Talk: Red Mage

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		KyubiNoKitsune - Kyu Loves Viera- The Distance between bravery and stupidity is measured only by success... Give yourself to the Viera, It is pointess to resist... TALK - Kyu Time {{{time}}}
		Does anyone know if there are any screenshots of the Red Mage from TA:II yet?

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/bluerfn/occu-27.png

		Ser Blue says at 20:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
		Most are not uploaded since they have the same artwork as from FFTA. But I'll upload one anyway.

		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 20:13, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
		All the Viera pictures are different, just like the Humes. It's the Bangaa, Moogles and Nu Mou who get the shaft in new artwork.

		KyubiNoKitsune - Kyu Loves Viera- The Distance between bravery and stupidity is measured only by success... Give yourself to the Viera, It is pointess to resist... TALK - Kyu Time {{{time}}}
		But who cares about Bangaa and Nu Mou?? Now the Moogles did get shafted... ~_~ If it's the same artwork, then there's no real reason to upload it, is there? I already have all of the art from Tactics Advance... Can you upload all the Viera artwork from TA:II? I have all the art from TA, but I would like the rest... I enjoyed the new Red Mage art... Mithra Red Mage... I wonder why she isn't in the gallery...

Questions

How do you get the FF1 RM sprite that big? CrashGordon94 16:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I woudn't declare Cloud Strife as a RM, since all characters in FFVII can learn black and white magic, so everyone would be one, or Cloud is not. DelNorte 10:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

To his credit, Cloud was originally slated to be a mystic knight, which is a class originally from 5 which used swords and enchanted them with magic, and ability given to red mages in XI, so picking him out of the crowd isn't unreasonable, not to mention he is well rounded between physical and magic stats.... still no character in VII has jobs so it should still be removed Zuken 16:20, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Fran the Red Mage

		Krystal Tomlin - "When prayers turn to promises, not even fate can stand in our way." TALK - To amend for my sins... - "Wouldn't wanna be you!"
		Of course Fran is officially a ranger in Revenant Wings, but her distinctly average stats in the original game clearly makes her the jack of all trades, doesn't she? I don't know about the rest of you but I know Fran is the Red Mage. It even says on the Job System page.

		BlueHighwind Q? TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ:
		That can and will be fixed.

Kingdom Hearts

		Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!! TALK - {{{time}}}
		Should we put Donald in a "non-FF" section in this or the Sage page. I know I asked this about Goofy for Knight, but Donald is a better example of a Red Mage then Goofy as a Knight.

Don't put them anywhere. If the KH enemies named for the job don't get a mention, neither do those two. Drake Clawfang 04:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

New name for Red Mage

As much as I like the Red Mage job, I think the name isn't very creative. What do you guys think a better name would be? OmegaBladeX 22:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Blue Mage. That would be extremely creative. --BlueHighwind ツ 22:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Two-kinds-of-magic-I-can-cast-plus-I-can-has-sword Mage - +DeadlySlashSword+ 22:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

This sounds more like a discussion for the forum. (Also, it's grey mage. You know, white + black. Hoho, I'm so original.) Diablocon 22:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

How about we call the Red Mage a CasterKnight

Pimp. Where's mah Gil, h**?!

Final Fantasy Tactics

		Gustav Margriff - Hell yeah! Final Fantasy the best game ever! TALK - 00:24, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
		Can we add Dycedarg's job class as an reference to red mage? Because it's said that he is an Master Swordman well versed in Rune magicks.

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv200/Henryacores/Gilgy_Sprite.png

		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 02:03, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
		No.

Terra Image

		NeoBahamutZEROX - Every time a petal falls a young life is taken by lady Death hands... TALK - 23:40, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
		Should we have Terra as main image instead of Luneth? She the only real Red Mage in the series?

		Jeppo TALK - 23:55, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
		Has Terra actually been referred to as a Red Mage in game? If not, I'm afraid not. Personally I wouldn't mind the original Red Mage up there.

