Talk: Locke Cole

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		Carigrules14 TALK - {{{????}}}
		{{{hehe this guy is good}}}

		Pablo618 - I am the Iron man Proto-babil!! TALK - Time for Dark Matter {{{time}}}
		the first time I visited this wiki, locke's articles was the featured article :), good times, good times...

This character has attracted the undying despise of Oath and it deserves to be pwned. Also, anybody who thinks Locke is relevant needs to be pwned.

		Born from Darkness Talk · Contribs 03:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
		I dun deserve to be pwnt. >:O

		Dazuro - Professor to Kitchen: The Joan Rivers Story TALK - {{{time}}}
		So, upon your first visit to the Returner hideout in "FF3", Locke tells Terra that someone important to him had been jailed by the empire. Was that a Woolsey-ism for Rachel's death that was fixed later on, or did I just miss some other event in his backstory that also isn't in the wiki?

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		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 13:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
		Never heard of Phoenix Cave or Rachel?

		Dazuro - Professor to Kitchen: The Joan Rivers Story TALK - {{{time}}}
		... Um, I even mentioned Rachel's death in my original post. You seem to have completely misunderstood my question. Anyone else care to shed some light on this?

Requesting explanation for removal of factual information

I have a question for the administrators.

Why was my piece about two of Locke's special weapons removed? It explained what that the Hawk Eye and Sniper were both *Gunstock War Clubs* used in the America's by various Native American Tribes. I really have a problem with that part being removed. They were truly unique weapons. No where else in Final Fantasy has that particular weapon ever made an appearance.

I think many readers would value this particular information. Especially if they intended to cosplay as Locke with the *Gunstock War Club*, since it is one of HIS SIGNATURE WEAPONS. ——Preceding unsigned comment was added by 97.117.111.203 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

I'm not Staff, but I do know how they function. They probably removed it because there is no actually proof that the weapons are based on those particular Native American weapons. If you want the stuff listed, bring in some sort of well referenced proof. Exdeath64 00:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Awfully ignorant of you two, to assume it was a staff member that removes this information. As for this information, I honestly cannot recall it ever being on the page. A view of the revision on which it was added would be appreciated. Drake Clawfang 01:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 02:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
		First, please sign your posts with four tildes(~~~~), Mr. Anonymous. I have checked your contributions and your only addition to this wiki was the comment on this page. This means your were under another ip address when you supposedly added this info, info which I also cannot find in the history page of Locke's article, unless you want me to go back a year in the history and look up every single ip edit. Please point out your specific edit and maybe we can work this out.

Ah, sorry about that, I assumed he had checked the edit history and was going off of that, admittedly I myself did not check. Exdeath64 07:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The most unique weapon in all FF is a gunstock war club. Most FF weapons have appeared multiple times. It shows up nowhere else and only Locke can use it. (unless merit award is used) I'm going to try to post an image and let people google "Gunstock Warclub" or even goto Cold Steel's website for an example to compare the image to. It doesn't even matter if it's fact. Most of the crap on this Wiki is interpretation and not directly from Square Enix anyways. They simply are the only REAL authority on FF. Wiki hasn't enough credibility yet.

I'll just remake the piece ——Preceding unsigned comment was added by 97.117.111.203 (talk • contribs) 05:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

I'd still like to know where on the article's history this information was originally added. Taking the time to find the revision may also give you a chance to dispense with the attitude. Drake Clawfang 06:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could just create a Trivia section stating that "the Gunstock War Club has a cameo as one of Locke's weapons" instead of creating a specific section for itself. --Silver Mage 07:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Saethori (T / C) — 07:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC) Believe in the future, and persist in the present, that's what I'll do! I undid yet another attempt to add this weapon and related information to the article. There is no evidence that this weapon has ever existed in any Final Fantasy game. HerrQuixota, please present hard evidence before adding anything more on this.

I cite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_%28weapon%29 I put up images for people to see exactly what Locke was really using. I think the weapon is the most unique weapon in all of ffdom. Can you think of any other weapon that is as unique? I guess it really is opinion, but if there isn't any other weapon that has made as few appearances in the game, I'd hope this claim would go undisputed. Don't think I want a confrontation. I just want the facts to be known.

Is there a specific format I absolutely must use? I do think that if this weapon is the most unique, that it deserves it's own little section on Locke's wiki.

I would appreciate the consideration.

PS: This particular topic is the only thing I have tried to contribute to ff wiki. Although I don't remember if I tried to add information about a rumor I've heard pertaining to Shadow being Locke's brother...but there really isn't anything I can cite.

and my screen name is Herr Quixota

How do I make it show up?

