Talk:Oerba Yun Fang

*sniff sniff*. Spears, looks badass, summons Bahamut...dare I say, I think I smell FF13's Dragoon? I think I'm gonna like her. Drake Clawfang 18:05, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

At the beginning, I didn't like her but after knowing she can summon the Hallowed Father and use Spears, I think she can become my favorite girl in FFXIII. ---- TenzaZangetsu 14 October 2009 (UTC)

		Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!! TALK - 21:16, October 14, 2009 (UTC)Zeo Ranger 4, GREEN!!
		HOLY FUCKING MOTHER OF GOD!!!! DRAGOON IN XIII!!!!! Er... *cough* sorry bout that. And, the Dragoon legacy lives on. Welcome to the ranks, Fang.

TenzaZangetsu Special:Editcount/TenzaZangetsu October 14 2009 (UTC)  -   "What kind of a house doesn't have salt? Low sodium freaks!!": Well, you guys seriously needed a Female Dragoon, too much guys.

		Armageddon11 - Sind Sie das Essen? Nein, wir sind der Jäger! TALK - 15:49, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
		I'm just happy Bahamut isn't going to be wasted on Hope!

		NeoBahamutZEROX - Every time a petal falls a young life is taken by lady Death hands... TALK
		Dragoon, Bahamut, two words, Favorite Character! I can't wait to play XIII now.

		SilverDragon28 - All your weapons are belong to Firion. TALK - 23:21, October 16, 2009 (UTC) Veni, vidi, vici.
		Please, Square, let her have jump. You didn't put it in XII, I want Jump in this game.

The picture

...is still ugly as hell MMLN [[User talk:|メーマウリアン]] 15:31, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I agree in that we need a better version of it, but not that the close-up is a better choice than the current one.  Armageddon11!  15:45, October 15, 2009 (UTC)}}

		MadHatter1284 - <option>{{{1}}}</option> TALK - MadHatter1284 14:21, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
		Speaking of the picture, she looks like a sort of Mage Hybrid as well as a dragoon. Possibilities? I vote for Geomancer, no main character in the series has ever been that before. Even the spear looks like a staff hybrid.

Playable character?

Where has it been confirmed she is a playable character? Link me, please, with reliable translation. I saw the scan but unfortunately I can't translate. D: 8bit 16:18, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Translation nothing. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/103/1034928p1.html. Drake Clawfang 16:19, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Muchos gracias. 8bit 16:25, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I Love You

		BlueHighwind Q? 19:00, October 24, 2009 (UTC) TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ:
		Marry me. Please.

Ditto  ILHI ^{19:04, October 24, 2009 (UTC)}

		DrakeyC - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - 19:05, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
		Get in line boys, she's mine.

TenzaZangetsu Special:Editcount/TenzaZangetsu October 24, 2009 (UTC)  -   "Let’s see, what rhymes with "Shut up, you moron"?.": She's hot but Lightning's hotter.

Yeah fucking right, Lightning was sexier before they changed her. And she was sexier because she didn't look like she was supposed to be a feminine character meant for fan-service. Also pink hair sucks, and her chin looks messed up.  ILHI ^{19:12, October 24, 2009 (UTC)}

TenzaZangetsu Special:Editcount/TenzaZangetsu October 24, 2009 (UTC)  -   "Honestly, I think the world's going to end bloody. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't fight. We do have choices. I choose to go down swingin.": Her doesn't suck, they only wanted to make her look more feminine but she still looks pretty damn badass.

		Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!! TALK - 19:34, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
		DAMNIT, I'm the only user who wants her who's her job. I gave up Quistis to Fae, to get her. Blue, you already called Tifa, so I'm the next Dragoon in line.

		DrakeyC - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - 20:02, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
		Bah, look at my template, I'm currently a Dragoon, I'm just like in FF5, I change jobs on a whim. Anyway, I called her out as being a Dragoon, so I still get dibs.

		NeoBahamutZEROX - Every time a petal falls a young life is taken by lady Death hands... TALK
		I fine this funny, new girl comes in and all the guys just want to sleep with her.

		DrakeyC - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - 20:05, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
		Not *just* her, I'm thinking threesome with her and Lightning.

