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"Crony Capitalism"[]

I came across this article and something irked me to the point of needing to create an account in order to discuss this. "Crony capitalism," to be perfectly honest, is a nonsensical and incredibly biased term to use here. Even with the fact that it is nothing more than a neoliberal euphemism for what is far more accurately described as late stage capitalism aside--a euphemism used primarily with the intent of obscuring criticism of capitalism as a philosophy and system by characterizing problems within it as impurities/corruptions as opposed to inherent attributes--the game and related media, to my knowledge, make no distinction between capitalism and crony capitalism. The game stars a collective of ecologically-minded radicals, after all, so why shouldn't that "crony capitalism" simply be "capitalism?" PosthumanWizard (talk) 20:44, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

Self Promo?[]

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Capital of Gaia?[]

Did I completely imagine this, or was the FFVII world named "Gaia"? Wouldn't that make Midgar the capital of Gaia? --Zephyrus11 20:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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Then it was probably Wikipedia that misinformed me. However, if this isn't true then we should remove it from the Gaia disambiguation page --Zephyrus11 20:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, strike that. Apparently there was already a debate about this on Talk:Gaia and it looks like it was never resolved. Not sure if I should remove it or not considering what some people there said. It sort of looks to me like something that was never in the original game, but something that they're calling it now. --Zephyrus11 20:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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How is written proof on an official game in the series not enough? It's called Gaia, stated and proved. I say we call it by Gaia. "The Planet" can refer to any planet; "Gaia", to only one. (in the FF7 universe, that is)  ILHI 20:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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Actually even "Gaia" isn't very specific. FFIX's world is also called "Gaia," along with other things. Anyway, my stance on this is that we don't need to change a whole lot (i.e. sticking "Gaia" all over the page) but we should at least acknowledge that it has been called that. If someone is looking for the FF7 world and types in "Gaia" they should be able to find it.--Zephyrus11 20:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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Edit Conflict x2

Hmm. Correct, we call our sun; "The Sun", and our moon; "The Moon" - If I am correct their true names are "Sol" and "Luna" respectively.


Yup. And I agree with the all too common use of "Gaia" too. But their universe has been titled Gaia, and it is the same universe also titled "The Planet". Meh, I'm not too interested either way.  ILHI 20:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC) I know this discussion is old but the Sun is only called Sol in Latin and Luna being Moon in Latin. By that logic, Earth would be Terra, not Earth. As for the name of "The Planet," you notice if you have sub-titles on after Azul wakes up, he attacks Shelke, telling her to "return to the Planet" (at least I think it did). Planet seems to be the spacific name in the game. And no, I didn't mean to rhyme.--Werefang 21:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

No "perpetual night" in Midgar[]

Midgar doesn't have a perpetual night. It might seem that way because it's mostly portrayed like that (and there is also a funny continuity error in FFVII that adds to that, with Diamond WEAPON attacking during dusk, while Midgar is seen during nighttime). But there is a couple of instances where we see it in daytime (e.g. Crisis Core, when you're in the slums. The clouds can be seen from underneath the plate and it's daytime. In chapter 4, when you're in the inner plate, reactor 5 and the clouded daytime sky are visible as well). Or the upcoming dawn in FFVII when you've just finished the motorcycle chase and you can see a clear sky with a couple of stars with the light on the horizon indicating the sun is about to rise. It's just like Junon which is always seen in the evening. It's not actually "stuck" with that, they just thought this adds to the atmosphere of it. 14:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

However, for most of the time when the player visists in VII, Midgar is in darkness. 1stclasswarrior 14:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but Cosmo Canyon also has "perpetual evening" as well as Junon. It's to make the city look darker. That's why we almost always see it at night. But the article made it sound as if that was the actual in-universe state of the city, being stuck in darkness because of the pollution (which wouldn't be too surprising but just isn't the case). 18:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually Cosmo Canyon is in night for at least one scene. Midgar is always night, even in Crisis Core. Its only after the city is destroyed that that part of the world can get some sunshine (Advent Children). --BlueHighwind 18:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It is night on the upper plate, but as I said, you can see daytime sky when in the slums and in the ending as well. It's only when the story actually takes place on the plate that it's night again. And Aerith and Zack talk about how the flowers might grow better or be "happier" on the plate. Well, without sunlight, that is not possible. We never get to see a daytime view of the upper plate sections, but there's plenty of instances when you can still see a daytime sky from Midgar, albeit cloudy. 22:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

They mention in the game that they thought it is impossible to grow flowers in Midgar. Aeris is able to pull it off because she's all Ancient-y and one with the Planet. Also her house is the one place in the entire town where its sunny (which is strange because its underneath the plate, but I guess a Cetra can anything she puts her mind to, even create a tiny Sun). --BlueHighwind 13:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

It isn't really strange, since the church is in the section between the plates. Sunlight is able to shine through there. By the way you can see a little bit of clouds and blue (!) sky in the original FFVII when you're in the screen just outside Midgar (where you enter sector 5) in the upper right corner. Oh, and also, a quote from Otwtas, Denzel's chapter:

""Shall we go outside?" she asked. Ruvie went out into the back garden through the kitchen door. Denzel wavered, but soon followed after her. He stepped across the thickly laid soil and stood next to Ruvie, who stood there looking up towards the sky. Denzel followed her gaze and saw a large black stain in the sky. So ominous, the way it contrasted with the [b]blue and white of the daytime sky[/b]. This must be why everything’s so gloomy and anxious." 19:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so it isn't perpetually night. But there is a definite trend to keep the city in darkness. --BlueHighwind 21:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Is that quote during Meteorfall. I wouldn't know, I haven't read it but it sound like it could be. I think the darkness is an ingame mechanism, used in the areas dominated by Shinra to convey an ominous feeling. Hypothetically, if someone were to actually live on the plate, it would probably feel like anywhere else. Plants would grow fine. That is, if there was Lifestream feeding the flowers. That is why only Aerith can grow flowers; she has control over the Lifestream. The sun had nothing to do with it. That is why Midgar, Junon, Fort Condor and even Mt. Nibel are all at the center of wastelands.--Werefang 21:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


--- 02:34, July 17, 2010 (UTC)- This midgar article states that construction of Midgar began in 1976? Where did you all get that from?

Teh ultimaniaz I believe. Could be wrong, but I think that's what people said. And it is usually where things come from. Of course, the world of VII uses a different timezone, and I don't know what 0 marks. Maybe Final Fantasy VII timeline says. 03:28, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sectors 2 and 3[]

Any information available on these sectors? Netherith 14:01, December 17, 2011 (UTC)


Do forgive me for being nitpicky, but could we move or remove "The city would never be completed before its destruction" blah blah blah, as it's in the intro paragraph and is a massive spoiler. You could go all Xion on me and say that everyone already knows, but I'm just throwing it out there.

Yes, I did just blank out that text. Come at me bro. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 19:58, July 3, 2012 (UTC)


Midgar Highway could probably have its own article? A minigame and a boss battle appear on it in FFVII and a boss battle occurs on it in Crisis Core. It also has artwork for it and a map like this.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 00:36, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Definitely. I think I was going to make one but never got around to it. JBed (talk) 02:14, February 23, 2013 (UTC)