Talk: Esper (Revenant Wings)

Since these 'Espers' now have an official English (well, Lemurésian) name, it might do to move this over to a new page. They're only called Espers out of habit by the Ivalicians. Depends whether you want to go more by lore or game mechanics, really. As a comparison, having this at Esper (Revenant Wings) is now kind of like having Eidolon at Summon (Final Fantasy IX). Thoughts? --77.99.30.226 13:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 13:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
		First, thanks for that, I was wondering if the summons of RW would have a different name. However, since the menus refer to them as Espers, this article's title should be Esper, since their other title is only used by the Aegyl in a story context.

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		AuronKaizer - Monkey chit. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}}
		Oh goodie. At least the name wasn't Ep'na'lae'et't'th'th, that would have been more likely actually.

Whats up with Zalera?

Quick question: On his summon page it says that in RW he is a HOLY type that casts Holy and Holyja. Here it says he is a Non-Elemental with Zodiark.... I was wondering which it was. Thanks -Shatterproof

sorry to be a bother but...

		LaZodiac - Doink! TALK - 04:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
		Now, I know that at this moment, most of you are wondering where you know me from. I don't blame you, my compy exploded so I lost all contact. Never thought of coming back. Its just that I noticed a descripncy. On this page, Zodiark is said to be a Rank3 Ranged unit. However on his page he is said to be a Rank3 Ariel unit. Which is it, exactly?

He's a ranged. 69.9.211.143 04:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

		LaZodiac - Doink! TALK - 04:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
		Not exactly the confermation I was expecting, unless its someone that just has a bad memory and hasn't logged in, or signed his post. I digress, waiting intill confermation from someone I 100% know I can trust.

		Oath To Order TALK - {{{time}}}
		Okay here. He's a ranged. To back it up, I have the game and guide book. He is also the strongest Esper as well.

		LaZodiac - Doink! TALK - 05:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
		Thank you. Just needed to make sure and all. Though that does confuse me...I guess someone should go fix his page then.

Yarhi as a Species

		Lanate - Break the earth and part the seas TALK - 04:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
		Should it be noted that most of the monster inhabitants of Lemurés are actually Yarhi themselves? I remember that there was a passage on Aegyl diet that they foraged for berries and fished because the monsters were Yarhi and thus had no flesh. I can find the reference if necessary.

Perhaps a category ("Non-summon Yarhi" or something)?Glorious CHAOS! 10:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Stats of Espers

		Ultimateria - I'm cute and cuddly! TALK - Cacti don't need pupils. {{{time}}}
		Could someone please make me (or show me how to make) a template for the Revenant Wings Espers' stats? If you do, I will fill them all out for you. I was also wondering if they should have their own pages like enemies (since technically, they are enemies, too). Maybe I'm wrong though, so tell me.

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		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 22:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
		You are free to use the Revenant Wings enemy template for that matter. You should also make pages like Titan (Revenant Wings), Ramuh (Revenant Wings), Diabolos (Revenant Wings), etc... I hope I was able to clarify you.

		Ultimateria - I'm cute and cuddly! TALK - Cacti don't need pupils. {{{time}}}
		Oh, thank you. I wasn't aware that there was a template that I could use without having to make one. I will go to work immediately! But, how do I incorporate the base stats and the growth stats into one table?

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		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 23:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
		You should contact 8bit BlackMage, as I think he made the enemy articles for the Revenant Wings. I just took care of the location articles.

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}}
		EDIT CONFLICT: (Oh, Henry, I feel so flattered :P) I think the base stats table should be left alone. I've worked on some of the RW enemies and that table is already complicated as it is. I think it's great that you want to include growth stats, perhaps another template could be made for it? I'm not computer-savvy at all, so maybe one of the admins or more accomplished moderators could help with that. As for the Esper stats, here's my thoughts: Because of the way Yarhi in Monster Melees and Summoning Melees change their levels and stats as the party levels up and as they move to different locations, there is no "base stat" for a monster-typeYarhi such as the Fire Drake. Check the enemy pages for some sort of idea of what I've been trying to do. Referring to the summoned Yarhi (Espers), you can go wild with that. Good job on finding info for the base stats and growth stats and that stuff. Here's a problem: The summoned Yarhi are both enemies and allies. Take Balasa for example. You might have info on how Balasa's stats level up when he is on the player's side, but Balasas summoned by enemies are an entirely different matter. Or are ally and enemy Balasas completely identical in growth rates? That would make things simple. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions, and please inform me more about the stat stuff, because I have no idea how it works ^^

		Ultimateria - I'm cute and cuddly! TALK - Cacti don't need pupils. {{{time}}}
		Hmm...I see your point, and I don't even know where to begin finding out whether enemy Espers have the same growth stats as allied Espers, and I have a valid source for both sets of stats, but this also brings up the question: should each Esper have an enemy page and a summon page?

