luis

PS I am sorry for bothering the editors reading this who have also read this on the cloud page, also if the editors can not do this I will attempt to make a list then send it when I'm done just reply so please.

I thought we have them all listed in their individual enemy pages. A list of enemy abilities in this page makes it redundant, IMHO. [^_^]/ 07:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


Does anyone else here want to see the true power of Sephiroth? I Know i do and what is the point of making someone so strong and never getting to see the FULL result I don't hate Sephiroth he is by FAR my favorite Character ever. so don't take the wrong way. 1stclasswarrior 11:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Temporarily Playable Edit

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Sephiroth isnt a temp character at all, since he can recieve no input from the player in any manner or form. ...hes more like a... powerful AI monster/boss that fights by your side, slaughtering everything unfortunate enough to cross your path....

Speculation Edit

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Last Order Edit

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It is possible that the discrepancy is based upon the interpretation of the Turk recording the event described. Mndavis08 07:49, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Um, huh? There aren't any Turks recording the event, the Turks don't show up until afterward. Drake Clawfang 08:46, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Negative Lifestream Edit

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Actually, even tough it was not mentioned in AC, the Lifestream Sephiroth corrupted is identified as the "Negative Lifestream" in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania. Here's the quote about Geostigma:

  • "Geostigma - A mysterious illness which spread following the Meteor Crisis. It causes black spots to appear on the skin of the sufferers. There is no cure, and sufferers are gradually weakened by random attacks of pain, eventually proving fatal. This is a condition brought on by the overworking of the body's immune system, trying to purge Jenova's cells that have entered the body. And even more terrifyingly, the spiritual energy of the dead afflicted with Geostigma will separate from the normal cycle of life and join the Negative Lifestream -- Jenova's mimetic legacy lurking in the Lifestream -- and contribute to its power to corrode away the planet."

And it was confirmed in the Director's Commentary in the Japanese Advent Children DVD that it was indeed that Lifestream that Sephiroth summons to cover the sky in AC. Here's the quote:

  • "It was early evening when the Sephiroth battle began.

The black streams that Sephiroth summoned was a negative Lifestream composed of those who died due to Geostigma. It was a good contrast with Cloud standing in the bright evening light."

As the Negative Lifestream being Sephiroth's own Lifestream, to an extent, it is, because that tainted Lifestream became part of Sephiroth, being linked directly to his being, and only Sephiroth can control it. It was this acquired control over that great amount of Lifestream that allowed Sephiroth to "ascend to a new level of existence" (as described in the Reunion Files) and become much more powerful than before - Dark & Divine 10.01 25 August 2008 (GMT)

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Sephiroth's Bio Edit

Many of Sephiroth's bio information is found in the recently translated Ultimania here http://ultimania.ff7compilation.net/profile/sephiroth.php

And yes, he was born in Nibelhiem.

He was bred in Ninelhei, but nothing in any of the games, movies, or novels mention anything about his birthplace, at least to my knowledge. I've never read the Ultimania, though. -- Drake

The Crisis Core guidebook explicitly states he was born in Nibelheim.

AgeEdit

In Final Fantasy VII, when meeting Vincient and speaking to him about Sephiroth, Vincient says "He still doesn't know he was made five years ago." This would imply that Sephiroth was born five years prior to the game and a year before the Nibelheim incident but aged quickly due to the Jenova cells and other possible experiments by Hojo (which could have easily been wiped from his memory, I'm sure). This doesn't seem to be true, though, as Sephiroth is active in Crisis Core and Before Crisis. This could mean that his birth point was moved back to a few years before these games, or that he aged normally and the writers just didn't take into account (or even know of) Vincient's original line. This could also have been a mis-translation of something else, or an error in the text, with Vincient's name written accidently and having supposed to be Cloud remarking on Sephiroth's turn to obsessive madness/"evil". -- Drake


Yup, probly just a mistranslation. The Man In The Black Cape 17:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Isn't he at least 6' 5", he is taller then Zack in Crisis Core. - Anonymous S

LMFAO 8 bit u are hilarious Edit

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Little Big Planet Edit

Sephiroth appears in Little Big Planet. http://ffworld.com/?page=image&image=images/news/09_10_08/lbp1.jpg http://ffworld.com/?page=image&image=images/news/09_10_08/lbp2.jpg Sinh 18:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! One winged sackboy! Sackiroth! And so on! Myself 123 22:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

The "Return" Section. Edit

I have a real problem with how this one is written. It almost seems contradictory to the facts, with things like "Sephiroth first appears in person (not counting flashbacks) in Junon, where he alludes to the Jenova Reunion. He also appears some time later in Nibelheim, where he again mentions the Reunion." I know the Manifestation section has it right, but that's no excuse for this to be written so that people reading it might end up misinformed, especially since anyone who is just reading the Story will not get to Manifestation, and will therefore not have it actually pointed out that up until the Northern Crater, the party is only dealing with Jenova.

