Talk: Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy

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US Preorder Bonuses

Just announced...Cloud's KH costume for Gamestop and Tifa's Red costume for Amazon - that's been named the "Enforcer" outfit. http://www.rpgsite.net/news/995/dissidia-012-duodecim-final-fantasy-us-preorder-incentives-announced.html

While I am gonna be using Tifa more than Cloud, but I want Cloud's KH outfit more....so I guess I know where I am pre-ordering--4.49.110.26 20:36, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, American games industry... will you ever stop screwing us over when it comes to pre-order bonuses...--Gibbeynator 20:52, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

I just hope the outfits are available through other methods, there isn;t any confirmation there is not, either. --4.49.110.26 23:57, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

About the DLC part on the Dissidia 012 page. Do we divide it by regions like this:

Japan:

• You get following items like this

USA:

• You get following items like this

Europe:

• You get following items like this

or will it be done in another way? BahamutZero 11:14, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Good idea, though I imagine it'd be tough to keep people from saying that "In the USA, you get screwed over by Gamestop".--Gibbeynator 12:30, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

That's true, but maybe it will get available on PSN since there will probably must high demands for the preorder costumes.

And it would be unfair if they didn't :(

Always hated preorder DLC bonuses, so glad its not like that in EU :3 but now the idea has been planted, Question is if it could be useful BahamutZero 17:15, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Chase Sequence, EX force, and assist lock

I spent several hours watching videos of the demo version of the game. And I wanted to point out a few things I notice I don't think much of us realize.

I finally came to the conclusion why your EX force suddenly builds up during chase. You Absorb the EX force in the area as soon as you Jump into Chase. That includes every time you press X button to continue the chase.

If you want prove watch one of the earlier videos. The Vaan and Tifa battle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qIl5iDCTZU&feature=related

Watch Tifa clober Vaan at 0:19, she didn't get a single EX force, why? Because she didn't jump into chase.

Now Watch Vaan at 0:45... When he Gains a ton of EX force... Why is that possible? It's because he jumped into chase and Absorbed all the EX force around him! it makes sense.

Now as for the Assist lock, did you all notice that When ever Vaan used the assist to save himself from Tifa around 2:00, that Tifa Ex Force meter suddenly filled up to max?! I believe that You also get EX force if you lock the opponents assist!

I wanted to point that out. Razordash 09:13, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

EU site update

Not much of an update, but just so you know. And you can vote for character contest there- Sephiroth vs Laguna. More features hopefully soon. SquallisbetterthanCloud 19:32, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

New update: Fighters section is now open including the same characters as in the North-American site thus far. Also the other sections aren't dark anymore so maybe they will open them today to. (Cloud still haves the lead votes with 66% :P). RogueMedal 7:58, March 3, 2011

Japanese Site Update

The japanese site has had a small update, it now includes Squall's Kingdom Hearts costume in the DLC section and the main walls shows either the warriors of cosmos or chaos upon loading.

By the way it also confirms that Squalls costume is available in Japan via the V-Jump code, we already knew that but now it's official.

Do I need to have played the other games?

I have never played a FF game before. I played the first Dissidia demo and enjoyed it. Do you think the story will confuse me when it comes out? -Guthix's mage2

Erm, maybe. A lot of references will be lost on you without playing the main series, but the plot of this game should be easy enough to follow. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:28, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to. You can enjoy the game perfectly well on its own merits. Jimcloud 23:35, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

well if u played dissida you would know a lot more about the game's plot.

but lucky for you after playing duodecim's story there is an upgraded version of the Dissidia story. User:RogueMedal

TBA replaced with None

Why were the "TBA" notes replaced with "None" in the character list? Even if no new characters are announced, it is still possible that the secret characters are from Final Fantasy VII and IX, much like Shantotto and Gabranth in the previous game.

No, it has been stated that Prishe and Gilgamesh will fulfill roles similar to those of Shantotto and Gabranth - when Prishe was revealed, she was specifically compared in an interview. Those two are the "secret characters." Teamrocketspy621 01:01, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

There's still the chance there will be a last minute surprise announcement. Remember the first Dissidia, there was no indication of Gabranth until the TV commercial released like, one week before the game came out. There's always time for them to sneak in someone else out of the blue. DoreikuKuroofangu 01:09, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT CONFLICT: Well, then why have they been introduced? Shantotto and Gabranth weren't revealed until after the game was released (or, at least, I think; I didn't keep up with the game like I did this one) because they were secret characters and therefore were kept secret the general populace until the game's release. However, Prishe and Gilgamesh have both been revealed in magazines and pictures and promotional posters, so, for all intents and purposes, they are not secret characters. Granted, they may be unlockable, but being unlockable is not the same thing as being a secret character. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 01:12, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

You assume that there's only two secret characters? Drake Clawfang (talk)

Yeah, there might be some other secret character(s). Remember the "mysterious" blank spot for FFXIII from hacked data? Then again, Shantotto and Gabranth were announced as a last update before the release, and we've got only two weeks before it. Nothing's lost yet, but don't get your hopes too high. TBA should stay on its place until we are completely sure. SquallisbetterthanCloud 01:25, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

For what reason? There not going to be anyone from VI nor IX they got stages instead.  NeoZEROX  01:28, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

That doesn't mean, that a BONUS character won't appear. And I'm not talking about only playable characters, but possible assist-only characters, like Aerith. SquallisbetterthanCloud 01:40, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Half of these talk articles just turn into deciding who is a secret character. -.- There's Desperado Chaos. People seem to be forgetting him. --MConor 17:59, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

They still "might" put Vivi.

Wait a minute, I'm lost here. Who said that Prishe and Gilgamesh are secret characters. I've never seen such a statement and besides in both characters cases I've seen screenshots of them interacting with characters in the story, Prishe talks to Shantotto and Warrior of Light (helmetless I might add which might mean something to the story) and in the recent magazine Scan, Gilgamesh is seen talking to Bartz.

And this means squat. Who had said, that bonus stories for those characters must look exactly the same as they looked in first Dissidia? Of course, those might be parts of main story as well... In any case, we'll know when the game will be released. About when it was stated, Teamrocket said it already. Read before posting. SquallisbetterthanCloud 02:35, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

You tell me to read before posting (which I did) and he says it was stated when Prishe was revealed, but he doesn't provide a reference, nor this is stated in their articles, so how am I to believe this?

