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I'm more than likely going to have someone back me up on this, since I have NO idea how many versions are out now, and how different each one is from one another. I'm going to go ahead and get some of this started right now, though I'll probably be using the GBA names right now, and then work my way back to PS and NES. ^^;; Xenomic 21:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Let me spare you the trouble: We already have articles pertaining to [[White Magic (Final Fantasy)|White Magic]] and [[Black Magic (Final Fantasy)|Black Magic]] in the original Final Fantasy. Jeppo (Talk) 21:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
We cover four versions (five if you include Japanese, and then we add romaji as well; however that's irrelevant for this page) - NES, PS, GBA and PSP should all be in the table. Alphabetical by PSP, but the PSP column should still be farthest right as far as names are concerned.  ILHI
I suppose this page makes those pages redundant, doesn't it? I say move it all here. Why do we need two pages for what a single one can cover - and does cover for every other game. (Except for Ivalice, but that's only because Bluerfn desperately needed a reason to justify the Magick article's existence.) --BlueHighwind 21:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Jeppo (Talk) 21:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Agreed.  ILHI 21:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

What reason do you have to merge those pages? White Magic and Black Magic are completely different skillsets. We're not merging Armor lists with Weapon lists, are we? Each thing should be on its own place. - Henryacores^ 21:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Reason I made this was because we already had lists like these for other games so I figured might as well do it for this one. I guess the same could be said for those then right? ^^;; Xenomic 21:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Because Black Magic and White Magic both have the same suffix. They have the same statistics and therefore can be put in the same table (though the tables will be seperate, obviously). Furthermore: [[List of Final Fantasy X-2 Spells|It's]] being [[List of Final Fantasy IX Spells|done]] [[List of Final Fantasy IV Spells|everywhere]]. (BTW, those links are completely random, I haven't checked what they look liked)  ILHI 21:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Why to merge and not to split then? I understand the case of Magic (Final Fantasy VI command), since the only distinction there is between the spells is a dot of a different color. Also, see that Blue Bullet has a different page. Why doesn't Arcana? Merging shouldn't be the consistency. - Henryacores^ 21:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I suppose that's because Blue Magic is very different to other forms of magic in that you learn them in an unusual way, and that you have to accommodate a separate column for the enemy you learn it from. For other forms of magic, be it White, Black, Red, Time etc. they are all learned and cast in a similar way. At least that is how I view it. Jeppo (Talk) 21:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Not an argument, since seemingly they have the same suffix. - Henryacores^ 21:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, I don't know then. Jeppo (Talk) 21:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Please brighten up something for me. How does a list like this cover a game's Black\White\Pink Magic better than a sole page? Isn't a small, focused article better than one with various subjects? Look at Wikipedia's lists of "Final Fantasy # Characters": Do they have any detail? By splitting these articles, we could, as well, add images. Of course we can do it on a full list, but that would also cramp it, making big fields in tables and turning these unreadable. - Henryacores^ 22:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
We could also add the images for each spell to each spell page theirselves though. One page for them should suffice since there's not THAT much info to be said on them. What's on these pages are pretty much all you need for them. Why have a separate article for these when there's not that much to be said on them? They're not like characters that has a crapload of info on them. Blue Magic needs it own page though since there's a lot more info that goes into those than these spells, since as already stated, there's a need for that extra column of info for enemies to learn them from, and that just would clutter this page up a bit more methinks.

But, to each their own really. It could go either way, but I say one page for these, since it'd be easier for someone looking for info on magic to go to one page instead of going through multiple pages. Sure, it's one extra page, but it'd be easier to just find the info on one than go to others. What if someone wanted to see all of the Black, White, and Time Magic? Would it be better to go through one page at a time to look at them all, or just be able to see them all on one page? And like I said with images, they could be put on their respective spell pages anyways. Xenomic 22:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The best option is actually to have both, but if we have to opt for one, a single, specified chart is the best. Also, we do have disambigs for something. Why not something for spells? - Henryacores^ 22:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


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Page should be moved to "Magic (Final Fantasy)" because that's the name of the skillset. Also, Black Magic (Final Fantasy) and White Magic (Final Fantasy) should be deleted-- neither of the two are skillsets in FFI- information is covered here. 80.42.254.52 16:12, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

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