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WorkEdit

I'm gonna copy/paste this in my sandbox and work on it from time to time. When it's done, I'll add evertyhing all at once. --Hecko X 09:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you do SMRPG as well? Crazyswordsman 19:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
No sorry. I've never played SMRPG myself, I've only seen one of my friends play it from time to time, and that was maybe a year and a half ago, so it would be mediocre second-hand information at best. --Hecko X 21:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Article format Edit

Just a couple of questions here...

  • Do we really need the information about how to defeat the incarnations of the bosses? If people want a walkthrough, they can look elsewhere. These "tips" make the article inconsistent.
  • If the plot/story can be expanded a lot, would it be a good idea to make "Lists of Characters/Places" pages rather than have it on one article? It's a nightmare to read at the moment!

I'm quite happy to try and re-build this article (maybe break it up), but it'll take a bit of time. I'm quite happy to suggestions, if others want to work on this, etc. Do people want me to try and re-build this, and if so, what suggestions do people have? As mentioned, it may take a while! - DNA300 13:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, we really do need the strategy. And no, they aren't all Square property, so they aren't getting their own articles. And no, it is not a good idea to then only give the Square-villains their own articles, because that would make the article inconsistent. However, I guess we could make strategy sub-pages for each villain, and then add a link saying "See LINK for strategy"
  • The Lists might be a good idea. I only did what I thought possible, since I was confined to only being allowed one article. However, it might be an idea to also merge the location lists of CoM and KHII in there too, as not to write 3 articles on the same worlds/locations.
But besides making the lists and moving certain sections into the list, don't mess the general setup. There's nothing actually wrong with it, except for waaaaay too much information per section (Like I said, I was confined to making everything fit into one article). --Hecko X 13:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I didn't fully read the manual of style (partially because I didn't know it existed, I never got my welcome message!) so fair enough, the strategy stays. And, I didn't actually mean a separate article for each enemy (I have no intention to do that) - just place the villains on a separate page, together with the strategies. So, we have section listing the bosses, then have it link to the main article "List of enemies in Kingdom Hearts" or something of the sorts.
I also didn't realise you were only allowed one article - surely though, now it is on the main page as a spin-off of FF, it can be expanded. I agree, merging the location lists from all the KH are a good idea, rather than just one.
So, the proposition is, at this moment,
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  • Plot
  • Main Characters
  • Other Playable Characters
  • Summons
  • Final Fantasy Cameos (move all character related sections together, placing light and darkness separate)
  • Major/Minor Villains - (link to one sub article)
  • Optional Villains - (link to above article?)
  • List of Heartless
  • List of Worlds - (to separate article common to KH, KHII and CoM)
  • Changes in Final Mix
As I said, I am not going to go about doing anything until people say that the proposed format is a good idea. In all honesty, I fully agree there is nothing wrong with it structurally, except that there is too much to read, which is why I want to just create a couple of sub-articles. - DNA300 14:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • "Other Playable Characters" remains as "Temporary characters", as they are never actually playable, they are AI driven.
  • Villains get one collective article with four sections, Major, Minor, Hearless ("List of Hearless" implies more of a bestiary, and while I do believe we should make one some day, I think we should focus on the game for now) and Optional, respectively. To this article is a subarticle called "/Strategy". In the parent article, there will be a link under each villains name leading to their respective strategy.
  • And "Changes in Final Mix" simply remains as "Final Mix", in case anyone later on is able to write more additional info than I have at the moment.
Other than that, it's fine by me. I have to go to a city called Holbæk, so I won't be able to keep an eye on things for at least a day, but no more than two. So I trust you to keep an eye on this article for me --Hecko X 14:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, got it. Thanks - DNA300 14:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
This is gonna look sweet once it's been pimp'd. --Auron Kaizer 19:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

