Talk: Gran Pulse

Pulse and Gran Pulse

Hmm, I'm not sure if renaming the Pulse article "Gran Pulse" is entirely correct, since from what I've gathered, Pulse is the name of the whole world, which contains the floating Cocoon and the Gran Pulse below it.SamSandy 09:59, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

I already brought this up in the main article, but is there a source on this? From what I've read, Gran(d) Pulse is supposed to just be the true name of Pulse, but my sources are limited. Bluestarultor 18:22, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Every source up until these few new scan speaks of Pulse as the name of the world, not Gran Pulse. Official websites, trailers, interviews, scans, even screenshots... Are they not enough of a source to you, somehow? SamSandy 21:11, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

It's not that. I just happened to take it more as "Cocoon was floating over Pulse" as if they were considered different "worlds," so to speak, if only to Cocoonians(?), with Cocoon being an enclosed world in the sense that it's all the inhabitants know, and Pulse being "the world below," where things are still enclosed, but on a planetary level, rather than a more continental one. My question is really more whether Pulse is considered the world as a whole with Gran Pulse being the subset of it that's not Cocoon, which strikes me as being very Cocoon-centric, or whether it's more that Gran Pulse is the true name of Pulse and that the people of Cocoon have simply corrupted it in their arrogance of considering Cocoon to be a separate world. Basically, my limited reading into the Gran Pulse matter put it that Pulse was a corruption of that and that Gran Pulse was the true name of Pulse, which is both the world as a whole and the world that is not Cocoon. I was just wondering if that was wrong, since I couldn't find an official source. Bluestarultor 22:42, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

True name by whose standards? Certainly not the game makers, since they've been talking about just Pulse, not Gran Pulse, this whole time. And since most people in the game itself live in Cocoon, surely the word they use would be the norm, no? Or do you think the monsters living in Gran Pulse have somehow invented the name of the world? Even the scan translations say that Gran Pulse is just the name of the wilderness, separating it from the rest of Pulse (which includes Cocoon, but maybe some other places we do not yet know about).SamSandy 12:15, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

See my point in the section of the main XIII talk page. My point is we simply don't know how global Gran Pulse is and people keep globally changing references from Pulse to Gran Pulse in conflict with the words of the developers. Bluestarultor 00:22, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

PanSola is right. Both "Pulse" and "Gran Pulse" are technically correct in the same sense that both "Germany" and "Deutschland," or both "Brazil" and "Brasil," are correct. One could make a convincing argument, however, that the correct, or proper name is that given by its own inhabitants. From that perspective, Gran Pulse is the "true" name. Yrl 01:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

"Pulse" is the term the "Cocoonians" use, "Gran Pulse" is the term Fang uses, and they both mean the "world" underneath Cocoon. Hence I'm pointing Gran Pulse back to Pulse. -User:PanSola^{(talk/history)} 17:32, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Gran Pulse

I was thinking, the JP literature seem to refer to the NA Pulse as 下界 gekai instead of パルス parusu, and they addresses NA Gran Pulse with its full name JP グラン=パルス Guran Parusu. Could we instead switch this so that the article is named Gran Pulse, with Pulse redirecting towards it? I know it's really nitpicky, but I just want to make sure. ^BLUER一番 09:03, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with this, and add another reason: I remember a scene in the game where someone calls the world "Pulse", and either Fang or Vanille, as a Pulsian, specifically corrects them and says the name is "Gran Pulse". When the party escapes from Cocoon at the end of Chapter 10, both Fang and Vanille introduce the world as "Gran Pulse". Er, yes, I just repeated what's said above ^. I'd think when we want to know what the name of a town is, we'd ask the villagers first, right?

