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I don't understand. Why do some characters have tables while others don't? Judge Balthier Griever Emblem 01:19, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Nobody could be bothered making a table for them all? Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 01:23, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
Work in progress I guess. I started the Weapon Skill page over a month ago and it still isn't finished yet as I can't stand to do too much of it in one sitting. --Adonzo 01:31, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
I started tables for the weapons I care about, I don't have all the data and I don't have enough time to go through all of them. Feel free to help converting other lists into tables (leaving unknown stuff blank) which might help other people fill in the details down the road. -User:PanSola(talk/history) 02:16, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Do we really need all the extra columns for the Japanese name, the romanji and the fan translation? All the other games' weapon tables would just have it like this. ETA: And I really don't think we should have the Japanese names first on this page. We're the English language wiki, after all. HarpieSiren 01:21, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Weapon Tier Eq Ability Chain Ability Init Phy Init Mag Max Exp Max Lv Max Phy Max Mag Change Catalyst Change to
Binding Rod
(Bind Rod)
1 (none) Decrease Physical damage 18 12
I'm ok with the example above: removing the romaji column, and merging the other three into one column. -User:PanSola(talk/history) 11:51, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Gun-sword or Gunblade? Edit

Now that the game is out. Are Lightning's blades refered as 'Gun-sword's or 'Gunblade's? Netherith 00:43, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

They are indeed refered to as "Gunblade's".Judge Balthier Griever Emblem 00:46, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

i finished vanille's weapon chart for everything except max exp so someone else do that.(I has a big-ass sword and I"m not afraid to use it 21:33, March 21, 2010 (UTC))

Please clarify Edit

Could anybody working on this table please clarify what a lot of the phrases in it mean? Although it might mean something to the writer or somebody already with detailed knowledge of the game mechanics, for an outsider, it's not clear what a lot of this stuff means:

  • Chain ability is "Independent" or "Low HP" or "Gestalt"
  • "Leadstrike"
  • "Ironstrike"
  • "Adamancy"

I googled and found out what stagger lock means (weapon will never cause staggers), but that isn't clear simply from the phrase "stagger lock". I also made a logical guess that EQ ability means "equipment ability" but you can't expect somebody reading the chart to just assume what that means.

Also, from what I've seen in the game so far, some abilities activate when killing enemies, when health is critical, and when doing chains. From this chart, I don't understand what is what.

Just a moment ago, I found some stuff here which helped: Final Fantasy XIII passive abilities

But some other stuff isn't clear. Like what is "independent" chain ability or "gestalt"? 05:44, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

As i understand it, the Adamancy, Independant and low HP are its synthesis group, and Lead/Ironstrike is its ability JamesDC99 20:14, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

What are those specific effects, though? What is "Independent"? Many different possible effects? It will be more clear once I have all the weapons, but I don't yet have them all. 17:29, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

independent means no chain ability I has a big-ass sword and I"m not afraid to use it 22:34, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

A Motion Edit

I'd like to put forward the motion to change "Chain Ability" to Synthesis Group JamesDC99 20:19, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

The in-game menu in the English version calls them "synthesized abilities" in the "Primers: Battle" dialogue. I changed it to that, for clarity. 17:30, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Battle standard progress Edit

For max lvl of the battle standard for snow i've used way too much components so far, i'm now at lvl 59 with 9135/16056 xp. maybe this can help for someone who can lvl that weapon in one time, because i have spent to much gil for the right components just to be sure i didnt over-use some of them.

Max EXP? Edit

Is there any particular reason we've got a Max EXP column? It's the only column in many tables that's missing data, and it's not even data included in the official guide or anything. There are, however, "Weapon Rank" data in the guide that has been missed out of the table. - Paramina 19:24, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Passive Abilities Edit

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the abilities have more to do with the combination of accessories that are equipped than the weapons. When I make a combination that results in an ability, changing the weapon doesn't remove it. Sometimes it will change the value of the effect, but that's all I've seen, though admittedly I haven't experimented with it that much. -- Lycentia Stuffcocoa 10:56, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

You're talking about the synthesized abilities. Basically, each weapon and accessory belong to certain synthesist groups. If you equip two or more gear of the same synthesist group, you'll get a synthesized ability. The more you equip of the same group, the more powerful the ability. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 11:16, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Images Edit

Can we put the images in a gallery below the info table instead of in them? -- Lycentia Stuffcocoa 10:42, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. It looks so stuffed with the images in the same row. BLUER一番 11:44, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

More Images Edit

We should probably upload images of the weapons for the rest of the characters. HarpieSiren 01:36, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Any clues as to where to find images of the rest of the cast's weapons? -- 21:11, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

The images for Lightning's Hauteclaire and Lionheart are backwards. The image shown for Lionheart is the Hauteclaire and the image shown for the Hauteclaire is the Lionheart. 05:41, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Mistakes Edit

