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Started Article[]

Ive started the article, however it still needs work on some mini descriptions for the places and ive probably left off some locations. Selo 16:40, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Gaia?[]

Just wanted to ask if the FFVII world is named Gaia or not... I wrote it as such on another FFVII page and was told it was not called that. ^^; Yumino 20:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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Yumino - ♪♫~ - Talk - 20:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah, thank you much!

Seems really quite silly to me to have an article called "Gaia (Final Fantasy VII)" that literally includes the phrase "The name Gaia has never been used in any official Final Fantasy VII media". It really should just be The Planet. People use the wiki for information, and this seems like blatant misinformation to me; an invention of the North American marketing team for the sequel movie does not in any way constitute canon. 71.115.161.30 14:07, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

Edge / Healin[]

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Yumino - ♪♫~ - Talk - 02:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Should Edge and the Healin Lodge be included in this list? They never show up in the actual game--only in Advent Children.
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I think if we do include them, then the article should be retitled, at least.

Gaia, Again[]

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For good? Hopefully. DC says The Planet, CC says "planet", and BC doesn't. AC says Gaia and that's it. Not as recent as DoC.


You notice how words sometimes no longer sound like words. Planet? Sounds stupid to me.  ILHI 16:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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That's actually not true, at one point in Dirge of Cerberus, Cid says something like, "What on Gaia is going on here?!" I'm also pretty sure that it's referred to as Gaia in one of the many FFVII Ultimania guides. –168.91.16.35 20:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

GameFAQs DoC script doesn't say Gaia anywhere. It does say "Well, I'm glad you asked! I am the champion of the earth and the sky. I am the conqueror of evil. The single white rose of Wutai." Have fun with that. (BTW, it uses "The Planet" so much more)  I Lion Heart I 20:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Really? Hmm… Are you sure that script covers all the dialogue in the game and not just the main cutscenes? Because I'm pretty sure that this line of dialogue was when they were onboard the Shera, which has quite a few optional dialogue sequences in it. And as for that example you cited, notice how the word "earth" wasn't capitlized, that's because it was being used as an inproper noun to refer to the ground below. It's somewhat of a discrepancy, I know, but I've seen a lot fantasy novels and games set in different worlds use that word, nonetheless. –168.91.16.35 17:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I wasn't thinking all that much. There were probably things missed on the script: I don't know. I could probably search more.  ILHI 19:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Gaia is mentioned here: http://squarehaven.com/news/2004/05/16/E3-Final-Fantasy-VII-Advent-Children-handout-scan/

also the cliffs called Gaea Cliffs in FFVII were renamed to Gaia's Cliffs in FFVII:AC. wiki has a whole page on Gaia and Wiki usually doesn't allow things that aren't proven to be put up, so I think it is called Gaia.

Spira[]

As the references show, sadly this is true, SE set up info in X-2 with the intent to allude to a connection between FF7 and FFX. It's completely ridiculous and moronic on many levels, but it's true. However, there's no need to give that much detail on it - having the game script is particularly is entirely pointless. A short trivia blurb like "SE dropped hints in X-2 that Shinra's descendants travelled to The Planet and founded the Shinra company" would do, though not as brief. DoreikuKuroofangu 15:51, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Allude, yes, but that doesn't mean that they are the same world. In the sources posted, they are never stated to be, it's merely implied, and noted that they are connected. Jimcloud 15:53, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
This is beyond ridiculuos. FFVII and X-2 are not connected. Maybe SE was joking or thinking up a random what-if scenario. We shouldn't spread this false information. Let's just ignore this stuff. Besides Nojima is just one of the developers; he wasn't even the director or producer. Yes he said something, but no we don't have to show it. It's our responsability as a wiki to report and spread all OFFICIAL information about the FF series. False info should be removed on sight. .:. 17:39, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Nojima works as a scenario writer at SE, right? He's said they're connected, so I think his comment should be mentioned. It's up to the reader to decide how seriously they want to take it. The wiki wouldn't be complete if we don't acknowledge this at all.Keltainentoukokuu 17:46, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty he was just joking based on the interviewer's random question. We don't go around posting every develoepr's jokes in all the articles. And there's not "it's up to the readr" or whatever. Either it's official or its' not. .:. 17:49, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Also, "Kazushige Nojima left Square Enix in October 2003 and built his own company, Stellavista Ltd. Despite leaving Square Enix, he is still working at the company as a freelancer". .:. 17:50, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
It is not a joke. You can read about here: Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania FAQKeltainentoukokuu 17:58, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
The fact he's not employed by Square Enix is rather superfluous. I don't need to remind anyone that the director of the first ten main series games has left Square Enix and founded his own company.
This fact doesn't remove his credit of the development of Final Fantasy X-2's plot either. This information is solid, and should be featured as a trivia because it's canonicity is ambiguous and one-sided. Should Final Fantasy VII show evidence of Spira descent, we should add this as canon. - Henryacores^ 18:12, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
The latest FF7 Ultimania mentions it. But Ultimania is Ultimania.Keltainentoukokuu 18:16, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
"it's canonicity is ambiguous" -> No it's not. According to Drake and Keltainentoukokuu it's official. According to JimcloudCloud and me it's not official. We think differently but none of us think Nojima said something "ambiguous". Either he meant what he said or he was just joking. .:. 18:33, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
What reason is there to think he's joking? DoreikuKuroofangu 18:36, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I think it probably is official that they are "connected", but I don't think that the worlds are the same, which is what The Vagrant was going on about. Jimcloud 18:37, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
@Drake: Just ask all the fans of FF on every message board ever. The huge majority of the fandom says it's not official. .:. 18:47, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

