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We have a category for this kind of stuff -_- --Auron Kaizer 22:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Ahh i just though adding a list in, along with some short descriptions, maybe to add an overview of all the final fantasy final bosess (say that five times fast) would be nicer. -RedFalcon
- I dunno. Guess we'll have to ask someone with authority. By the way, the FF3 Final Boss is the Cloud of Darkness. --Auron Kaizer 23:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks was wondering about that. -Redfalcon
Hmm.. considering Revenant Wings' boss is already there, you might want to consider putting in the final boss for Crisis Core, i.e Genesis. (the unlimited number of soldiers is story driven)
Also, for FFXI: Treasure of Aht Urhgan, the final boss should be listed as Alexander. Although you need to defeat Raubahn x3 -> Razfahd -> Alexander to win the BC, ultimately, Alexander is the one you need to kill. - Spira (:p)
the final boss to RW wouldn't be that, that's more like a symbolic battle. the real final boss is Feolthanos exultant
Final Fantasy Legend & Yu Yevon[edit source]
Shouldn't the FFL games not be included, since they're actually SaGa games? Also why is Yu Yevon considered the final boss? I mean I know you fight him last but it's a fight you can lose and really more of a symbolic fight. Wouldn't this be like considering the Sephiroth you fight alone with Cloud the final boss instead of the One Winged Angel Sephiroth since you fight him last?
- Well, that fight's pretty much a cutscene, but you actually do fight Yu Yevon, so, yeah, put him back. Rodtheanimegod4ever 02:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
The fight with Yu Yevon I believe counts the same as a cutscene and in my opinion doesn't count as a sort of boss since you can't die during the fight. Anyways I didn't make the change, somebody else did.
I think BFA should be there too, in the battle against Sephiroth, all you gotta do is press 2 buttons and its done. In this fight, cast Reflect on Yu Yevon and you pretty much already won, since you cant die and after every attack you get a 9999 heal.
There's no consistency as to why Sephiroth is not up there and Yu Yevon is. You can't lose to Yu Yevon without using exploits. Either give the reader the option of deciding whether it is BFA or Yu Yevon or clearly define something, like a final boss requiring a lose condition, because as it is now the list is very arbitrary.
FFVII Final Boss[edit source]
I myself would consider Sephiroth the final boss of the game; the boss with 0 HP. There doesn't seem to be a mention of him, I can't even find one on his page. So does this battle merit its own page and mentioning on this one? ILHI 15:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
That battle is merely for story purposes and doesn't count as a real battle.
Then why count Yu Yevon? You can't lose in those battles either, I guess that's purely cinematic too. I say Braska's Final Aeon is the Final Boss of FFX. You can't pick and choose on this thing.
Yeah, I really think Braska's Final Aeon should be considered the final boss. If you're gonna count cinematic fights as the final boss, then you'd have to put the Sephiroth mentioned above with the 0 HP as the real last boss for FFVII.
Probably, it is very list like. This article got its name because other articles write:
Such and such is the Final Boss of Final Fantasy Blah...So the name just stuck.
IMO, yes, "Final Boss" doesn't make sense when talking about the whole series. ILHI 17:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Then we can move it to a List? And Final Boss maintained as a redirect >;3 Saves a lot of effort.
This page appears to just list the final battle; and in some cases the penultimate battle and the next final scripted battle. Most of the games, at least the more recent ones, have a string of battles at the end of the game. Would it not be best to include all elements of the final battle? ILHI 14:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
List of Final Bosses, not Final Battles.
I am aware. But "Bosses" is plural, and even if it is plural for a different meaning (plural because of multiple games) it still works. -- However, that is not my point. The final string of bosses of a game is far more important than just that final boss. Final Ultimecia is all good and stuff, but the three bosses preceding do actually have some importance. Jenova Synthesis and Bizarro Sephiroth too; I believe it would be best to mention.
We could make a Final Battles page but I don't believe a Final Battles page and a Final Bosses page should co-exist.
Of course, I'm allowed to have ideas on what would be better for the wiki. ILHI 15:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
"Of course, I'm allowed to have ideas..."
Nobody had said no.
I like that idea. Then there's more room for talk of the plot around those bosses. Yes? ILHI 15:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There is leg room for the individual sections there, but then again each sections already have their "Main" link.
Battle Themes[edit source]
Some of the best music of the series is that of the Final Boss' theme, am I right? Key of Destiny 02:32, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Crisis Core Boss[edit source]
SilverCrono — 7:38, January 3, 2010
"A day without sunshine is like, you know, night."