Not to add more fuel to the fire, but I agree that TBA should be left up until one of the following... 1) The game is released and somebody unlocked every character. 2) It is announced from Square that no more new characters will appear. We need some time of PROVE, before we automatically assume something happens. I know VI and IX have a 1 to 100 shot of getting any character, assist only or not, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. Razordash 05:18, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Might I remind everyone that Square left room for up to 10 new characters and thus allowed for 1 character for every game SNES on, minus FF14, which was in parallel development and thus like FF13 probably not going to get anyone?

Simply put, Square is actually pretty good at keeping a lid on information in today's market. Were it not for hackers, we wouldn't have gotten an early look into Prishe and Gilgy. Nobody had info on Aerith before they released it. For all we know, we could be getting Eggman and Test 0 for surprise new characters. Leave the TBA. Bluestarultor ^BSA 02:34, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

ok realy 6 and 9 arnt getting characters there getting stages all games 1-10 get a stage or character we are still waiting for a 1 stage LagunaLeonHeart 02:46, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

This is based entirely on our own assumptions and could be totally wrong. We could get stages from two more games, neither of which is FF1, and get Lone Wolf from VI and Queen Stella from IX for all we know. That's become a real issue around here I think is that people are barreling into things "knowing" things based on their own convictions when we really don't even know what we don't know. Bluestarultor ^BSA 02:58, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

gilgamesh update

im new here but the gilgamesh needs an update with the new pics and full art of him can someone please do this??

Well we need to wait until we have clear images of them. Also put sign your posts with ~~~~ please.  NeoZEROX  02:14, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