That said, I would rewrite it myself, but I'm not confident in my ability to do it in a satisfactory way. BahamutAPs 20:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

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Meaningless Ponderings Edit

A while ago, on another site (I forget which) I got into an argument with some fanboys over whether Sephiroth can be redeemed. Personally I think it highly unlikely, but not impossible. However, it is to the detriment of the "Sephiroth Redemption Theory" that the vast majority see him as a villain, like him as a villain, and therefore, want him to stay a villain. Nonetheless, it would be interesting to see Square try. Things to consider here are the roles of Angeal and Genesis (one of whom is definitely alive, and the other, well, who knows (my reaction to everything asbout Angeal)) and the theme of redemption in general. Hence, I ask you - has Sephiroth passed the Moral Event Horizon, or is there still hope for him? The Man In The Black Cape 19:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

em.. hes dead. Oni Dark Link 20:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you can change from villian to hero when you're dead...actually he's extra dead. He's died what 3 times? RamzaBeoulve 01:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

And he should stay dead. In fact, if I have to choose, I'd have him not exist at all. For Sephiroth to just suddenly become a good guy after being the over-hyped villain for a decade would be a complete rape of the plot. I realize SE likes to do this, but still... Drake Clawfang 05:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

true, he is dead, but he will keep coming back.. the nightmare will revive himself again and again... ...forever.

All true, except that Sephiroth will never truly die until Square have squeezed every last [insert lowest value of appropriate currrency here] out of him, which we all know will happen when hell freezes over. Besides, I'm not proposing that he becomes a saint overnight. The Man In The Black Cape 20:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The form of currency to which you refer is the Shrewtbuck, which is equal to 1/100 of a cent. Silver Dragon XXVIII 00:17, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

...Sephiroth DOES seem to be a little less of a, "im gonna destroy EVERYTHING!!!" kind of character in Final Fantasy Dissidia though... ...maybe even HE is tired of his own constant cameos throughout the series... ...mayde he'll just get sick of square enix's constant milking and be a "good guy"? ...it would seem that, yes, hell has "frozen over".

Say ah, does anyone like to speculate what's Sephiroth's Masamune's origins are? Edit

I bet it was an extra specialized and extremely expensive weapon specifically made in Wutai, made when Sephiroth was on espionage, incognito, right before Shinra attacked.

Man, that weapons dealer must have had a lot of regret...

I mean, it's not to say that Sephiroth doesn't deserve a Japanese Katana, nor this is about race, but it's got to come from somewhere, right? Mask no Oni 02:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I suspect that Sephy was born holding it.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 10:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That couldn't have came out of Lucrecia's .... well, you know what I'm talking about. Mask no Oni 22:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Vagina? --Zack fair 007 00:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Meh...I think he just got it. Out of hammerspace. Excuse my lack of imagination...I mean, anything is possible with Sephiroth. ChocolancerCL-528 00:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

{"this is just a theory im throwing out here, i tend to think way to deep into these kind of situations but here goes:

ITs possable Sephiroth got it as a gift, or possably found it. in japanese history the Masemune is suposedly a holy blade that only the pure of heart can wield. its a weapon that changes shape depending on the user, though in most games its only wielded by samurai. since he got it durring the time he was a hero of shinra corperation, he could have recieved the weapon from holy spirits, or found it in some sort of temple.

but thats just speculation on my part. for all we know he could have pulled it out of his ass.

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guess we'll never know really." ~ Ixbran}

