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(Techno, JBed's message a perfectly valid complaint whether you like its content or not. Please do not abuse the Revert function.)
(Thanks to everyone pushing this on my conscience, fine, here's your response, if you don't like it, I don't care. I don't spend hours working my ass off on a page for you people to make me feel like this afterwards.)
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Although this isn't exactly your fault, the uses of refbook are also wrong because they were never designed for anything besides official FF books. Because when would we ever use another book for a source about video games? Well it looks like you found that case. The citing information for refbook is designed to be minimal because data about the book is theoretically on our page about it, and also since there's a whitelist no one can be confused about what book we're talking about. [[User:JBed|JBed]] ([[User talk:JBed|talk]]) 03:56, October 19, 2015 (UTC)
 
Although this isn't exactly your fault, the uses of refbook are also wrong because they were never designed for anything besides official FF books. Because when would we ever use another book for a source about video games? Well it looks like you found that case. The citing information for refbook is designed to be minimal because data about the book is theoretically on our page about it, and also since there's a whitelist no one can be confused about what book we're talking about. [[User:JBed|JBed]] ([[User talk:JBed|talk]]) 03:56, October 19, 2015 (UTC)
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:Geez, if this is your idea of a constructive message, I really want to know your idea of unconstructive.
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:Yes, I didn't archive the page while adding the citation is shown. Several reasons. The first and what should be obvious is that I have no clue how to do it, tons of random instructions but I have never been shown correctly. The second and third are the more important reasons. I've worked with source templates on several wikis before - Wikipedia, J&D wiki to name a few - and '''not one of them''' has required anything like this, so not only do I not know what I'm doing, I don't know why I'm doing it. If the closest archival is shown...what's the big problem? If '''there is an archive shown''', why create another useless one for no purpose? And why, oh why, should we genuinely worry about archives when the site works? If the archived sites go down all of a sudden, '''then''' I'm going to look up the most recent archive, and '''then''' I'm going to worry about fixing the access date. Several wikis don't even bother doing that, they assume the user will just know if there was once a site then the reference was probably fine, so honestly expecting this on this wiki is just stupid.
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:Yes, I used refwebsite on a website containing the video and not on the video itself. You know why? Because the site's page '''already contains the script and several tags on the page proving that it was mentioned'''. So is it fair to just force someone to use refvideo to gain a 20 second audio clip or whatever completely out of context when they have no video recording or video editing software on Linux, when they can easily just use refwebsite to give people the same information? I don't know what world you live in where it is.
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:And now my final point: if I genuinely wasn't concerned with accuracy, do you '''really''' think I'd go through those lengths to do my own research and find 86 sources if I '''wasn't''' concerned about accuracy? I don't think many people on the site do use these templates, or even reference much at all, which honestly leads me to believe you're only doing this to be a piece of shit, no one else is held to these same standards and there was no reason to post such a huge, unconstructive rant about it or try to make it a big enough deal that the whole wiki will notice if you weren't just doing this to make me look bad as you possibly could, over really the most trivial and stupid reason I can possibly think of, it's really pathetic.
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:Or if I'm going to entertain the reason that maybe, JUST MAYBE, you were being constructive, then how about, gee I dunno, doing some of it yourself. Even if it's just one time, "here, here's how you do it! Now do the other 85 like that!", that's still better than any of this useless whining here. I'm sorry I'm more concerned with actually writing the content (which took me freaking hours to do, btw) and making sure that's right than worrying about insignificant things that no other wiki requires anyone to worry about, if you think they're so important, then either do it yourself, or explain to me WITHOUT the stupid belittling and maybe I'll consider it. Until then, if you're going to use the "if you're too lazy (not an excuse)" on me...follow your own bloody argument.
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:Go away.--{{User:Technobliterator/Talk}} 16:19, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

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waffle

There's a whole lot of waffle here that I think could do with removing, as it will end up being put into the articles of their respective games eventually. For example, the details on what each game added to the series. I'm not sure if I should delete it outright or wait until it's integrated elsewhere. --Hob 21:30, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Go ahead, i don't think we need a summary of each game on here either. It definitly needs some cleaning up... --Shane613 15:57, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Umm... I'm not exactly sure how you want to handle this. It seems to have almost everything you wanna know about FFXI.  :/ --Mikru 17:06, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

well ours is different, we are covering ALL the Final Fantasy series, they are focusing only on one game... --Shane613 20:48, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Fans don't appreciate it enough. --Auron Kaizer 17:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

this wikia focus on 1 player game. We should create 1 article explain about FFXI in general, but we put link into FFXIonline.wikia.com if the reader want to read and have info about them.
and i read some text and realise this page must split into 3 article.. because the content are to long. if you don't mind.. please erase the wikipedia tag there. --User:Landavia 01:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

A) We have created 1 article explaining about FFXI in general - we even have articles on its expansion packs. The link you gave was an invalid wikia. B) Without detailing what the 3 article split is, sorry, the article is fine the way it is. C) If anyone can fix what the templates asks to fix, it can be removed. But not without. Bluer 04:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Mixed responses?