how do i do that??

~~~~ That's how. You see that button next to "1" on the keyboard? No, not "2." The other one. Shift + That button. Four of those. Teamrocketspy621 02:37, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

ok thanks 2nd this is free right?? LagunaLeonHeart 02:43, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the wiki is free. ;) Bluestarultor ^BSA 03:04, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

im doing some editing on gilgamesh so it will include sword dance which is another hp attack that was confirmed and his role LagunaLeonHeart 03:17, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

summons

ok so are there any new pics of the new summons for dissidia 012 from the demo or is it like the other stuff found though hacks also Anima Bahumut Zero Zodiark and Doomtrain should be added as new summons LagunaLeonHeart 03:00, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

No pics. From what I can tell at the source, they were hacking Japanese text data. Also, to talk about what new summons "should" be added, please take it to The Blackjack. Bluestarultor ^BSA 03:03, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Legacy Editon

Hi, guys, i need to ask you something. I'm from Australia and i was wondering, The Legacy editon. I know it's coming out in Europe, but is it also coming out in Australia too? User:WarMonger89

Most likely, yes. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 03:23, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Definitely, yes. This was confirmed on their FB page. --84.250.61.217 11:13, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

FB Page? User:WarMonger89

I'm in Australia too and I wish I had known this earlier so I could have pre-ordered the Legacy edition instead of the standard one!

Animations

Mind if I add my Character Animations to mainspace? Jeffrey or SSFF6B 03:23, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Square-Enix to stream Duodecim launch party

This seemed to be big news, so I wanted to share it with everyone. They even announced that there would be new character details! Whether it meant new info on the recently announced characters or info on NEW characters is currently unknown.

http://www.finalfantasy.net/dissidia/012/squareenix-stream-duodecim-launch-party/

Nice find. It's nice to see Square really getting behind Dissidia 012 and really push the product. Hopefully someone will post this stuff to YouTube so us westerners can watch it if watching the live stream proves to be a bit difficult. I'm sure other users will have some sort of comment in awhile but great find nonetheless. Kamikaze Pardee 08:04, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Updated Japanese website

The Japanese website of 012 has updated, adding Prishe and Shanttoto to the list and also a new title screen upon entering the site. User:Redfangofflame

old news is old Judge Magister Pyarox 14:10, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Downloadable Characters

It has been stated on an EU site, that some characters from some games will be downloadable on the PlaystationNetwork. The only announced character so far is Ace from Type-0 that will be downloadable sometime in the future, however more characters will be downloadable as time passes by.

I don't buy it. At all. As in, even if you post the link to this "EU site," this is obviously fake. There are no DLC characters, only costumes and music. Teamrocketspy621 15:22, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIV Character?

How come we havn't seen anything about FFXIV in the game? I know that the game got very rating but still. Do you guys think there should be any mention of the game at all?Chocobo Rider 15:58, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

• Uhh... no. No, I'm sure Square would like to distance themselves from that little train wreck as much as possible.--Gibbeynator 16:32, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Random Dissidia pages for non-confirmed characters?

I just noticed someone made pages for characters who weren't confirmed or revealed. WHat's that about? Werehog 11:52 AM 2/21/2011 (UTC)

Either a troll or a very very dumb noob. - Henryacores^ 19:56, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'd go with "Dumb Noob". Werehog 2:15 PM 2/21/2011 (UTC)

JP site update: Movies

The movies section has been split into trailers, Gameplay and two new videos labeled WebCM Type-A and Type-B Zodiarkmaster 09:03, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

I just watched those... videos... Am... am I going to die?--204.225.7.17 13:10, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe... Zodiarkmaster 12:49, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reorganizing the Alternate Costume sections

Not sure how some people feel about this, but I was wondering if the attire section should be changed up a bit. We know more DLC is coming but not how many costume each character will get in the end. Cecil's section for example doesn't look too hot with all his forms gathered together and I can only imagine how it'll look when he gets a third costume set. So how would people feel about organizing them with a table? Something like this.

Costume	EX Mode	Description/Origins	Available
		Cloud's first alternate costume is his outfit from Advent Children. In this outfit his Buster Sword is replaced with the Fusion Swords.	Dissidia Dissidia 012
		Cloud's second alternate costume is based on Yoshitaka Amano's version of his SOLDIER uniform.	Dissidia 012
	N/A	Cloud's third alternate costume is based on his appearance in the Kingdom Hearts series.	Dissidia 012 as DLC

Yeah, just throwing this idea out there. Andres 17:27, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's too big for the appearance section which is sided with the infobox, can be said in text, and the availability column is completely useless as Dissidia only has one alternate costume for every character, and the two exceptions can be described in the description field. - Henryacores^ 18:25, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

If it won't fit in "Appearance," maybe it could be listed beneath the "In Battle" sections describing their moves, before "Allusions?" Doing something like this could help to clean out the galleries a little, so I'm for it, in some form. Teamrocketspy621 18:34, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's all I'm trying to suggest. Organize the Alt appearances (and EX Mode appearance) rather than clutter them up in one image and fill the gallery with the EX-Mode images.Andres 21:12, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Costume	EX Mode	Description/Origins
		Cloud's first alternate costume is his outfit from Advent Children. In this outfit his Buster Sword is replaced with the Fusion Swords. Available in Dissidia and Dissidia 012.
		Cloud's second alternate costume is based on Yoshitaka Amano's version of his SOLDIER uniform. Available in Dissidia 012.
	N/A	Cloud's third alternate costume is based on his appearance in the Kingdom Hearts series. Available in Dissidia 012 as a promotional DLC.

A second shot at this. Removing the Available into the Description section. But yeah, it comes down to where it would be placed since the infobox would be too close but I think it's a good idea. Just for organization sake and cleaning up the gallery. Andres 04:17, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Methinks you're misunderstanding. Drake put effort into making those combined images because we try as much as possible for info-at-a-glance. We want to take up less space, not more. Bluestarultor ^BSA 04:38, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well lets wait and see what Drake thinks of it, he may like this idea over the current set up. Ixbran 19:46, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Methinks this is unnecessary. It would also cause a tremendous blank space on every pages. - Henryacores^ 22:50, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

		Jacobmirror - “Huh…gone talking to a wall… ---Squall Leonhart TALK - 15:32, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
		Personally I like it. But that just might be me. If you can figure out a way to make it smaller, somehow, I think it will work with the pages. I think the costumes sections should be changed as well.

GILGAMESH

i hade to make a new account cause my password wont work but this is LagunaLeonHeart 2nd i have something

why didnt they keep his 8 costumes cardboard arms?? http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org1368705.jpg

someone please update the gilgamesh page we have good full pics his full art and screens

You call those "good, full pics?" No, wait until Thursday, when the official renders will be put up on the Japanese site. Thanks for posting this, though. Nice to see that his alternate costumes actually look different, from both his normal appearance and their original designs. Thank goodness the cardboard arms are gone, too... that was the only thing I didn't like about his VIII design. Eh, for all I know, he'll get 'em in EX Mode, but whatever. Here's hoping for his XII look as a DLC costume, though. Teamrocketspy621 02:06, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

I thought he'd get the cardboard arms in EX Mode too, and I was disappointed when I heard his second alt would be his sprite form instead of his XII appearance but seeing this scans, I'm not disappointed at all. But, how do you know they will be put on the japanese site on thursday??