....really? That's the argument you're going with on why this should not be considered official? The fandom says it isn't? Now you're the one who has to be joking. DoreikuKuroofangu 18:49, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

So what are you recommending. Is it real, or is it not? .:. 18:52, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
It's real. Stupid, but real. Ergo, it should be on the page. DoreikuKuroofangu 18:55, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

It was probably never too well thought-out, just that they wanted to link Farplane with the Lifestream, being a similar kind of concept. And then thought, hey then maybe we should have a character called Shinra, think what fun theories we could do with this, and just went with it.Keltainentoukokuu 19:03, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

At any rate, it's moot. Even accounting for the fact that he said it was a link, he also said in the same breath the worlds were different. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon.png BSA 19:19, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
I suggest you read stuff before commenting, as you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. No one's suggested that they're the same world, just that they're in the same universe. Kappa the Imp 21:16, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Politely speaking, I've been following this argument for a chunk of the day over multiple pages. The user who started this was, in fact, claiming they were the same world, unless I misunderstood. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon.png BSA 21:19, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
""Kazushige Nojima: '...After quitting the Gullwings, Shinra received enormous financial support from Rin, and began trying to use Vegnagun to siphon Mako Energy from the Farplane. But, he is unable to complete the system for utilizing this energy in his generation, and in the future, when traveling to distant planets becomes possible, the Shinra Company is founded on another world, or something like that....... That would happen about 1000 years after this story, I think.'"[5][6]" Kappa the Imp 22:07, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Areas[]

Shouldn't we divide the locations into the Areas used in VII. So in the Woodlands Area is the temple, Icicle Area is Icicle Inn, Modeoheim, Northern Crater, Bottom of the Sea is Sunken Gelnika,. The only drawback of this is placing areas not in the game of VII. But it makes much more sense to label things with a naming system used in the games. 79.69.200.9 13:47, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

The Planet is more than we see in VII. It's a part of the compilation, and it shouldn't be focused on just a game of it. - Henryacores^ 20:54, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
The areas are marked out clearly though. The entirety of the Norther Continent is the Icicle Area, so Great Cavern and Modeoheim are there. Banora is near Mideel, in the "Mideel Area". And despite not being mentioned, Fort Tamblin is obviously in Wutai Area. If there's one thing we can't place, it's Healen Lodge, which could either be in the Midgar Area, or the Grasslands Area. It just doesn't seem right to me referring to each continent like this, when in-game they have clear names for each part of land. 79.69.200.9 21:53, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Shape[]

Would it fair to see the map of VII resembles the UK(and Ireland)? And if it is fair to see, would it be a suitable observation to put into the article? 79.69.204.201 18:16, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't know Scotland was an island. - Henryacores^ 18:35, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
... I also didn't know that there was a long island to the left of Ireland, but that doesn't mean it doesn't look similar to the map of the UK... maybe. Eh, maybe it's just the way I see it. 79.69.204.201 20:44, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
No & no. It's an image, so people can make their own inferences. Now, if it was something particularly noteworthy & obviously not a coincidence, such as the fact that World B (Dissidia) is almost an exact copy of FFI's world, then that would be a fair point.75.206.241.221 21:22, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, It Is Gaia[]

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TBH, we figured out it was Gaia back in the days of VII, where instead it was translated as Gaea.