This article is close to being ready to being merged. The sections in User:DNA300/Sandbox are all ready to merge (except the list of worlds), but I want people to take a look and make sure it is ready for this page. Since HeckoX has gone, I do need others to review and make sure I have got it right. - DNA300 14:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Article Merge Edit

The article has been merged with my Sandbox. - DNA300 18:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

KH Wiki Edit

Hello all peoples and IPs. I have a question. Why do you put KH info Final Fantasy Wiki? Roxas and Sora and KH whatnots never appeared in any FFs. Its FF charas appearing in KH. Why expand these articles when we have another Wiki showing the same thing? Honestly, if it were me, I'd redirect all KH characters and whatnot pages to the Kingdom Heart's own Wiki, seriously. Bluerダヨ 08:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah damn it. Why can't you haters just leave it alone? --Auron Kaizer 14:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Hehe, incited angriness. :Þ I don't hate KH. no, just.... well...lol whatever... Bluerダヨ 15:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm from the KH wiki, and I think I speak for all of us there when I say Kingdom Hearts is a part of Final Fantasy. In the words of Kairi and Sora: There are many worlds, but they share the same sky. One sky, one destiny. - Morghman

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I'm not really a part of this wiki, but I think that since it is a wiki dedicated to anything that mentions Final Fantasy, the Kingdom Hearts page should stay, but since it isn't a big Finaly Fantasy thing, there should only be one page about it. But stop hatin on my Kingdom hearts please... - Morghman

What about the new Kingdom Hearts for psp and the trailor of what may be KH III? Edit

No mention of them is in the article..why is that? Or Roxas...Why doesn't he have some sort of listing as a character?--Chipmonk329

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Characters Edit

I know this might sound crazy but should all the characters get there own pages or at least a separate character page?Cal05000 12:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Cal05000

See the discussion page (unless it's merged) no, all the characters get their articles in their respective wiki, this is a FFwiki after all, not SE wiki. -- Nelo 12:02, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
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What do you guys want to do about Axel? He's based ON Reno, but is not Reno himself - madammina (only time commenting so no account)

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Axel is based off of Reno, Terra is based off of Zack, Sora's hair is based off Cloud's, Kairi's hair is based off Yuffie's, and it's never been stated, but some fans think Riku's hair is based off Sephiroth's. - Morghman

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Sephiroth?Edit

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Well, he only plays a minor role in Hollow Bastion, he's not really even a villain in the game, just a warrior who has a feud to settle. So I'd have to say he should be off. - Morghman

But he's a recurring villain within the games, and from the FF series, which we cover. There aren't any other FF villains in KH. Seifer doesn't count.  ILHI 20:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I think sephiroth should be mentioned coz he is one of the hardest bosses in the kh games. he is kinda of a major character coz of it :)

what a wonderful world......WHAT THE HECK!!!!!! 09:50, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Technically... Edit

If Riku does learn to master his light and darkness powers, wouldn't that be a slight reference to Cecil Harvey? I don't think it's that important at all, but I'd just like to ask. AssassinLegend 07:38, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

The DS remake of FF4 made Cecil's DK form hold his sword exactly like how Riku does. Riku's sword also happens to be called Soul Eater, among other things. The two are definitely cross-referencing each other quite a bit (though good luck adding anything about it to the wiki, since the admins seem against adding too much KH-related). Dazuro 08:06, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Well, it seems Drake has fixed the page to add more references between KH and FF. Never mind, then. AssassinLegend 07:12, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Canon?Edit

Should Kingdom Hearts be considered canon to the Final fantasy series or are the FF appearances different characters based on FF ones. 'Cause it seems kinda coincidental that the characters in the KH universe have so many similarities to their FF counterparts. I guess this is kind of an opinion question until Square Enix gives a definitive answer. Indi555

The answer is no. Kingdom Hearts is related to Final Fantasy, probably because Square Enix wanted to experiment blending their characters with Disney. However, I really haven't studied KH long enough to give you a good answer. Someone else might be able to. AssassinLegend 07:16, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