Patterns. Every other time a character is revealed, they're revealed one week in a certain magazine, then the next shows off more of them in a different magazine. Their alternate costume, the alternate costumes of the characters who are from the same game as them, and the costumes for characters from another game, usually one that isn't getting a new character, are also shown. After that, the following Thursday, the official site is updated with the character pages for those who were in the magazine. The pattern hasn't been entirely consistent recently, because they've been revealing the alternate outfits for the new characters and slipped the I and II characters up on the site between reveals. The fact of the matter, though, is that the patterns have been consistent to the point that we know for sure that the site will update on Thursday. That should be tomorrow night, since Japan is ahead. Well, I say "ahead" from the EST time zone, and other people are bound not to be in EST, possibly by a few hours, but you know what I mean, right? Teamrocketspy621 02:43, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I do, thanks for the explanation, then that means sometime tommorrow night gilgy and the other V characters will finally be up on the site! Yea!! I live in Puerto Rico so the time diference from the US inst that great.

Considering Gilgy's XII costume, maybe they'll make it his EX Mode for his second alt? Either that or The Rift recolour Zodiarkmaster 13:13, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

his face is frozen like a mask TheUnsentWarrior 02:19, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Don't know what you're talking about. I think you might be looking at it wrong. Teamrocketspy621 02:43, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

http://img820.imageshack.us/i/wwwdotuporg1368746.jpg/

http://img826.imageshack.us/i/wwwdotuporg1368748.jpg/

more scans prishe bikini outfit yuna again also exdeath/bartz scan has some epic gil ex burst and combat pics

Gilgamesh gameplay

Enjoy. DoreikuKuroofangu 08:06, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

I wish they'd let him use more brave attacks. Crystal Legend 15:36, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

I don't get it if Terra is on Chaos's side this time why is Bartz using her Holy attack O.o 72.1.195.7 17:02, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

He also uuses Tidus' Brother hood to attack. Keep in mind that the original story line is also going to be playable in this game, so Bartz, Terra, and Tidus will eventually be on the same sides again. Razordash 17:09, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Gilgamesh attacks

ok so elctric shock is a brave attack i think i saw death claw before he used the 1st rocket punch in the vid it was a brave so can we add that 2 brave attacks also he used sword dance as a hp attack

JP site update

Gilgamesh has just been added to the Japanese site. Not sure if this is old news, but it means we have high quality pictures and his full EX Burst available now. Also Gilgamesh's EX Mode has been edited, but it's only through weapon looks. Zodiarkmaster 12:54, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Also, either you can select your opponent's costume now or it's two players in Gilgamesh's battle video... Zodiarkmaster 13:00, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

I think the computer randomly selects it's own costume now. But Gilgamesh EX burst at the very end of the video... LMAO!!! I could barely contain myself, He throws Excalipur/poor up in disbelieve and it lands on Bartz freakin head, lol! Also Gilgamesh Victory pose at the end, he's being applaud? Too rich. Razordash 13:14, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

That was awesome!!! Also, if you get perfect, he apparently does Ultimate Illusion from FFXII. Zodiarkmaster 13:36, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Now that was a bit of a shocker for me. I mean, I know the Excalibur resembles the Tournesol a bit, and his Genji Katana is made to look like Auron's, but I didn't expect his EX Burst to be one of his signature attacks from XII (although now I kind of wish he used Bitter End and Monarch Sword in some way, too, lol). It seemed like they weren't going to take much inspiration from that appearance. But now this all looks like a good sign for more XII references than I initially expected. Still putting my hopes on a XII-based DLC costume! Teamrocketspy621 18:51, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

They also added the EX Bursts and outfits for every character, including Aerith! Which I was pleasantly suprised by. I want to use her Crisis Core one haha. --4.49.110.26 15:27, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Arenas

Are there gonna be anymore new arenas? --Jacobmirror 15:28, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Go away to the Forums...SquallisbetterthanCloud 16:33, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ex Force

Recent gameplay trailers shows, that the Ex-cores generate more Ex-Force than they did in Prologus. Apparently, Squareenix understood the complaints of players after the Demo. To get this clear: On Gilgamesh's gameplay vid, after Gilgamesh uses EX-Burst for the first time, he goes after a full ex-core, and it fills his emptied ex gauge in 3/4, as opposed to only half it did in Prologus. Yet still, I'm not 100% sure about this, it could be some Accessory, or Ability so let's leave it for the week, until the release to be accurate. SquallisbetterthanCloud 16:33, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

I've not played prologus, so I don't know for sure, but you seem to be right, as I've seen videos from prologus and people are lucky if they fill up their ex gauge once by the end of the battle. However the videos I've seen they've collected the two winged ones and it took them about under half way, so a full one could of taken them up to 3/4. As I've said though I've only seen videos, never played. Sephiroth157 12:35, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

I have the demo, and I am pretty sure it is based directly off of how much ex force is absorbed. For example, if there is enough ex force to fill 25% of your ex bar, it will grow one wing. If it has 50% or more, it will grow 2 wings. Also, the amount of ex force it will give you will also not increase by itself, it increases purely from ex force on the field. In my opinion, everybody only thinks that ex cores have been decreased in strength is because there are so many things that absorb ex force now, and I find that I gain ex mode almost as quickly as the first game.ADDynamite414 04:42, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

European Translation

is it true...and is it really official that Dissidia 012 will only be only partially translated like the Trivia in Dissidia 012 page says? i've read somewhere that ONLY the menu will be in english, but other things will be translated, and game manual and subtitles will be in their respective language... can please somebody tell me?Toto88 19:00, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Story mode, subtitles and tutorials will be translated, while Abilities names, Items, Locations and battle messages will remain in English. Nothing is known about Menus so far, because noone seen Menu screens yet. (Or so it seems, I couldn't find it.) Here [1] is the thread with french screenshots. SquallisbetterthanCloud 23:26, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

But this makes no sense; the first Dissidia was completely translated, as all the installments since Final Fantasy VII... Crimson Jealous 01:10, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

I presume though, that the English version of legacy edition will all be in English? Sephiroth157 12:23, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Are we sure that's 100% true? that site is a realiable source? i mean...like Yuna's voice actress cannot be added in Yuna's page because "there's not a reliable source since the game will be released" but we can clearly hear her voice in her EX Burst video...the "translation thing" can be posted in the trivia?, ok there are some french screenshots wich shows that..., (and there's even Hedy Buress voice in the EX Burst video of Yuna...but we are not sure that its her voice...OH MY!)?...there is a realiable source confiring that the game will not be translated 100% in every language?...if Yuna's voice in the video is not a reliable source...then...even french screenshots cannot be a realiable source...right?...we cannot be sure if that "translation thing" is real if the game is not out yet.Toto88 15:09, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

The thing about a voice is, unless you have the dubious gift of synesthesia, you can't see it, and you certainly can't write it down for confirmation. That's pretty well what voice actors do is make voices that aren't their own.

As for the translation, Square's done it before where the voice doesn't get translated and everything else does. Wondering if menus won't be translated is just plain silly, since those are the most important thing for playing the game and the smallest, least complicated part of the deal, since they don't need context to be properly understood. Bluestarultor ^BSA 15:23, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