So, unless anyone has any objections, we'll move this, yes? 8bit 16:14, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Seems that Pulsians and Cocooonians refer to Pulse in different ways. I think we should pick Gran Pulse :P - Henryacores^ 16:36, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

What I figured from the story was: The world was called Gran Pulse, but that was hundreds of years ago. Cocoon inhabitants probably dropped Gran from the name. I mean why, would you call it Gran(d) if it's the was like all of Cocoon describes it, full of bad people who want nothing more than to destroy Cocoon. Laconic 13:51, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Both "Pulse" and "Gran Pulse" are technically correct in the same sense that both "Germany" and "Deutschland," or both "Brazil" and "Brasil," are correct. One could make a convincing argument, however, that the correct, or proper name is that given by its own inhabitants. From that perspective, Gran Pulse is the "true" name. However, seeing as Gran Pulse really doesn't seem to have any living people on it during the game other than the player party (although that will probably change in the future), one could say that the title that the people of Cocoon, practically everyone, gives it is correct. From that perspective "Pulse" is the correct name. Also, I don't see why there are two main headings in this talk page about the same thing. For the record, I think it should be titled Gran Pulse, but obviously anyone typing in just Pulse should be redirected accordingly. Yrl 01:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Language

I dunno if any of you knew, but Gran Pulse and Cocoon have their own languages, which is why Vanille and Fang can't read Cocoon's signs (Well, atleast in Episode Zero.) So like..Should we put that into this article and stuff? (And they have no D in the Pulse language, which is why it is GRAN Pulse, not GRAND Pulse. Or so I thinks.) Fallen-Todesengel 23:36, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

It's a script, both Gran Pulse and Cocoon have their own writing system, but share the same language which is English. Cocoon has capital letters and small letters that you can see at the retail network. I know someone already scanned the scripts in the net. And yeah, Pulse is missing D, I, J, K, P, Q, V, W, X and Z. ^BLUER一番 04:00, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

So, that's a no? xD Fallen-Todesengel 21:26, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

If there's apparently no D and I in Pulsian alphabet, then how would it be possible for Vanille to have, much less write out, the clan name 'Dia'? 70.76.67.169 22:24, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Alphabet

		Yrl - Your pain shall be two-fold. TALK - 01:30, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
		I keep hearing about, and seeing in various sigs, the Cocoon and Pulse alphabets. I think that these should be added to their respective pages, like the Al Bhed alphabet is included in the page on the Al Bhed race. Even just an image of it, without an explanation comparing it to English would be nice.

		A.J. two (The Flashlight) - "Always Avoid Alliteration" TALK - "When life gives you cherries, make a bomb." 01:48, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
		I just answered your question on the other talk page YRL, if you didn't already see it.

Thanks. I hadn't seen it yet. Yrl 01:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Flying serpent creature

Does anyone know what that flying serpent is? The one which attacked the party's ship when they first arrived at Pulse. It is Leviathan? Tseantan 21:09, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

It's fal'Cie Dahaka.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 21:37, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Terra Incognita

I'm not sure but I believe that Gran Pulse is subbed as Terra Icongnita in the beginning referring it is a whole new world for the party, even Vanille and Fang due to great changes during the 500 years of crystal stasis.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 21:37, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Returning to Pulse?

After beating Barthandalus in Chapter 11, is there any way to go back to Pulse or am I stuck on Cocoon for the duration of the game? I had a bunch of incomplete Missions, and I can't find any information on that on the wiki. Personal fulfillment aside, that might be kind of important information to have. Dazuro 07:56, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

You can go back in Chapter 13.Keltainentoukokuu 18:22, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

"Gran Elevator"

I heard an NPC in the demo of Final Fantasy XIII-2 saying that people used the "Gran Elevator" to transport things from Pulse (notably vegetables), should we include anything about that in the article?  Ultimate Annihilation  12:47, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Definitely yes if you an find any info about it. :)Keltainentoukokuu 13:46, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

People of Gran Pulse

It says on the Profile section:"It is not completely certain whether or not humanity on Pulse was wiped out entirely, as the party does not explore the full length and breadth of the continent, and early concept artwork does show humans living among the ruins of Pulse cities."

But actually in FF13-2, they talked about a surviving tribe called the Farseer on Pulse. Hope even believes that they still exist somewhere in Pulse after they left Paddra. So shouldn't we update this paragraph? Instead we could write that it is not completely certain how the population of Pulse became so small that humanity ceased to exist or something along those lines. Since there were so many things that weren't explained in the game about why the Pulsian people died out.124.197.37.211 08:18, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

That whole sentence could just be removed I think.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 13:40, February 5, 2013 (UTC)