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Fabula Nova Crystallis allusionsEdit

Type-0 is a part of FNC and also use FNC mythology so it's obvious that the game features elements from FNC myth. they shouldn't be counted as allusions. Monterossa (talk) 10:49, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Well...it's also part of the Final Fantasy series and so it's obvious that the game features elements from the FF series... This is just meant to be a list, although I guess the list(s) could be on the FNC page instead?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 11:24, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
Hope's computer in the Ark is still an allusion to Etro's gate despite that object appearing in its prequel because it is not actually Etro's gate. I agree that concepts like l'Cie are obvious and less allusions and more out and out references to that mythos - they are the same thing in either game. Things that are allusions are by their definition not explicit so refs to accessories are exactly that and not allusions. AdeusValcross (talk) 11:47, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
Something we need to take into account is the fact that Type-0 contains a lesser degree of FNC mythos than XIII, though more than XV. In fact, some of the references are so oblique that it's difficult to connect them directly to the mythos. We'll probably be able to discern more about what goes and what stays when all the Rubicus entries and such have been unlocked and recorded. --Crystal Tear (talk) 12:38, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
The original official mythos is not available from any official source as far as I know, only from secondary sources like this wiki. I dunno, I thought some overview somewhere on the wiki on what in each FNC instalment is from the FNC mythos, perhaps adapted for the game's own world (like isn't phantoma the same thing as chaos from the original story?), could be interesting, but it doesn't need to be on an allusions page.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:31, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
That sounds a wonderful idea. Call it something like "Fabula Nova Crystallis: Final Fantasy/Common elements". And to kick off the arguments, both the English and the Japanese seem to be uncertain about what Phantoma is: it's called something like a soul, but it behaves differently to true souls... This is something for another page. --Crystal Tear (talk) 17:38, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
I had tried to do something like that with Fabula Nova Crystallis: Final Fantasy#Overarching Concepts but maybe it could be re-worked/expanded. Subpage isn't a bad idea. The way I see is that the biggest "overarching element" is "re-imagining Final Fantasy", like pushing the boundaries on what "Final Fantasy" means, and throw in a new way of thinking of "the crystal". But then there are all these other things, more specific terms, like the fal'Cie being "re-imagined" as the Crystals in Type-0.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:04, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
Phantoma is like souls but Etro only gave humans soul/heart and even monsters give out phantoma so it must be different. AdeusValcross (talk) 20:05, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
I'm in a position to confirm that the English localization of Type-0 (for all its poor performances) can be trusted when it comes to the translation of terms in the original text. The terms "heart" and "chaos" are not used. Phantoma are connected by humans to "souls". I will correct the articles accordingly. --Crystal Tear (talk) 20:28, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Perfume Edit

The Perfume set http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_Type-0_Items#Perfume_Set seems like a reference to Perfume and their songs Polyrhythm and Natural ni Koishite --Christian140 (talk) 13:07, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Good info. :)Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:10, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Nesher and NarsheEdit

Close enough? there also is a bigfoot monster living on Mt. Nesher in Type-0 too (as the boss of the place). Monterossa (talk) 05:34, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Big Bridge Edit

A small expansion under the FFV heading. (Minor spoiler) I realised this upon scrolling down and seeing mention of the retro style "Battle at the Big Bridge" theme. Is it not more than coincidence that Gilgamesh makes a surprise appearance at the end of the "Clash on the Big Bridge" mission, given that he appeared long ago when the FFV party were crossing the "Big Bridge" (which gave the theme its name)? In hindsight I should have expected it when I saw the mission name. That has to be a deliberate allusion. Prem-aka-Prince (talk) 09:52, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

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