In the european site, it's written that the menus will be in english (in France it will be dubbed too). I was pretty disappointed when I discovered this, because it suonded like they forgot something. A half-translated game, even if intentionally, sounds like an incomplete game. And this time it's for all Europe, because in Italy (I'm Italian) many games, especially spin-offs, aren't even translated. Why this I don't know. --Pmbarbieri 15:26, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

There's no need to be rude when you're answering a question...i know that menus are not the most important things for a game...but contributes to have a good game with everything in the right place...

e Pmbarbieri, sono italiano anche io :DToto88 15:50, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Kefka's funny moments wouldn't be the same.

why not? there are subtitles and european voice actors...and events would be translated aswellToto88 21:31, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

New Character from FF9 and FF6 for FF Dissidia Duodecim 012

Who Character from FF 9 and FF 6?? to Final Fantasy Dissidia Duodecim?? Eiko and Locke? ,or ??

We don't know who, if anyone, will come from either of them. That's why it's "TBA." Also, please sign your posts by typing "~~~~" at the end, quotes not needed. ;) Bluestarultor ^BSA 03:41, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

If there's any justice it'll be Celes and Beatrix on the Chaos side.--Gibbeynator 16:04, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say there should be more villains and one or two more hero in Dissidia 012. For Cosmos, I'd pick Vivi and Celes, since there aren't allot of villains in VI. And for Chaos, I would pick Dysley or Cid, and ad Fang from XIII, Raogrimm and Lilisette from XI, Seymour from X, Seifer from VIII, Zeromus from IV, and finally, Beatrix from IX. That should make for an equel roster of heroes and villains. Werehog 11:16 AM 2/27/2011 (UTC)

well, it's not up to us to decide how many and which characters put in Dissidia 012...however, i don't think that there will be more characters in the game, there is not enough time to reveal other characters, the game will be out in Japan really soon...and i don't see a reason why 8 characters have been revealed and other hypothetical characters will remain a secret...but i'm still hoping to be wrong because i was hoping since the beginning to see another FF6 character.Toto88 19:28, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Are you people blind, or just stupid? Can't you see the big, red letters at the top of this page? GO TO THE FORUMS WITH THIS STUFF!!! SquallisbetterthanCloud 19:56, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

and you lack of kindness or just having a mouse in your right hand makes you feel on top of the world?...you can tell people to go to the forum without being so rude...

After telling the same thing over and over countless times, you kinda get bored of being nice to idiots, y'know. SquallisbetterthanCloud 23:36, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Some fans do that, they believe 'this' can happen, and 'that' is a possibility. I admit, I am wishful for more characters, but I know the obvious truth, there won't be anymore characters left to announce after they announce Desperado Chaos. It's sad, but it's all Dissidia can offer at the moment. Werehog 4:26 PM 2/27/2011 (UTC)

well, in the exact moment you decide to contribute in this site, it's your duty to be nice with people, because most of them are not rude with you...in my opinion, if you dont want to be nice with them, you should leave...or perhabs don't answer if you really don't care of what people say...then dont "tell the same thing over and over contless times"...let someone else MORE KIND THAN YOU to answer.

People. . . just listen to Squall, in truth he has a point. At the top of the damn page, it says in big bold, bright red colors not to have a topic like this in this page. It really takes either someone who's blind or just stupid not to notice it.Blacksnowdog 01:07, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Besides, Squall isn't being rude he's just being honest, if you'd have bothered to read even part of the page you'd have seen not only the notice at the top, but also the countless times Squall has told other blind/stupid/disobedient people on the talk page to go to the forums Sephiroth157 18:28, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Japanese site updated

Hey guys! It seems the japanese hp of 012 has been updated again and gilgamesh is now on the characters page. Ps.: Only 3 weeks left wohoooo^^ (in austria ;) ) Alexkon33 16:54, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Gilgamesh was added to the JP a while ago, I told everyone on the same day it was updated. ZodiarkMaster 18:03, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Aye well then sry my fault xD Alexkon33 18:05, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well a new update has just been put up guys =/ tv commercial and wallpapers. Blacksnowdog 08:30, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Balthier TBR Notice

Forgive me for being stupid sometimes, but this notice will remain until the game is released in all regions, correct? Jeffrey or SSFF6B 17:15, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

What on Earth are you talking about? HedgehogPie 17:55, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

I believe he means the template at the top of the page. In which case, probably yes, since we'll want the official English translation. Bluestarultor ^BSA 18:03, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

The final playable character reveal...

http://twitpic.com/458xp9 Best thing to happen to FF since Auron. This is....tears man, tears D8 Kaihedgie

Well, it sucks that there are no more, but that's life I guess... A playable version of Chaos might make up for that, who knows? HedgehogPie 08:08, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Might make up for it? MIGHT MAKE UP FOR IT? IT'S THE GOD OF DISCORD ON STEROIDS, AND HE'S FULLY PLAYABLE D: Kaihedgie 08:43, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that's a shocker...not! This stinks, it's been a shorter Chaos this whole time? It's so stupid! People already figured it out after some lucky hacker hacked through the 012 demo and people couldn't make heads or tails on wheather or not he was a playable character or a boss, now the secret's revealed, and HE'S THE FINAL CHARACTER?! This is officially a rip-off of all Final Fantasy history! I'm sorry, but in my opinion, this game was a waste of time the minute the hacker already revealed the characters! Werehog 12:54 AM 3/2/2011 (UYC)

Troll much? He doesn't even look shorter. Kaihedgie 09:01, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Werehog, it's really kinda stupid and anti-climatic as a character. And yes, he's much shorter >> look at the featured picture. Compare him to the character he's attackingBlacksnowdog 10:39, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Calm yo' shit. It's not Square's fault some dickweed hacked their game (How do you feel when you play with hackers in Modern Warfare 2? Don't like it? Same thing.), and just because some idiots decided to ruin the the game for us doesn't mean Square has to ruin the surprise(es) for everyone else. Go outside and get some of that anger out, you look really stupid. --ShirubaKurono  11:34, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

What's with the hate? If he was never revealed ahead of time, he would be completely out of the blue. 24.56.204.236 12:22, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm only irritated that it's a smaller version of chaos, that's PLAYABLE. I was really hoping it would be a boss or something. . . But who knows! Maybe, maybe maybe 1% maybe, we'll get a VI/IX character as well >> my dreams are going to die, I know.Blacksnowdog 12:24, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

heh heh, palyable chaos, totally called it. Razordash 12:28, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

What in the world made you think he ISN'T the boss. Good gravy you guys are an ungrateful bunch x: Kaihedgie 12:47, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe they chose an original character over a character from VI/IX. Very disappointed I am in you Square-Enix. All that anticipation was wasted. --Dakk Tribal "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 16:29, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Chaos isn't original Kaihedgie 16:56, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Desperado Chaos is though. --Dakk Tribal "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 16:58, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

That doesn't count. At all Kaihedgie 18:41, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Here's some gameplay footage I found. The quality isn't the best but it's better than nothing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms-NdJ6z1A4  Kamikaze Pardee 17:24, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

You're telling me he's smaller with this? He just looks like he's running around like a...a...a dog. Perhaps you were hoping for Utter chaos? Razordash 17:46, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, he looks about the same size as his previous appearance. It looks like Desperado Chaos is a bit more feral and savage-like in his attacks. Maybe this is what Chaos would have looked like in the first Dissidia if he had an actual EX Mode like the other playable characters.  Kamikaze Pardee 17:53, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like Desperado Chaos can't use assist characters, judging from the fact that his assist guage didn't fill up at all. And what's up with his EX burst? HedgehogPie 19:08, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