Yet every character in the entire series refuses to call it Gaia.

So what's the evidence it is Gaia? Some random ACVII thing and some FF article. Okay. That's proof it is called Gaia.

So what's the evidence everyone refers to it as "the Planet"? Every time in the game someone wants to refer to the Planet.

Now if we're going to use the character policy on the matter we call things what they are most commonly referred to. Why be different here when we only have two random sources vs. what everyone says in game in the entire series.

Oh, but "the Planet" isn't a name, it's just the lack of a name. Right? You could argue that. I could argue the exact opposite considering in FFVII the majority of uses in the script use "Planet" with a capital "P". 79.69.196.230 15:47, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

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2- Other than those two examples being false, being referred to as something only by specific characters doesn't count. What we're looking at here is something that is never referred to as "Gaia" (unless we're to assume "Gaea"... and even then the only character to say "Gaea" is talking about her husband on Gaea's Cliff. There's no way to tell the cliff was named that way because of the Planet even though it was).
1- That is true. Now offer a different name? I'm not saying that the Planet not being called Gaia in VII means it isn't a name for the Planet. It clearly is. But it isn't the most commonly used nor is it ever used in an official material, while we have the Planet (using a capital "P" to note it's not just being used as a generic term for a planet) which is used in the game exclusively. 79.69.196.230 16:32, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Didn't we have this exact conversation before? Actual in-game stuff overrides whatever silly official SE materials they give out (these people the same people who claim that FFX and FFVII are in continuity together, and anyway I'm pretty that was just Nojima alone talking out of his ass). Until I see Sephiroth saying "GAIA IS MINE!!!", then I oppose all moves. I mean, really, should I take the word of some annoymous technical writer hired by SE North America, or the actual games? --BlueHighwind 20:26, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, that is a point. Naming policy has always given name used in-game optimum priority. We then take note of future releases to update the name (such as Aerith), and let other official materials expand on the name (e.g.: "Strife"), but we don't let official materials retcon if there is already an official name... we'd have to wait until it is used in-game.
So what the debate comes down to is /is "the Planet" the name of the planet/.
If it isn't considered a name for the planet then "Gaia" is the most suitable name for the article because it is the only official name for the planet. If it is considered a name for the planet then "The Planet" or "Planet (Final Fantasy VII)" is most suitable (I would opt for former, as I would the same for using "The Moon" from a generic moon if a game did that).
Buuuut I think the wiki is prepared to say "the Planet" is a name for the planet. And thus is the best article name. 79.69.205.6 20:39, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
I would agree with the sentiment that we should leave all references to FFVII's planet as "The Planet", with a capital P, and only mention its actual name here on the actual page for the subject, or anywhere else where the planet's name would be specifically relevant. Everyone in the game refers to it as The Planet, and everyone playing the game will know it as such and look for it as such, and understand it as such when reading articles. Having oddly placed "Gaias" all over the wiki is confusing and just awkward to implement when everything in the game uses The Planet naming convention. The Sun and the Moon have names, too, but we never usually refer to them as such. Even the actual Wikipedia follows this general rule of use for them. The name of the article for The Sun is still The Sun, and all references to The Sun elsewhere on Wikipedia are still the The Sun, despite it having the technically proper name of Sol. I say we follow their example, and leave The Planet alone. Espritduo (talk) 01:40, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
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Who actually played the game and thought The Planet was called The Planet? I did. And still do. When everyone in the game calls it Planet with a capital P, that's what you assume it is called. And I am sorry the wiki is clogging your inbox, but this is a wiki, not an email client. Things are going to change, and when big things change, you're going to get a lot of emails if you have your notifications set up that way. Me, I didn't get a single email or message about the ordeal. Espritduo (talk) 02:05, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
It's spelled with lowercase P in Crisis Core. I've been thinking, should we change it to "planet" in Crisis Core related context, or can it be considered retconned to be spelled lowercase and change all of them, or just ignore that it's different in Crisis Core and go Planet all the way? Not really on topic, just something I've been wondering.
I don't mind going another link-a-thon if Planet/planet is the preferred name. I don't have a big opinion myself, both names look like official names to me, so I think we could even just take the one we like more.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 02:20, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
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Planet is also a correct name for it. That's why the controversy.