Which aspects of Final Fantasy XII specifically received mixed responses? The game as a whole received a majority of critical acclaim, so I'm not sure what's trying to be said. Chocotard 19:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Bahamut FF1 Animado
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BlueHighwind TA

Final Fantasy XIV announced

A fourteenth game in the franchise was recently officially announced at E3 at the Sony conference. It's gonna be an MMORPG and will take place in the same word as XI. Kaihedgie 19:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Like all but two users are screaming right now. Shit.  ILHI 19:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I bet the XI fans are happy… ScatheMote 19:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Who said it was in Vana'diel? I read that they only said it was an MMO and didn't spill further details. Master Conjurer 20:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Uch, what a terrible day for me and 99.9% of all the editors and visitors to this website. None of us will ever care about this for more than the fact that it holds a title that could be used for a better game. --BlueHighwind 20:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

But wait!

This article states that the original Final Fantasy might have been Square's last game if it didn't sell; but Hironobu Sakaguchi's article states that it was just meant to be 'his last game. WarxePBIconWarxePB 15:23, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

It apparently wasn't, eh? Fallen-Todesengel 07:34, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Bigs and wedge

Aren't they in FFIV too as airship operators?

Yes, but only in the sense of Cid--they weren't identified until The After Years. The names "Biggs" and "Wedge" do not appear in FF4 at any point, in any version. Two nameless NPCs were retroactively dubbed that in the sequel. Dazuro 11:08, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Could this happen?

~Is there by any chance Square-Enix will release the "Original" Nes versions of Final Fantasy II and III as well as V on the Wii Virtual Console as import titles?

I was hoping they would do it right after "I" but they put up the "AMERICAN II" so it would kind of tricky having two games with the same title. (Sigh.... when they put "IV" up why did they have to go backwards and call it II again? That was what Square intended to destroy when they brought out VII)

Moogleknight24 12:40, April 6, 2011 (UTC)Moogleknight24

Total number of games?

The page states: "fourteen games have been released as part of the main (numbered) series, and twenty-eight games in total, including spin-offs and sequels, have been released in the franchise." Where did the number 28 come from?


Counting up from Template:Series:

14 mainline games

12 sequels and spin-offs

5 additional games under the Compilation of FF7 banner

8 additional games under the Ivalice banner (not counting the FFT remake as a separate game)

1 games under the Fabula Nova Crystallis banner (2 if we count the TBA Versus XIII)

6 games from the Crystal Chronicle sub-franchise

9 games from the Chocobo sub-franchise (not counting the cancelled Battle de Chocobo)


By my math (which could very well be wrong, I'm not familiar with a lot of the games listed there, several of which are Japan-only cell phone games), that comes out to 55 games.

Unless anyone objects, I'll change "28" to "55." Alpha5099 (talk) 07:57, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Good call. Maybe we don't need to mention the number of spin-offs, it might just be confusing what counts and some games are Japan-only etc... I'd mention just 14 mainseries games and numerous sequels and spin-offs and subseries.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:47, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
True, the total number of FF games might not be especially pertinent information, although I could see if having some use just for trivia's sake (that's how I came to count 'em all up, I wanted to know how many games there were and the info here was inadequate).
As I see it, we either have to count every single game, no matter how trivial (heck, there's a Flash game among the various Ivalice titles), or not provide a number at all. Otherwise we're just back to an arbitrary number like 28; no doubt someone decided which games "really" count when they wrote down that number, but their logic in that matter is entirely inscrutable. Alpha5099 (talk) 04:25, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
I'm also guessing the number was counted a while ago.
The number of games within our scope differs from the total number of games. We cover Vagrant Story and Dive II Hunt, Crystal Defenders, and Vanguard Storm because they're Ivalice but none of them are Final Fantasy. The Choco Series also isn't technically Final Fantasy.
And the Legend series also isn't technically Final Fantasy. But some would say it is. And it's not even on that template, even though we technically give it coverage (there was discussion that said we should cover it because people would expect a game with "Final Fantasy" in its name to be covered here).
It's debatable. I think if people want to count the games we should give them our the list and let them reach a number themselves. JBed (talk) 12:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Theres a whole load of garbage on this page. terra is not the protagonist of ff6... in fact you are not even forced to recruit her. there are massive amounts of spoilers for each game and really a lot of this stuff is unfit for a wiki


