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*sniff sniff*. Spears, looks badass, summons Bahamut...dare I say, I think I smell FF13's Dragoon? I think I'm gonna like her. Drake Clawfang 18:05, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

At the beginning, I didn't like her but after knowing she can summon the Hallowed Father and use Spears, I think she can become my favorite girl in FFXIII. ---- TenzaZangetsu 14 October 2009 (UTC)
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Well, you guys seriously needed a Female Dragoon, too much guys.
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...is still ugly as hell MMLN [[User talk:|メーマウリアン]] 15:31, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I agree in that we need a better version of it, but not that the close-up is a better choice than the current one.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:45, October 15, 2009 (UTC)}}


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Playable character?

Where has it been confirmed she is a playable character? Link me, please, with reliable translation. I saw the scan but unfortunately I can't translate. D: 8bit 16:18, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Translation nothing. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/103/1034928p1.html. Drake Clawfang 16:19, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Muchos gracias. 8bit 16:25, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

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She's hot but Lightning's hotter.

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Her doesn't suck, they only wanted to make her look more feminine but she still looks pretty damn badass.
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Celes? Yes. Terra? Only Esper-Terra.
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Nice FFVI reference, Xepscern! Do they always fight like this over characters? It's very silly, I agree. XD MisfitAirship

The other times they fight over characters it's worse, believe me. ---- TenzaZangetsu 26 October 2009 (UTC)
This fight, Misfit, is nothing but good fun. Usually, fights are usually about if a certain char. is better then anouther. Those turn violent.--Xepscern 22:31, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
Yikes, I'd hate to see those. I bet they'd tare each other limb from limb if there wasn't a computer screen in the way! Thanks for the heads up, I'll be sure to avoid those kinds of fights! Man, isn't that what the DNC is for? Why don't they do their fighting there? MisfitAirship

Oh for the love of...I've never had a girlfriend but at least I am not this desperate. Exdeath64 00:50, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Once again I arrive too late to make my claim. What a shame.--Wavesteel 23:33, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

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Just noticed this

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Me, I would say not only the hair but the tatoo too.--Hotdragon 295 00:03, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Flirtatious?

"During the development, most of Lightning's sex appeal was transferred to Fang to make Lightning a more serious character. As a result, Fang is very flirtatious."

Maybe I'm just not far in enough yet, but I haven't seen this at all so far. Okay, so she told Snow "keep your pants on." That could be seen as innuendo-y, but it's also a fairly common phrase and hardly defines her character as "very flirtatious" worthy of being placed in her Personality section. Maybe that's how she was meant to be during development but it doesn't seem to show through at all. Vanille? Definitely. Always running up and hugging people, saying things like "How can you close your eyes with such a cute girl around?", etc... Hell, I'm surprised Sazh hasn't been charged as a sex offender yet. But Fang displays none of this whatsoever, as far as I can tell. Was this aspect moved (again) to Vanille, or does she randomly perform a U-turn and become a completely different character later on? Dazuro 00:54, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering about that too, I mean, where's the proof in that, you know? I'm playing the game and I haven't seen any of this flirtatiousness. Judge Balthier Griever Emblem 00:41, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
She does this to Vanille mostly (especially in the japanese, the american version toned this down), this is why you don't notice it. She barely ever flirts with male characters.
Yeah, but even so, my brother's been playing and his reaction was something along the lines of "damn, she's a major lesbian." It's his file, but I guess to check Vanille's mark, she whips her whole skirt up and all the guys turn around as quickly as possible? That's kind of a wow. XD Bluestarultor 23:34, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
The reason for lifting up the side of Vanille's skirt, by her thigh, while on board the Palamecia is clearly explained as being concern over the progression of her L'Cie brand/mark. The further along it is, the sooner you go Cie'th, and she makes it clear that she'd rather destroy Cocoon than watch any of the playable characters go Cie'th. Vanille's L'Cie mark is on her upper thigh. Yrl 00:49, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
-__________- I'll just believe that it is sisterly love. :p Judge Balthier Griever Emblem 01:43, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
It was actually Nomura that said Fang was flirtatious in an interview, and in my eyes it's true, especially in comparison to Lightning, but Vanille is the true flirt in this game. Oh, and she's a lesbian alright! XD SamSandy 18:49, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

This?

