Talk: Grim Reaper (entity)

Where is the Grim Reaper called the "Grim Reaper". I ain't proposing a move, but if it hasn't been used anywhere, Template:Nameless.  ILHI 15:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

 *sigh*  ILHI 19:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, isn't that obviously what that figure is? Its the Grim Reaper, either that or its the personification of "Death". I know it just by looking at it. I don't need to be told a Dragon is a Dragon by the game to know what it is. --BlueHighwind ツ 19:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

... I ain't proposing a move, but if it hasn't been used anywhere, Template:Nameless.  ILHI 19:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, Dark Kain's cloaked appearance explicitly referred to as resembling the Grim Reaper in CC. Is that enough grounds to remove the conjectural title thing? Dazuro 05:06, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

The Grim Reaper a summon

Should'nt this count as a summon? Judge Balthier 21:27, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

There was a huge long discussion about this, and we came to the conclusion that it is not, since it isn't summoned by Summon Magic. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 21:32, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Need

Do we really need a page for a recurring graphical element? I don't see a page for those green orbs that appear when performing a summon, or the white stars that flash when you attack. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 04:50, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'll go make that now~ Kidding. I don't know why this is here. However, you could argue that the grim reaper is a slightly more significant imagery than white stars of DOOM! Jimcloud 04:55, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

So this basically is the "Appearance" section of the Doom article. I don't see a need for this if all of the information is already included in the related articles, such as Doom and Death. --^DT_N 05:18, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Flawed argument. We have information about the Icebrand weapon in articles such as Final Fantasy V weapons and Final Fantasy VI weapons. So there's not point in that page? Of course there is, it's called a parent page, and it parents all appearances of the weapon. This article parents all appearances of the Grim Reaper. It is relevant to the Doom, Death, and other spells. The Grim Reaper is the figure, not a spell, and is therefore unrelated. Statuses are seperate from spells because they can be inflicted by a number of things, it doesn't make sense to share a page with just the spell. Mentioning Grim Reaper on "Death" wouldn't make sense because he doesn't just appear in the Death spell. 80.42.243.137 19:01, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

The Grim Reaper is essentially summon, a reccuring one at that. Why not have this article? I mean, I can't think of any justification for the deletion of this article. "We don't need it" is not a statement I am looking for, and "because we don't have *" doesn't work in this case. Summon things only relate to the Summon command, and there you have where it can reside. I'm not sure what white stars you are talking about, but the Grim Reaper assiciates with not just one spell, so here it lies as a parent for all times the Grim Reaper appears. 80.42.243.137 19:01, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

No, it is not a summon, it's just a spell graphic, to argue the former is ridiclous. You do not summon the Grim Reaper to kill something, you cast a spell that kills someone. That's like saying the Toads that appear when you cast Toad are summons. But they aren't, they are just a spell graphic, they are not tangible, they do not actually exist, nor does the Grim Reaper count as a summon because he too is just a spell graphic. If a spell graphic gets a page, which it shouldn't, I demand that we make a page titled [[Snowman (Summon)]], because Mystic Quest's Blizzard spell features a graphic of a Snowman appearing. And then right after that ILHI, make a page for [[Summon Orbs]] because obviously they're summons too, since they appear when you use the summon command, right? Oh, and need a page for Angels then, since they always appear when we cast Raise and Arise, etc. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 21:51, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The Grim Reaper is summoned (whether you like it or not, he may be a spell graphic, but he is called forth) -- the Grim Reaper is a spell graphic, but he's actually a being in itself. In a fire spell, you summon fire upon the enemy. In a Death/Doom spell, you summon a Grim Reaper to do your bidding. You can argue the same for Snowman and Toad too, sure. Key difference is they aren't recurring, and don't appear in more than one ability.

Grim Reaper - Recurring element in the Final Fantasy series.

Grim Reaper - Recurrent figure in game. --I mean, while FFV doesn't mention it, the "Dark Returns" enemy ability in FFV (or whatever the enemy ability may be called in the Advance release) presents the Grim Reaper in its animation.

Again, summon orbs are a part of the summoning, therefore solely related to the Summon (command). It should be mentioned on that page as part of the animation. Grim Reaper recurs as part of spell animation in multiple spells. If the same thing happened for spells, we still wouldn't require a page, because then we could say it relates to all forms of Magic.

Edit conflict

RE: Angels-- I agree. Why not? They are used in imagery beyond just the spells too. OWA? JBed 22:08, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say it's a curiosity article, something in the lines of Wookieepedia's Breast article. ^BLUER一番 08:44, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Type-0

Since Type-0's Sice's "Dark Nemesis" is translated to "Grim Reaper" do we move this page to "Grim Reaper (Term)"? That would seem the most logical choice.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:33, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Can't think of a better tag than (Term). Support.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:26, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

I find it difficult to consider something nameless a "term"? I also just don't like that tag in most situations where we talking about a physical thing. If this Grim Reaper is a term, then why is Sice's ability not also a term? Term should be reserved for lore, and maybe game-terminology (like buff, and MMO terminology).

Character (as it is referred to on Death), Entity, Motif (as it is referred to in the article introduction). JBed (talk) 16:51, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

In some games grim reaper may only appear as images, like in FFXV skulls appear in the party members' clothes and there are grim reaper emblems and statues in Lucis, but it's yet unknown if grim reaper will appear as a "character" or not. Maybe it's just like their "mascot"... Would "Motif" describe the grim reaper that appears during attack animations, I don't know.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:59, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

I like "(Entity)" for the tag; if it were a "motif" then there would be mainly just symbols around the games (that's how I interpret the word "motif" but others may have different opinion), but "entity" seems better since the grim reaper manifests making it somewhat a summon.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:21, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Versus XIII/XV

Lucis' reaper-worship theme is still present in XV; it's just not as blatant as it was in Versus XIII. Tabata's phrasing was「前に押し出すことができません」, "[the theme] cannot be brought to the forefront". --HajiMori (talk) 01:17, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

"Shinigami"

The Japanese for this page sounds plausible but was added by a known reverse-translator, and as an animation graphic there aren't many places in a game where this guy is going to be discussed (tthough I'm sure they may have put it in somwehere).

However I find it unlikely that this guy has never been referred to in a Japanese guide. So can we get a citation for a Japanese name?

Or if it's used in a game, we don't need a citation but the whereabouts can be stated here for if it's questioned again.

Tabata refers to "shinigami" in his FFXV interview, but that's not quite the same thing as the recurring attack animation entity. JBed (talk) 13:23, September 10, 2016 (UTC)

Found one! Explaining "All Over", Cait Sith's Limit Break animation, in VIIUO. JBed (talk) 13:43, September 10, 2016 (UTC)