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HUGE database of items available at ShirtNinjas.com. (Leaving all search fields empty results in list of all items.) --Atlantima 15:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I know that this page isn't anywhere near finished, but I need to go to bed now. Hopefully categorizing the game's absolutely massive list of items should break things into manageable chunks. Some subcategories are missing but I'm too tired now to think of them. At some point this page will be large enough to need to be broken down into subpages. Right now, it helps give Final Fantasy fans who have never played FF11 a sense of the game's sheer scale and complexity.Hashmalum (talk) 10:09, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

m(_ _)m. i gotta hand it to you. this woulda been something I wouldn't go near even with a stick. good choice to stick to categories. So far, 3 questions which might help. 1) Where would Beastmen-made items (those that are only used for desynth) fall under? 2) Would it be better to say One-use or Consumable items? 3) Quick Shot cards? That being said I really like the categorization. Makes it much clearer, especially for someone who plays. --Arciele Spira (talk) 15:44, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Always good to see my work is appreciated. And of course having a workable categorization is absolutely necessary for this page to be even remotely viable. Anyway, as to your questions: 1) Desynthesis is a subcategory of synthesis, so beast-made items would appear under the appropriate craft. Of course like any craft ingredient there are still ambiguities; Gigas Socks, for example, can be used in both alchemy (fire crystal -> poison dust) and clothcraft (lightning crystal -> wool thread). In this particular case I'd say that as an item made from cloth, they'd be under clothcraft. 2) I guess "consumable" would be better, as "one-use" could also mean that they have only one possible use. 3) Subcategory of Job Consumables.Hashmalum (talk) 06:56, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the initiative to start this article, I know it will be a massive undertaking. I haven't had too much time to spend on the wiki lately, but if you need any help with this (perhaps populating specific sections?) please let me know. —JustAnotherJosh talk 02:01, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Item NamesEdit

For the purpose of this article, how should we handle names for items that use one name in the item's description box and another shortened or abbreviated name in the inventory list due to the game's character limit? With abbreviations like "Estq. Seal: Hn." it was fairly obvious to me that we should go with the full name "Estoqueur's Seal: Hands" as the character limit isn't really an issue in the article and the full name is more likely to be understood by readers. But what about instances of shortened names? For example, should we go with Prize Powder or Pinch of Prize Powder? Wool Grease or Jug of Wool Grease? Firaga or Scroll of Firaga?

I'm sure you get the idea. Up to this point I've been using the full name from the item's description wherever possible, but I figured we might save ourselves some trouble by discussing this now rather than later. Also, while I'm posting: so far I've been listing items alphabetically, but in situations where there's a more intuitive way to organize things, can we agree that it would be a good idea to do so? Ex. Listing the Cardian Cards numerically (Two → Three → Four) instead of alphabetically (Ace → Eight → Five). —JustAnotherJosh talk 02:19, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

I'd go with full names. Thats the approach I took with the weapon lists. Stuff like Fourth Toporok -> Fourth Division Toporok. I suppose thats an easier choice than 'Flask of Echo Drops' and 'Pot of Silent Oil'. I would still go with the full names, but having some way to demark the shortened name would be nice. like.. something to denote what the shortform item name would be if its different. if its the same, no biggie. maybe something like these?
  • flask of Poison Potion
  • flask of Poison Potion
  • flask of Poison Potion
  • Flask of Poison Potion
I don't think manual of style says anything about format of list pages. and on another note.. considering the sheer volume of the list of items.. i think we need to use subpages to break them into more accessible chunks. can use the headers that you guys are already using.. like Medicines, Job Consumables, Food, etc. --Arciele Spira (talk) 03:48, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
Hashmalum's done the bulk of the work on this project so far, so I'd like to wait for him/her to weigh in on this before making any big changes, but I completely agree with you about breaking this up into subpages. I'd be okay with denoting the shortform name of an item somehow so long as it didn't sacrifice readability (some sections might require this for literally every item, and I worry that a list of 100+ items could be hard on the eyes if we use too much formatting). How would you recommend doing this for items that both abbreviate a word and omit others in the shortform? For example, 'Jug of Danicing Herbal Broth' being 'D. Herbal Broth'.
  • jug of Dancing Herbal Broth
  • jug of Dancing Herbal Broth
  • jug of Dancing Herbal Broth
  • Jug of Dancing Herbal Broth
  • Jug of Dancing Herbal Broth
  • Jug of Dancing Herbal Broth
Just fooling around with some possibilities there, I'm sure there are many more. In most cases it looks funny to me when only certain letters of the abbreviate word are formatted, so maybe it'd be better to treat it as if it were fully present in the shorthand form? What do you guys think? —JustAnotherJosh talk 04:28, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
in cases like D. Herbal Broth, I'd just go with Dancing Herbal Broth.. because D. Herbal Broth isn't particularly illuminating, and my belief is that if the list name didn't have a character limit, it would actually be Dancing Herbal Broth. Same goes for something like Imp. Slv. Piece for Imperial Silver Piece. Stuff like " jug of / pair of / bottle of / flask of / pinch of / ponze of / etc" don't ever appear on the list tho.. so they're somewhat different. Then again, there are so many general exceptions that don't make the list (like say Moogle Storage Slip 1).. that it makes more sense to just stick with full names and not bother denoting all the various abbreviations. It might get hard to read. Case in point.
  • Imperial Silver Piece
  • Virtue Stone Pouch
at the end of the day, its important to remember the practical use of the lists. XI players won't come here to look for a list of items - they have DB and FFXIAH for that, which are far more detailed and updated directly from the dats, so they're more accurate. its therefore important to know what purpose such a list could serve here. I personally feel that most list of things on the wiki are made for the sake of making them (most people won't use it) but what this list page DOES do however, is allow the existence of such items to be brought to the notice of anyone using the wiki here.. like say someone (maybe non FFXI player) wanted to search the word "attestation" here.. this page would likely pop up.. and the header for attestation would give him a rough idea of what its used for. It's a very limited use.--Arciele Spira (talk) 06:06, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
I'd been using the short names myself (uh-oh). As for the order, I hadn't been worrying about it on account of eventually going to convert these to tables which can be sorted anyway. Eventually it would be nice to have tables with both the short form and the long form (and the item picture, game description, and actual use), but obviously that might not happen. I 'm surprised we've gotten as much done as we have actually.Hashmalum (talk) 07:50, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

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