		NeoBahamutZEROX - Every time a petal falls a young life is taken by lady Death hands... TALK
		Like the one with Terra and Celes?

TenzaZangetsu Special:Editcount/TenzaZangetsu October 24, 2009 (UTC)  -   "Into the depths of darkness.": Celes? Yes. Terra? Only Esper-Terra.

		MadHatter1284 - <option>{{{1}}}</option> TALK - MadHatter1284 23:24, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
		If her personality was swapped with Lightning and her hair with Sephiroth, I wouldn't even ASK to sleep with her. I miss the days where women didn't have choices :(

		Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!! TALK - 03:30, October 25, 2009 (UTC)ZEO RANGER 4 GREEN
		I plan on killing anyone who stands in my way.

		BlueLionheart - "Be careful, dear friend, lest you fall into the endless ocean of stars..." - 水風死 TALK - 03:32, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
		This is one of the silliest things I have ever read...

		Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 03:36, October 25, 2009 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright.
		Then you have much to learn. It's only a bit of fun. Did anyone claim Jihl? I hope not, because she is mine.

		Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!! TALK - 03:39, October 25, 2009 (UTC)Zeo Ranger 4, GREEN!!
		Go ahead, DSS. I already found and bought the ring I'm going to use to propose to Fang. And BL, yes, this is silly, but it's just good fun.

		BlueLionheart - "Be careful, dear friend, lest you fall into the endless ocean of stars..." - 水風死 TALK - 03:44, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
		Whatever. Do not say I did not warn you.

		Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 03:46, October 25, 2009 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright.
		Warn us? What on earth is going to happen?

		BlueLionheart - "Be careful, dear friend, lest you fall into the endless ocean of stars..." - 水風死 TALK - 03:52, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
		You will find out.

		Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!! TALK - 03:54, October 25, 2009 (UTC)Zeo Ranger 4, GREEN!!
		This is just a silly fight, BL. Stop being such a fuddy-duddy. You're worse then Relm.

Nice FFVI reference, Xepscern! Do they always fight like this over characters? It's very silly, I agree. XD MisfitAirship

The other times they fight over characters it's worse, believe me. ---- TenzaZangetsu 26 October 2009 (UTC)

This fight, Misfit, is nothing but good fun. Usually, fights are usually about if a certain char. is better then anouther. Those turn violent.--Xepscern 22:31, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Yikes, I'd hate to see those. I bet they'd tare each other limb from limb if there wasn't a computer screen in the way! Thanks for the heads up, I'll be sure to avoid those kinds of fights! Man, isn't that what the DNC is for? Why don't they do their fighting there? MisfitAirship

Oh for the love of...I've never had a girlfriend but at least I am not this desperate. Exdeath64 00:50, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Once again I arrive too late to make my claim. What a shame.--Wavesteel 23:33, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Weapon

		SilverDragon28 - Say what you will about his outfit, Kuja is still far better than your precious Sephiroth TALK - 22:28, November 2, 2009 (UTC) Veni, vidi, vici.
		So, it's a combination of a spear, a two-bladed Darth Maul-style sword, and nunchucks? Fang gets cooler with every new piece of information! She's a Dragoon, she wields an awesome weapon, and she rides on the back of FREAKIN' BAHAMUT! I can't wait for this game!

Musical theme

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FaythOfFenrir 02:14, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Just noticed this

		Faythoffenrir - Damn you, TV Tropes! TALK - 23:59, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
		Doesn't she kind of look like a female Jecht?

		Brago-77 - It's not the great who are strong, it's the strong who are great TALK - 00:05, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
		Hmmm, really? I'm not seeing it. Care to elaborate?

		Faythoffenrir - Damn you, TV Tropes! TALK - 00:12, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
		The Hair.

		Judge Balthier - Hamshanks! TALK - 02:36, March 16, 2010 (UTC) "Nothing couldn't be further from my mind. Should I swear by your sword or some such?"
		Hmm, funny, you know, if Bahamut was a hot female aussie, this is exactly what Bahamut would look like....? I like koala's :/

Me, I would say not only the hair but the tatoo too.--Hotdragon 295 00:03, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Flirtatious?

"During the development, most of Lightning's sex appeal was transferred to Fang to make Lightning a more serious character. As a result, Fang is very flirtatious."

