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Deepground SOLDIER vs. Deepground Soldier[edit source]

I'm the one who made the edit. The official sources I could find didn't capitalize the soldier in 'Deepground Soldier', so I changed it.

Actually no, you're wrong. SOLDIER is capitalized in all official sources, like the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania. It's the same as SOLDIER and is in katakana, thus capitalized. 22:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes
In-game, I don't think it is capitalized (I think the game supersedes materials around it personally). More importantly, that title isn't even that often used. More often its merely "Deepground". --BlueHighwind 22:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
The US version of games are known to have translation errors, such as Crisis Core referring to Cloud's mako poisoned states as "Mako Addiction." While DC refers to the soldiers sans capital letters, they are clearly meant to be a division of SOLDIER and thus have the SOLDIER label. All Japanese references explicitly refer to them as SOLDIER. 22:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes
We're an English wiki. How they do things is what wins. --BlueHighwind 23:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, I understand english localization wins out over Japanese, but when the information is downright contradictory and inaccurate, I would think that for the sake of consistency and correct information you'd go with the facts, regardless of if its Japanese or English. The english translation of FFVII calls the Cetra space nomads, but we of course know that is wrong thanks to the information from the original *Japanese* translation. Just because its English doesn't mean its always right or should always be touted as the fact, even in an English wikia that's supposed disseminate the facts. 23:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes
They're called "Cetra" in my game. What version are you playing? --BlueHighwind 23:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I meant that the plot of the game states that the Cetra went from planet to planet, cultivating them and that they weren't just nomads who went from location to location on the planet of FFVII, but that they LITERALLY went from planet to planet. 23:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes

Double Edit Conflict: It doesn't matter. Until an official source proves you true, we will cover the possibly incorrect, but still official translation. ScatheMote 23:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I'd prefer consistancy frankly. Diablocon 23:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
As would I. Just call them "Deepground", that's their truest name. --BlueHighwind 23:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. 23:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)Makoeyes

Jenova Cells?[edit source]

I'm not an expert, but I don't think SOLDIER's were injected with Jenova Cells, they only had Mako Energy. Cloud wasn't actually a SOLDIER, he got the typical SOLDIER glow because he was a Sephiroth clone. Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Dev:Arguments' not found.

Uniforms in Crisis Core[edit source]

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What i got out of CC was this:

  • 3rd Class = Blue
  • 2nd Class = Purple
  • 1st Class = Black

But the higher ranked firsts can wear Sephiroth and Genesis...Angeal could do that as well but he still wore the correct uniform because his character pertains order.

I hate how they down away with the red uniforms. Now they're all too the same.  ILHI 14:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Where does it show, other than the crappy, cut and paste graphics of the gameplay models/renders, that 1st Classes wear black? In the fully rendered CG scenes Angeal and Zack both wear blue sweaters, though the pants either look dark grey or grayish-blue depending on the shot. Anyone have fully rendered CG shots of the black sweater?

SOLDIER[edit source]

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I know there's some debate about this, and I'd just like some clarification.

Ordinary SOLDIER members (like Zack before his run-in with Hojo-jojo) are created by exposure to Mako radiation. The more powerful SOLDIER members like Angeal, Genesis, and HE-WHOSE-NAME-MUST-NOT-BE-SPOKEN-BY-MERE-MORTALS-ON-PAIN-OF-DEATH-BY-MASAMUNE, as well as Zack & Cloud after Nibelheim are made by adding JENOVA cells. There were two projects responsible for the Super-SOLDIERS, Project G(led by Dr.Hollander)which produced Angeal (success) and Genesis (failure), and Project S(led by Hojo), which created HE-WHOSE-NAME-MUST-NOT-BE-SPOKEN-BY-MERE-MORTALS-ON-PAIN-OF-DEATH-BY-MASAMUNE (mostly success). People who've been injected with JENOVA cells without the Mako on top turn into Se... Clones of H-W-N-M-N-B-S-B-M-M-O-P-O-D-B-M.