"A holy blade that only the pure of heart can wield", hmmm, well that makes sense. Personally I think it might be sort of semi-incorporeal, that he can summon at will, not due to the way he conjures it out of nowhere in AC, but also how he seems to leave it behind a lot, having impaled President Shinra with it, and after he kills Tifa's dad with it. Either that or he carries a sack full of masamunes around with him all the time that we've never seen. The Man In The Black Cape 20:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, he can't have just bought it from some random, but considering theres a LOT of random weapon shops that just HAPPEN to sell guns that fit Barret's arm and huge swords and spears. but thats not the point. In CC, when he fights Genesis, Genesis does that special thing with his sword and stuff and its all good, but near the end when Angeal's sword shatters against Genesis' sword, I wondered how Sephys hadn't yet, then I started thinking it must be special or something, but aside from the extreme length, its nothing special in forms of a katana. Is it just me that thought about that? Also at the start of CC, Seph shatters Zacks sword with ease, but he had a good backswing on that one, and it was a simulation, but yeah, its just something thats bothered me. Basillisk 09:17, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Sephiroths sword... ...has, in fact made multiple appearances throughout the series. So, maybe, since he does seem to have the ability to traverse different dimensions what with his "Supernova" attack and all, perhaps he was able to steal/obtain it within the entire series. Or, since he has Godly powers, even before he became evil and insane, he could have conceivably created/fused/willed it into existence like pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Perhaps the truth is even darker... ...I have witnessed, throughout the series, that Sephiroth's sword is longer every time he appears... ...not by much, just a half a foot at a time... so maybe, it is purely created by the souls of the people/monsters Sephiroth kills. ...scary...

Dis Pear Edit

Anyone else heard of this? Apparently it's quite infamous, and I gotta admit it's catching on with me too. ;p Drake Clawfang 06:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. It's kinda cute and funny. "Shall I give you dis pear?" - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

... .... ..... ...how irrelavent to all the rest of the topics could you possibly be? what does that have anything to do with Sephiroth?

Birth Date RelevancyEdit

Is listing Sephiroth's birth year as 1977 legit? I'm not sure of the years that span the game itself, but it seems like some weird real-life-spill-over type thing. If I'm wrong, please let me know because it's bugging me :) Advi 08:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

That's just an in-universe chronolgy thing, nothing to do with real-life, obviously. Also, if discussing a completely different topic than the one already under discussion, please in future start a new section, even for minor issues like this. I'll sort it out this time. The Man In The Black Cape 17:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Dating and YearsEdit

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hmm... ...that would mean that the timeline would be divided between BW,(before Wutai) and AW (after Wutai) ...meaning Sephiroth would have been born around 25-27 BW.

Blade length proportionate to age?Edit

I noticed somethin' with Sephiroth's depictions throughout the years in the games and animated media he's been in

Other than bein' able to tell how old he is by the length of his bangs, Masamune also appears to grow in size with his age. In Crisis Core, or at least the in-game model, the sword is shorter than how it was depicted in FFVII but goes to slightly ridiculous lengths in Advent Children. In Dissidia, the Masamune is RIDICULOUSLY longer than any other previous depiction. Kaihedgie 17:53, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

perhaps it grows longer for every person/monster hes killed, sucking the very souls out of people/monsters. ...he does kill a lot, and not much is known about the origin of his sword... ...it could also be purely representative of Sephiroth's power, as he does gain more power throughout the cours of the series...

Heartless AngelEdit

The article currently says it's used by Bizarro. I don't remember that ever happening--to my recollection it was Safer/KH/DFF-only. But my memory's spotty and my file got corrupted, so I didn't wanna change it without consulting y'all first. Anyone? Dazuro 18:36, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Heartless Angel is used both by Bizarro and Safer. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 18:55, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

One winged Angel Edit

I seem to recall once reading a story about Lucifer wanting the Seed Of Redemption, so he stuck his right wing tip in the fire to take it, and the wing became an arm. Arm on right side, wing on the left (sound familiar?). He then tore off the useless wing, and that was the first act of violence, However, i am unable to clarify what religion this story is from.

Any ideas?


It's likely a Catholic or Christian story. However, I have my own religion, and have no knowledge of Catholic or Christian stories, so I really don't know Princess Moogle 03:49, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

One winged Angel Edit

I seem to recall once reading a story about Lucifer wanting the Seed Of Redemption, so he stuck his right wing tip in the fire to take it, and the wing became an arm. Arm on right side, wing on the left (sound familiar?). He then tore off the useless wing, and that was the first act of violence, However, i am unable to clarify what religion this story is from.

Any ideas?


Sorry for the double post, don't know what happened there!

...not catholic at all, seems more jewish in origin, im catholic and know pretty much everything about my religion (my grandfather is a preist) ...sounds a bit muslim too, ill look it up, maybe ill find something.