I would like to get confirmation on about the capitalisation of Planet regardless of what name the article gets, because at least according to Omega Report it is also lowercase in Dirge of Cerberus. Can it be considered that the spelling has been revised?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 02:31, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

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Hmm I have to say I never thought of it in the way of placeholder names getting capitalised. I also just thought it's just called the Planet. Like Earth is called Earth, but it also means like ground or soil.Keltainentoukokuu(talk) 02:47, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

"I have my notifications set up that way to intercept incorrect edits" - that's very humble of you. Anyways, Neo, I think you forgot to follow your talk bubble, seeing how the timestamp thingy doesn't work. Just fyi. --Shockstorm (talk) 02:57, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

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The problem I have is that The Planet is how it is called in game, repeatedly, and how anyone talking about the game would refer to it and has referred to it. It's the commonly used term AND it is still correct. I don't have a problem with the actual page for The Planet being called Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), but I do have a problem with going through and changing every reference to the very commonly used and universally known and understood "The Planet" on the wiki to a much lesser known and confusing "Gaia". Again, I point to the actual wikipedia. Despite Sol being the technical term for the Sun, the article is called Sun, and it is called Sun everywhere else on the wikipedia, because that is the common usage, and is still correct. A Final Fantasy related example might be Steiner. His name is Adelbert Steiner. And yet, because the game refers to him by his last name instead of his first name 99% of the time, so too, does the wiki. If one official article came out that called him just Adelbert for whatever reason, would we go through the trouble of changing all Steiners everywhere to Adelbert? The wiki should follow the most common naming conventions of the games. An official, but little-known and little-used name for something should not trump the name that is actually used 99% of the time, and is just as a official.
As far as Crisis Core and DoC...I honestly can't remember the way they work with The Planet, but like FFVII proper, articles dealing with the Planet should conform to the way the game treats it. If it's capitalized in CC and DoC, then keep it capitalized on their pages. If it's not, then don't. Honestly, because CC and DoC could simply be using the word planet in the sense of the common, non-proper usage of the word, it's hard to say what they "officially" call the FFVII world in those games.Espritduo (talk) 03:08, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
(dude you destroyed some posts that were here earlier by posting this response, I hope it wasn't on purpose. please put them back <3)Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 03:16, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
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So uh...you agree with me, then? What you just said is exactly what I was going for. Boy, I wish all arguments ended like this! (and I have no idea how I deleted those posts when I posted my own comment. I put them back as best I could. Sorry!) Espritduo (talk) 04:57, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

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"As much as I feel that these arguments for "The Planet" boil down to personal preference"

Really? Considering that "Gaia" is used in only the two most obscurest of places, completely way away from the game... it's nothing to do with personal preference. 79.69.206.122 18:34, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

I feel readers will think there has been a mixup with FFIX if they see just Gaia as it is in an article in reference to the planet of FFVII. Slightly clearer version would be something like "the planet of Gaia" (the Planet of Gaia?) the first time mentioning.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:02, August 3, 2012 (UTC)EDIT: To clarify, I think it should be called planet in articles when the context is from the characters'/players' point of view, but you could slip in that the planet's true name is Gaia the first time you mention it.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:07, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

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"The planet is not a proper name"

Except FFVII refers to it that way. 79.69.206.122 00:44, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

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It's not VII vs. the Compilation because no where in the VII universe does anyone call it Gaia.

They call it the "planet" though. And they go to extensive measures to call it that and only that. 79.69.206.122 00:49, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

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I said this earlier but I'll say it again:

Naming policy goes like this:

  • We take the name from a release (a game, film, novella, etc.)
  • We update the name if it is changed in a later release. (e.g. Aerith)
  • We add to the name if it is added to in any other media. (e.g. Strife, or "Mateus")
  • We DO NOT change the name if it is given a different name in other media, we simply mention it as an alternate name.

