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Laguna and Vaan Edit

To my knowledge, Cloud is the only unlockable character for the demo. I'm removing Laguna and Vaan until someone provides video of someone playing as them in Prologus. Teamrocketspy621 01:47, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Good ideam no proof no list. Primal Link(10:43, January 21, 2011 (UTC))

I sure hope that they are unlockable, I want to play as them. Tonberry101 21:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Just to make it straight- Laguna and Vaan are NOT playable in Prologus. In any way. You can't play as them, nor against them. Same goes to Yuna. The proof being, that on the hacked data from the game, there are character animations. And animations for those three characters do not include moving, most of the attacks and Ex-modes. This means, that those characters are in Prologus only for assist mode. Tifa is another story, because you can actually face her in Arcade hard mode (to unlock Cloud). SquallisbetterthanCloud 07:03, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for confirming that, Squallisbetterthancloud. Even then I cant wait for the demo to be realeased elsewhere!(personaly i dont mind whos in the demo) Rumors are of course rumors, like i said earlier there needs to be proof of their existance however, hackers have proved they are NOT in the demo, so we just have to wait for the full game to play as them!(Primal Link 12:54, January 24, 2011 (UTC))

Internationl Release? Edit

Is there any word on an international release? - The 4th Snake 19:35, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

At this time, no. PSN updates once a week, mid week. It could be this week or within a month who knows Primal Link(18:09, January 23, 2011 (UTC))

Yes, but it only says that there WILL be, doesn't say when. [1] SquallisbetterthanCloud 15:35, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
It was confirmed from the start. Prologus' trademark was adquired by SE a long time ago worldwide. - Henryacores^ 15:43, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Data SizeEdit

I noticed that there's no info on the size of the demo. I recently went out and bought a new memory card for my PSP-3000 just in case I didn't have enough room on the old one. But, I thought I'd check the article itself and found there's no info about the size so I was hoping someone who bought the Japanese version could help me out and also add it to the article for information purposes. Kamikaze Pardee 03:54, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

it's around 564 Mb--The Earth That shall defeat all That stands in its way, XIII-DARKNESS 22:07, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Subpage?Edit

Should we make this is a subpage under the main? Like this: Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy/Dissidia 012 Prologus Final Fantasy or something similar? Jeffrey or SSFF6B 00:15, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that's a good idea. None of the other demos are subpages. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:13, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Expecting a release this week? Edit

I'd hazard a guess at this being released this Tuesday, same week as the full Japanese release. Anyone else think it's a possibility?

Obviously I'm not asking to add this to the article, either. RumDrools 01:48, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

It's really anyone's guess but I hope it does. It would make sense with the Japanese release being soon but we've waited long enough for the demo.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1

I hope so too, someone (not sure who) released a statement saying that prologus would be released before 012 was released but failed to specify whether it meant released in Japan or elsewhere. Another thing that has been said was prologus was to be released in America and England on the same day, and with PSN updating on Tuesday in America and Wednesday (I believe) in England, it could well be on the 3rd, just to avoid complications of any kind. However, I do believe this conversation would be better in the forum, Dissidia Duodecim - General discussion

Nope, it's not there. Maybe next week...like we haven't been telling ourselves that for the past month. Crystal Legend 23:58, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well its going to have to be released within the next fortnight, so 50/50 chance it'll be next week Sephiroth157 16:41, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Worst case scenario: It comes out the same day as the full game's release, is $10 on the PSN, and doesn't even include the Aerith assist, which is separate DLC to be offered for an additional $5 along with her extra $2.50 costumes at a later, undecided date (projected window being Winter 2011). Be glad that Square won't go so far as to do that, lol. Teamrocketspy621 16:47, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

It's out. We can relax. --MConor 17:19, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
But can we Europe-people really rely on that release date of March the 16th? The source down there in the article does only mention an US release. --Haitani 17:36, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
Is it acutally up on the PSN yet? I cannot access the PSN at college directly so I'm using MEDIA GO and it's not up there yet CWK34 17:51, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
I just checked 5 minutes ago and it wasn't. Apparently, PSN updates kinda late in the day, around 5 or 6 p.m. eastern time. Why it's so late, I don't know.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 17:59, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Title Correction Edit

