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Start of Article[edit source]

Ive started the article, however im not too sure if there are summons before Final Fantasy VII. Also i do not know the summons for the headings without summons in them. Please add at own will. Selo 20:24, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

yes, i'm pretty sure 3 was the first game with summons...and 4, 5, and 6 all have them as well. --22:25, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

All done. Crazyswordsman 08:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Revenant Wing Summons[edit source]

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Chocobo Tales summons[edit source]

I seem to remember the Chocobo Tales cards being called summons, or that the cards "summon monsters to fight for you". Would we be able to add that list to the page?KrytenKoro 03:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Question[edit source]

Few years back, my brother told me there was an FF where if you use a summon a certain amount of times, the animation will change. This could not have been FFVIII, and it never occurred in FFVII, so I guessed it was FFIX. After watching a video on youtube, I watched a Quadra Magic Bahamut ZERO clip where it skipped it (think it was an Emerald Weapon battle). Now, do you have to use them a certain amount of time? And is it the same for them all? Or is it different and does it say anywhere?  ILHI 13:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

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Name[edit source]

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Summons, Summoner, Summoning. I always search "Summons" when looking for this article because I didn't remember the actual page title.  ILHI 21:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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TBH, use lists in other other format (little tables, I've seen them in other articles) and keep them only on the game's summon page. Remove the lists here and then briefly explain the role of summons in the games in the sections. There's no need for the lists on this page.  ILHI 21:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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Missing Scion[edit source]

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FFXIII[edit source]

I don't think we should mention Ifrit, Ramuh?, Siren, Carbuncle and Ragnarok as summons, cause, although they appear in the game they are not summoned (in a traditional way). For the first three they can be people dressed as monsters, for Carbuncle he can be just an holograph projected by the disk, and Ragnarok even being a Eidolon, is more like a form that some l'Cie can take than a summon.Plus they aren't controlled by the player. We don't metion Griever as a summon even though he is a GF.187.57.66.195 20:17. January 03, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind about the first 4, it has been changed but I still think metioning Ragnarok is not right. 187.57.66.195 20:18. January 03, 2010 (UTC)


Chocobo[edit source]

Is it me, or would it be reasonable to migrate stuff over to a "Chocobo (Summon)" page? Bluestarultor 02:40, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

We did have a Chocobo summon page, but then everyone decided to move everything to the other page....dunno why tbh.... Xenomic 02:56, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
Funky. Okay, whatevs. Bluestarultor 02:59, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


Attack Name Font Conventions[edit source]

There's really no good place to put this, but I'm trying to get some semblance of a standard going, so before I do any more damage, is there already a standard for how summon spell names are supposed to be displayed? So far, I've seen them bolded, italicized, and left normal. I've looked a bit for a page on such things, but the Manual of Style has no mention of it, nor does Editing. Bluestarultor 19:37, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Spell names, including summons, are to be left normal. Bold is only for the subject matter on first mention. Italics is for the romaji. BLUER一番 19:41, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you. I'll go fix that, then. Bluestarultor 19:43, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
Bold is only for the subject matter on first mention, meaning the article subject matter, actually. BLUER一番 20:03, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, so before I do any more damage, I see you unbolded something in Carbuncle, which I assume is the attack name. Does the name having an article link negate that? I really, REALLY want to be helping instead of making a mess. >.<; Bluestarultor 20:07, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
I really have trouble making people understand. You see, bold is only for the article's subject first mention in the content. Since the article is about Carbuncle, and not his attack Ruby Light, the word Carbuncle is the only one bold. BLUER一番 20:12, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I get it now. Sorry, I was just confused by some of the less-used summons having the names of their attacks bolded in their articles. I'm not going to pretend I fully understand why those are like that, but as a shot in the dark, is it because those abilities don't have their own pages? Or are they not supposed to be that way? Bluestarultor 20:19, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
There wasn't any observed style convention back when their articles were written, that's all. BLUER一番 20:23, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
...I think I'm just going to leave well enough alone. I've made enough of a mess for one day. XD
Thanks, though. Bluestarultor 20:30, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Mindlayer - The Troubling Missing Page[edit source]

There are two link titled "Mindflayer (Summon)". I thought it would be good if it had its summon page, but it seems it was here some time ago, but was deleted. My question is: to make or not to make summon page for Mindflayer?—Kaimi 18:40, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Information from the summon article were intergrated into an article simply called "Mindflayer" as the summon and enemy were based upon the same idea. Links were not fixed. 88.108.90.15 18:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Summon article structure[edit source]

We have articles for Eidolon and Esper. These are both parent articles, despite the only thing linking each appearance of them being their name. IV's Eidolons have about as much to do with IX's Eidolons as they do to FFVI's Espers. Since both systems, regardless of name, work the same, they should share an article. That's what we do. It's why Cura and Cure 2 are on the same article, and Reraise and Auto-Life.