Saethori, I put up two images with my edit.

One had Locke striking with a Gunstock War Club. I had another picture and a link of the weapon being exhibited on www.ColdSteel.com

Unless the image with locke holding in his hand was removed before you could see, I can't think of any reasonable explanation for why my edit was removed.

(although I am humble and submissive, and will follow w/e criteria you have by the letter) ——Preceding unsigned comment was added by HerrQuixote (talk • contribs) 07:49, 9 August 2009 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

Then just add a trivia section, containing a brief description of "that" --Silver Mage 08:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Saethori (T / C) — 08:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC) Believe in the future, and persist in the present, that's what I'll do! Please, sign your posts with four tildes. (~~~~) And the image provided is not sufficient hard evidence; it bears marks reminiscent of PhotoShopping and does not prove the item actually exists in the game. While I do not necessarily disbelieve you, I must look at the facts; especially the one that, if this weapon truly exists in Final Fantasy VI, than it is so well hidden that not only has noone ever found it before now, but it even has avoided detection by reverse-engineering. Please provide an image of it in one's inventory; especially in such a way as its stats can be immediately determined, for sufficient backup evidence. (And even if it DOES exist as you state, then it does not belong on this page, but rather on List of Final Fantasy VI Weapons with the provided statistics. No matter how unique it is.)

Ok. Here is a no brainer and it is accessible to anyone who owns FF-VI.

5 steps 1. Pop in the FF-VI cartridge into your Super Nintendo or load it in your SNES Emulator. 2. Start the game and have Locke in your party. 3. Equip Locke with Hawk Eye or Sniper. 4. Once you enter battle, command him to attack 5. Pause, right as he is striking or throwing the Hawk Eye or Sniper.

I did photoshop the image. But I only removed the bottom portion and some around the edges. The integrity of the image is solid. It's straight from the emulator.(I own the original American cartridge, so it's legal)

Please confirm it yourself. ——Preceding unsigned comment was added by 97.117.111.203 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

Saethori (T / C) — 10:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC) Believe in the future, and persist in the present, that's what I'll do! So your rationale is not that Locke has a "War Club" weapon, but rather that one of his existing weapons bears a strong resemblance to one. You certainly took a rather round-about way of explaining it... In which case, as previously mentioned, the correct course would be to add a humble Trivia entry, stating that some of Locke's throwing weapons strongly resemble this weapon. No images, no new sections. And, please, sign your posts. And stay logged in so we don't get this "switching" between your 97.117.111.203 and HerrQuixote identities.

HerrQuixota 10:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

2 things

• 1st*

May I at least note that the weapon bears strong resemblance to the gunstock war club and no other weapon in existance?

• 2nd*

Can I fix idiotic mistakes on Locke's page? Cuz the first one I want to change, is how all of Locke's specials are call boomerangs. Even in the game, they were called "Special". All of Locke's exclusive weapons were called "Specials" in at least the American version.

HerrQuixota 11:21, 9 August 2009 (UTC) I find it odd that the weapons are called Hawk Eye and Sniper. They sound like something to do with guns. And did you know that the word *Locke* in Old Engrish means Forest? http://www.babynology.com/otherorigins-locke-m20.html When you think of Native Americans, don't you think of the woods, forests, things in nature? Oh, here's another one! The weapon bears strong resemblance to a gunstock war club!

Maybe this is also evidence?

This is basically what my evidence is. Anything else would probably be directly from Square. (which I intend to obtain, since I do believe they are the only one's with real authority on FF-VI)

Saethori (T / C) — 11:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC) Believe in the future, and persist in the present, that's what I'll do! Noting its resemblence is sufficient. There is no need to state "no other weapon in existence". You may fix any other issues on the page that you see, such as typos... but please note that the List of Final Fantasy VI Weapons lists the category with the weapons you mention as "Boomerangs and Clubs"; so please keep it as Boomerangs (for Locke) or Clubs (for Umaro) for consistency purposes. Even if not all weapons are literal boomerangs, they function as such in combat, in regards to being long-range and returning to the user.

HerrQuixota 12:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

So, does this mean it's ok for me to hyperlink Hawk Eye and Sniper to a page providing the information anyone can see I really want to be published on ff wiki?