"Fang is getting nervous because it has been two days since the Cavalry got her, and Vanille probably doesn't have much time left. She agreed to stay on the Lindblum to avoid capture by the army but Fang feels that she is wasting time just sitting around. She encounters Raines again, who tells her that the ship had been sealed up to stop her from escaping. Fang goes with him into the room that she was brought into blindfolded, Raines turns a device that plays a conversation a soldier recorded about the fal'Cie Eden lifting the blockade from Euride. Then he tells Fang to wait three more days until the festival in Bodhum, and she agrees to do so."

When exactly did this take place? I don't remember this from the game.--NinjaSheik 21:14, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

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Oh, all right. Can you show me where?--NinjaSheik 19:48, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

For some idiotic reason Square-Enix never translated it, but you can find a fan translation here: http://dilly-shilly.blogspot.com/ Hatsune Miku 00:30, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

What actually happens during the final boss fight

So, the Fang article gives the following line:

"the rest of the party arrives, telling both Vanille and Fang that they were tricked by Orphan into believing they had become Cie'th."

But the Vanille article (and most other articles with a plot summary) gives this interpretation:

"until the rest of the party revert back to normal from their Cie'th forms and save Fang."

Is there an official SE source that clarifies what happens in that scene?

NeA-Tannor

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Thanks for the summary. In case my first post wasn't clear enough, I'm not really asking for someone's opinion on what happens in this scene. There are two versions of the same story on this wiki and I'm trying to start a reconciliation effort so that everything is consistent. Your theory was interesting though.

I think the version where they don't really turn to Cie'th is the correct one, because after 'becoming human' again Lightning says, 'More fal'Cie smoke and mirrors', implying it was just a trick.Keltainentoukokuu 20:34, May 12, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
I think the point of the long scene is that they manage to free themselves from being fal'Cie slaves, which is why their brands turn white. Vanille (narrator's voice) talks about it while the camera goes around showing the brands turning white. Barthandelus is a master of creating illusions. He creates Galenth Dysley as his human avatar. He creates a vision of Serah the party meets in Oerba. I don't think it's out of his powers to create an illusion of the characters turning into Cie'th. In the scene the others appear as human again they were no longer bundled up on top of Fang, but run in from somewhere behind Vanille. Keltainentoukokuu 19:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

When they return to the spot, they say: "We were somewhere dark, but then we remembered everything we've gone throught. We can't stop now, so we came back" (or something similar). I personally believe they became Cie'th, but were able to return into their human forms. Orphan says the Fal'Cie turn humans into l'Cie to wield their power, as humans have the will to overcome any challenge and do the impossible. When the 4 are turned into cie'th, they probably broke out of it with sheer power of will. ZaFlareStar 12:04, 17th of June, 2010. (UTC)

Obviously late to the party on this subject, but I -just- Got to this part again (I've played this game several times and beat it about 3, going on 4), and the half where they all 'become Cie'th' In fact, in high opinion, did happen. The reason for Lightning quoting that their appearance, once back to their human selves, "Might be more fal'Cie smoke and mirrors." Is because Fang asks, "You're alive!?" After all that had happened moments ago, is because of the party being alive and human again could just be an illusion. 'Course we know it isn't, but Lightning takes just about any chance to be cynical, doesn't she? P.S.: Fang's been married, she's got both. Vanille, and me. Her collection of both genders is complete! :O Move along, gentlemen, move along. >:/ --Gunji 13:18, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

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Finaly some Acceptance.

