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Tactics A2 is unique amongst the titles in the Ivalice Alliance in that it gives a unique name to the Ivalice that it takes place in, that name being Jylland.
I cannot say this with certainty, since I have progressed about 3/4 through the game and do not recall every single conversation that takes place, but I believe that the term Jylland is used almost exclusively in-game to refer to the Ivalice region. I actually cannot remember if the word "Ivalice" is even used, but I am sure that Jylland is the dominant title used by its denizens.This being said, I believe that "Ivalice (Final Fantasy Tactics A2)" should be moved to "Jylland". Support? Reject?
well there is 2 areas and ivallaces is used many times.
The two areas are Loar and Ordalia, which together comprise Jylland. Can you give an example as to when the term "Ivalice" is used?And come on, Bluerfn, I know you love Ivalice discussions :)
Oppose. It's Ivalice. It's always Ivalice. Changing it would be just wrong.
This is not about whether it "sounds" better, but what is referred to in-game as. We all remember the Aeris debate, yes? And have you two played Tactics A2?
Comment: There are instances in the conversation that refer to the region as Ivalice, but most of the in-game literature refers to it as Jylland. Find out which ratio is much larger than the other, or at least a rough figure, then go with the most recurring.
I would say Jylland is used more frequently, just by poring over the Notices and Rumors in the Clan Primer. I also noticed something:
With Lezaford's "Concerning" notices as my main citation, it seems that some of the denizens of the Tactics A2 Ivalice are aware that the land of Ivalice stretches beyond the locations explored in that game. From "Concerning Scions", Lezaford uses both the terms "Ivalice" and "Jylland". He notes a "legend of a great mage in the far eastern realms who sundered a magickal seal, thus receiving a scion as a servant". I haven't played XII, but this probably refers to the whole Dynast-King stuff. The fact that Vaan and Penelo appear in Tactics A2 lends credit to the fact that "Ivalice" refers to a huge world, of which Jylland is only a part of.That whole paragraph must have blatantly obvious to most people. "Yes, we know Ivalice is really really big!" I think it's best to call the region in Tactics A2 by the title that is most specific the the area in which the game takes place. Going back to my first sentence, Jylland is used mroe often anyway.
I'd support the move, it's quite obvious from what you're all saying that while this game does indeed occur in Ivalice, it is occuring in a specific region of Ivalice. Ivalice is basically the name for the entire world, with these being countries/regions/what have you.Hell, I just want to move it since I hate having all these inividual Ivalice articles. Perhaps the FFXII one can be moved to the Ordalia and what have you regions. That way, the main Ivalice article concerns the whole world, which links to each region.
Really? That can't be where the name is from.
Jylland - Indeed danish Edit
I really couldn't help myself when i saw this, i have to confirm it, Yes Jylland is indeed the danish name for Jutland, and i should know being danish (although i live on Sjælland which i have no idea what is called in english) so for everyone who doubt that Jylland is danish, it is. Now i really have to find that game...
Region vs. Nation Edit
Wouldn't it be more accurate to describe Jylland as a nation rather than just a region? For one thing, I don't really see the sense in calling it a "region" when it's composed of two landmasses that are separated by sea. However, as a nation I think it does meet the criteria for being classified as such. I mean, it's a collection of regions and cities that lies outside the influence the Archadian Empire and the Rozarrian Empire. The only problem with this idea is that Jylland doesn't seem to have any sort of central government that is made too apparent in the game. It does mention Archduke Beaudonis, but it doesn't seem like there's an Archduke presiding over Jylland during the events of the game itself. The closest thing to a central government that is referenced in the game is the Five Lords of Jylland, who are spoken of but not really elaborated upon. I do suppose their lack of government could be because of the judges, though. But on the other hand, Jylland does have its own militia of sorts, the Jylland Defenders of Peace, so I would say that would also be another factor in it constituting as a nation as opposed to a region. Any thoughts on the matter? –Nahald 21:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, I'm not sure. The main drawback seems to be what you pointed out: the lack of any central government or head of power. There is no capital, and since we do not know where Jylland ends and Rozarria begins, or what lies west of the Rupie Mountains and such, we cannot assume borders either. It's somewhat odd, though: why are Judges in the spiritual golem form only present in that region? The power structure is never really elaborated upon at all; the Baron Illua poisoned isn't even seen in the game. There's really not enough information to call it a politically sanctioned country/state/nation. 8bit 21:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Not by any chance, since Ordalia belongs to Rozarria, and Loar belogs to god-knows-who. So, Jylland is basically the area where Ordalia meets Loar, being a zone, rather than a nation or a region. - Henryacores^ 22:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Er, I'm pretty sure Ordalia doesn't belong completely to Rozarria, I mean, Dalmasca is in Ordalia and they're still an independent nation. Besides, that political map shown in that cutscene FFXII only shows some of Rozarria's area of influence, not all of it. So we can't say for sure how far Rozarria's reach is, but I'm fairly certain they don't rule over Jylland at all. But all the same, I still believe their is a strong case for Jylland being considered its own nation. The fact that it had an Archduke at one point in time and, during the events of the game, had five lords, a militia, and judges that upheld the law of the land has to count for something. –Nahald 22:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)