Don't know where the current given title came from, but the North American press release reflects the Japanese DDFF site in naming this thing DISSIDIA duodecim prologus FINAL FANTASY. The wiki entry should be corrected (minus the ALL-CAPS, as standard, giving "Dissidia duodecim prologus Final Fantasy"). TJF588 09:27, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

This is analogous to the title of Dissidia Final Fantasy, the original title of this subseries, and on that same article you'll find "DISSIDIA 012[duodecim] FINAL FANTASY". [duodecim] being the intended pronounciation of 012, as mentioned by Square Enix, and thus is removable, and mentioned in whatever way we like. In this website, it is mentioned at the main page for the game, in the introductory paragraph.
As for the caps, do you really think we'd use all-caps titles in the wiki? Search the games' logos. They all feature the game's name in caps. - Henryacores^ 14:17, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused about your points. I know that "[duodecim]" is a pronunciation guide (similar to Japanese text that has an alternate writing style to the side of given characters, to indicate pronunciation), but that's neither here nor there since prologus doesn't use "012" in its title; it is spelled out. As for the ALL-CAPS, that is what I meant by "as standard", that this wiki doesn't bother with SQEX eclectic capitalization scheme (I have, several times, detailed the trauma the KH series has gone through). TJF588 06:24, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

With the NA release of the game, here's the breakdown: "DISSIDIA duodecim prologus FINAL FANTASY" on the PSP, "DISSIDIA duodecim prologus FINAL FANTASY" (under Information) and "DISSIDIA 012 Prologus FINAL FANTASY" (upon viewing) on the PS3, "" on the PlayStation Store (which incidentally lists it under the "New PSP Games" header in New Releases, and gives it its own section in View All [by Title]; ergo, not demo...technically). Given the press release, the PS Blog, the native system, the split PS3 descriptions, and the game's logo (note that "duodecim" is not in brackets, and is a foreground object, unlike the "012", which is only layered above the Chaos/Cosmos image), I implore that the article be renamed "Dissidia duodecim prologus Final Fantasy" or "Dissidia Duodecim Prologus Final Fantasy", with a note in the opening paragraph reading "(given as "DISSIDIA 012 Prologus FINAL FANTASY" in the PlayStation Store)". TJF588 14:39, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Do you see the big '012' in the title? Indeed, it is there. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 14:49, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
I see a big '012' in the logo, and in two certain sources. Otherwise, in the press release(s) and game's information, the "012" is absent. TJF588 15:28, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
And to counter the disparate "DISSIDIA 012 Prologus FINAL FANTASY" titling: since it is listed in its own section rather than a "DISSIDIA 012 FINAL FANTASY" one in the PS Store, giving it "012" rather than "Duodecim" allows it to be handily listed under the full game, rather than above the first game, and makes it easier to search for (not to mention nicer when scrolling, since the two games will start misaligning after the "012" rather than after the "DISSIDIA"). In short: It's practical for the Store. This is a wiki, a source of information. Let's get this "right". TJF588 15:41, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Much as I hate to admit it (I've actually been against this stupid naming convention the entire time), this person is correct, when loading my save in Prologus I get "DISSIDIA Duodecim Prologus FINA..." in the loading screen, so that technically is the actual name given to it. For some stupid reason. Stupid Square Enix. Jimcloud 15:56, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
They just wanna be psuedo-olde-deep, or some old new age crap like that. *head spins* Also, for your viewing pleasure, its ERSB Rating. TJF588 15:59, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sooo... Can we go ahead with renaming the page "Dissidia Duodecim Prologus Final Fantasy"? if I'm the one to do it, I'll also take the time to fix all the links to it, of course. TJF588 15:36, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

No. The Logo is worth far more than save files and ERSB. PSN supports this page's name as a trademark. - Henryacores^ 19:44, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Release?? Edit

I'm waiting for the game to come out on the PSN but its not there? I Searched on the comp and it said it wont come out till 6pm?! I Hope it comes out today!!!

