Talk: Library (Echoes of Time)

Barring anymore deleted pages, this is our 10,000th artice. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

		Griffen78 - who needs high hp when you got a smexy jacket like this? TALK - {{{time}}}
		a-are y-you SERIOUS?! I MADE THIS ARTICLE *Faints*

Yeah, I know. I was going for it, but I got the 9,999th article. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

This is the 10000th article I can confirm. The true 10000th article after all VFDd articles were deleted.

Though I'm going to VFD an article sometime soon. Just don't want to touch mainspace because I'm proving a point by being on a WikiBreak.  ILHI 12:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Tag

Locations, characters... and several other things... use the compilation tag. This is because they can appear in other titles and because they can effect other games in the series. Why do you think we have Minerva (Final Fantasy VII), Omega (Final Fantasy VII), Yuri (Final Fantasy VII), Yuri (Crystal Chronicles). You get the idea? GAMEPLAY elements get their game specific tags.

Now, the CC series is annoying, and I don't know whether we should treat the EoT locations as gameplay elements or locations. But still. NO!  ILHI 18:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 18:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
		All the examples you gave were characters. Locations are fine when they are the exact same location, as in the Dalmasca Estersand. There is no Library in Crystal Chronicles or Ring of Fates; Echoes of Time is highly unimaginative with its location names. There is a seperate Giza Plains (Final Fantasy XII) and Giza Plains (Tactics Advance). Characters I can see, because usually they play camoes in other games and tagging them would be stupid. Why name Forest (Crystal Chronicles) with a compilation tag, when the data there is specifically about the Echoes of Time location? The Mushroom Forest exists in the original CC and Abyssus Forest exists in Ring of Fates. "Forest (Crystal Chronicles)" implies that the page is a disambiguation page for all Crystal Chronicles forests, which it is not. Also, you yell at me a lot. :P

NO, THAT IS WRONG! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM BEING CHARACTERS, IT IS TO DO WITH THEM BEING STORY ELEMENTS AND NOT GAMEPLAY ELEMENTS!

"Crystal Chronicles" is the COMPILATION TAG, as detailed on [[Help:Tags and Disambiguation Pages]].

Say "Edge" only appeared in Advent Children, and didn't appear anywhere else. We'd give it the VII tag because it is an element in the overall VII storyline. However, enemies and abilities ARE NOT story elements and are GAMEPLAY elements. Therefore they always get a game tag. And they do not share pages if they match the name of something else in the same series.

So tell me this, if the same Library appeared in another CC game, would we give it a different page? If the answer is no, then it gets the compilation tag.  ILHI ^{18:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)}

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 19:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
		o_o;;;;;"""" Edge appears in Advent Children and in Dirge of Cerberus. So it needs the comp tag. Library appears in Echoes of Time. It doesn't need a comp tag. Edge (Final Fantasy VII): Which game? Oh, okay, it appears in two Compilation entries. Library (Crystal Chronicles): Which game? Echoes of Time. What's the other one? There is no other one. wut? This is rather odd, since I just bought Echoes of Time yesterday and now I'm trying to defend a position revolving around it. Crystal Chronicles is a markedly different compilation that Final Fantasy VII. With the exception of MLaaK and MLaaD, no entries are directly tied into each other; though they take place in the same universe, you are not getting a "this game happens one year, this game happens the next year, this game happens five years before that, all with the exact same characters." And even still, characters I can see, since they are usaully the exact same character. Locations are not as story-elemental as characters, in my view. If another Library was to exist in the Crystal Chronicles universe, I'm speculating that it wouldn't be called simply "Library", just as you are speculating it might be called "Library". Again, Echoes of Time has about as much creativity as my Tactics Advance walkthrough. Forest is forest, Village is village, etc. Take Cu Sith (Revenant Wings) and Cu Sith (summon). The former is a specific character and the latter is a race of Espers that look like said character. Should the former be Cu Sith (Final Fantasy XII)? I... don't think so.

Before I write an argument, I'm stuck on your first comment. What you're saying is we should move Omega (Final Fantasy VII) to "Omega (Dirge of Cerberus)", Minerva (Final Fantasy VII) to "Minerva (Crisis Core)", Yuri (Final Fantasy VII) to "Yuri (On the Way to a Smile)" and Yuri (Crystal Chronicles) to "Yuri (Ring of Fates)". Because you seem to have practically evaded everything I was saying.  ILHI ^{19:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)}

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 19:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
		Yes, I would personally support all of those moves. I likes specificity. Hmm, wait. I answered too quickly. Those are all characters... locations definitely need to be specific. Characters... I don't see why not, though I would be fine if characters used the comp tag.

Why are characters any different to locations? In fact, they should be confined to specific tags more because locations can stand for millions of years whereas most characters last ~80.  ILHI ^{19:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)}

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 19:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
		And that is perfectly fine when structures appear during the entire compilation game. Let's go back to my compilation comparison: Crystal Chronicles is a markedly different compilation that Final Fantasy VII. With the exception of MLaaK and MLaaD, no entries are directly tied into each other; though they take place in the same universe, you are not getting a "this game happens one year, this game happens the next year, this game happens five years before that, all with the exact same characters." It doesn't matter if a temple lasts for 2000 eons, because Crystal Chronicles locations are not connected in any way. Edge is, of course going to last beyond Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, and whatever other sequels Square plans to make for VII. Oh, fail my argument. Look: River Belle Path. Bah. Just like XII and RW locations being tied together. >.> Hmmmzzzz......................... Well, River Belle path exists in multiple incarnations in the compilation, so they're all grouped in the compilation. Okay. Sorry for going off. BUT, "Forest" exists only in Echoes of Time. "Library" exists only in Echoes of Time. You don't know that the next CC game will feature a Library simply entitled "Library". For all other recurring storyline elements, yes, comp tag them.

Basically, if we tag all these things based on a single appearance instead of a compilation, then we'll move them when they do appear in another game. Also, even though Omega doesn't appear in other CompVII, he affects the Compilation. He'll go in the Timeline page.

Now my original question: I don't know whether we should treat the EoT locations as gameplay elements or locations. I'm not sure how EoT handles, but if these locations are gameplay locations, and are in no way key locations to the series, and couldn't ever really return... ARGHH!! I thought Crystal Chronicles looked like a neat series but now I hate it. I hate it I hate it I HATE IT!  ILHI ^{19:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)}

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 19:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
		Yeah, if Square decides to be lazy and include another bland "Forest" in another CC game, then... it can be comped. I'm just going to keep Library, Forest, Town, Village, and whatever bland names as (Echoes of Strife Time) tags, I don't foresee going into a major crusade to check all these things at the moment ^^

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 20:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
		ILHI, I'm going to leave the tags on the EoT template as (Echoes of Time) even if there is no other "Gate" in the entire series; this is to match what you did with the Forest page. (Pages like "Adventurer's Gate" or anything with "Gate" in it are listed on "Gate", which will be a disambig page.) Poke me if I forget about creating those pages later on, please.

I only did so with those particular cases because the series as so many of them, it didn't seem right one forest, or whatever it was in the particular case, getting the page title. It'd still be rather pointless otherwise.  ILHI ^{20:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)}

Space Inside the Ancient Book

Although I don't think it's used in the game, the Galdes area of the Library is called いにしえの書物の間 Inishie no Shomotsu no Ma [maybe] which means something like the name in the header... maybe. JBed (talk) 02:45, January 8, 2020 (UTC)