There are mistakes in the values for "Enkindler" and "Peacemaker", it's not obvious what the right values would be and I don't have the time to find out what they are right now. Pipelynx 18:48, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Incomplete Ability descriptionsEdit

Does anyone know what the Siphon and boost abilities on Hope's weaponry mean? It's not listed anywhere I can find on the wiki. I think it's the Otshirvani and Hresvelgr weapons. Mog&Boko 10:20, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

HEY Edit

If you guys are deleting the extra Detailed Weapons page, please get the descriptions from that page to put on here. Thank you. Mask no Oni 22:08, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

We should probably make a page called "Final Fantasy XIII weapons#Gunblades" where we put all the specific information that we have on articles like Blazefire Saber right now. 19:33, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, we do. I don't like how unneccesarilly long the extension is, specificying the character isn't exactly necessary. 19:36, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Weapon Abilities Edit

Do we have a page somewhere that lists and describes the abilities attached to the weapons? Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:36, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIII passive abilities The List of Passive Abilities page would sorely need a column for what equipment gives what ability.Keltainentoukokuu 04:52, October 31, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
Hm, yeah. Wouldn't "Support Abilities" be a title more in-line with our naming conventions? Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:08, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
They are called Passive Abilities in the game. Same as this article: "Auto Abilities". (Though, shouldn't it be called "Passive Abilities" then instead of "List of...)Keltainentoukokuu 05:45, October 31, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
Right then. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:55, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Coats or Emblems? Edit

This has been bugging me, but I'm pretty sure Snow keeps the same coat all the time and only changes emblems. All of his weapon descriptions say "emblem" and the icon very much looks more like an emblem than a coat. We got the "coat as a weapon" idea very early on in development, but I think after we got better translations we never really took a look back. I'd like to motion that we change things for accuracy. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 20:36, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Seconded -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 20:50, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
Well the coat is his weapon, but I agree it is the emblem on it that changes and the coat without the emblem doesn't do anything.Keltainentoukokuu 20:56, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
If it's called something in-game then that should be used. 22:00, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
Correction. His fists are his weapons. The emblem is manadrive technology that empowers him, to boost the effectiveness of his attacks. Presumably, the coat is completely irrelevant apart from being something to anchor the emblem to -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:19, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
Well, any objections to what I put up just now? Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 23:45, September 25, 2011 (UTC)


These tables don't fit into Oasis. Re-design time. Any suggestions? 22:00, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Change the width to 975 pixels? ;P Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 23:41, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
Oasis width is 643px. I used to be so annoyed that things were never designed with 600x800 in mind. Now I'm so annoyed we have something so small as the default. :/ 16:29, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
Technically, the whole area is 660px, so I don't know how that comes out to an odd number. Anyway, the page area including what's under the sidebar is an even 1000, so it looks fine here. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 23:17, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
100% is equivalent to 643px on tables. I checked. I was hoping it would be a good round number. It was not.
It cuts off after "Max Mag", bearing in mind the widths have been cramped to a size as low as possible. You have to click the magic button to see the entire thing in a pop-up. This does not look good. Nor is it very functional. 20:02, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Check page now. First, does it work? (it does, but it uses newly added CSS and it sometimes doesn't work for everyone immediately)-- Second, is it satisfactory? 20:38, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

It works swimmingly for Light, not so well for the other characters. Cat 20:42, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
That is because I was originally going to use a class to do the 100% (so it was 100% Oasis, fixed-980?px width on monobook) but then I decided I'll use a max-width (so for users with smaller resolutions/browser-space, the table will shrink to size).
And I changed it on the top-table, but not the rest.
Thanks for that :p 20:45, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Protection? Edit

Why do I get the feeling this is gonna descend into a full blown edit war? Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 16:53, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Putting units on every row in the table makes so little sense when you can put it in the column name. We need to make that a standard.
And center tags should not be used. There used to be another way to center galleries, but I don't think it works anymore. I might try to fix it. But it doesn't change the fact that we don't center galleries. 17:05, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
So the Gallery can center align once again. (by adding |align=center after the {{Gallery part) I am less against center aligned galleries, and more against the center tag (but am still against center aligned galleries), but I will let up. I know other people care, but I'm not that bothered.
Not putting units in the column-header though: It's so wasteful to do otherwise. There is no reason to do otherwise. 17:11, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
Hah, I thought it was JBed arguing with himself in some sort of joking commentary on his own editing snafu's. You really need to log in, JBed. And I'm against centering galleries because we don't center anything on the wiki. It looks ugly when everything else is either left or right aligned and you've got this chunk of images suddenly in the middle of the page. Espritduo (talk) 17:58, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Page layout and contents Edit

Played this game years ago and I must say. This page makes absolutely no sense at all. The layout and setup are utterly confusing. AeonsLegend (contact me) 16:54, July 22, 2018 (UTC)

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