There won't be a demo out today.It is most likely delayed do to the crisis in Japan.--Lord of the Dark Depths 19:28, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I Pray to GOD it isn't i know what happened in Japan is a Big Deal and all but there are no reports of anything happening to Square-Enix. So i can only assume its going to be released at 6pm like the comp said.

I'm pretty sure it will be out within the next few hours. Square's NA department should be plenty capable of handling this and we'll just have to be patient. Also, be sure to sign your posts with "~~~~", minus the quotations, please.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 19:34, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Im sorry but are you guys saying that it comes out 6:00 east coast time? Not trying to be disrespectful im just confusedChocobo Rider 23:01, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

There's no definite time it will be up, I was just stating that PSN usually updates around 5 or 6 p.m. The problem is that we, the people waiting for the update, have no idea when PlayStation will update the store. My patience is also starting to wear thin, but rest assured, Square posted this on Facebook: http://release.square-enix.com/na/2011/03/15_01.html.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 23:06, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
Prologus is up on the PSN now, happy gaming!! CWK34 23:46, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't even know that PSN updates that lately. Kinda new to that thing.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 23:59, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

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SAY WHERE IS DISSIDIA 012 PROLOGUS CANT FIND IT ON MA PSN???


4 get it downloading it right now!! --24.44.105.57 00:11, March 16, 2011 (UTC)


I searched it on the PSN website and nothing came up. Can anyone tell me where to find this? User:Redfangofflame

It's not up in Europe and Australasia yet, hold tight guys! c: RumDrools 04:43, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

For the NA version of the PSN, just search "Dissidia" and it should be the first item to show up. For other continents, you have a day to wait. Jimcloud 04:47, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I knew they mess up the EU release date for this again!! now it's March 23th all of the sudden, but who told you? The source on the article-page doesn't say anything about that date. lol, sorry for the ranting, but I really expected this thing to be released today :D --Haitani 13:34, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hey I'm answering myself! Squareenix EU just tweeted prologus will be released in EU on 23.03. so the date on the main article is correct.... yay --Haitani 15:55, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Can't believe it, NA get it over a week before Europe and dissidia 012 comes out in NA before the prologue in europe. also prologue comes out 2 days before the game. I know NA get it first because they are closer to Japan but it is stupid that the europe release has been put back. FF9 16:16, March 16, 2011 (UTC)


Where did you hear it was coming out 23rd? 92.9.68.199 16:55, March 16, 2011 (UTC)Taga92.9.68.199 16:55, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Square_Enix_EU tweeted that news today... that prologus will come out next week at March 23th alongside with this nice linkt: https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/dissidia-duodecim-prologus-final-fantasy-coming-psn-next-week

But it doesn't say anything about Australia though. --Haitani 22:49, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

The source says the full game is out in North America on the 22nd, there is no mention of the UK or Europe that I can see. --MConor 17:48, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

This means Australia gets Duodecim and Prologus on the same day. This is absolute bullshit. RumDrools 20:09, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's a good thing that the PSP is region free, and all you need to access another region's PSN is to create an account that uses that region.--75.130.61.226 23:42, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Except that it costs $3 which I have no way of getting on a US PSN account. RumDrools 03:02, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
I think there are people who sell point card codes online. That's how everyone was getting Prologus before the localized release.--75.130.61.226 12:05, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I think it's BS that they are making us BUY the demo a week/the day the actual game comes out. Honestly, watch, in a few years every demo will have to be purchased for 10$ or more. 173.65.215.186 23:54, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

It's not a demo, its DLC. It just acts like a demo because it comes out before the game...it isn't even in the demo section on the PSN, its under the downloadable games section. Also, they aren't MAKING you buy anything. --24.3.65.89 01:20, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

All you guys think it's unfair that you might get it on the same day but hate saying it guys, but maybe Dissidia Duodecim might get pushed back if you guys keep complaining about the date... be careful of what you wish for XD. On other news Prologus isn't just a paid demo it is a "Bonus Content" kind of package... and I mean $3 (in American dollars) is quite easy to save up... I mean all you have to do is like skip lunch or something... Keyface 01:13, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I hope so, then I might have more than an hour to play Prologus. RumDrools 05:29, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
If you keep complaining it will get pushed back, life works like that. You're gonna jinx it, Keyface 07:48, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