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}}
		No; I think both sets of info should go on the same page. We can use the old table for the enemy data, and a new table for the growth stat data you have. All we have to do is create two sections on the same page. I don't know if mods can make new templates, but I'll try to edit the RW Enemy Template into a RW Esper Growth Stat Template. (Don't get your hopes up...) EDIT: Ultimateria, do you have information for both an Esper's "Base Stats" and "Growth Stats"? I'm thinking we can get a template like the Enemies one (located here.), but I need more info on what you have to work with.

		Ultimateria - I'm cute and cuddly! TALK - Cacti don't need pupils. {{{time}}}
		Well, I have everything that is included in the Green Flan page I just...tabled, except for the image of course, and in addition to those, the growth categories I have are HP, STR, MGK, MND, SPD, ATK, MATK, DEF, MDEF, ATK SPD, MV, plus its cost and summon time, magicks and skills, and when they become available if they need to be unlocked. (And yes, I realize that is an enemy and not an Esper... v(/_\)v

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}}
		Sweet, that does a good job of taking out almost all of the "Varies" sections. Here's what I'm assuming: You have the range of stats (i.e, 60-300) for every enemy, summon and monster in RW. You... do not? have growth stats for monsters. You... do? have growth stats for the summonable Yarhi. The table looks good; but I have a suggestion. For the "mission" section of the table in the bottom right, perhaps we should change it to "Melees" and include only the Melee battles that the enemies appear in. If we tried to cram all the missions that an enemy appears in in that small little section, it would make that last row way too tall. I'm going to make a seperate section on the page that lists the Storyline Missions and Side Missions that an enemy appears in, and leave the Melees in the table.

		Ultimateria - I'm cute and cuddly! TALK - Cacti don't need pupils. {{{time}}}
		Yes, I have growth rates for all allied summons and for all enemy monsters (in other words, non-summons), and I agree with the melees only for "missions" idea. It did look a little cluttered. I actually had to get my game out for this, but yes, the enemy Espers have the same stats of allied Espers of the same level.

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}}
		Cool, that makes things easier. I corrected the Green Flan page, adding the new Mission section. I'm logging off for the night, good luck with your editing!

		Ultimateria - I'm cute and cuddly! TALK - Cacti don't need pupils. {{{time}}}
		Yes, I need to leave too, but I probably won't be able to get on until Friday (you know, finals and all - unless it's not your last week of school, too?).

		Ultimateria - I'm cute and cuddly! TALK - Cacti don't need pupils. {{{time}}}
		Also, since some of the Espers already have their own pages [i.e. Gnoam (Summon)], so do I just add their table to the page, or do I make a new page like [Gnoam (Revenant Wings)]? Not to mention, those that are summons from other games like "Bahamut (Summon)" has all of the Bahamut summons from other games, but then again, that page also has their FFVIII stats too. Do you think anyone would mind adding the table to the Summon (and not just a Revenant Wings) page?

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		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 22:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
		A Bahamut (Revenant Wings) page wouldn't hurt anywone. Just don't forget to link the parent page to it.

		Ultimateria - I'm cute and cuddly! TALK - Cacti don't need pupils. {{{time}}}
		Okay, I'll get on it, but I made a table in the [[Tonberry (summon)|Tonberry]] page, so I need someone to check it for me (but I still need gifs for all of the tables...).

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}}
		Looks good! Quick thing: I changed the "Mission" column to "Melees", so whenever a new table is made, put "Melees" instead of "Mission".

		Ultimateria - I'm cute and cuddly! TALK - Cacti don't need pupils. {{{time}}}
		Will do! I'll be sure to keep that in mind.

I'm pretty sure that Revenant Wings has the most Summons in the series so far. 82.31.135.50 15:08, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Images

		Xenomic TALK - Xenomic 20:52, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
		So yeah, looking at the individual pages for the Espers, we need to uniform what image goes in the infobox. I see some with the artwork, and some with the sprite. Which one do we want in there?

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 21:03, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
		The sprite, since that's the actual ingame appearance.

Move

This page should me moved to Yarhi if it's specifically covering the summons in RW. Even though in the game the terms Esper and Yarhi are used interchangeably (Esper is used in menus and by outsiders, Yahri is used in gameplay and by Aegyl), there is a marked difference story-wise between the Yarhi of RW and the Espers of XII. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:48, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

I actually believed this was named Yahri, as it should. - Henryacores^ 15:16, February 22, 2013 (UTC)