Maybe I'm just not far in enough yet, but I haven't seen this at all so far. Okay, so she told Snow "keep your pants on." That could be seen as innuendo-y, but it's also a fairly common phrase and hardly defines her character as "very flirtatious" worthy of being placed in her Personality section. Maybe that's how she was meant to be during development but it doesn't seem to show through at all. Vanille? Definitely. Always running up and hugging people, saying things like "How can you close your eyes with such a cute girl around?", etc... Hell, I'm surprised Sazh hasn't been charged as a sex offender yet. But Fang displays none of this whatsoever, as far as I can tell. Was this aspect moved (again) to Vanille, or does she randomly perform a U-turn and become a completely different character later on? Dazuro 00:54, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering about that too, I mean, where's the proof in that, you know? I'm playing the game and I haven't seen any of this flirtatiousness. Judge Balthier 00:41, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

She does this to Vanille mostly (especially in the japanese, the american version toned this down), this is why you don't notice it. She barely ever flirts with male characters.

Yeah, but even so, my brother's been playing and his reaction was something along the lines of "damn, she's a major lesbian." It's his file, but I guess to check Vanille's mark, she whips her whole skirt up and all the guys turn around as quickly as possible? That's kind of a wow. XD Bluestarultor 23:34, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

The reason for lifting up the side of Vanille's skirt, by her thigh, while on board the Palamecia is clearly explained as being concern over the progression of her L'Cie brand/mark. The further along it is, the sooner you go Cie'th, and she makes it clear that she'd rather destroy Cocoon than watch any of the playable characters go Cie'th. Vanille's L'Cie mark is on her upper thigh. Yrl 00:49, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

-__________- I'll just believe that it is sisterly love. :p Judge Balthier 01:43, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

It was actually Nomura that said Fang was flirtatious in an interview, and in my eyes it's true, especially in comparison to Lightning, but Vanille is the true flirt in this game. Oh, and she's a lesbian alright! XD SamSandy 18:49, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

This?

"Fang is getting nervous because it has been two days since the Cavalry got her, and Vanille probably doesn't have much time left. She agreed to stay on the Lindblum to avoid capture by the army but Fang feels that she is wasting time just sitting around. She encounters Raines again, who tells her that the ship had been sealed up to stop her from escaping. Fang goes with him into the room that she was brought into blindfolded, Raines turns a device that plays a conversation a soldier recorded about the fal'Cie Eden lifting the blockade from Euride. Then he tells Fang to wait three more days until the festival in Bodhum, and she agrees to do so."

When exactly did this take place? I don't remember this from the game.--NinjaSheik 21:14, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

		FFfangirl - "Gullwings, let's go!" TALK - 3:40 p.m., April 27, 2010
		This is all from the thirteen days prior to the game's start. There are flashbacks but this is from the Light Novel of Episode Zero: Promise, some of these things aren't shown in the game.

Oh, all right. Can you show me where?--NinjaSheik 19:48, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

For some idiotic reason Square-Enix never translated it, but you can find a fan translation here: http://dilly-shilly.blogspot.com/ Hatsune Miku 00:30, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

What actually happens during the final boss fight

So, the Fang article gives the following line:

"the rest of the party arrives, telling both Vanille and Fang that they were tricked by Orphan into believing they had become Cie'th."

But the Vanille article (and most other articles with a plot summary) gives this interpretation:

"until the rest of the party revert back to normal from their Cie'th forms and save Fang."

Is there an official SE source that clarifies what happens in that scene?