DVD Commentary Edit

I've been wondering about that. Where in the commentary do these comments appear? I'd like to see them for myself. Drake Clawfang 22:46, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Which comments? ---- TenzaZangetsu 23 September 2009 (UTC)
About his Strength. Drake Clawfang 23:10, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
Buy the DVD, I guess. ---- TenzaZangetsu 23 September 2009 (UTC)
FFS, I have the DVD, I'm asking where they appear in the commentary! Drake Clawfang 23:21, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
Beats me XD. ---- TenzaZangetsu 24 September 2009 (UTC)

something that's been bugging meEdit

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He never learns it, nope. Drake Clawfang 23:59, September 26, 2009 (UTC)


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CrescentEdit

Sephiroth is the son of Lucrecia Crescent, and Hojo [something]. Hojo is his first name, not his surname, Professor Gast is Gast Faremis. Throughout the series (VII's series) we've established that children take the surname of their parent. And also no character has two living parents. So we have no idea if the wife adopts the husbands name through marriage. Though that's another matter.

Marlene took the surname of her adoptive father. And I can't actually think of anywhere else in the series a child has the surname of their parent. So we know that when children are adopted, they take may take the surname of their adoptive parents.

So, "Sephiroth Crescent" is WRONG. "Sephiroth Hojo" is WRONG. And even if Hojo had a surname, "Sephiroth [Hojo's surname]" wouldn't necesarilly be right.  ILHI 21:08, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Agreed with all of the above. No where, in any FF media I've ever seen, is Sephiroth attributed a last name. Drake Clawfang 21:18, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
The Emperor's name is also never seen in any FF media, yet people claims it is "Mateus". The FFII novel is NOT a canonical FF medium - it was not published by Square, thus without their supervision. A light Easter Egg-y reference in the name of a weapon in Dissidia does not make it canon either. JulianCasablanka 07:39, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
The FF2 novel was written by the same person who wrote the script for the game, it is considered canon. References in other games in the series do not alone make it canon, but they support the novel as being so in referring to it. If the novel wasn't canon they wouldn't use the name.
You may also wish to look into the "Straw Man" argument, because that's what you're pulling. It doesn't matter if the Emperor's name is canon or not, if you want to debate that then start a debate on his page. We're on Sephiroth's page, discussing his last name. Provide evidence "Crescent" is his last name please. Drake Clawfang 07:44, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

sephiroth didnt know anything of his origens and its implied he didnt know who either of his parents were. Plus children useually take their fathers name meaning he would more likely be called sephiroth hojo provided hojo is hojos second name Oni Dark Link 12:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Though, it would seem that Angeal goes by the surname "Hewley", that of his mother Gillian, and does not (of course not knowing of his connection to Hollander until later in his life) take on Hollander's surname. So, would Crescent NOT be valid? Rose Duelist 17:25, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Masamune change of length???Edit

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The Truth (Not about the Masamune's length!) Edit

Is it ever mentioned (by Sephiroth or anyone) that Sephiroth realizes he is not an Ancient or is he still actually crazy during FFVII's time? I mean....if he is still crazy then that's a cop out of a plothole because since he traveled through the lifestream and learned the Ancients' secrets, he must have learned about the true nature of Jenova (or he could have heard it from Jenova her/itself). Does he just ignore the truth (because of his fragile self-esteem at this point since he went mad when he realized he wasn't even human) or is he so far gone that it doesn't even affect him, which wouldn't make any sense since the entire basis of his plan was stemming from the fact that he believed it was his birthright that he eliminate the humans and become a God.

In AC he mentions he wants to travel the cosmos "just like his Mother did". So he knows Jenova is an alien, but still think she's his mother. Also, here's another truth about Sephiroth - it's a dye job. Doreiku Kuroofangu 01:46, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Ehhh....sounds sloppy. So I guess he just decided to take the high road and just go with the fact that he's an alienspawn? Poor Lucrecia. Also, what color is it really? --Final Aeon 02:02, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Seems so. At this point it just drives home the fact that Sephy was a bad villain - he finds out his reasons for turning evil are wrong and he was just misinformed, but he's still evil because "why not?" As for the real color - dark red. Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:07, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

...perhaps Sephiroth just doesnt care. perhaps hes in denial...

Cameo appearance Edit

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Dirge Cameo Edit

Should his small cameo in DoC be included? FaythOfFenrir 22:44, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Bad news guys Edit

Some stupid hacker uploaded some malware up on your Sephiroth Page Files.

Please investigate this immediately!!!

