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Griever looks a great deal like Vincent does in his Chaos form. Also, the Griever motif of a St. James' Cross with a lion head greatly resembles Vincent's motif of a similar cross with a Cerberus head. Aeroflecto 17:33, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

In the 1980's, in western schools it was custom that, upon the initiation of their relationship, a boy would give his girlfriend an item which she would wear or possess; signifying that the two are involved in some way. Usually this item or token would be a piece of clothing, usually a button from his jacket or a signet ring. This custom is represented in how Rinoa receives Squall's ring.

May I know where is the source of this ?

No offend , I'm just curious .——Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

You mean if it was a custom or if Rinoa receiving Squall's ring represents that? It's just meant as a curiosity that there is real-world precedence, it's not from an official source. The wording could be improved to lessen ambiguity.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:27, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

The sentence mentioned that it's a custom from western school in the 1980 , did this custom really exist ?

I know this custom is not from the game , I just want to know is it true that this custom ever exist in our real life .

I am expecting a link to a wiki page or something that explains this to show up as this source .——Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

What official source can you want on a real-world custom? None of us are that old, and the only "source" I can think of on the spot is when Danny give his ring to Sandra in Grease, but it's a real thing. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:15, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I mean that sentence must be written by someone , unless the custom thing is made up by his own , he must have got the knowledge from somewhere , in order to write down such a complete custom with time, place and details about it .——Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

Uh...should this page even exist, at least in it's current overly subjective format? It almost seems like someone copy/pasted their Griever fanpage onto the wiki with all the interpretive crap. All we need is a single page for the actual FFVIII Griever entity to account for any and all objective FFVIII Griever-related appearances, info, and references, which a corresponding battle page for specific monster stats. All the core of the page really amounts to is a bunch of interpretations of the symbolism and thematic importance of the Griever symbol throughout FFVIII. None of which is official and all of which is just fan speculation and over-analyzing/overreaching. That includes the ridiculous "Western 80's relationship" thing which has absolutely no reason to be on this wiki. Even if such an unbelievably generic idea was popular in the 80's, unless we have a source saying that it was actually the reasoning behind Squall giving Rinoa the ring, it doesn't belong here. And I mean seriously, the guy giving a gift to recognize the start of a relationship and "mark" the girl as his? There is nothing special or new about that. It's been a common practice everywhere since the beginning of time, hence why Squall giving Rinoa a ring shouldn't need any sort of outside source to explain its presence in FFVIII. It's like saying "Edea taking Cid's last name when they married is a reference to a real-world Western custom popular in the 1980's of women taking men's names when they marry." Espritduo (talk) 06:07, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

In a word, yes. I obvs don't care enough as much as you to write as large a paragraph, but it's certain enough that Griever functions as both GF and as a symbol within FF8, so the interpretative stuff can stay as far as I'm concerned. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:39, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Since when is the wiki about speculative interpretive crap, though? We focus on facts, not some fan's ideas of what a cigar means in FFVIII. It's fine saying Squall thinks Griever represents strength and courage, because Squall actually says that in the game. It's not fine going on and on and on about all sorts of possible meanings behind all the instances of Griever's mug in FFVIII, though. Say Griever's image is a recurring motif in FFVIII, list where it appears in the game, and leave it at that. No need for a whole page dedicated to the symbolism of Griever in FFVIII. Do we have a page dedicated to the symbolism of the Buster Sword in FFVII, or the symbolism of the Moon in FFIV? No, and thank god. Their pages are straight up fact-based pages detailing the iconic symbols' appearances and relevance to their plots. No fluff about the Buster Sword being a symbol of Cloud's small manhood or the blood-red Moon being a symbol of passionate love in FFIV. This may be a wiki and a fan page, but it's a wiki first, and a fan page a distant second. Espritduo (talk) 07:01, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

My bad then , because here in the place I'm living in , couples usually buy couple items for example couple rings , couple shirts or couple necklace , the idea of giving an item that a boy posses to a girl is like a whole new fresh idea to me , that I've never heard or seen before in my life .

Even during wedding ceremony , the bride and bridegroom would buy a couple ring and exchange during the ceremony , but I've never seen they giving each other an item or jewelry they posses .——Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

I think the gift-giving thing does have existed in some form, because it has appeared in some 80s' movies, like in the end of The Breakfast Club the girl gives the guy her earring, which appears to be a reference to this kinda practise.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 12:27, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ok I'm cool with this .

Now at least I know that this gift giving custom existed in some 80's movies .

Please link more source here if you could find any . I'm really interested in this kind of things .

When you post something here you are supposed to sign it by putting four tildes after your message. Like this: ~~~~ Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:44, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
And if you want the guy who wrote and researched all this. That would be me. Netherith (talk) 19:11, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oh okay lemme try and see 09:21, November 14, 2012 (UTC) Ray(talk) 1720 , November 14 , 2012

Just the four tildes will do. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 09:26, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Dictionairre Infernal[edit source]

Griever vaguely resembles a few of the demons in the Dictionairre Infernal, primarily Sabnock, Ipos (...kind of), and Vapula. Is this worth mentioning at all?(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ (ಠ_ೃ)Bully! 15:36, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

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