		A.J. two (The Flashlight) - "Always Avoid Alliteration" TALK - "When life gives you cherries, make a bomb." 18:01, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
		I finished the game, so I think I can give you the gist of it. Note, however, that I could be leaving some things out or saying somethings wrong without knowing it. I could also be putting things in the wrong order too. You just have to play it to get it right. Okay, so Orphan (the final boss), through Barthandulus (the major antagonist of the game until the very end), tells the party that (I think this is what he meant) Humans are better then Fal'Cie, and Fal'Cie hate it. So, they make L'Cie so that they can have the power that Humans were bestowed by the maker. Then, Orphan's words convince Fang to transform into Ragnarok (the embodiment of death) and destroy Cocoon (the world on which Humans live). So, she turns against the party, but they succeed in stopping her. All the while, Orphan and Barthandulus are just watching. So now, they take Vanille and try to force her to become Ragnarok. Naturally, Fang doesn't like this. But, there's nothing she can do about it, because Vanille is being held in the air by some type of magic that the two Fal'Cie are using. So, at this point, the other four members of the party lose hope, and they are instantly turned into Cie'th. So, Fang becomes Ragnarok, but, as she is not completely willing to do so, she doesn't succeed in killing Orphan, as all of the Cocoon Fal'Cie, including Orphan himself, want. So, Barthandulud repeatedly kills Fang and revives her in order to force her into becoming Ragnarok again. She refuses, but Vanille decides to do it herself, against the objections of Fang. At the same time, Lightning, Snow, Sazh, and Hope are trapped inside of the crystal bodies that they are forever enslaved in. They can still half think, however, and think back to all of the things they remember that have happened over the course of both the game and the thirteen days prior. So, just as Vanille is about to turn into Ragnarok, the others, who have managed, through their memories, to regain theirselves, stop her. So, through some way that I can't remember, Barthandulus is destroyeed for good, and then they proceed to fight Orphan and destroy him once and for all. But, you may say: "Won't Cocoon be destroyed if Orphan is dead?" To answer this question, you must play for yourself. So, I hope that could enlighten you.

...

Thanks for the summary. In case my first post wasn't clear enough, I'm not really asking for someone's opinion on what happens in this scene. There are two versions of the same story on this wiki and I'm trying to start a reconciliation effort so that everything is consistent. Your theory was interesting though.

I think the version where they don't really turn to Cie'th is the correct one, because after 'becoming human' again Lightning says, 'More fal'Cie smoke and mirrors', implying it was just a trick.Keltainentoukokuu 20:34, May 12, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

		Yrl - Your pain shall be two-fold. TALK - 00:01, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
		I've given this quite a bit of thought too, and I'm nearly certain that they did become Cie'th. Here are my reasons. 1) We see the character's cherished thoughts/happy memories and then the characters come back. What would be the point of that relatively long scene if them being Cie'th was just one of Barthandelus' tricks? 2) Are we expected to believe that during this illusion, not only does Fang see them turn to Cie'th, but feels them attacking her? 3) Even if her sense of touch is also manipulated, why didn't the other characters (Lightning, Snow, Hope, Sazh) intervene or at the very least do something at this point? The only argument would be that in addition to creating the illusion, he also somehow transported those four elsewhere and they had to make their way back. I don't think Barthandelus has that kind of power and even if he did, why wouldn't he transport them further away? 4) To address supposed weaknesses in the theory that they did become Cie'th. a) Lightning's statement "Better keep an eye out, could be more Fal'Cie smoke and mirrors" is in reference to the illusion of Barthandelus' smashing Serah & Dajh's crystals, which the characters only experience visually. b) They were able to revert back from being Cie'th due to the strength of their willpower and memories, which they either still had soon after becoming Cie'th (in which case they can still think) or they were made to remember by the Maker.

I think the point of the long scene is that they manage to free themselves from being fal'Cie slaves, which is why their brands turn white. Vanille (narrator's voice) talks about it while the camera goes around showing the brands turning white. Barthandelus is a master of creating illusions. He creates Galenth Dysley as his human avatar. He creates a vision of Serah the party meets in Oerba. I don't think it's out of his powers to create an illusion of the characters turning into Cie'th. In the scene the others appear as human again they were no longer bundled up on top of Fang, but run in from somewhere behind Vanille. Keltainentoukokuu 19:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

When they return to the spot, they say: "We were somewhere dark, but then we remembered everything we've gone throught. We can't stop now, so we came back" (or something similar). I personally believe they became Cie'th, but were able to return into their human forms. Orphan says the Fal'Cie turn humans into l'Cie to wield their power, as humans have the will to overcome any challenge and do the impossible. When the 4 are turned into cie'th, they probably broke out of it with sheer power of will. ZaFlareStar 12:04, 17th of June, 2010. (UTC)