Mask no Oni 04:22, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:36, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
I just did a quick combover of the code and found nothing out of the ordinary, unless its really buried in there. Please clarify what you are talking about, and how you think this page is responsible. EDIT: is it even possible to upload malware into wiki code? --Adonzo 04:42, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Seems like a lame attempt to elicit a panic to me. Brago-77 04:48, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Up yours, Brago 'w'

Last night, while poking around the wiki, I was doing maintenance within the page until my browser interrupted me, stating "WARNING! This is known as a Reported Attack Site!!" It kept blocking me out until I skipped off to another page.

Next thing I know this morning, I find several cases of spyware with Spybot S&D. I just cleaned it yesterday. Yesterday's results stated "Congratulations! No threats found."

Can anyone without being a butthead explain this?

Can't say for sure, it may have been a false positive and the spyware may have come from somewhere else. Your browser maybe even reacted to an ad? I don't know. I personally have never had issues with wikia sites regarding malware. --Adonzo 01:08, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't come from here; wiki code is self contained; it doesn't use any plug-ins from your computer, and doesn't download anything. Also I don't believe one is able to set up a silent download in wiki code. Must of come from else where. What more can I say? 01:18, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Just a heads up. If this occurs again, don't take me for crying wolf, and please check your sponsors. Thank you for your time. Mask no Oni 03:40, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

A few qs Edit

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Crisis Core also implies that Sephiroth cannot age, so even if he didn't "die" at Nibelheim, he most likely would have remained the same in the same timeframe. In case anyone was wondering what I meant by that, in Crisis Core, it was mentioned that several of the Jenova specimens (IE, Genesis, his copies, and Angeal's copies) degrade, and it is implied that the fact that their genes can be diffused/copied is the reason for the degrading process. The fact that Genesis, as well as the various copies of both Genesis and Angeal, as well as Lazzard and Dr. Hollander, ended up aging rapidly to the extent that they actually look old in a year, at least, implies that the degradation process involves becoming old of age. When Genesis encounters Sephiroth at the Nibelheim reactor, he explicitly says that Sephiroth cannot degrade, which implies that Sephiroth is ageless, and thus cannot die by old age or natural death. Weedle McHairybug 03:31, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sephiroth is immortal, one with the lifestream and Jenova, and thus will never die. his age is merely determined by the years since his birth and/or the length of his sword if you accept the theory that his sword grows longer with kills/age.


sephiroth's namesEdit

Genesis

yeeaah and i realize it's NOT the REAL FFVII.., what a good FAN EDITED.. :(

Cropping His Images Edit

Dissidia 012 and the influx of images today has made me realize we have to re-evaluate the value we place on uncropped images. Let's take a look at some of Sephy's images with the Masamune - how they show up in galleries, and this revision of his EX Mode render. On too many of Sephy's images the Masamune's length makes it impossible to properly size the image without making Sephiroth a tiny little mess - just look at his KH galleries and Dissidia galleries, the images above look tiny because when the Masamune takes up like 2/3s of the image's width. This isn't a problem with all of his images: these ones are relatively tame. But the first set...yeah.

So, as I said we need to re-evaluate the value of not cropping the Masamune, because cropping the sword a bit would make many of Sephy's images appear much clearer and larger and therefore better. I'm not saying lose the full-sized images entirely, just upload cropped versions of them for usage in the articles while retaining the full-sized ones on the site. Thoughts, opinions? Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:08, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly support this. I have literally nothing to add. - Henryacores^ 21:11, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
I don't see an issue. There's nothing sacred about his sword. If we put cropped ones in the articles and maybe save the uncropped ones just for galleries if anyone wants to see them, we can have our cake and eat it, too. Galleries already are small, so it's not like we're losing much using them to provide the full images at the bottom of the page where people don't have to look if they don't want to. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 22:41, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
Images of Sephiroth wielding the Masamune become extremely small on galleries because the 3-mile sword takes up the whole damn limited width. Nobody's losing much if we chop 3 of the 4 AU of the Masamune from each image to actually feature Sephiroth at a distinguishable size on those small galleries we have. - Henryacores^ 22:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
I tend to think that holding multiple, albeit edited, versions of the same image is reduntand and, ultimately, against the Fair Use of the image. If we really need to do this, I think we either keep the cropped images or the full images but not both. Personally, I see no problem with keeping the full images. Fëasindë te audio 03:31, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Something we could do - look at the KH2 Sephy image on the right in my sandbox. Click it to view the full image, and it takes you to the uncropped vers. If we decided to use the cropped versions in the articles, we could use this to display the cropped pics on the pages, but when people want to see the larger full version they see, well, the full version. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:43, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Crop em all. --BlueHighwind 03:43, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

So, no one else, any thoughts? Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:02, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