		NeoBahamutZEROX - Every time a petal falls a young life is taken by lady Death hands... TALK - 00:01, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
		That doesn't mean anything, Ashe is on the Time Mage article and she never was referred to as a Time mage.

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 00:06, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
		Ashe is a Time Mage is Revenant Wings; her exlusive use of the the Slowga, Hastega, and Meteor spells indicates as such. Also, the basic qualifications of a Red Mage is to cast White and Black Magic and wield a sword. There are dozens of characters who fit the role; better to have a job-system character at the top.

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 00:43, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
		Although Terra does wear red, and she learns magic naturally. Oh, I don't need to prove she's akin to a Red Mage, as she's already on the page. Since most Job pages have characters from non-Job-System games, making Terra the Red Mage posterchild would make sense. The other alternative would be Scott, who has significantly less impressive artwork. Thoughts?

		Jeppo TALK - 00:48, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
		I'm not going to stand in the way, mainly due of lack of alternatives.

I'd like ti think Terra is a Red Mage, but she really isnt good at physical attacks so I think of her mostly as a Magus

Lightning

""She is a powerful Commando, having rather high physical and magical attack stats compared to most of her companions. As a Ravager she is quite utilitarian, able to use all four elemental "-strike" attacks, all elemental magic to the "-Ra" rank, as well as casting Thundaga"

Sounds Red Mage-like to me, wields a sword and wears a red cape, mid-powered magic spells and balanced physical and magical abilities. Worth a mention? Doreiku Kuroofangu 01:44, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think not. XIII characters, marginally less than XII characters, can be all purpose. Having high physical and magical attack power compared to other characters isn't indicative of a Red Mage, anyway. 8bit 01:54, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

On its own no. I admit I don't know FF13's battle system, but as I read she had a variety of magical abilities balanced with physical power, I thought "oh, Red Mage." Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:03, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that nearly everyone has a balance of physical and magical abilities. All characters have "ga" specialties; while Lightning has Thundaga, Snow has Waterga and Blizzaga. You can get into the Synergist and Saboteur classes, with mixes of buffs and debuffs, the Sentinel abilities, which Lightning does not major in etc. All characters can access the Medic role, major or minor. I think the ability thing is much too versatile to be counted, and all that's left is Lightning's sword and.... burgundy cape. :D 8bit 02:06, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay then. Thanks for explaining. Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:08, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

I personally thought Red Mage when playing the game. Yeah, everyone can fill any role eventually, but her main roles are Commando (physical attacks), Ravager (elemental magical attacks), and Medic (healing magic). That's exactly the description of a Red Mage and no other character in the game has that particular combination of main roles. Plus, she even does fit the wardrobe requirements. Squall L. 05:40, March 8, 2012 (UTC)Squall L.

Sazh has early access to En-spells and equal but smaller proficiency in both magic and attack, more trademarks of the job. - Henryacores^ 21:04, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sazh could be considered one, too, since buffing spells are still considered White Magic. However, I think Lightning is a more egregious example. Squall L. 20:51, March 30, 2012 (UTC)Squall L.

Terra Debate

No, Terra is never specifically called a Red Mage. Nor is Kimahri specifically called a Blue Mage, Fran is not a Ranger, and Relm is not a Beastmaster. Yet the images are featured because they fit the general profile of the job even if not specifically stated as being of the job. Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:35, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that why suggest Terra because there isn't really any characters that are Red Mages. Cloud or Squall can be Red Mages just because they can uses Fire and Cure and wield sword. But Terra can learn Magic without Magicite and she wears Red, does that sound like Red Mage to you?  NeoZEROX  19:45, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Drake. A lot of characters are never said to have job classes, but we still consider them to be a certian job class because of their weaponry and abilities. Therefore, if a red mage is said to be someone who knows magic and can also wield swords, then it's only logical to call Terra (and Celes) red mages.HarpieSiren 20:34, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

By that logic, basically anybody in the series can be a red mage. And I would call Celes a Mystic Knight before I would call her a Red Mage. ShirubaKurono 20:59, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