It's not a "coincidence", because even though they're alternate universe counterparts they still have to be recognizable. But it is an alternate universe therefore it's not a part of FF canon. HarpieSiren 10:52, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

wallace? Edit

is the wallace from kingdom hearts REALLY barret wallace? he doesnt look like it to me, so im not sure its a reference.yoshiyuki17

Since they have the other members of Avalanche, it's likely a reference. 88.108.110.204 10:55, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

yeah, its just that it looks nothing like him that bugs me, but i guess its fair to say its a reference yoshiyuki17 11/28/10

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Kingdom Hearts 3D Name References Edit

Anyone out there playing Kingdom Hearts 3D? I noticed that the link portal "characters" have Final Fantasy names. So far I've found Vanille, Balthier, Bartz, and O. Knight, and a few others, but I fear I didn't check one of them before activating it, losing the name for good. Maybe the names will be in the player's guide? I'm keeping a list in my sandbox. Yrusama (talk) 18:36, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

I know I am. Let's add... Warrior of Light, Locke, Cloud, Vivi, Laguna, Vaan, Lightning... that's all the ones I can remember offhand. I figure we should probably mention it in trivia, but I wasn't sure, so I haven't added any to pages yet. Jimcloud 18:50, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
they are more likely random ..also add squall and leon.. Sum2k3 (talk) 18:52, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Squall and Leon are the names of seperate characters in FF series. chances are the link portal that names leon is a reference to the FFII Leon. Also the list of link portal names also includes Porom and Palom, as well as Shantotto, Prishe, and Kimahri. At least ive seen their names anyway.
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Coverage Edit

Am I the only one who thinks this page gives KH too much coverage? Really, other than general background synopsis, explaining the gameplay, and a section about connection to the series, I don't think this should have nearly this much information, especially when we already link to the KH series page on KHWiki.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 18:24, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

I agree. It's just a related game afterall and there's the KH wiki for in-depth details. Monterossa (talk) 13:38, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

Woefully outdated Edit

As you can see, I put some notices up that this article is in very much need of an overhaul. Since then, I’ve been contacted by someone who also plays that series, but he hasn’t done anything quite yet. I’m looking for ideas as to what to cut back, but there’s also some accounting needs to be done for the complete remaster of the series in the 2010s. Suggestions and actions would be much appreciated. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 01:01, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

Argument for redaction (redux) Edit

A while back, I wrote this article was desperately in need of an update. While that is still the case, the article as it stands has another issue. First, it's already too heavy for tertiary scope. True, there are Final Fantasy characters in it, but the franchise is ultimately controlled by Disney, whom I've heard is extremely protective of its intellectual property; how else do you explain the confines of recent collaborations? Second, The article covers more than that series. As I understand it, The World Ends With You is a Square Enix title somewhere out in left field. It isn't related in the least to Kingdom Hearts. Given the very harsh treatment of so-called "related games" in recent days, I would expect this article in particular to receive equal if not greater scrutiny. On the subject of other Square Enix games, I believe that since the merger of 2003, there has been a pattern of systems and concepts being poached from or bleeding into the various titles of the greater multiverse. To that end, the company is well within its rights to do that. At the very least, it creates a situation where proving something did or did not influence or get influenced by Final Fantasy is extremely difficult. Then again, as competitors, Square and Enix had a back-and-forth tilt since 1986. Let's not forget that Enix bought Square, Not the other way around. The specifics are subject matter for another article entirely. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 17:55, July 26, 2018 (UTC)

You could've saved time by saying that the point of third tier scope articles is to cover the series' relation to Final Fantasy and nothing else. You can safely remove everything to do with gameplay, story, characters who do not appear in Final Fantasy (i.e. keep Sora because he appeared in Bravius, keep the cameo characters, etc) and then keep but slightly rewrite the connections to the series section.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 09:25, July 27, 2018 (UTC)
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