As long as no rules are broken, I don't see the problem with cropped versions of larger images. Diablocon 19:34, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
It's allowed to crop images to fit galleries, as long as fair use is maintained. BLUER一番 23:09, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
As Bluer said. — YuanSalutActa 02:58, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sephiroth's Age on the page. Edit

Could someone clean up the age. Some one messed it up

Crisis core is in 2000 which it says in the beginning of the game meaning that FFVII set in 2007, AC is in 2009 and DOC is in 2010(wow Square got the years dead onto ours). And Sephiroth was born in 1977 because he's 30 (Chronologically) in FFVII. But some one screwed up the age and I had to fix the info but the appearance is a bit disfigured so if someone could fix it that would be good.

No age info was screwed up - Sephiroth was born approximately 20 years prior to Crisis Core, making him in the range of 20-25 in the game depending on his exact date of birth and what point in the game is being referenced. From there his exact chronological age is impossible to pinpoint during later games. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 00:19, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah especially when Sephiroth's original self died when he fell into Lifestream... His will still lingered on tough and began constructing a new body, but still it's a bit hard to say if he still "ages" the way the word is commonly understood...Keltainentoukokuu 01:53, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Not quite. His original body was still alive, albeit in hibernation. Plus, it's debatable as to whether he could even age even before falling into the lifestream. After all, thanks to Hojo screwing with him as an embryo and making him Project S, he apparently isn't able to degrade, and Crisis Core heavily implies that Degradation is accelerated aging and the breaking down of the body. Weedle McHairybug 02:00, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
The Ultimania says that's not his original body though. You can see in the FMV it's only half a body anyway, so he hasn't finished reconstructing it yet. Well guess he doesn't need the lower half when he sprouts wings out of it. :PKeltainentoukokuu 02:05, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Birth Edit

That reference says his birthplace is unknown in that reference. I haven't read through the entire thing but if anything thats conflicting statements rather then outright ones Oni Dark Link 19:37, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Read further down the page. DoreikuKuroofangu 19:41, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
Contacted the site staff, one of them sorted it out. Apparently all of Sephiroth's official profiles list his birthplace as unknown because they consider it a spoiler, but in some cases as in this one, they give his birthplace as Nibelheim in the actual character bio. DoreikuKuroofangu 19:27, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Lightning Edit

It's stated in the abilitys section that Lightning fought him in 012. I never noticed that in 012. Alexkon33 19:31, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

It's in Prologus of Duodecim. Weedle McHairybug 19:37, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

GalleryEdit

The gallery looks pretty bonkers now. Suggest putting all FFVII images in one collapsible gallery. Also I don't think an Ultimania scan be said to be a promotional artwork. It's just a scan from a book.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:10, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I am either going to have to make a tonne of drop down menus for concept art, promo images and screenshots for each appearance, or I can maybe emplore someone familiar with manipulating the gallery dropdown code to make drop down menus with drop down menus within them (eg FFVII drop gallery has Concept Art, Promo Images and Screenshot drop down galleries within it). Netherith (talk) 10:43, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

You want either this:

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or this:

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right? JBed (talk) 13:57, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

There's not a thing I don't cherish. Edit

Okay, look. I tried to add in that thing about Sephiroth being willing to get rid of himself if it ensured that he got rid of anything Cloud cherished because his reaction pretty much made that very clear:

He said to Cloud that he wanted to know what Cloud cherished most so he could take it away from Cloud. Cloud, after a rousing speech from Zack beyond the lifestream, told Sephiroth "I pity you. You just don't get it at all. There's not a thing I don't cherish!" Take note that the implication of not having anything he doesn't cherish would likewise imply that he does cherish literally everything, including Sephiroth to some extent. Sephiroth smirked at Cloud's remark, despite the implication, assuming Sephiroth was being serious about taking away what Cloud cherishes most, that he most likely would have to include himself in destroying everything just to make sure Cloud has nothing to cherish. So no, my addition was not BS. If you want to give an alternate explanation about it, be my guest. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