Obviously late to the party on this subject, but I -just- Got to this part again (I've played this game several times and beat it about 3, going on 4), and the half where they all 'become Cie'th' In fact, in high opinion, did happen. The reason for Lightning quoting that their appearance, once back to their human selves, "Might be more fal'Cie smoke and mirrors." Is because Fang asks, "You're alive!?" After all that had happened moments ago, is because of the party being alive and human again could just be an illusion. 'Course we know it isn't, but Lightning takes just about any chance to be cynical, doesn't she? P.S.: Fang's been married, she's got both. Vanille, and me. Her collection of both genders is complete! :O Move along, gentlemen, move along. >:/ --Gunji 13:18, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Fang's Sari

		FFfangirl - "Gullwings, let's go!" TALK - 6:28 p.m., May 28, 2010
		I've just tried to make Fang's Sari according to the instructions I posted on her page, and it looked flawless, just as it appears in the game. If you have any doubts, try making it yourselves, you won't regret it.

		A.J. two (The Flashlight) - "Always Avoid Alliteration" TALK - "When life gives you cherries, make a bomb." 18:42, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
		Why make her Sari? It's not like you're going to cosplay her. I'd leave that to the Fang lookalikes. EDIT: Okay, while it would be cool to look like Fang, it does no good that the instructions are in Japanese. Can you find an english translation? 18:45, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

		FFfangirl - "Gullwings, let's go!" TALK - 3:06 p.m., June 25, 2010
		I converted the fabric measurements and came up with 36 in. X 90 in. for the large piece, and 25.2 in. X 108 in. for the thin piece. Personally, I just followed the images and I ended up getting it right. I recently found a fan translation at this link Cosplay.com.

Finaly some Acceptance.

Finally two gay people in this case lesbians appear in a Final Fantasy showing their acceptence of the gay community. Oerba Dia Vannile and Oerba Yun Fang, two lipstick lesbian lovers, were finally getting somewhere. HURRAY!--Silver Praetor 18:29, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

What does that even mean? And no offense, but you use very bad grammer. 18:38, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, my grammar is usually better, but I have only been awake for.... maybe 20 minutes now, so my mind is still trying get itself together. I am having a slow start. What I said above means, there has never been two gay or lesbian characters in a Final Fantasy before, so I am happy to see Oerba Yun Fang and Oerba Dia Vanille, they are the first gays (lesbians), it makes me happy.--Silver Praetor 18:45, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Um, I don't know what brought you to that conclusion, but they aren't lesbians. They are like sisters, and I don't knoww aht would bring you to think that. Have you even played XIII? 19:02, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I have played it, but I think it could have been alot better. Also, I believe they are lesbians and that is my opinion, I know there are others that agree with me, and there are those like you who think that they are straight, but everyone is entitled too their own opinion. I will give you some leeway here, maybe they are both bisexual.--Silver Praetor 19:16, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion; but let me ask you this: Throughout the game, Vanille and Fang indirectly hit on the party members. But, they don't hit on eachother, nor do they hit on Lightning - they stick entirely to the boys. If they were lesbians - or even bisexual - then please explain to why they did none of these things to their fello female cast. P.S. purposefully, I am using my Cocoon Script signature, if you didn't catch it already. 19:23, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

I can completely see your point, but I am still sticking with my opinion. Plus, who want's to hit in Claire (Lightning), she is way too serious and there are only three girls in the main cast, yes Serah (Lightnings sister) is in there, but she is not that important. So, with the lack of female cast members, that part of your argument is fairly weak.--Silver Praetor 19:46, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and with the lack of female cast members, there is no reason to have the two of them to be lesbians if there is no one for them to hit on besides each other, which never happens either in-game of in the prequel thingy. 19:57, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

But, although it is never mentioned, what if Fang and Vanille are dating and never tell anyone?--Silver Praetor 20:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Write a fanfic story of them to please yourself. Like A.J. said they just have a strong sisterly bond. You can't just assume they're in love with eachother. FFVIIACCXD 20:06, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Pssht. Why is everyone having such a hard time accepting the fact that there may be a gay (lsebian) couple in Final Fantasy.--Silver Praetor 21:12, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