I would dare say he had some manner of accessory that increases his EX Gauge to full at the cost of preventing him from raising his Assist Gauge. We won't know till people get their hands on the game. Jimcloud 19:10, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

lol he kinda reminds me of 4/6-tailed Naruto which is a bad sign xD, but this beast is huge how is it gonna move in old pendo or in Phantom train? its not that i dont like D.Chaos but he just seems like a waste of space which they could have used for VI/IX chars Judge Magister Pyarox 20:19, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

I just wonder how the hell would two of these guys move in Phantom Train. Vatek 21:51, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

That D-Chaos is included in the characters list (for duodecim on this wiki) i can understand but that Cosmos and CHaos are included (as dissida characters) isn't right. They aren't playable (if the player isn't using type of hacks) so why are they in there??? Permission to remove them??? RogueMedal

I'd say we should keep them. After all, they are quite important characters, even if they are unplayable, which is mentioned in the foot note. So let's keep them there, okay?
On another notice, if we are including those two on the reason of being major characters in terms of the story, should we include Cid of the Lufaine as well? He is, after all, a very major character in terms of the story... MirrorshardSceada 07:21, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

The only reason I don't like this new character is for the fact that fighting Chaos was fighting a god, now that you get to be a god...well, it bring Chaos down to the level of everybody else. And not to mention, now everybody is going to be using Chaos to no end. Would rather him not playable to be honest. Seymour or Shadow or somebody else would have been better in my opinion. --58.174.210.15 00:39, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Zidane and Kuja 4th alt?

This was found by someone in gamefaq, I'm a bit of a skeptic so I'll ask yalls opinion if this is legit? Razordash 12:28, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6328/4ths.jpg.

. . . i didn't think it could be true. . . but someone made Kuja look even more feminineBlacksnowdog 12:32, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

It's real. They showed these outfits on the live stream of the release party. I saw it. Lol at Kuja. Koharu Nami 12:33, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

God that's kinda sad xD although I'm still gonna use that alt for Kuja *cause it's better than his recolors*Blacksnowdog 12:38, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

At least Kuja won't get ANOTHER stupid palette swap...--Gibbeynator 12:39, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Kuja's new costume reminds me of The Simpsons...--Gibbeynator 13:55, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Kuja looks weird, but Zidane looks epic. --Dakk Tribal "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 16:33, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

I would've hoped for a costume based on that Amano art that's supposedly Kuja (nobody's really sure, and I can't find it on the Wiki so I could link to it for everyone to make their own judgment), but this costume, silly-looking hat and all, is worthy of being DLC, if only because it means Kuja doesn't get another recolor. Zidane's confuses me. I mean, I understand the influence, but it just seems a little bit bland. It also kind of makes me a little skeptical on how well it will animate. Teamrocketspy621 16:42, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

You can't find it because we finally found out that it was not, in fact, an Amano art of Kuja, it was someone else. His supposed tail was actually a whip. Jimcloud 18:10, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, good to hear that was cleared up. Who was it, anyway? Teamrocketspy621 21:02, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Does this mean we'll see a new game somehow related to FFIX soon? Or should we expect these as straight-up DLC? HedgehogPie 19:12, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

This conversation should be held on Kuja's or Zidane's talk page.--Lord of the Dark Depths 19:59, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

The discussion of Zidane and Kuja's latest costumes are ok to talk about here just as much, Since we're talking about two characters, I placed it here to avoid split page comments and confusion. Now are the personal profile talk pages more appropriate? possibly yes, but that doesn't make it wrong to talk about here. Now as far as speculation that hedgehogpie just did it might better to do it in the blackjack. However since the costumes are news, there's nothing wrong with talking about them here, at least as far as I understand. Razordash 21:01, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Uhh...No. If there are any doubts about this being real or not, any additional info released about their origin, or other news then yes, it has a place here. But if someone wants to start a discussion about likes/dislikes/what should it look like/personal oppinion/thoughts or other shit, then that should go to characters talk pages, or even better- to the forums. SquallisbetterthanCloud 21:36, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well my point is that some of the discussions talked about here could fit on to other talk pages.There has been an over discussion on this talk page.--Lord of the Dark Depths 21:39, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well since this is a place for news, apparently your gonna have to PAY for these DLC costumes. . . Yup, your reaction is probably the same one I had when I found out.Blacksnowdog 08:09, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

"meh"? DoreikuKuroofangu 08:15, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Helmetless characters?

What's up with the helmetless versions of Kain and WoL? Are these actual alternate costumes, or just cutscene filler?--Gibbeynator 01:46, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Probably for cutscenes, but, if Square feels lazy, they could end up as being their DLC costumes, lol. Teamrocketspy621 01:47, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well, speak of the devil. Apparently Warrior of Light's DLC costume, his helmetless look, has gone up on the Japanese PSN for free. Teamrocketspy621 04:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

You know, I think every single character that had a helmet in dissidia lost it with a new costume xD WoL, Garland, Onion Knight, Golbez, Kain, Exdeath, and Gabranth! Blacksnowdog 04:19, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'd actually like to see a helmeted character without it as actual gameplay, instead of just in cutscenes. Anyway, back on topic. TRS is probably right. --Innosense 16:48, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Released already in Japan

So why is the new character (on the table) for FFIX and FFVI still have TBA in them??? Just wondering SΓΣamyGoreng Put Tang In A Moo 09:08, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Mostly for the reason that there is still the possibility of one or more hidden characters, that have yet to be found by the japanese gamers. As soon as we have a confirmation that there won't be any hidden characters, it can be changed to None (or to the character of course, should there be one). MirrorshardSceada 09:19, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I long been for keeping TBA, but now I believe it's about time we start changing it to none. Let's be realistic here... We all pretty much figure out there's not going to be another new character at all. The Chaos reveal was very likely the last reveal we're getting. Due to this and the Japanese game release I say it's a perfect time to change it to none. We've waited long enough... Of course if someone does find a secret character than we just simply been wrong, it's not like that hasn't happen before. I think we need start being realistic and keep it at none unless some miracle happens. Razordash 10:46, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I agree, but I think we should wait for one of the pickier members to come over to this side so we don't have another edit war.  Kamikaze Pardee 10:49, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

We can be completely realistic when the game is completely confirmed to have no more characters in it. 8bit 14:47, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

And...when is that time? Razordash 15:28, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

When some guy completes the story and uploads some pictures for us. etc.

^ Yup. 8bit 16:49, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

some one has completed the story and only uploaded the bloody ending cutsceen on youtube, but ive asked him to upload the rest of the gameSamusAran201 19:40, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I finished scanning the game's .GMO files last night. Unfortunately, there are no new reps from VI or IX (unless I didn't search hard enough). :( Jeffrey or SSFF6B 20:28, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I. . am a sad panda now :C I would ask for one more search but it's useless DX no characters from two of the best. . . Well, we can be hopeful for DLC's later on >> Blacksnowdog