CutscenesEdit

I finished the game and what I found interesteding was that the first and last cutscene were voiced while the other 5 or so weren't. Is this because it's a demo, or do you think that the cutscenes in Duodecim will work this way too? (God no) SquallRocks 01:58, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

It's because it's just a mini-scenario, there are plenty of voiced cutscenes per scenario in the real game. --24.3.65.89 06:45, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Any official press release where SE calls this a demo?Edit

If there isn't an official statement by Square Enix calling Prologus a demo, it's not our place to decide that SE's game is a demo. It's available in downloadable games on the PS Store, and it's not available in the Demos section (this misled me to believe that it wasn't yet released, because so many people have condemned it as a demo). It does serve in spirit as a demo, sure, but if it's not called a demo by either Square Enix or Sony, then it's not for fans to decide that it is one. Here's an example of a press release. Nowhere does it refer to the game as a demo, and the PS Store doesn't categorize it with demos either. Until someone comes up with a press release or official source calling it a demo, we can't call it such in the article.

http://release.square-enix.com/na/2011/03/10_01.html

--68.91.255.215 20:42, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'll preemptively elaborate on that in case someone comes along and wants to change this encyclopedia article to suit their opinion, with no official press release to back it up.

If you're writing a U.S. health encyclopedia article, and you believe that abortion is murder, then that's a justifiable opinion, but the official word is that it's not, according to U.S. law. So you can't refer to abortions as murders in that encyclopedia article.

If you're writing an encyclopedia article, and you feel that the U.S. bombing of Hiroshima was a terrorist act, that's a justifiable opinion, but the official statement is that it was an act of war. You can't call the U.S. government terrorists if writing an unbiased article.

If you think Prologus is a demo, that's fine, but if SE calls it a game, and Sony has it in the games section of the PS Store, then you can't call it a demo in an unbiased article.--68.91.255.215 20:55, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

There have been demos in the past that are also self-contained games. Seems like you don't really understand what the term demo means. If SE never called their games "games" then they're not games? Prologus fits the definition of a demo so it isn't out of line to call it as such, even if SE doesn't. Demo is a preview of what is usually an upcoming game. It doesn't really matter what it is called in the article, but I wouldn't remove the Demos category.Keltainentoukokuu 21:07, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

The reason Prologus is in the Games section of PSN is probably because it isn't free, when stuff in the demos section usually is free (?). They probably avoid using the word "demo" for the same reason, lest people get the impression it is available free. So I think it is for marketing reasons rather than that it wouldn't "actually" be a demo.Keltainentoukokuu 21:19, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I am nitpicky about the meanings of words, and yes, the demo category is appropriate based on the meaning of demo. I restored the category. It's important to have it there because many people will expect it there, and it does indeed serve as a demo.

I do think that it's important that the article is congruent with official statements, however. I'm not the only one who thought this game hadn't been released yet because it wasn't in the demos section of the PS Store.

Also, considering that it contains a canon part of Dissidia's storyline that isn't in either "full" game, the "game" title does seem appropriate. Washing it over as a demo is to ignore Chapter 0. --68.91.255.215 21:23, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well maybe that's why they used "Prologous" which is prologue in latin. It's not a demo and it is not its own game. SquallRocks 23:25, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe we can call it a hybrid? If SE says it's a game and not a demo, then I guess it's a game. And (guess I'm missing something) but I never saw a demo that 'intentionally' hat content in it that will not be in the complete game. (not talking about stages that were dumbed in the last minute or something.) --Haitani 07:12, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Not everything is white or black, it's called shades of grey (or gray if you're in US). Like Nanaki of FF7, "I am what you see," meaning "It is what it is" it isn't a demo but it's not a game. I agree with it being a prologue... because, you know, the Prologus part kinda gives me that feel... Keyface 22:00, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Call a rabbit a smeerp.--217.191.72.88 07:16, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

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