Finally two gay people in this case lesbians appear in a Final Fantasy showing their acceptence of the gay community. Oerba Dia Vannile and Oerba Yun Fang, two lipstick lesbian lovers, were finally getting somewhere. HURRAY!--Silver Praetor 18:29, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

What does that even mean? And no offense, but you use very bad grammer. AJtwosig 18:38, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, my grammar is usually better, but I have only been awake for.... maybe 20 minutes now, so my mind is still trying get itself together. I am having a slow start. What I said above means, there has never been two gay or lesbian characters in a Final Fantasy before, so I am happy to see Oerba Yun Fang and Oerba Dia Vanille, they are the first gays (lesbians), it makes me happy.--Silver Praetor 18:45, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Um, I don't know what brought you to that conclusion, but they aren't lesbians. They are like sisters, and I don't knoww aht would bring you to think that. Have you even played XIII? AJtwosig 19:02, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I have played it, but I think it could have been alot better. Also, I believe they are lesbians and that is my opinion, I know there are others that agree with me, and there are those like you who think that they are straight, but everyone is entitled too their own opinion. I will give you some leeway here, maybe they are both bisexual.--Silver Praetor 19:16, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion; but let me ask you this: Throughout the game, Vanille and Fang indirectly hit on the party members. But, they don't hit on eachother, nor do they hit on Lightning - they stick entirely to the boys. If they were lesbians - or even bisexual - then please explain to why they did none of these things to their fello female cast. P.S. purposefully, I am using my Cocoon Script signature, if you didn't catch it already. AJtwosig 19:23, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

I can completely see your point, but I am still sticking with my opinion. Plus, who want's to hit in Claire (Lightning), she is way too serious and there are only three girls in the main cast, yes Serah (Lightnings sister) is in there, but she is not that important. So, with the lack of female cast members, that part of your argument is fairly weak.--Silver Praetor 19:46, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and with the lack of female cast members, there is no reason to have the two of them to be lesbians if there is no one for them to hit on besides each other, which never happens either in-game of in the prequel thingy. AJtwosig 19:57, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

But, although it is never mentioned, what if Fang and Vanille are dating and never tell anyone?--Silver Praetor 20:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Write a fanfic story of them to please yourself. Like A.J. said they just have a strong sisterly bond. You can't just assume they're in love with eachother. FFVIIACCXD 20:06, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Pssht. Why is everyone having such a hard time accepting the fact that there may be a gay (lsebian) couple in Final Fantasy.--Silver Praetor 21:12, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

If you want Gay or Lesbian, then look at VII. What about Cloud and Barret going on the date? And then you have Ms. Cloud and Aerith/Tifa/Yuffie. There,s your Gay/Lesbian/whatever right there. AJtwosig 21:40, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Silver Praetor, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but at least in the North American release there isn't enough information to state with any certainty that Fang is homosexual or heterosexual. Most of her comments regarding Vanille come off as protective and caring; could be sexual love, but just as likely is not. They grew up in the same town and have what appears to me and probably the majority of people to be a sister-like bond. The reason for lifting up the side of Vanille's skirt, by her thigh, while on board the Palamecia is clearly explained as being concern over the progression of her L'Cie brand/mark. The further along it is, the sooner you go Cie'th, and she makes it clear that she'd rather destroy Cocoon than watch any of the playable characters go Cie'th. Also, in the Japanese release my understanding is that Fang is made very flirtatious with Snow in particular, which would suggest that she is either heterosexual or bisexual, not homosexual. People aren't having a hard time accepting it. They're just not seeing it. Simply because there are two females of approximately the same age in the same game who are not explicitly given a relationship with a male character doesn't mean they're lesbians. Yrl 00:47, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah yeah, I know that, but I already said she is maybe Bi, so that was already covered. I plan on dropping this and working on articles where my talens lare. The summons await.--Silver Praetor 01:09, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more references to them being gay in the japanese version. Americans obviously would tune stuff like that down... Deleted parts from cutscenes, or differently translated speech. It'd be great if anyone found a japanese source of information (translated). My brother keeps claiming they're lesbians. I can see the reference to it very minor, very balanced inbetween the relationship of sisters and lovers. ZaFlareStar 0:29, 13th of June, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, the only reason people don't want to believe they're any thing close to lesbian's is because MOST OF THOSE people are young males who have wet dreams about Fang and or Vanille. By that I mean dealing with them in some steamy thought, and not girl on girl with each other. And if they aren't male, then they're homophobic females. Either or. If they're in some type of relationship, or friends with benefits, so what. They're pixelated, you have no relative chance anyway. That aside Fang is just like Snow when it came to Serah. "Serah, I'll save you! No matter what!" etc. Some may disagree because Snow was going to marry Serah. That doesn't even conclude this rant. Marriage is a title, correct? You don't automatically love some one because you vowed to live your life with them. Correct? Least I'm wishing so, people would be p screwed up if not. Then consider all the heroic things Fang said about Vanille. They. Are. The. Same. Although yes, Fang is now female, but suddenly because she's 'missing some parts', it's wrong to think there may be some thing outside of a 'platonic' Bond? plz. Lightning and Serah weren't even that close, and they're all they have left too. Yet if Fang were still male, nobody would think twice. Sad. America, you are sad. --Gunji 13:41, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone tell me