Should Minerva be counted as the Final Boss for Crisis Core? I mean, you can only beat her if you complete all 300 missions, and I believe you must be at the save point right before the final Genesis fight to get the last mission. Sure, I know Minerva isn't technically the final boss and all, but should she actually at least be mentioned? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Just wanna say...[edit source]
That I LOVE the titles that people have given to the final bosses. Particularly "Chaos, Walker of Life's Wheel." What more can I say? 09:18, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Zeromus's Picture[edit source]
We should use the original one of him from the Super Nintendo, not the CGI render.Wikiguy 23:45, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
- Why? Doreiku Kuroofangu 00:07, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- While I don't think it really matters, the sprite does look better imo. Quality sprites > shoddy polygons. However, using the most recent render seems to be the trend of this page and I have no problem leaving it as is. --Adonzo 00:57, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
Abyssea question[edit source]
Does Visions of Abyssea have anything resembling an end boss? I don't have it, so I wouldn't know. If so, what is it? Flame Deity 21:50, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
Raffaello, priest of darkness[edit source]
I know FFCD is far, far, from the main series and many wouldn't care even. But still, the chocobo dungeon entry is false, you don't battle The Destroyer you fight against Raffaello, priest of darkness (I also like the titles in the page, but this one IS canon). It'll be like giving Jecht and Sephiroth spot to Yevon and Jenova (I've very little knowledge of FFVII, but as far as I can't tell thats accurate). So here's the reason for the change. No objections I presume.--Kelcius 00:06, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
Yu Yevon vs BFA[edit source]
- That's a no brainer. What is considered the final boss of IX? Pretty sure it's Trance Kuja. Tia-Lewise 23:32, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
- list of final bosses might make more sense to list all members of the final boss gauntlet. I mean, being the final final boss isn't that special, and we remove a lot of arguments. JBed (talk) 23:39, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed. All the fights in the finale tend to be important in some way. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:41, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
- Necron is the final boss of FFIX, Tia. And Yu Yevon is the final boss of FFX, Drake. Yevon still has a background story, non-regular enemy appearance and an unique ability (can possess aeons), although he isn't dangerous like a regular final FF boss.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:42, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with JBed. It's too subjective in situations like this to pick one over the other. Just describe the entire final gauntlet and let the reader decide what they feel is the "true" final boss. BFA is the last "real" fight of the game, and Yu Yevon is a story-driven fight you can't actually lose (mostly), but it is still difficult enough to count as a battle, unlike 0 HP Sephiroth in FFVII. And really, isn't BFA actually like an extension of Yu Yevon anyways, since the final aeons are possessed by him upon becoming Sin and are basically treated, story-wise, as his "unholy armor"? But yeah, just list 'em all and let the reader sort it out. Espritduo (talk) 00:38, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
- it really depends on which definition of final boss you want to use. i'd say go with BFA and mention the gauntlet, because if we want to say Yu Yevon is it (because its the final battle overall), we face problems with exceptions like topless Sephiroth from FF7 and Zack's final stand in Crisis Core. All of them essentially have one common element, which is that they're scripted battles. ie. battle is scripted to have a singular outcome (can't lose in 7, 10 (blabla self-capacitation is not normal gameplay) / can't win in crisis core). edit: in other words, imo for any title which has scripted final bosses, the one we pick should be the last one that is not scripted (which is what is already being used for FF7/Crisis Core anyway) --Arciele Spira (talk) 15:52, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
184.108.40.206 08:57, November 18, 2015 (UTC) Braska's Final Aeon needs to be listed because google is caching FFX Final Boss as Yu Yevon, which is quite frankly embarrassing. This wiki needs to keep in mind Final Fantasy is a video game which mechanically relies on gameplay to define the term "boss" not who is narratively at the end. It doesn't matter who the last villain is, if you can't lose, it CANNOT be a boss fight by definition of a boss. You can't lose to Yu Yevon.
BFA is the final boss. Period. How is Yu Yevon even still up there with "is the final boss" after his name?
- Well, if we look at gameplay, we can see that Yu Yevon has the boss flag. He is the last enemy encountered in the game with the boss flag. Final boss, right? I understand what you're saying, although even by the wiki's definition a scripted battle is still a boss if it's a one-time battle against a unique enemy encountered as part of the story.
- This is why both get listed. If I were writing the section I would just avoid explicitly labelling either the final boss and just explain that at the end of the game Braska's Final Aeon is fought and is the final challenge of the game, and after that Yu Yevon and the Aeons are fought in unlosable battles. JBed (talk) 16:06, November 18, 2015 (UTC)