No we can't, just because you might be able to teach a character how to use a sword and magic through whatever system the game is using doesn't make them a red mage. Terra and Celes learn magic naturally, and they equip swords and heavy armor naturally, without the help of the game's system. It has nothing to do with what you can teach them, it's their innate abilities. HarpieSiren 22:11, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

The way I see it, it's similar to how Relm is the main image for the Beastmaster job, despite her already having an official job even if it only appears in her game. She's never referred to as a Beastmaster, but she's the only notable named character who can do things similar to a Beastmaster. Mizuno Mahou 03:18, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VI does not have job classes. There can be inferences yes, but only where the evidence is strong. For instance, we can infer that Cyan is supposed to emulate a Samurai, since he is the only one that can weild Katana. However, there are multiple characters who can wield both schools of magic (In fact all but one character), and multiple characters can use swords as well. Therefore, we cannot prove without a doubt that Terra was created with to emulate the Red Mage job class. For example, no other Red Mage can transform like Terra does. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:46, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

For example, no other Red Mage can transform like Terra does. Thieves don't generally transform either, does that make Zidane any less of a theif? HarpieSiren 05:52, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Except with Cyan specifically, the Advance release does in fact, call him a Samurai, while Terra is a "Magitek Elite", which is stated in-game to refer to the Empire's elite warriors that use magic. And again, let's not pick now to get picky about characters who may or may not represent Job classes. Also, what Harpie said. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:52, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Zidane's tranformation is due to Trance, which is not unique to him and not a Job Ability. So that arguement is null. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:00, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

I would like to suggest this image instead, as I think it illustrates the concept of a Red Mage quite well. It's also awesome, but that's beside the point. — Yuan^Salve!_Acta 05:56, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

But he still nameless, why is it such a big problem having Terra as the posterchild?!  NeoZEROX  05:58, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

It isn't. We have Fran on the Ranger page, Relm on the Beastmaster page, Kimahri on the Blue Mage page, Rikku on the Chemist page. When a character is not given an exact job but still fits the abilities of the job, they qualify, that's the unwritten rule. Terra qualifies as a Red Mage by that idea. Doreiku Kuroofangu 06:01, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

The image I chose illustrates the concept better. The character wears the archetypical clothing of a Red Mage, and the blade she (?) wields is enchanted, showing that she has mastered both magic and physical attacks. Terra, as has been said above, isn't explicitly named as a Red Mage. This one obviously is. — Yuan^Salve!_Acta 06:02, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Next, you will debate which game title illustrates a Red Mage better! I love it >:3 AJDurai 12:30, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy50/Whostolemymuffin/FFWiki%20Stuff/Talkbox.png

		Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - Likeacupcake 06:39, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
		Solution; just use the earliest picture of any of such class. E.g. (Origins) FFI Thief and Redmage, FFIII Dragoon ect. They are easily rocognised by people as that job, and it stops this pathetic debate.

		Werefang - "If it moves, shoot it; if not, paint it." TALK - 14:11, March 17, 2010 (UTC)- Abyss
		I agree with Yuan and/or Likeacupcake. We need a recognisable general representation. One cannot just assume that a character is of any particular Job. Cloud is not a warrior just because he has a sword and Sephiroth is not a samurai just because he has a Japanese longsword. Only someone who is called a red mage is in fact a red mage. Otherwise you are assuming facts not in evidance.

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq156/DrakeClawfang/LightningAvatar3.png

		SilverCrono — 15:22, March 17, 2010 (UTC) "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
		I agree, that works for me ^^

		Leon5550 - Procede. Fac mevm diem, pvnc. TALK - 12:11, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
		Although I find this pic ( this one) to have more of a 'Red Mage' feel to it, with the rapier and beard and all, but really, it's just a suggestion ^^

But you have to think about it like this: certain jobs only let you use certain weapons so if a character is using a weapon then they would have to be of a certain job. --Uzuki 15:54, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Red Mage Reputation

Whenever I look at a Final Fantasy I Walkthrough, they always complain how Red Mages are horrible and useless. Well I am here to tell those assholes (NOTE: This does not redirect to BlueHighwind, due to his super badassness.) that Red Mages are epic. They are perfect for replacing White Mages and/or Black Mages (due to their low defense and offense, while the Red Mage, has good defense and offense) incase you are sick of getting a thousand Phoneix Downs for them.

