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Real Name[edit source]

It seems "Zulvan"'s name is actually "Nael Van Darnus". The "Into the Dark" quest description mentions that name:

"Nael Van Darnus, the infamous Legatus of the VIIth Legion"

This, of course, could just be a different Legatus...

DiamondEdge 01:47, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Umm, hey, this page seems to have been completely cleared for some reason. Just putting that out there. User:Durmer Darc 23:59, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Pages sometimes glitch like that. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:01, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Just an update of sorts, it seems like Nael Van Darnus is indeed a different legatus. And he has a gunlance. DiamondEdge 02:57, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Where did you guys get the name "Zulvan" in the first place? I want to confirm this source for myself. --NKato 08:36, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

  • The name has circulated within the FFXIV community ever since the first video of his cutscene has been posted on youtube, but to be fair no one seems to be able to point out the exact 'source'. He was already well known as "Zulvan" when this article was created. In any case, at this point, it's probably safe to assume that it's either incorrect or simply no longer mentioned by any NPC (something that's pretty possible, NPC dialogue is changing quite frequently every patch). Also, two legatus names are really 'confirmed' at this point, Nael van Darnus and Gaius van Baelsar. Nael is the gunlance wielding legatus, so it's not him. Gaius....could be the right one, indeed. His legion is said to patrol Silvertear Falls, the exact target of Future's Perfect's objective. Still, better to off wait until his name is really confirmed before changing the article name if it's indeed wrong. DiamondEdge 03:34, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I'll be waiting patiently for the information. :) --NKato 04:48, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

  • Name confirmed, Gaius van Baelsar. Moving this page to Gaius van Baelsar and keeping Zulvan as redirect.

DiamondEdge 13:33, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Vader[edit source]

An interesting bit of trivia might be that Zulvan comes across rather heavily as FF's newest, and closest Darth Vader. He's even gone so far as to quote the jedi. Like everything he says in that cinematic is what was said by Vader in Star Wars, except his line on "the cloying stench of shadow".

Zulvan[edit source]

Perhaps his original name, Zulvan, was a mistranslation of Zurvan, the central deity of a branch of Zoroastrianism. Wouldn't be the first time they used a Zoroastrian figure, and it makes a bit more sense as to where the name came from. Wherever the name came from, that is... Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 08:24, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Name[edit source]

His name is Gaius van Baelsar, not Gaius Van Baelsar.-- 20:35, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Design inspiration[edit source]

It doesn't bear mentioning anywhere that this guy looks almost exactly like Grahf from Xenogears? I'm not saying they stole the design (considering Square/Enix made both games, so obviously its an homage), but I can't be the only one who noticed this.

Unless there is a source that is officially from Square that states they're both connected in terms of design, unfortunately it's just speculation which we don't include on the mainspace. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 23:06, February 11, 2014 (UTC)
"This appearance has humorously been compared to actor Mr. T"
"Jenova shares its trait as a cosmic world-consuming threat with the character Lavos, from the Square Co., Ltd. developed game Chrono Trigger."
We make comments about similarities to other characters in other places without any official confirmation (okay the Barret example is less valid than I once thought it was since apparently Nomura acknowledged it). 23:21, February 11, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I understand that we can't say its 'officially an homage' until we get word that it is, but it is pretty much objective that the two characters look almost EXACTLY ALIKE. Isn't this worth mentioning even as trivia 'Trivia'? This wiki is filled with entries in the Trivia section that are observations from gamers that don't have 'official' backing, but they're too obvious and almost objective to miss and write off. That's like saying its not worth mentioning that the Tifa poster hidden in Xenogears because Square never came out and said; 'Hey, that's Tifa on the poster in Solaris in Xenogears', but lo and behold, the poster of Tifa is mentioned in her article here. 23:37, February 11, 2014 (UTC)
Darth Vader type villains are a villain archetype. See also Golbez and the judges in FFXII.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:30, February 12, 2014 (UTC)
Huh? Vader? Grahf from Xenogears has a similar shaped helmet with spikes on the side-- the spikes are slightly different, but both helmets have sort of like earring things descending from the spiky-side things on their helmets. I would dismiss the helmet similarities if it weren't for those things. JBed (talk) 19:01, February 12, 2014 (UTC)
Grahf from Xenogears is an allusion to Darth Vader (is secretly main character's father turned evil but now is more like a robot), as are Judge Gabranth from FFXII and Golbez from FFIV. I don't know if Gauis is directly inspired by anyone, but doubt it is specifically Grahf, as all these characters are similar villain archetype.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 19:08, February 12, 2014 (UTC)
But we're talking specifically about design, like character appearance. As I explained, the helmets have similarities that aren't shared by Vader, Gabranth, and Golbez. Even if we ignore the earring-like things, of those mentioned Gaius and Grahf have the most similar helmets, and those earring-like things make their specific connection even stronger. I don't remember ever seeing another helmet design with that idea. JBed (talk) 19:17, February 12, 2014 (UTC)
The only similarity I see is the "earrings". Otherwise Judge Ghis has a closer helmet to Grahf's surely, although no one in Final Fantasy really looks close to Grahf.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 19:33, February 12, 2014 (UTC)
I give him the nick name of Poor Man's Vader The-Real-Ironwill

Spoiler tag on appearance[edit source]

I don't really know how edit to add spoiler tags, but in appearence would be good to have one at the "In Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood..." part.

Thanks for the heads up. The way to use the spoiler tags on this wiki is to just put {{spoiler}} and {{endspoiler}} at the ends of what is a spoiler in source mode (click the arrow in the edit button).Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:54, May 2, 2019 (UTC)
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