Why Fang is probably the most badass character in the whole FF series? X

Shes totaly ruthless, speaks her mind, has a badass tattoo, cool hair, cool accent, a killer spear, she protects her friends, the Highwind, and Bahamut. Oh and she's a lady. ;) FFVIIACCXD 02:46, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Leona Lewis

Does ANYONE else notice that she looks and talks like Leona Lewis... a LOT??? 76.20.235.168 22:39, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

She...doesn't really at all?Keltainentoukokuu 22:47, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
Well, in MY opinion, she reminds me of her. I dunno why, but she does. It might be the amazing accents though... 76.20.235.168 18:58, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Interesting that you seem to be making a comparison between their accents. Fancy a British singer like Leona Lewis having an Australian accent. How did I not notice sooner? </sarcasm> -- Sorceror Nobody 19:30, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

FYI, you (obviously) uneducated people, Australia was a British prison colony. And I never said the accents sounded alike, I said they were both amazing. And it's something in the sound of their voice, not the voice itself. So I was just trying to see if anyone felt the same way. Sorry if my opinions hurt your widdle feelings, but a 14 year old girl MIGHT think differently than you imbeciles. So you can shut up and stop ridiculing me for wanting to know what other people thought, got it? 76.20.235.168 21:30, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

FYI, I am perfectly aware of Australia's colony origins, and FYI it has little to no relevance in this issue. As for comparing their accents, saying that they talk similarly and then mentioning their accents does imply that they sound similar. Still, I will concede that this was a misunderstanding on my part. Nonetheless, I'm interested to know how there could be some similarity in "the sound of their voice[s]" if it's neither the voices themselves nor the accents. I'm not sure what other components of the voice remain if you remove both of those.
Also, you can shut up. No matter how you feel about our reaction to your remarks, you are way out of line in being so self-important, and you certainly have no justification for calling us imbeciles -- Sorceror Nobody 22:52, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

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I have a question about English , dark brown hair has the same meaning that black hair? I ask this because Fang has black hair with red highlights, but brown? Where?

An interesting bit of Fang trivia

Has anyone else noticed that Fang is the only Pulse l'Cie whose l'Cie brand is on the right side of her body? Everyone else either has theirs located somewhere on the left side of their body - Lightning, Hope, Serah, Vanille, and Snow - or in the center of their body - Sahz Katzroy. And the only other l'Cie who also have their brands on the right side of their bodies are Dahj Katzroy and Cid Raines, two Cocoon l'Cie. TaliesinKyoshi 02:06, March 12, 2011 (UTC) Taliesin-Kyoshi

Edit: Apologies for the second posting, but I spotted another interesting trivia fact about Fang: she has the exact same Japanese voice actress - Mabuki Andou - as the character of Balsa in the anime series Seirei no Moribito: Guardian Of The Spirit. In that series, Balsa is a warrior/bodyguard who's originally from the land of Kanbal - by the time the series starts she has settled into the kingdom of Shin-Yogo - and who primarily uses a spear to fight. Although Balsa doesn't use any jumping attacks or Lancet-style moves, she's a fierce fighter and is often considered to be as good a fighter as any man is, if not superior. (Not unlike Fang.) TaliesinKyoshi 06:58, March 21, 2011 (UTC)TaliesinKyoshi

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