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Dualism

Do we seriously need to list literally every instance of dualism throughout the series? Can we just shove that into a separate page on the theme of Dualism and summarize it here? What we have is seriously bloated. Then again, I do want to rewrite this page drastically, from looking at it...will just need to think of a layout.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 01:25, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

This article hasn't got a big edit for a while, so who ever wants to take it up... I'd give free reign to change anything if someone wants to remodel this.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 01:56, September 27, 2015 (UTC)
I should probably rewrite the whole thing from scratch in a sandbox and then add it here. I don't want to lose information, though, so I think making a page on dualism would still be a good idea.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 02:07, September 27, 2015 (UTC)
Story element analysis articles are fun to write and read and I would like to see them, but there's always the thing of the content being subjective. There's also Religious Allusions in Final Fantasy and Nihilism and the most relevantest flower symbolism article that I didn't really know how to name (lol) at Flower (Symbolism). If there'd room for more articles like this maybe they could have a category or some kind of grouping like that.
Would like to see what you come up with for a rewrite though!Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 02:29, September 27, 2015 (UTC)
Split into Dualism page. I'm beginning rewrite here. Jimcloud's helping me by peer-reviewing the page, but if you'd like to help out, Kelt (you're good at this stuff too), and if anyone else has any suggestions before it goes live, I'd love to hear it!--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 02:43, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Sources

If you're not going to go through the proper process when citing is there even any point in using the templates? Because unflagged invalid uses of the templates are worse than not using the templates--it's not immediately noticeable that they're cited wrong.

If you don't archive the page at the same time as you add the citation, I can tell because the date of the closest archival is shown to me. If someone does it later it only causes a significant mismatch in the dates, which should then require an updating of the given time. Tildes don't render inside ref tags so it's easiest for the person who archives the page to do it properly when they add it.

Aaaand don't cite videos with refwebsite when you know it won't archive the video. Even if you were too lazy to record the evidence (not an excuse), you could at least get the timestamps when you're acquiring the information. If you're just avoiding the error, there's an error for a reason.

Although this isn't exactly your fault, the uses of refbook are also wrong because they were never designed for anything besides official FF books. Because when would we ever use another book for a source about video games? Well it looks like you found that case. The citing information for refbook is designed to be minimal because data about the book is theoretically on our page about it, and also since there's a whitelist no one can be confused about what book we're talking about. JBed (talk) 03:56, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Geez, if this is your idea of a constructive message, I really want to know your idea of unconstructive.
Yes, I didn't archive the page while adding the citation is shown. Several reasons. The first and what should be obvious is that I have no clue how to do it, tons of random instructions but I have never been shown correctly. The second and third are the more important reasons. I've worked with source templates on several wikis before - Wikipedia, J&D wiki to name a few - and not one of them has required anything like this, so not only do I not know what I'm doing, I don't know why I'm doing it. If the closest archival is shown...what's the big problem? If there is an archive shown, why create another useless one for no purpose? And why, oh why, should we genuinely worry about archives when the site works? If the archived sites go down all of a sudden, then I'm going to look up the most recent archive, and then I'm going to worry about fixing the access date. Several wikis don't even bother doing that, they assume the user will just know if there was once a site then the reference was probably fine, so honestly expecting this on this wiki is just stupid.
Yes, I used refwebsite on a website containing the video and not on the video itself. You know why? Because the site's page already contains the script and several tags on the page proving that it was mentioned. So is it fair to just force someone to use refvideo to gain a 20 second audio clip or whatever completely out of context when they have no video recording or video editing software on Linux, when they can easily just use refwebsite to give people the same information? I don't know what world you live in where it is.
And now my final point: if I genuinely wasn't concerned with accuracy, do you really think I'd go through those lengths to do my own research and find 86 sources if I wasn't concerned about accuracy? I don't think many people on the site do use these templates, or even reference much at all, which honestly leads me to believe you're only doing this to be a piece of shit, no one else is held to these same standards and there was no reason to post such a huge, unconstructive rant about it or try to make it a big enough deal that the whole wiki will notice if you weren't just doing this to make me look bad as you possibly could, over really the most trivial and stupid reason I can possibly think of, it's really pathetic.
Or if I'm going to entertain the reason that maybe, JUST MAYBE, you were being constructive, then how about, gee I dunno, doing some of it yourself. Even if it's just one time, "here, here's how you do it! Now do the other 85 like that!", that's still better than any of this useless whining here. I'm sorry I'm more concerned with actually writing the content (which took me freaking hours to do, btw) and making sure that's right than worrying about insignificant things that no other wiki requires anyone to worry about, if you think they're so important, then either do it yourself, or explain to me WITHOUT the stupid belittling and maybe I'll consider it. Until then, if you're going to use the "if you're too lazy (not an excuse)" on me...follow your own bloody argument.
Go away.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 16:19, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
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