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General Section?[edit source]

Most of these things aren't references, but Square re-using names. Like every company does. "Highwind" is a recurring name they use for Dragoons. It is not a reference to "Kain Highwind". Titan is a recurring thing in the Final Fantasy series. It's not a reference to any particular Titan, nor the recurring Titan. It is the recurring Titan. 00:42, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. For instance, the Dragoon Lance is a reference to the recurring job ... we could include this in, say, the Final Fantasy III section, but it would be more appropriate in a "General Allusions" section. I realize that this could theoretically be done with any Final Fantasy, since they all make recurring references, but since the page is already here, it might be appropriate to add such a section. Thoughts? Zegota 02:35, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

KH reference[edit source]


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Cocoon = Meteor?[edit source]

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Helter Skelter[edit source]

There is a real life reference for Helter Skelter, with the entire Charles Manson thing. So should we note the connection? Fallen-Todesengel 23:22, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

What Helter Skelter? Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 23:29, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Metroid Reference[edit source]

Could Zwerg Metrodroid be a reference to the Metroid series or the enemy --BurstDragon 19:01, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Serah alludes to princess sarah[edit source]

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Getting out of hand?[edit source]

Is it just me, or is this page getting out of hand? Sure some things probably are allusions. But it also seems make a lot of coincidences out to be deliberate, and is jumping through hoops to make other so called "references". HarpieSiren 05:57, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Such as? Likeacupcake 06:18, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

"Lake Bresha is very similar in appearance with the Dead Sea."

"Aster Protoflorian and Vernal Harvester physically resembles the Pokémon, Bulbasaur."

"The final dungeon of the game, Orphan's Cradle, is similiar in design to The Castle That Never Was in The World That Never Was from Kingdom Hearts II. The Castle That Never Was also serves as the last dungeon in Kingdom Hearts II."

Those seem more like coincidences than anything else. You can't claim it's an allusion every something reminds you of something else. Sometimes it is just a coincidence. I mean, I know people who think that Lightning looks like Uma Thurman, does that mean that Square based the character on the actress? Probably not. HarpieSiren 06:38, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

The lake one: They do bare a very strong resemblance, and (though I can't remember the exact connection between FF and Chrono) the two share many allusions to each other, and are closely related. So that one is good.

The Aster bares an great deal of resemblance to Bulbasaur, not just slightly similar.

I don't know much about Orphan's Cradle, so I can't say much there.

I see what you are getting at, but there are plenty of objective people here that will shut down anything utterly ridiculous that people put in here. Also, and allusion is only considered an allusion when it bears a great resemblance, and usually has either a parody or copy of a signature part of the original. To put it simply, it rarely gets in if it is just looks, usually the theme, feel or way in which it acts are taken into consideration. Likeacupcake 06:47, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

If the majority thinks they're okay, then fair enough. HarpieSiren 07:02, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

The Bulbasaur one shouldn't be there. Because it is a bulb, it is instantly like Bulbasaur. When really it's just a living plant thing. Oh, and look, there's Pikachu. (I just can't think of anything else when I hear "Picochu" :)) 11:48, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Near-certain Neon Genesis Evangelion homage[edit source]

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Final Fantasy IX[edit source]

Don't you think that scene when Vanille and Fang unites to summon Ragnarok to save Cocoon and Gran Pulse resembles scene from Final Fantasy IX where Garnet and Eiko unites to summon Alexander to save Alexandria (about Final Fantasy IX I'm not sure - actually never played it). Is it worth mentioning?—Kaimi (Talk Page) 06:15, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

A possible FFX-2 allusion?[edit source]

nd I've noticed that whenever Vanille runs around the various areas of Cocoon and Gran Pulse - either as the group leader or when she follows the group leader - she moves/waves her arms in the same manner than Yuna does in FFX-2 whenever she runs around Spira. (If I'm not clear, I'm referring to when the player has them run to a specific location or person between battles and cutscenes.) Would that count as another serious allusion? TaliesinKyoshi 03:46, November 8, 2010 (UTC)Taliesin-Kyoshi

I don't think that's a serious allusion, more like a coincidence. They try to make everyone's run look a bit different.Keltainentoukokuu 05:26, November 8, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

Well, Vanille follows "Rikku" archetype altering it a little with moving like Yuna. For me it's hard to classify it as allusion.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 19:33, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Vanille slightly alludes to FFX-2 Yunie: similar movement on field, same age, a similarity between end of FFX-2 Chapter 3 and XIII Chapter 6 (multiple of 3!), their final weapon, probably personality as well (both of them really care of their world, but at one time they just "hibernated" and didn't want to interfere: Yunie left Spira on its own to let it live its own life, while Vanille didn't want to join Fang in their quest to destroy Cocoon).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 20:07, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

FFIX Notification[edit source]

In FFXIII while riding on a chocobo, an exclamation mark may start jumping over chocobo's head indicating how close is the chocobo from a treasure. In FFIX question and exclamation marks are used to notify players of treasures. Does this count as an allusion?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 19:24, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

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