In summary, the Mateus example adds to an existing name (or lack thereof).

Planet doesn't just mean "this planet is a planet". They refer to in a way like we refer to our moon as "the moon". It's technical name is "Luna" I believe, but no one cares for that. On Earth, we refer to the Earth as Earth. We may sometimes say "our planet", but we say "the planet", I would say although someone is bound to argue this, far less. 79.69.206.122 01:06, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

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That same quiz also says Shinra's major military base is Junon. Which is probably true but could anyone really guess that in one?

Drake, I'm not denying that Square have called it Gaia.

But what it all comes down to in the end is policy.

I will happily have the page be moved when any of these other games call it "Gaia". I would even willfully let it happen if a game like Theatrhythm said it. I wouldn't be happy (not really until a member of the VII series called it that), but I wouldn't complain. I would still complain if we had our articles butchered by saying that enemy's are fought "Inside the Planet leading to Gaia's Core".

But anyway....

"Alright, I'm convinced you're just a troll. You've rejected every explanation, solution, or compromise offered just to cling to this ridiculous non-point."

I haven't even commented on any solutions/comprimises.

And I've also argued against things others have said.

But what it all comes down to is policy.

And I've already stated policy, and policy is moving it back to its former location.

Really, there has been no new info since this was last discussed.

And as Drake says, obscurity of source doesn't matter.

We've known SE have called it "Gaia" in the past. That's why this article still gave it as an alternate name.

But just because we now have more sources doesn't change policy. Not until it's used in an official release.

I haven't gone through the "Case of X" novellas, so maybe it says it in one of those. 79.69.206.122 01:26, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's in the novellas. Should we revise the naming policy that things be called what their true official name is? Even if FFVII calls it the Planet it doesn't appear it's meant to be a proper noun (unlike I originally thought it was; FFVII also capitalises a lot of terms later FFs and Compilation do not, like "chocobo"), and having the "the" in the article name always looked kinda bad. Gaea is mentioned in FFVII although it's not obvious that it refers to the name of the world.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 02:21, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
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Official materials (Final Fantasy VII) says "the Planet".

Dudes, you can argue how "Gaia" is the name as much as you want. The name Gaia has been around for ages, arguably since 1997, and yet they've never once used it in any official release (bar Gaea's Cliffs, in which there is no evidence that they meant it as the name of the Planet). Characters will instead refer to it as "planet"/"the Planet" with little exception.

When we get the new VII PC (which I hope they revise the translation for) we'll likely see yet again another release where characters only refer to the planet as "the planet".

"Even if FFVII calls it the Planet it doesn't appear it's meant to be a proper noun"

In what way is it not? It 'is used as a proper-noun in the way "Moon" is a proper-noun to us.

Neo, the policy is official names in other materials do take precedence over official names in official releases.

Whatever, if you want to call this article Gaia, go ahead. Just don't butcher articles by referring to the planet in this way.

IMO, the way we should do it is only refer to the planet as Gaia when referring to the planet as a whole. I.e. Jenova fell down to Gaia in a meteorite(?) two thousand(?) years ago ---and--- The lifestream of the planet.

And it's "Planet's Core", not "Gaia's Core". Even Dissidia calls it that. 79.69.203.227 15:39, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

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And the other source? Jimcloud 16:01, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
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Edit conflict
  1. Seifer's surname is correct.
  2. That's intentional. I assume they were avoiding spoilers of some kind (either to hide the connection with Krile or to only reveal what is originally revealed about the character (he only remembers his first name)). 79.69.203.227 16:12, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

I should mention that "Galuf Doe" has been used quite a few times in the various Japanese guides from back when the game was first released. It depends on how he is being listed. If it's a basic bio that appears towards the beginning of the book, they call him Doe. If it's the more in-depth guides that tend not to care about spoilers, then they give him the full Baldesion. That sounds naughty. Espritduo (talk) 17:22, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


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Solar System[]

I think it should be noted that during Sephiroths' Supernova, the meteor(comet?) enters the Milky Way, crashes through OUR planets (named during the sequence) + the sun, then strikes the party on the third planet. There's probably a good argument there to call the planet Earth, but I'd rather stay away from that mess.202.56.45.16 17:02, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Another place where you can see the solar system is in Bugenhagen's planetarium (ObservatoryHG.jpg). I should think these are abstractions however. I'd put the similarity to our solar system in the trivia section.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 20:14, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Gameplay section[]