  1. Sephiroth smirks because that's smug villain prerogative.
  2. "not a thing I don't cherish" ≠ "omg i liek totally cherish you too sephy-poo now lets make hot yaois"
  3. Sephiroth would be intelligent enough to stop moving down the list of everything ever when he got to Cloud himself
-- Sorceror Nobody Flan 00:49, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
  1. Maybe, but wouldn't he at the very least be slightly unnerved that, thanks to Cloud's comment, he'd most likely have to destroy himself just to ensure he spited Cloud?
  2. I don't know why you think I would even want them to create Yaoi. Actually, personally, I'm disgusted that such a thing even exists, and I also wasn't even trying to imply that Cloud should effectively do that. I was simply saying that if someone doesn't have something they don't cherish, the implication is present that they do cherish everything, even things they dislike, since that's what it would literally mean. Cherishing something =/= wanting to have sex with someone or wanting romance. I'm willing to even cherish flies if that's what it takes.
  3. Maybe, but if he were that intelligent, he probably would not say something like that at all, especially if he anticipated that Cloud would effectively stated he cherishes everything.
Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:46, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
*facepalm* IT'S HYPERBOLE. Cloud does not literally cherish everything, he has killed Sephiroth several times out of a mixture of protecting the planet (something he probably does cherish) and pure hatred for the guy. If you think he cherishes Sephiroth, then you do not know what cherish means. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 02:01, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT
  1. That's using your own speculation to justify itself. Logical fallacy (specifically this one, I believe).
  2. What I did with the yaoi comment? That's called hyperbole. Which is something you seem to be blind to, since Cloud's retort is also hyperbole. He does not mean he cherishes literally everything ever. That would be stupid. But he's not going to rattle off the list of exceptions in the name of total accuracy in the middle of a climactic scene. Also what the hell does you cherishing flies have to do with anything.*(RHETORICAL QUESTION) I reread it about five times and still have no idea what you're trying to say.
  3. Making grandiose threats is also smug villain prerogative, and either way nothing to do with Sephiroth's intelligence. And he would not have anticipated Cloud saying that line. That he doesn't anticipate Cloud having a broadly selfless attitude is the whole point of the line, "You just don't get it at all."
-- Sorceror Nobody Flan 02:12, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Sephiroth similar to another square enix character? Edit

I was recently looking through the dragon quest wiki when i happened upon this guy http://dragonquest.wikia.com/wiki/Psaro_(Character) his trivia mentioned sephiroth and he does look like sephiroth so was wondering if he should be added to the sephiroth page somewhere. Tonberryking (talk) 18:46, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

They are not similar enough. Dragon Quest is totally unrelated to Final Fantasy.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 19:02, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
Eventhough Dragon Quest served as the main inspiration for Final Fantasy, Hironobu Sakaguchi said that they were aiming to make the series as different as possible, so I don't think so. And Psaro IS already added in Sephiroth's trivia. --Frostare (talk) 20:16, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
Unless you can find information that *explicitly says* that Sephiroth is meant to be inspired by that specific character, then it's just an opinion. FF in general being inspired by DQ *does not mean* that specific characters are inspired by DQ characters. HarpieSiren (talk) 21:14, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
But there is such a thing as an observable and note-worthy similarity. 79.69.198.170 21:45, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
Well, yeah, but things like that don't really belong here. There's a reason Drake's working on a trivia policy, after all.HarpieSiren (talk) 22:07, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
(editconflict) I beg to differ. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 22:09, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
Um, you know that's more comparable to Sephiroth's resemblance to Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz than his resemblance to some random character in another game series, right? And of course we're gonna mention those resemblances. HarpieSiren (talk) 22:13, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
I thought you said they don't belong here? As of right now, there's as much reason to compare Sephy to Psaro as Lumina to Serah, as we know approximately the same about their relationship to each other. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 22:16, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
We know also that there is likely significance to the fact that Lumina looks like Serah, as LR's a direct sequel to XIII(-2) and not even Toriyama is dumb enough to re-use the model of a major character for an unrelated person in the sequel. Unless you can draw something similar between Sephy and Psaro, no, there is not as much of a reason to draw such a comparison. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:28, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
I'm referring to right now, not the near future, when yes, the situation will change once we learn more. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:16, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Usually I say no to saying such and such a character bears similarity to such and such totally unrelated character from outside FF, but in this case, the similarity is not only striking, it is a well known meme in Japan (according to the article at least, I would need to find a second source to back that up). That recognized notoriety alone shifts my opinion on this particular case from being "trivial" to being "triva'". The reality is that I'm sure any similarities are coincidental between the two, but the fact that this coincidental similarity is so obvious and well-known (again, in Japan at least) makes it trivia-worthy. I guess. It's still a tough call. I love trivia, but man, it is a thorny issue sometimes. Espritduo (talk) 05:29, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
The similarities are uncanny for sure, but unless there's some sort of official comment on it we shouldn't mention it. Not even direct statement "yeah he was based on Psaro", just something like the developers noting the similarity, like Vincent and Auron, would warrant it important enough to note. But otherwise, I dislike fan opinions in articles, though it may be something for the meme page if it is indeed widespread. And yes, I am working on a Trivia policy, please come by and comment. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:42, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Why do we need SE to say they are similar? They're hardly any better at judging similarity between two characters than anyone else. 79.69.205.105 14:08, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

On What Version Can i play sephiroth?Edit

Is it PSX or i don't know?