hey um now that the game is out can we update the story section to tell us what the hell is going on in this game,please? SamusAran201 02:40, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Depends. Does anybody here actually know the plot yet? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:28, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Characters Table and Navigation Template

I think Chaos and Cosmos should be removed from the characters table. I know they are returning characters, but I think that only should only be listed here, characters that are controlled by the player in some way. It will confuse readers, there is only a small note that is barely there that only says "NPC". They were just added NOW for the sake of being added because of Desperado Chaos. Also avoid the thing of which game comes Chaos, and Cid of Lufaine, that is also a returning character by the way. In the navigation template there they are listed as non playable characters anyway, if we don't read the articles.

And i think since the whole cosmos side/ chaos side is sorted out, new characters should be listed under the respective side. If i'm not wrong, the isn't another template of an sequel or so that separate new characters. Who's new or not, is told in the articles... etc... just my opinion. --CookiePinguy 17:09, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Returning Characters... come on they are bloody characters. Cid is only a Narrator. Either way, we are not taking neither Chaos or Cosmos away from the page. yeah_93, Visit my Dissidia Characters Guide! 17:13, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Cid HAVE impact on the plot, also he talked to another character directly in the first disidia for example, just because you just hear his voice doesn't mean that is only and just a merely narrator.

But that hardly have relevance in the topic anyway, just pointing out. --CookiePinguy 17:19, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm all for placing Cosmos and Chaos in the returning characters as long as we had something to mark that they're not playable. I'm fine with not adding them to the list either if thats what everyone wants. Razordash 21:15, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Have changes been made since the demo?

I'm wondering if any changes have been made to the game since the demo like small changes to damage, stats, critical hit rate etc or speed of chases? Has anybody come across any if they exist, and should it be mentioned on the page (if there are)?

Go to Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy/Gameplay Changes. SquallisbetterthanCloud 11:07, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

opening movie

Is there no new awesome opening movie like in the first dissidia. You know when all characters fight each other. The only one ive seen is a movie that shows all characters according to the game they are in and it uses clips from the old opening. It also doesnt show the part where Cosmos gives her warriors that light. I was just wondering cose the one I saw was pretty lame. --Franc 3 15:29, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the opening movie, pretty lame and also if you look at the scene where Zidane fights against whoever, you can clearly see Tidus's legs which are in his first Dissidia outfit helping Zidane, even though he's a Choas warrior. This is quite a big continuity error and Square's part. Hmmm....and shouldn't this be posted in the forum or is it ok here? And also to add the scene where Cosmos gives them their "powers" to form the crystals, not the crystals themselves as they have to earn them is at the start of chaper 1/end of chapter 0. as they do have a few normnal FMV cutscenes now. --Yunagal95 15:42, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Really. This sucks. The opening movie was one of the things I was looking forward the most because the first dissidia's opening movie was one of the best I have ever seen. O well its still gona be an awesome game but this is a very big mistake on squares par. --Franc 3 15:56, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

If SE realise their mistake, then we may see a new/better version in the english release, just as we saw some extra content that was'nt featured in the original version of the japanese dissidia.Crystal Legend 02:00, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Doubt it. The English version comes out in a couple of weeks. To short of a time period to make a new opening.

Their mistake? They have at least 4 other fmv videos that actually relate to the plot this time. I kinda prefer that. Also, I am loving all the new sections they did add into the opening. Also, its kinda like what the poster above said except a bit more, you know we had 8 months in between the Japanese and English versions last time hence how we got extras. Its impossible to add just about anything with the time we have left. --24.3.65.89 10:10, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

I agree there is no time for a new opening to come out since the game is about to come out. Im just I loved the first dissidias opening I watched it like 1oo times and I tink that this new one kinda sucks i thought that all the fmvs in the trailers would be part of the opening but i guess not. I also think its a mistake on squares part but its still an awesome game and theres nothing we can do about the opening.

Story

So what's the story structured like? Do we not get to play as the other characters from the series other than the new ones?

SPOILERS, ASSUMING THAT MOST PEOPLE READING THIS A) DON'T ALREADY KNOW MOST OF THIS INFORMATION OUT OF THEIR OWN RESEARCH AND/OR CURIOSITY, AND B) ALSO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT GETTING ALL THIS SPOILED, PARTICULARLY THE STUFF TOWARD THE END

From what I've read, the story of the 12th cycle of war has you play through different chapters with parties made up of the new characters as well as a few of the old ones, I think. Apparently, no one's really interested in playing through the 13th cycle again, so the only other stuff I know has to do with the reports. Apparently, by playing through the story (?) you unlock reports to read about the rest of the story that isn't usually shown. By pressing "Square" when you are reading a report and see blue text, it lets you play a sort of side-story that shows what the characters from the first game, both Cosmos and Chaos (I guess these are the "Chaos story modes" that everyone thought were going to end with a Cosmos boss, lol) are doing during the 12th cycle - this includes things related to Shantotto, Gabranth, Prishe, and Gilgamesh (but I'm still not exactly sure what role they play, if Prishe and Gilgamesh's stuff is actually during the 12th war). These side stories flesh out the 12th war a little more than just showing what the new characters did. Lastly, I know that there's [what I believe is called] "Report 000" or "Story 000" or something like that. That's where you get to roam the world map a little, go through some dungeons that are apparently pretty tough, and end it off by fighting Desperado Chaos with, I think, a party of any five characters (Chaos, Cosmos, you name it...). It's kind of like fighting Chaos at the end of Inward Chaos in the first game. He's pretty much a superboss, except for the fact that you can play as him. Overall, the story's structured very differently from the first game.

END SPOILERS Teamrocketspy621 04:22, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers So basically, the new characters died http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRqLo3itodk Spoiler ends here SΓΣamyGoreng "I'm a blabber mouth, i'll report you to this user if you say those thing again BLAH *steamygoreng vomits from disgust*!!!" 12:05, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Save Data

Transferring Save data from the first Dissidia only transfer characters level? i mean, it's ok...but, what about abilities, accessories, accessories slots and equip?...it would be a shame if the only thing we can tranfer in the new game would be just characters level losing all equipment, abilities and accessories.

I've learned from others that all your mastered abilities will be transfered. However as far as the other things you talked about goes it seems they will not be able to carry over from the original game. It seems we'll have to go through more treasure hunting. Razordash 15:14, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, it seems Accesory slots also carry over, but that is just about it with levels and abilities. Razordash 15:16, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

ok thank you! i just want to be sure if i have to get the most powerful accessories and the most powerful weapons again or if i can transfer them! thank you again. However, i'm glad to know that accessory slots can be transferred too!

It's kinda weird, i.e a Cloud thats a lv. 100 eqquippng a buster sword at the first place, kinda gonna never play that one, sheeesh. BusterTsurugi2NE1 15:27, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

The HP limit info

I wanted to discuss what is probably a pretty hot debate in how high can a player raise his HP. I've actually seen more than one Video that goes well beyond 10,300 (Which we current say we seen this as the highest HP Limit). Now I know the first thing that runs through our minds is it's impossible to do this without CWcheats. ZellDincht1226 who post several youtube videos has claimed that the Accesories he used to raise his HP are obtainable as he described on his Desperado chaos video. He also Desperado chaos HP is like any other characters HP at max level for the players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhAWJX46hxQ.