Am I right, or do I need to write an even lengthier post?

The Man In The Black Cape 15:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually that last post should have gone under JENOVA Cells. Sorry. And out of interest, how do you creat those talk bubbles?

The Man In The Black Cape 15:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

EDIT CONFLICT: on the above note. Go to the rins travel agency in the forums and see the sephiroth clone process and look at my massive speech. 1stclasswarrior 15:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Blue Glow[edit source]

I changed the phrase saying that SOLDIERs have a "sky blue" glow in their eyes to just a "glow". Since the games only ever mention a mako glow, not that it's specifically blue. Cloud and co. just happen to have natural blue eyes, which get an additional glow. Mako doesn't change your eye color (and if it did, wouldn't it be green?) 09:46, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

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Cloud's Eye Glow[edit source]

With regards to the information listed about Cloud having become "1st Class" and subsequently acquiring the traditional glowing eyes usually attributed to SOLDIER:

I was under the impression that Cloud's eyes actually resulted from the (heavy) mako poisoning he received at the hands of Hojo during the four years he was detained after Sephiroth's disappearance. Cloud never entered SOLDIER, and I don't think the Shinra grunts were ever divided into separate classes of their own. Is there any cited information that I don't know about, or something?

The text in question can be found under the title "The Fall of SOLDIER ".


Sephirona 04:51, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

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Saethori (T / C) 04:59, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
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Your impression is correct, and not actually contradicted in this article. Cloud gained his 'Mako eyes' due to the process he underwent when Hojo attempted to turn him into a "Sephiroth Copy/Clone", and the resulting glow resembled or was identical to the SOLDIERs'. It's just that his strength and eye glow happen to match those among SOLDIER, so it helped collaborate his story as an Ex-SOLDIER among those in the know.)

Thanks for the response. I've added two words that might clarify the meaning of the sentence; hope no one minds. He didn't "become strong enough in Final Fantasy VII to be a 1st class member" - he became strong enough to be "mistaken as a 1st class member". Sephirona 17:30, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

", Vincent encounters remnants of SOLDIER hiding out in the Shinra Mansion and in the ruins of Midgar."[edit source]

This statement is referring to DoC, of course. Or at least I assume, and because of that I'm confused. Is the statement referring to Deepground SOLDIERS, or regular SOLDIERS?

Soldier Units[edit source]

The Restrictors page mentions two SOLDIER units: "Ragnarok" and "Lost Force". Any chance of that information getting into this article? I also wonder about something. I keep hearing claims that women aren't allowed to join SOLDIER, as if it were fact? Is it? --- (an anon)

Don't know about the units, but Cloud suggest Aeris join SOLDIER in the original FF7, so I should assume women can join?Keltainentoukokuu 19:01, August 2, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
The Restrictor (the leader of the Restrictors of Deepground) should be add in this page as one of the members of the SOLDIER. Bogota X 16:43, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re-edited Soldier logo?[edit source]

From Final Fantasy VII - FFVII:DoC, the SOLDIER logo was just like the Deepground logo except without the blue symbol in the middle. BUt since Crisis Core and various appearances such as Kingdom Hearts:Birth by sleep, and Final Fantasy:Dissidia, the logo has been changed and the current old version is now being used for Deepground. Do you think there should be any mention inthat on this article regarding the logo change?

It is mentioned in the article, but you could make it more prominent if you want.Keltainentoukokuu 17:24, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Where exactly? just read through it and didn't find anything on the logo change? i might have missed it.

It says Deepground uses the "original" logo from FFVII, even if the logo was revised for Crisis Core, but I think a short mention could be added to the "what SOLDIERs wear" bit since other version differences are detailed as well.Keltainentoukokuu 02:24, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Is this so? SOLDIER of FFVII and Galbadia ARMY of FFVIII have similar designs. FF8 has long sleeves. 12:31, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

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