BASICALLY, what I'm suggesting is we move this article to "Summon". "Esper" and "Eidolon" will become redirects to here. Current sections on Esper and Eidolon will be moved onto here. Games where the summon system is called "Summons" get a similar written section. The article should focus more about storyline and mechanics of the summon appearances. 79.69.192.185 18:15, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

This article is supposed to be a plain list of summons that appear in the series, without looking into their background. Eidolon and Esper do so, and as so, should be kept, because, honestly, a lot of games give little to no background to their summons and names them as simple Summoned Creatures or Summons.
In a more technical view, this is exactly the same as a list of abilities used in Summon (command). Thus, this should not cover plot.
In short, this must not be in anyway compared with Cura or Raise, but yes with Black Magic or a global "List of Black Magic" spells, if it such ever existed. Because hierarchically, Cura and Raise are on the same level as Ifrit or Hellfire and Shiva or Diamond Dust (It depends on what you consider to be the ability: in my case, I believe the Summon represents the ability, but this is not what we're discussing). - Henryacores^ 21:39, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
??? Wut? We have no single parent article about the role of summons in the FF series. We have two which parent only a small amount. Content of Esper and Eidolon should be merged and expanded on a generic Summon article that covers the role of summons of all games in the series. Be it this article or another.
Also, a list of summons could just go on the Summon (command) article anyway for the most part. Since the summons are the skills in the Summon skillset. But that's not what I'm asking right here. 79.69.203.80 18:06, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Final Fantasy V Summons' Name[edit source]

I am a little confused by Summons' name in Final Fantasy V: in the PSone release they are called Espers, right? (Time: 3:05) However, Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy calls them Eidolons (When the party returns to the hideout, using Krile as an interpreter, she conveys her resolve to protect Faris and becomes an Eidolon, continuing on her travels with the party till the end.—D012FF Entry on Syldra, taken from "Museum (Dissidia 012)" from the FFWiki). My question: what they should be referred to? I know it might not change the section's name in main article, but at least for my information.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 21:36, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

The most recent release of FF5 (the GBA version), iirc, doesn't call them anything, referring to them only as summons, hence why the page only calls them summons. --Adonzo 22:40, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
They have no name in the GBA release. I think the Youtube video probably uses footage from the unofficial translation from the time no English version existed.Keltainentoukokuu 23:14, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Type-0 Summons[edit source]

Someone has uploaded all current God of War renders(Odin, Ifrit, Shiva and Golem) on the Wiki, they should be used on their respective pages.

Recurring summons[edit source]

How about a table summarizing recurring summons and where they appear, as the one below here? --Abacos (talk) 18:13, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Summon FF3 FF4 FF5 FF6 FF7 FF8 FF9 FF10 FF11 FF12 FF13 FF14
Chocobo YES YES YES - YES
Shiva YES YES YES YES YES
Ramuh YES YES YES YES YES
Ifrit YES YES YES YES YES
Titan YES YES YES - YES
Odin YES YES YES YES YES
Leviathan YES YES YES YES YES
Bahamut YES YES YES YES YES x3
Sylph - YES YES - -
Catoblepas - - YES YES -
Golem - - YES YES -
Carbuncle - - YES YES -
Phoenix - - YES YES YES
Alexander - - - YES YES
Non-recurring summons (yet):
Wyvern (FF2) - - - - -
Dragon - YES - - -
Goblin - YES - - -
Bomb - YES - - -
Cockatrice - YES - - -
Mindflayer - YES - - -
Asura - YES - - -
Whyt - YES - - -
Remora - - YES - -
Syldra - - YES - -
Kirin - - - YES -
Siren - - - YES -
Cait Sith - - - YES -
Unicorn - - - YES -
Maduin - - - YES -
Phantom - - - YES -
Bismarck - - - YES -
Zona Seeker - - - YES -
Seraph - - - YES -
Quetzalli - - - YES -
Fenrir - - - YES -
Valigarmanda - - - YES -
Midgardsormr - - - YES -
Lakhsmi - - - YES -
Ragnarok - - - YES -
Crusader - - - YES -
Raiden - - - YES -
Gilgamesh - - - YES -
Cactuar - - - YES -
Diabolos - - - YES -
Hades - - - - YES
Kujata - - - - YES
Typhoon - - - - YES
Knights of Round - - - - YES

--Abacos (talk) 18:13, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

No, because it would be to tall due to very large amount of summons and lots of games with summoning.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 20:31, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
And how about keeping only the top part, with the recurring summons, and remove the "one-shot" summons? That would make the table far smaller. --Abacos (talk) 12:55, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
Summon FF3 FF4 FF5 FF6 FF7 FF8 FF9 FF10 FF11 FF12 FF13 FF14
Chocobo YES YES YES - YES - - - - - - -
Shiva YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES - YES -
Ramuh YES YES YES YES YES - YES - YES - - -
Ifrit YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES - - YES
Titan YES YES YES - YES - YES - YES - - YES
Odin YES YES YES YES YES YES YES - YES - YES -
Leviathan YES YES YES YES YES YES YES - YES - - YES
Bahamut YES YES YES YES YES x3 YES YES YES YES - YES -
Sylph - YES YES - - - - - - - - -
Catoblepas - - YES YES - - - - - - - -
Golem - - YES YES - - - - - - - -
Carbuncle - - YES YES - YES YES - YES - - -
Phoenix - - YES YES YES YES YES - YES - - -
Alexander - - - YES YES YES - - YES - YES -
Quetzalli - - - YES - YES - - - - - -
Gilgamesh - - - YES - YES - - - - - -
Cactuar - - - YES - YES - - - - - -
Diabolos - - - YES - YES - - YES - - -
Maduin - - - YES - - YES - - - - -
Fenrir - - - YES - - YES - YES - - -
Midgardsormr - - - YES - - - - - - - YES
Garuda - - - - - - - - YES - - YES

--Abacos (talk) 13:26, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

We would need to list every game where summoning appears in some form (including FFII and its Wyvern). If you really want it, you can make such table in your userspace.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 13:34, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'd rather say the opposite: in a table showing recurring summons, we should only include games where some recurring summon appears. I'd exclude FF2 and FF12, as they have no recurring summons and their columns would be empty. --Abacos (talk) 18:17, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
By the way, where can I find my userspace? --Abacos (talk) 18:17, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
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