So basically, if you are gonna insult Red Mages, why don't you people just PLAY A DAMN GAME WITH THEM ALL THE WAY!? 67.173.36.164 23:18, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Except they aren't perfect. Early-game yes they're great, but later in the game they can't cast the stronger spells that White and Black Mages can, they don't do as much damage or have as high defense as Knights, and that's that. The Red Mage is a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:31, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

		Modedan - Spells and Swords..the best of both worlds! TALK - 10:54, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
		The true strength of a Red Mage is not how powerful he is on his own, but how he assists the party. Think about it for a second. In the early stages he can do most magics that white/black mages can do and hold his on in melee pretty well. Later in the game he does start to lack but he can still assist in healing, and has protera, invisara, temper, haste, and slowra for getting things going at first. His black magic is laughable against bosses but is still effective against enemies with a weakness as well as "swarms" of enemies. His melee skills are also a joke without high end weaponry, and he can also haste/temper himself up so he can stand a fighting chance against bosses and then heal if needed. A red mage falls into a support role but that does not limit his usefulness. Just don't expect him to be a total powerhouse in terms of attacking, healing, or magic.

Dragon Quest 9 Armamentalist

In DQ9 one of the 2nd Tier Vocations (DQ's Job class system) is the Armamentalist. Functionally it is identical to a Red Mage, being able to equip a limited range of swords, bows, and wands while having access to many support spells, however it has below average stats. Additionally, the artwork for the class has a male Armamentalist in an outfit identical to the standard Red Mage outfit, right down to the feathered hat.

Thus my question is, should this be added as trivia? Evnyofdeath 04:15, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Since no one has said anything, I'll just add a brief line of trivia to the page, and if it is deemed unnecessary I'll remove it myself. Evnyofdeath 05:25, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Anyone else dislike the main image?

I'd much rather see a more traditional red mage sort of image for the main, even a sprite from FF1 would look better than whatever that is, IMO. 98.243.94.83 21:32, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

I see a sword, a red hat and a red coat. Define "traditional red mage." Tia-Lewise 21:50, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

What is actually a red mage?

It took me since playing final fantasy 1 to figure out what the red mage was. The red mage is strange type of vampire hunter that hunts vampires and clergy and share both of their sins. It makes sense to me. Red mages also hate other red mages and themselves too.

Tameria (lost in time)

Red Mage's Hat

Hey, does anybody know what kind of hat the Red Mage wears, specifically Final Fantasy 1? TronX7 (talk) 05:14, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

if you mean in real life terms.. i think the closest kind of hat to what a Red mage wears is a fedora with a feather.. or possibly a trilby. the FFXI version (which looks pretty much the same as FF1s) calls it a Chapeau, which is just French for hat. --Arciele Spira (talk) 05:30, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

In FFRK, the Plumed Hat from FFV looks like a Red Mage's hat, so I'd say it's a plumed hat. Myself 123 15:23, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

In FFXIII sequels it appears as an adornment called "Red Mage's Chapeau".—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 15:44, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Apparently, chapeau is just the French word for hat. Myself 123 15:46, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Real life equivalent is a pimp hat.

Quotes

Just curious, but is there no Dissidia quote for Red Mages? I want to use them for a private project, but I was hoping for a full set of quotes. 66.129.63.77 22:18, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Afraid not. The Dissidia quotes are taken from the "Lore" items that bestow the ability to use new equipment types to a character. Each "Lore" is named for a job, but there isn't one for the Red Mage. DrakeyC (talk) 00:15, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Darn. Thanks. 66.129.63.77 00:43, October 3, 2015 (UTC)