If you want Gay or Lesbian, then look at VII. What about Cloud and Barret going on the date? And then you have Ms. Cloud and Aerith/Tifa/Yuffie. There,s your Gay/Lesbian/whatever right there. 21:40, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Silver Praetor, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but at least in the North American release there isn't enough information to state with any certainty that Fang is homosexual or heterosexual. Most of her comments regarding Vanille come off as protective and caring; could be sexual love, but just as likely is not. They grew up in the same town and have what appears to me and probably the majority of people to be a sister-like bond. The reason for lifting up the side of Vanille's skirt, by her thigh, while on board the Palamecia is clearly explained as being concern over the progression of her L'Cie brand/mark. The further along it is, the sooner you go Cie'th, and she makes it clear that she'd rather destroy Cocoon than watch any of the playable characters go Cie'th. Also, in the Japanese release my understanding is that Fang is made very flirtatious with Snow in particular, which would suggest that she is either heterosexual or bisexual, not homosexual. People aren't having a hard time accepting it. They're just not seeing it. Simply because there are two females of approximately the same age in the same game who are not explicitly given a relationship with a male character doesn't mean they're lesbians. Yrl 00:47, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah yeah, I know that, but I already said she is maybe Bi, so that was already covered. I plan on dropping this and working on articles where my talens lare. The summons await.--Silver Praetor 01:09, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more references to them being gay in the japanese version. Americans obviously would tune stuff like that down... Deleted parts from cutscenes, or differently translated speech. It'd be great if anyone found a japanese source of information (translated). My brother keeps claiming they're lesbians. I can see the reference to it very minor, very balanced inbetween the relationship of sisters and lovers. ZaFlareStar 0:29, 13th of June, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, the only reason people don't want to believe they're any thing close to lesbian's is because MOST OF THOSE people are young males who have wet dreams about Fang and or Vanille. By that I mean dealing with them in some steamy thought, and not girl on girl with each other. And if they aren't male, then they're homophobic females. Either or. If they're in some type of relationship, or friends with benefits, so what. They're pixelated, you have no relative chance anyway. That aside Fang is just like Snow when it came to Serah. "Serah, I'll save you! No matter what!" etc. Some may disagree because Snow was going to marry Serah. That doesn't even conclude this rant. Marriage is a title, correct? You don't automatically love some one because you vowed to live your life with them. Correct? Least I'm wishing so, people would be p screwed up if not. Then consider all the heroic things Fang said about Vanille. They. Are. The. Same. Although yes, Fang is now female, but suddenly because she's 'missing some parts', it's wrong to think there may be some thing outside of a 'platonic' Bond? plz. Lightning and Serah weren't even that close, and they're all they have left too. Yet if Fang were still male, nobody would think twice. Sad. America, you are sad. --Gunji 13:41, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Except that Lightning also made similar statements about rescuing Serah, which kinda fizzles out your own argument. And Lightning's relationship with Serah was incredibly strained due to her obsession over protecting her since their parents' deaths, not spending nearly as much time with her because of her duties as a Guardian Corps soldier, her own personality issues(of which there are numerous) and discovery of her sister being I'cie. So, they're hardly an apt example to use when comparing them to Vanille and Fang. If anything, Fang and Vanille are positive counterparts to Lightning and Serah's more dysfunctional relationship.

And honestly, I never once thought they were lesbians. Not even an inkling throughout my playthrough gave me that idea. To me, it was a sisterly bond. There was nothing in the dialogue or actions that would make me conclude otherwise. And I can say that while additionally confessing that I do not harbor immoral thoughts about Fang or Vanille. Lightning's my girl in that scenario. *grins*

A bit off-topic, but do you seriously think that males wouldn't imagine themselves with both Vanille and Fang? Or that even if they *were* lesbians, do you honestly think that would stop them from fantasizing? You clearly do not understand the pure deviance of the mind of perverted males. :D Ryu Heishin (talk) 11:51, July 27, 2012 (UTC)Ryu Heishin

To be honest, I think it's left up to the player to decide. There's enough implied that you could assume they're lovers if you like, or assume they're sisters if you like. Vanille was made to be the big fanservice character of the game, so she's constantly flitting around with her skirt flying up, screaming in pleasure when Hecatoncheir does his final attack, and giggling in an extremely sexual manner throughout the entire game. Fang was originally designed as a man, and the two of them certanily embody stereotypes about "butch" and "lipstick" lesbians (considering this game has some pretty heavy stereotyping, lookin' at you, Sazh). I think that the only reason it's even IMPLIED that they are lesbians is purely from a marketing standpoint: the designers know that the guys playing this game want to see some half-naked girls getting close and hugging each other and lifting up each others skirts, even if it's only suggestion. Let's not forget the awkwardly romantic hug between Rikku and Yuna in Final Fantasy X.

