Talk: Orichalcum (weapon)

Move to Orichalcum Dirk?

According to my count. Orichalcum (or that spelling of it anyway) is used 4 times and Orichalcum Dirk is used 5 times. The page is supposed to be named after the most common usage, right? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:20, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

5, if you count Zidane's second dagger when he dual wields. However, XI's Orichalcum shouldn't even be on the page, rendering it down to 4 again. Up to you folks. Jimcloud 06:34, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Orichalcum is more general, considering the several different spellings that are used through time. - Henryacores^ 17:06, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Zidane's "Orichalcum"

Okay, I noticed this on a topic on GameFAQ's, so I'll bring it up here in hopes of some clarification. Where's the source for:

A. Zidane's default dagger that he always has equipped being called officially, in English, Orichalcum and not Orichalcon, as the word is translated in FFIX eleswhere? In Japanese, it's always オリハルコン, with the naming differences only arising from the translators. And as far as I can find, the name of Zidane's default dagger has never been translated into English in any media.

B. The weapon being called the Orichalcum/on to begin with? The only place anywhere where a weapon that looks like the one Zidane wields is given a name is in the FFXII Scenario Ultimania where it details each of Gilgamesh's fake weapons. In there, the weapon is called, exactly, the "オリハルレプリカ" or Orichalcum/on Replica (Orihalreplica, to be literal), and the description does not even mention it is from FFIX, unlike the other fake weapons. It is perfectly possible this particular fake is a fake precisely because it is NOT FFIX's Orichalcon, but just Zidane's plain old default unnamed dagger that Gilgamesh took by mistake. Espritduo (talk) 08:46, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

In case anyone is curious, here is the full text for the replica weapon as seen in the FFXII Scenario Ultimania (which is the entirety of all official info on this weapon as far as I know):

"オリハルレプリカ - 「 FF」シリーズ 定番の短剣, オリハルコンのレプリカ. 本物とちがい, 刃が長いほか, 柄の部分独特の形状をしている."

I translate this as "Orihalreplica - A replica of the Orichalcum, a staple dagger of the FF series. The differences from the original are the longer blade and differently shaped handle." Espritduo (talk) 09:24, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hah, wow, I'm an idiot. Looks like the dagger's artwork is also in the Art of Final Fantasy IX book (http://www.espritduo.com/images/The%20Art%20of%20Final%20Fantasy%20IX/962%20-%20Equipment%201.jpg), which I am quite familiar with, having scanned every page of it, and I still somehow forgot all about it. And as you can see, it is called, in English, the Orichalcon. So wherever it being called Orichalcum came from, that line's got to go. Espritduo (talk) 09:42, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Since you have the FF12 book, if I may ask, does it mention the two Tournesols Gilgamesh has being a reference to Excalibur and Excalipoor? Doreiku Kuroofangu 10:10, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

It actually mentions that they are based on the FFV versions of those weapons. If you look at the artwork(http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:Excalibur.jpg) for the FFV Excalibur and Excalipoor, you'll see that they do in fact look startlingly like the Tournesol, and the Excalibur does have a sun on its hilt and the Excalipoor a moon on its hilt. Also, if you look at Dissidia 012's Excalibur for Gilgamesh, it looks very much like the FFV artwork as well. And looking at the wiki's FFV Ex pic...that's horribly small, heh. I may need to get off my ass and finally scan all those properly. Espritduo (talk) 10:22, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, interesting. Thank you. Doreiku Kuroofangu 10:24, November 10, 2012 (UTC)