Rory Takakura (talk) 00:23, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

You can't, not without the use of a cheat device. And it'd likely be the PlayStation version. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 00:26, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
Sephiroth is an uncontrollable guest in every version of FFVII. You can't really play as him apart from the fighting games (Ehrgeiz & Dissidia).Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 00:26, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

And Theatrhythm, where he's both a boss and a playable character --Frostare (talk) 00:34, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Record KeeperEdit

Has anyone who plays Record Keeper got Sephiroth? I'll most likely won't be able to get it 'cause I'm kind of underpowered and it'd be nice to get raw stat values for level 10, 20, 30, and 40, since level 1 and level 50 stats can be found on OSS.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:33, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Just a thought... Edit

Do you think it's worth mentioning Sephiroth bears a strong resemblance to Maximillion Pegasus from Yu-gi-oh? Not just in looks but personality wise too. They're both also the main villains who oppose our crazy haired, power fantasy heroes (Cloud and Yugi) Jayking116 (talk) 11:41, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so. Monterossa (talk) 11:43, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, but I'm only giving you this because FFX is my favorite FF as well ;) Jayking116 (talk) 12:09, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

His hair is actually pretty similar to Serenity Wheeler's. AleshieXNicole (talk) 18:42, August 30, 2017 (UTC)

Removing (Final Fantasy VII) tag from the article name?Edit

This article has a tag on its title just because of the Fiend from FFVI was named "Sefiros" in the conceptual artwork? not even its in-game name in any version? I don't think it's important enough to put a tag on this Sephiroth.

This Fiend is going to appear in FFXIV as "Sephirot" (without an h) so it's not the same name. Can we remove the FFVII tag from this article? Monterossa (talk) 10:10, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Sephirot and Sephiroth are pretty close, but Sephiroth is the widely more known one anyway, so I think it could go without a tag. The tag was added because it had a note at the top and there was an effort to get rid of those by creating disambigs.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:18, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
Would like to mention the JPN name of the Primal for FFXIV is Sephirot (セフィロト, Sefiroto?) also, as opposed to FFVII's Sephiroth (セフィロス, Sefirosu?), meaning the summon's name in both versions is Sephirot. However, the kana in Nomura artwork from FFVI does appear to say Sephiroth, but he DID put the name as Sefilos in the artwork, which could be a terrible romanized version of something like "Sephiros". So going with some of these facts, I believe the tag on this page is longer necessary imo. --Miphares (talk) 16:11, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

HeightEdit

Sephiroth's height is 196.6 File:Https://i.imgur.com/VUxKt6A.png please change his profile

Interesting. So what that image actually says is "Official Height: ?cm" and "Height in Dissidia: 196.6cm". So they make it clear that this isn't height for his original appearance. JBed (talk) 06:39, April 1, 2018 (UTC)
I think that height only applies to his Dissidia appearance. Other characters also have "Height in Dissidia" that isn't the same as their height in original game. Cecil is 178cm in FFIV, but 191 in Dissidia. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14938832 Monterossa (talk) 07:28, April 1, 2018 (UTC)
Wonder why that is? In older games the chibi aesthetic surely is just a shorthand, and you're not really supposed to imagine them with bobble-head proportions.
What is this video though, is it by Square?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 13:27, April 1, 2018 (UTC)

Renaming Edit

In the official wiki discussion channel of the Discord, we decided collectively to just rename this to "Sephiroth". Aside from SEO reasons, the enemy "Sephirot" in VI and XIV has a similar but still different name, so the disambig was always an error. If there are no objections to this, I will mass rename with the bot. In time, I also want to discuss the idea of changing how disambiguations work so that the clearly most common use of a name becomes a redirect while we instead create "(disambiguation)" pages linked to with Template:Context-links, which will not only help the vast majority of readers searching for terms like "Cloud", but also help the search bots and thus improve our SEO.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator @fandom (TC) 21:50, June 11, 2019 (UTC)

I am all for this!!!!!!--Xion V. (talk) 03:29, June 12, 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good. This having a tag was a little weird.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:17, June 12, 2019 (UTC)
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