Basically my point here is that if it IS implied that Fang and Vanille are lesbians, it's probably done so just to be fanservice or to try and get more interest in the game from the stereotypical straight male Final Fantasy players. Personally, I think it's blatantly obvious that they're a couple, Fang is way more protective over Vanille than a concerned friend would be. Even Lightning isn't as "sisterly" to Serah as Fang is to Vanille, it was clearly meant to be assumed that the two are lovers, but as the player of a game, you're left to draw your own conclusions, just like any other work of art, it's all about your perception. Also, I would like to point out about the arguments above that I think they're a couple and I'm a gay guy, so that whole image of the perverted straight guy fapping to the lesbians isn't always applicable.

At any rate, I think Vanille and Fang being lovers adds a lot to the story. They're practically the only likeable couple in the whole game, because Snow and Serah are pretty vomit-worthy. It's all up to the player to decide for themselves what they believe the relationship between these two is, and no one can tell you that you're wrong because there's no confirmation either way, so there's really no reason to argue, just enjoy the game and perceive it however you will. ~Schroeder

I've honestly never understood why people are so unwilling to see the blatantly obvious.

First off, Square has hardly ever confirmed any couple as being "legit". I mean, nobody's calling on them to make a statement about Cloud and Tifa being official, when Cloud and Tifa are patently obvious. {Yes, I remember the love triangle wars, and it was as obvious then as it is now. The fandom is nuts.} The other thing to bear in mind is that couples in Final Fantasy have ALWAYS been portayed more subtle and understated, compared to what we're used to with more "traditional" romances, where the audience is beaten over the head with how totally in love the two characters are. For instance, in the Japanese version of Final Fantasy X, Yuna doesn't say "I love you" to Tidus, she says "Thank you", and in the one game in the series where the theme was explicitly romantic love, Final Fantasy VIII, Squall and Rinoa take a VERY long time to get together, are never shown kissing, and never once use the L-word. But nobody doubts that they're a couple because, well, they're together in the game's logo. Funnily enough, Fang and Vanille are also together in their game's logo.

I think the big reason why people wonder about Fang and Vanille is the exact same reason why they wondered about Fran and Balthier. Most of the time in our fiction, we're used to actually seeing couples meet and fall in love. We're not as used to seeing couples that are already together, already completely comfortable with and relaxed around each other, each already knowing what the other is thinking. And that throws us a little, because we're trained to go looking for big romantic gestures and end up missing those smaller cues.

And the last thing to consider is that if Fang and Vanille were a heterosexual couple, NOBODY would doubt that they were a couple. What happens to them, what they go through, how they behave around each other, how they end up, it would be completely obvious that they're a romantic couple. If it helps, just replay their entire story in your head with one of them as a man and see if your little "They're more like siblings than anything else!" duck still flies. TheSwedishElf (talk) 14:12, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Try looking at the date of the last post before you try and open it up again. Nobody has discussed this since 2012. And this isn't the right place to talk about it anyway. Tia-Lewise 14:51, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Can someone tell me

Why Fang is probably the most badass character in the whole FF series? X

Shes totaly ruthless, speaks her mind, has a badass tattoo, cool hair, cool accent, a killer spear, she protects her friends, the Highwind, and Bahamut. Oh and she's a lady. ;) FFVIIACCXD 02:46, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Leona Lewis

Does ANYONE else notice that she looks and talks like Leona Lewis... a LOT??? 76.20.235.168 22:39, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

She...doesn't really at all?Keltainentoukokuu 22:47, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well, in MY opinion, she reminds me of her. I dunno why, but she does. It might be the amazing accents though... 76.20.235.168 18:58, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Interesting that you seem to be making a comparison between their accents. Fancy a British singer like Leona Lewis having an Australian accent. How did I not notice sooner? </sarcasm> -- 19:30, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