It doesn't seem the best idea to move FFVII world map info to here when Gaia is used for other games than just FFVII. Also, what about non-world map gameplay, those also also in Gaia.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 21:40, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

"Gameplay of Final Fantasy VII" article would be good, and cover field module, battle module, and world map modules. There was talk about creating such articles for each game, but it's a big project to do. The Gaia article could then link to Gameplay of FFVII, Gameplay of Crisis Core, etc. (though realistically it'd be hard to find people to write them for the more obscure games).Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 21:54, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

The FFVII planet has no canon name[]

Apologies for any mistakes I make in trying out the "Talk" feature, as I am not familiar with wiki editing or wiki threads.

All the research I have done confirms that the name "Gaia" originated as an error by the Square Enix NA marketing department, perpetuated by the fans and then continued on by the North American SE marketing because they use fan wikis as a source.

See article: https://thelifestream.net/canon-of-ffvii/what-is-the-name-of-ffviis-planet/

"Gaia" is never coined as the planet's name in-universe nor does it appear in ANY official Japanese material. Because of this, I would like to see all references to "Gaia", as the supposed name of FFVII's planet, removed from the FF wiki, apart from references to how the error was born and kept alive.

The most recent example is in the product pages for an FF7-style business card holder. The English page mentions "Gaia" but the Japanese page does not. NA: https://store.na.square-enix-games.com/en_US/product/482617/final-fantasy-vii-business-card-holder-shinra-company JP: http://store.jp.square-enix.com/item/MFF700071.html

Only when the FF wiki is adjusted in this regard will the erroneous name "Gaia" disappear from Square's NA marketing pages.——Preceding unsigned comment was added by Shademp (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.

Looking at the talk page, this has been debated for years. I'm in favor of moving the page to Planet (Final Fantasy VII), and renaming "Gaia" to "Planet" in any instances on other pages. As for mentions about the name "Gaia" as an error, they belong in a creation and development subsection with appropriate sources, as well as a name in the top of the article with references next to it. While I wouldn't say other material is worthless, I'm fine with treating it as secondary when it comes to the name of the page.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 16:40, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
Since it's repeatedly being called Gaia in official English materials, it is an official English name. There are reasons for/against calling this page "Planet (Final Fantasy VII)" or "Gaia (Final Fantasy VII)", primarily that it has never been used in an FFVII-series game. If it's an error perpetuated by SE themselves, it is no longer an error. JBed (talk) 18:48, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
Yeah... even if the NA marketing team made a mistake, they're SE staffs, therefore they turned it into an official name. Monterossa (talk) 23:58, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
Agreed with JBed and Monty. While the name may not appear in Japanese materials, this does not mean the name is invalid. The Japanese games do not give specific names to Summoned Beasts, but I don't see us moving those pages.
Also, the insinuation that the FFWiki somehow contributed to SE adopting it as the English name, and/or that us abandoning it could somehow convince them do follow suit, is ludicrous. DrakeyC (talk) 03:55, July 2, 2018 (UTC)
I agree with all the above, even if I feel like it may still make sense to treat "Gaia" as a secondary name mentioned at the top, rather than the primary name of the page. However, I do agree that given how it is now an official name/it's disingenuous to say that the wiki dropping the name would somehow stop SE from continuing a "mistake" (which btw started before this page was renamed) that there is no urgency to do so as the OP suggests.
I propose waiting until the Remake drops (i.e. never ever) to see if we should do anything.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 06:27, July 2, 2018 (UTC)
It is sort of in the game as "Gaea's Cliff", Japanese version also. If the mountain is said to be impassable (Holzoff says something like that I think) that could be like the edge of Gaia or the edge of the world. Though maybe SE marketing is/was using "Gaia" to avoid confusion with Earth for people who have not played it since it has a pretty modern day look, especially Advent Children.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 14:39, July 2, 2018 (UTC)

Remake Name[]