Are you saying I can not edit Boomerang to Special on Locke's page? Cuz I really think it should be either *Boomerang and Clubs* or just *Specials*. Cuz I don't really agree with you on the Clubs functioning like boomerangs, and the "Boomerang and Clubs" for Locke's equipment on this page would be a good compromise. Technically, Locke uses both Boomerangs and Clubs, so there would still be consistency if I simply added "and Clubs" to his available weapons.

Umaro's bone club is the only weapon he can use....he can't even disarm it. It's basically pointless to list his weapons...since no one can use it but Umaro, and he already has one equipped. But I don't really see any point in removing that from the List of Final Fantasy VI weapons, so I have no plans on doing anything but hyperlinking *Hawk Eye and *Sniper and making an entirely new page.

I really don't see the point in consistency if the information isn't accurate or worth anything in the first place. So if you think it shouldn't be changed, I suggest a compromise, but I will leave the choice in your hands and not be a pest.

"I'll Rip Your Lungs Out": Possible Pop-Culture Reference?

		Faythoffenrir - Damn you, TV Tropes! TALK - 23:27, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
		I was listing to music today and I came across the song "Werewolves of London" by Warren Zevon. One of the lines in this song contains the phrase "He'll rip your lungs out!". This song was written in the 1970's. Could Locke's infamous line be a reference to this song? Link to song.

		Werefang - "I'm not talking about a bad day here... The things I saw [in Hell], there aren't words." TALK - 14:30, May 22, 2010 (UTC)- Abyss
		I don't think so. The expression seems to be fairly common. Although, to be fair, Dean Winchester of Supernatural (the only other occasion that I heard said phrase) may be a Warren Zevon fan, though there is no way of knowing (and Zevon seem a bit removed from his prefered genres of music).

		Faythoffenrir - Damn you, TV Tropes! TALK - 21:40, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
		Huh. I never thought that it was that common of a threat. But maybe a Supernatural writer is a Zevon fan.

Locke Cole

		Blue Ivory - A Better Human. TALK - 23:52, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
		Has it already been noted, or is it noteworthy that Locke is like Cole flipped and vice versa? Locke <--> Cole. Blue Ivory

"SD Artwork"?

I have a question related to more than just Locke, but all of the Final Fantasy VI characters have those neat renders labeled "SD artwork," and I can't figure out what in the world that is or where it comes from.

Where in the world is this from?

It looks a lot like DS artwork from the remake of Final Fantasy III, but Final Fantasy VI hasn't received a remake on any of the modern consoles. This may just be artwork that was used for Final Fantasy VI Advance's manual or something, but I can't seem to figure out where it's from and Google searching for Final Fantasy VI SD Artwork isn't helping me at all. Could someone please explain this to me? 96.38.53.103 02:06, September 12, 2012 (UTC)Schroeder

It means "Super Deformed". --Shockstorm (talk) 02:12, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

All the SD character art from FFIV-VI were drawn by Kazuko Shibuya, a major character and sprite artist for the FF series, especially the early days. These were drawn by her for the original FFVI release. Espritduo (talk) 02:19, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for clearing that up for me. Incidentally, it is interesting that they resemble the FF remake sprites so much, maybe when they finally get around to remaking FFVI for PSVita or DS, they'll use models similar to these. 96.38.53.103 03:57, September 12, 2012 (UTC)Schroeder

hello, everyone. i, a humble girl, have been wondering, as of a few minutes ago, whether locke is wearing tights or leggings. i am of the belief that is he wearing leggings, but i know some people who say otherwise. a quick google search of, respectively, "tights" and "leggings," should show that tights would be slightly see-through. however, leggings would not. as locke's legs are not a) slightly see-through or b) showing his crotch (which would be highly indecent), i truly believe in my heart that locke is wearing leggings. i think we can all agree that locke is not wearing pants, because they are too tight and show no wrinkles (unless we consider one yoshitaka amano artwork, and going with the majority of his artworks, i think we should not). this is a topic both highly influential in the world today, and one that is very special to me personally. if we can, together, discover an answer to this conundrum, the world as we know it will be a better place. thank you for your time.

Pretty sure he's just wearing trousers. Amano tends to draw characters with form-fitting clothing, even armour. Also how is a fictional character's clothing a highly influential topic? Myself 123 22:48, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

"Potential guest appearance in Kingdom Hearts III"

If Locke is going to appear in Kingdom Hearts 3, or any future KH game, his voice actor should be: EN: Vic Mignogna (Full Metal Alchemist) JP: Ryuji Sainei, (DekaRanger)

Locke Cole

--GokaiWhite (talk) 03:36, September 20, 2016 (UTC)