FYI, you (obviously) uneducated people, Australia was a British prison colony. And I never said the accents sounded alike, I said they were both amazing. And it's something in the sound of their voice, not the voice itself. So I was just trying to see if anyone felt the same way. Sorry if my opinions hurt your widdle feelings, but a 14 year old girl MIGHT think differently than you imbeciles. So you can shut up and stop ridiculing me for wanting to know what other people thought, got it? 76.20.235.168 21:30, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

FYI, I am perfectly aware of Australia's colony origins, and FYI it has little to no relevance in this issue. As for comparing their accents, saying that they talk similarly and then mentioning their accents does imply that they sound similar. Still, I will concede that this was a misunderstanding on my part. Nonetheless, I'm interested to know how there could be some similarity in "the sound of their voice[s]" if it's neither the voices themselves nor the accents. I'm not sure what other components of the voice remain if you remove both of those.

Also, you can shut up. No matter how you feel about our reaction to your remarks, you are way out of line in being so self-important, and you certainly have no justification for calling us imbeciles -- 22:52, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Early Development Fang

		Kaimi - Let's keep smiling! It really helps! TALK - 20:22, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
		So we all know that Fang in early development was male. Now, when the Final Fantasy XIII-2 appears it seem so called "villain" is Fang's early model. I am wondering, if all playable characters have their Eidolons of opposite gender, bar Hope, what could be male Fang's? Ark, maybe? Or something else. There is also that male's armor which bears resemblance to Fang's Bahamut from his "normal" mode which would only strengthen the theory that new character is Fang's early model. What is your opinion? Is there an article you think is of an exceptional quality? Vote for it here!

Fang´s hair

I have a question about English , dark brown hair has the same meaning that black hair? I ask this because Fang has black hair with red highlights, but brown? Where?

An interesting bit of Fang trivia

Has anyone else noticed that Fang is the only Pulse l'Cie whose l'Cie brand is on the right side of her body? Everyone else either has theirs located somewhere on the left side of their body - Lightning, Hope, Serah, Vanille, and Snow - or in the center of their body - Sahz Katzroy. And the only other l'Cie who also have their brands on the right side of their bodies are Dahj Katzroy and Cid Raines, two Cocoon l'Cie. TaliesinKyoshi 02:06, March 12, 2011 (UTC) Taliesin-Kyoshi

Edit: Apologies for the second posting, but I spotted another interesting trivia fact about Fang: she has the exact same Japanese voice actress - Mabuki Andou - as the character of Balsa in the anime series Seirei no Moribito: Guardian Of The Spirit. In that series, Balsa is a warrior/bodyguard who's originally from the land of Kanbal - by the time the series starts she has settled into the kingdom of Shin-Yogo - and who primarily uses a spear to fight. Although Balsa doesn't use any jumping attacks or Lancet-style moves, she's a fierce fighter and is often considered to be as good a fighter as any man is, if not superior. (Not unlike Fang.) TaliesinKyoshi 06:58, March 21, 2011 (UTC)TaliesinKyoshi

Curiously I was wondering...

Is Fang's full name ever spoken in the game? Mierna 14:33, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

It's not spoken, but it's the title of her datalog entry. - Henryacores^ 16:22, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Crystarium Crystal

As there is recently edit-warring about what shape does Fang's Crystarium crystal takes are actually two things: in XIII it was a fan-coined "term" as it is named after its possessor and it looks like a fang to the general audience, but in XIII-2 the crystal reappears as an adornment for monsters under the name of "Crystal Petal," if I'm not mistaken and this is a cause of the edit-warring. Now, it needed clarifying and I think I did it quite good.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 23:18, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think you are right, if it is called crystal petal in FFXIII-2.Keltainentoukokuu 02:15, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. There is no need for clarification because all the media and sources we have refers to it as a petal and there is no discrepancy in any other case. This is not as the case of Hecatoncheir where the developers originally said "It's a coincidence" (where in this case it might have been something like "It alludes to her name"), and in XIII-2 they clearly stated "It looks like it, period": what we're featuring here is conjecture and the subjectivity of the fandom.

Um, should someone mention her being one of the ones that says "Final Fantasy XIII-2: The story so far?" ZeypherMage 07:11, May 2, 2012 (UTC)