Now that the Remake has come out, and the term "Gaia" is nowhere to be found, can we agree that "The Planet" is and always was the canon name? The comparisons to Espers and the World of Balance/Ruin don't hold up, as both of those terms have actually appeared in official Final Fantasy media, whereas "Gaia" has never, ever been used by anyone but marketers to refer to anything in FFVII other than the Cliffs area. I think it's time we switch back to what it always should have been. 71.115.161.30 14:11, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

If we rename this page (and we probably should), it'd be "Planet (Final Fantasy VII)" (you don't include "The" in page titles), while Gaia is mentioned as a name occasionally referred to in marketing material.
Given how it has only ever been referred to as the Planet in the official media, I believe "Planet (Final Fantasy VII)" is a more logical name, whereas "Gaia" can be treated as a secondary name occasionally used in marketing material.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 15:36, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
The dilemma here is that the reason we're in this situation is because the wiki doesn't consider "planet" a name for the planet, while the planet has officially been named "Gaia" on numerous occasions. Plenty of FF games use Hoshi to refer to the planet while also having an actual name. Therefore there isn't much pathway to renaming the page.
"Gaia" not being used in Remake doesn't change much. The name "Gaia" came about before even AC was released, and wasn't used in any of the following VII games. The FFATB (officially used in a game) and FFVII trophy (officially used (sorta) in FFVII media) situations actually occurred after the initial decision to name the page "Gaia", so there's only been more reason to support for the original decision.
So it just requires the wiki to come to a different decision than it did all those years ago.
Something that might put the nail in the coffin is if there was some sort of datalog with an entry for the planet. If the World Preview book used it as a title it could resolve this. JBed (talk) 15:50, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

Not sure we have an update on the World Preview situation...

Unless a source is provided, I am going to rename the page "Planet (Final Fantasy VII)" tomorrow, on the grounds that no citation is provided. Per Project:Verifiability, we require that everything be verified, attributable, and that readers and editors can track the original source. The current page fails these tests, you need to go to the talk page of this page to even find where the name Gaia comes from, and even then, it is all vague references to "marketing material" and nothing concrete.

This page either needs citations pointing to the name "Gaia" (which is dubious btw, there's no way marketing material has more weighting as a source), or it needs to be renamed "Planet (Final Fantasy VII)" instead. That said, VII Remake does not capitalize "Planet" as the original does, and as such, this page (and references to the planet name) should not.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 17:31, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

What you talkin' 'bout? The page gives several examples. Don't use technicalities to exert your will. JBed (talk) 18:24, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
If you're referring to the Name section in Behind the scenes, its sole link is a link to a dead website (which redirects back to the Square Enix front page), mentions "promotional materia for Advent Children" without a single citation pointing to them, and even opens the section by admitting "oh btw it's never actually called this in official media lol."
So on the grounds of zero citations, incorrect sourcing, the fact that Gaia is a secondary name at best, and the fact that the most recent source contradicts the name, it should be "Planet (Final Fantasy VII)" with notes to mention that it is occasionally referred to as Gaia, perhaps erroneously.
Of course, none of this should matter to begin with because we should simply be using the most commonly recognized name anyway.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 18:47, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
Nah mate. All of the instances listed under the Name section is all we had when we made the decision to name this page "Gaia". No matter what your reasons, you can't just overturn it without finding a new consensus. JBed (talk) 18:52, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
I say let the name remain Gaia, since it is the name given in supplementary materials usually. We already have a few other worlds in the series on this wiki that were originally not named in their games and use the names given to them from supplementary and side titles of the series. Examples being World A, Earth (Final Fantasy IV), and Planet R. Just my two cents here. --Miphares (talk) 19:15, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

Correct citations means there is no longer grounds to rename the page on that, but we should establish new consensus:

The difference between supplemental material in the examples provided is that they are all updates to the original source material, i.e. They all came after their original game. We have the most up-to-date source calling it "planet", consistently, and never referring to it as "Gaia". Not only has "Gaia" never been used as the name in official material that gets primary weighting as a source (outside of a trophy, which is a really dubious source as to canonicity), it has not been used in the latest material, that simply refers to it as the "planet".

The most commonly recognized and full name should be used, i.e. "planet". Any name that came from supplemental material should be treated as a secondary name.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 20:47, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

The opposing argument is that "planet" is not really a name for the planet. Final Fantasy VIII also refers to its planet in the same way (although on much fewer occasions), and that article remains Final Fantasy VIII world. In fact, 星 has been used to refer to the planet at other times of the series, such as XV, where the planet also has the actual name of Eos.
The argument for "planet" would have been stronger if they'd kept it capitalised because then we could point to the "Sun" and the "Moon". The argument for "Gaia" is primarily one against "planet". The argument believes that this article would be named "Final Fantasy VII world" if a proper name did not exist elsewhere.
But lo "Gaia". Gaia is an actual name for the planet used in western marketing by Square Enix. We may have been able to ignore an Advent Children pamphlet, but they kept using it, even as an answer to "What is the planet's name?" on a Hangman like people were supposed to know. The straw that broke the camel's back was its use in FFATB where they translated the term 星 to "Gaia", but the straws kept piling when they later used it as a trophy name for FFVII itself.
In a case similar to World A, it is a name of the planet that none of its residents use. JBed (talk) 21:11, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
This would be an acceptable argument if any of those are up-to-date, official, canon sources within the FFVII series, which none of them are. Since none of the sources for the name "Gaia" are official, it can only be considered an alternative name for the planet.
The page name "Planet (Final Fantasy VII)" still works to say "The planet (as seen in Final Fantasy VII)". We can use this unless Bugenhagen in FFVII R part 2 calls it "Gaia"...--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 21:26, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
Any source officially from Square Enix is an "official source". Any official source can provide an official name and become the page title when one is absent elsewhere. The Worlds of Balance and Ruin are never named as such in-game, but these were the terms used on official maps that came with the game's guides (though more places now). "Gaia" is used numerous times.
And the side against naming the page Gaia has tended to be one about goalpost moving. "One obscure source is not enough", "It doesn't matter how many times its used, it should at least be used in an actual game", "it might be used in a game, but it's just a mobile game unconnected to VII", "it might be a trophy that appears when playing the game, but technically that's not in the game".
FFVII PS4 was 2015. Xbox didn't offer us the same in 2019 thanks to it not having a Platinum equivalent, but the official Final Fantasy youtube channel gave us a modern example of Square themselves not letting this die. This notebook released in 2020 has a map of Gaia inside.
This is an ideological disagreement. As I pointed out, "Planet (Final Fantasy VII)" is not something we offer other games such as Final Fantasy VIII world. We don't consider it a name. JBed (talk) 21:51, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
There's no real goalpost moving: it's not a commonly used or recognized name, it's not used in an official game within the series, and its place in canon is thus still dubious at best. None of these things have changed over the past ten years... Until they do (as per the Bugenhagen example), the name "Gaia (Final Fantasy VII)" remains an erroneous name that the wiki will continue to receive (well-deserved) outside criticism for.
p.s. would have no problem with "Planet (Final Fantasy VIII)" for the same reason we have "Earth (Final Fantasy IV)": it's a term within the game('s universe) and still applies as an article title.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 22:02, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
If a planet that has no name in lore needs to refer to itself, it's going to call itself "the planet". It's pretty weak if one instance of someone having to refer to their planet generically is enough for us to consider it canon name. I think a lot of games instead probably refer to their worlds as 世界 "world". So I guess "World (FFX)" will be fine in any game that this happens to happen.
People always have problems with products of localisation and marketing because it's "not proper canon". Square NA have been calling it Gaia for over fifteen years. In places that you would think it would never get to if they actually had any problem with it-- in places they could easily rectify if they actually had a problem with it. And I know that there are people who email them about it. The people wishing to uphold "proper canon" are the FFVII nerds. The comments of that 400K viewed YouTube video is not littered with people angry that Square said "Gaia".
We also have a bunch of anons trying to change instances of Aeris to "Aerith" in contexts pertaining to the original FFVII. We're never going to please everyone. All we can do is find a consensus. And so this discussion's going nowhere without other input. JBed (talk) 22:59, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

Since no consensus exists to rename the page to "Planet", it'll remain at Gaia. I've somewhat come around to the thinking that Gaia works as an article title just because "planet" is not really a name of the planet, and so Gaia can be used in absence of a name for it. Now hopefully Bugenhagen in a future VIIR part can just clarify this and put the issue away for good...--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 07:27, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

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