Granted I don't know much about this person, but as far as I know he doesn't seem to have anything to lie about. Now when he says they're obtainable, was he intentionally being specific to not actually lie? I don't know. But it seems he also has Accesories that boost his EX force absolutely insane. Spend some time to watch some of his videos. Can anyone else who has the game try their best and confirm or de-confirm this? Razordash 00:17, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'm also curious about the HP limit. In this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmMO5soegoc, Gilgamesh starts out with 10,599 HP but it's unclear if it's from an accessory or otherwise. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.  Kamikaze Pardee 

I think the accessory's hacked because in this other video, the uploader even says it was hacked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgugN1026p0&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh+div-1r-2-HM

So, do Accessories and Equipment get transferred or not? I'm confused... @.@ Can someone please make a list of what transfers and a list of what does not? Sorry for the trouble. ^^ 173.80.92.132 04:45, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Apparently, the transfer brings over your levels, all your mastered abilities (they stay mastered, otherwise they go back to 0) , and extra item slots. Im not sure if it brings over skills you bought with Lore, but it might.--Sinez 12:50, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evDUEhaTlwA There's D. Chaos with over 100,000 health. --MConor 19:05, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

I just found out some information. Apparently there IS a legit way of getting extremely high HP. There are two Specific Accesories that provide these that are picked up in the Labyrinth area..

One of them provides +500% to your Max HP
The other provides 50K Extra HP

I don't know if they're breakable or not, however given how overpowering they are, the odds are very likely. They're pretty much the new Raisens.

DFF012 Ending movie

SPOILERS, ASSUMING THAT MOST PEOPLE READING THIS A) DON'T ALREADY KNOW MOST OF THIS INFORMATION OUT OF THEIR OWN RESEARCH AND/OR CURIOSITY, AND B) ALSO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT GETTING ALL THIS SPOILED, PARTICULARLY THE STUFF TOWARD THE END

So,based on the ending movie of DFF012...Lightning,Yuna,Tifa,Laguna,Vaan,Kain went to fight the manikins in their nest n outnumbered n eventually fall unconscious with their body is vanishing away.while WoL still stand fighting the manikins that managed to get near Cosmos...exhausted by the infinite manikins that are in there...then,Cosmos using her last power dismiss the manikins n teleport WoL n herself somewhere where Shinryu begins to resurrect the unconscious Cosmos n her warriors excluding Lightning n the other 5.WoL watching all the purging by Shinryu, collapsed becoz of the awesomeness(perhaps?lol).Then does begins the 013. Question, why Ligthning n the others vanished into thin air instead being resurrect too?is what Kain did by knocked down Zidane,Bartz,Firion,n many others so they would be able to fight again in the next cycle (by letting them not fighting the manikins?) knowing that the war this time will be in Chaos favor? Someone who understands japanese n the story please help???(oh btw,the movie is epic!>,<best FF ever!likes all the soundtracks there!)L U N A R 15:11, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

This shouldn't really be here, it should be in the forums. and also you are spoiling the game for other people (as your spoilers unmarked. Ask this in the forum and I will answer you (as I know whats going on) --Yunagal95 15:27, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Chase sequences

Is it just me or are the chase sequences too fast and hard for anyone's liking. I'm starting to get the hang of it, but it's still too hard. >:U

You should probably ask this question somewhere else, like at The Blackjack, where there's a Dissidia 012 discussion thread and sign your posts with "~~~~".  Kamikaze Pardee 00:24, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Alternate Costumes

A question hovering in my mind for a while now: Other than levels, CP and Accesory Slots, do the alternate costumes from the first game carry over if you bought them in the PP Catalog or do you have to buy them again? User:Cecil the Paladin

You have to repurchase them. SSFF6B's DDFF Character Animations. Talk to me! 01:38, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

That sucks!

That's odd, I thought I heard that everything you purchased in the PP Catalog gets transferred over as well, costumes and music included. This is puzzling indeed. Could we get the input of someone else, perhaps someone who's played the game and done the data transfer? :\ Teamrocketspy621 23:02, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well, in case I'm wrong, I'm going to double check it right now. SSFF6B's DDFF Character Animations. Talk to me! 04:46, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

The costumes do carry over. --MConor 16:37, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

movesets

can we add bartzs dissidia 012 moveset on the bartz klauser/dissidia page and add the other returning characetrs new moves on as well??

I'd wait for Dissidia 012 to hit the west first. That way we can add the correct names directly - Henryacores^ 20:32, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Dissidia save tranfer file

Is it really true that you can transfer Dissidia's save file to Dissidia 012 or is that just a rumor? Spikey09 14:27, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

"Save data from the original Dissidia will be able to be transferred to Dissidia 012, such as character levels and as a bonus, you will receive a special accessory. The storyline of the original Dissidia, adapted to the new story gameplay mechanics, will be playable after the new storyline of Dissidia 012 has been completed. The original Dissidia storyline is in order by which Warrior of Cosmos obtained their crystal first, beginning with Cloud (Easy) to the Warrior of Light (Hard), however, any story can be played in any order."

Right on the article itself. For more details, you'll just have to wait about a week until the full game's release in NA.  Kamikaze Pardee  14:33, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah i can fucking read douchebag, I'm wondering how the hell you got the facts? Where's the sources to this info? God, why can people stop being assholes!! Spikey09 05:09, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

No need to be rude. I wasn't trying to be mean or anything, just trying to help you out is all. We only know so much at this time and whenever we find out more info, it will be put up on the page.  Kamikaze Pardee  05:21, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

It's usually safe to assume when someone puts a question up here that they haven't read the text. For some reason, people often put questions here without reading. As for where it came from, I'd recommend looking at the bottom, where the references are, but I've done it for you this time and I have found this link. Scroll down to "Carrying Over Save Data." If that isn't enough proof for you, I know people who have played the Japanese version, and they say that you can, however, they can't actually transfer their data, since different regions don't have compatible transfers. What I can tell you, is, it will have the levels of characters transferred over, which will work just fine, since you can't play as the old characters in the storyline of Duodecim anyways (though you can in the regular Dissidia storyline that comes with it, obviously). Jimcloud 05:49, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Stupid question, but does save data transfer only transfer one character's stats, or all of them?--75.130.61.226 19:44, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Omega Stages

So, what are all the Omega modes for the new stages? Sky Fortress Bahamut, Empyreal Paradox, and Orphan's Cradle all have theirs on their pages. What about Hell's Throne, Crystal Tower, Phantom Train, and Prima Vista? FaythOfFenrir 17:17, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Nobody on the Wiki knows them yet? RumDrools 12:09, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

We don't know about them because there are no Omega versions of those stages. Teamrocketspy621 12:16, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Um, I've seen videos with people fighting on their omega stages... 0_o --173.80.92.132 20:11, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

If you're talking about Empyreal Paradox, Sky Fortress Bahamut, and Orphan's Cradle, we're not on the same page, lol. Teamrocketspy621 18:37, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Every stage still has an Omega version, we just don't know the alternate rules yet. RumDrools 06:00, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

If we have gameplay videos, then yes we do. Just sayin'. ZodiarkMaster 20:23, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Destiny Odyssey for secret characters?

I was just wondering about something, even though the new characters get their own story arcs in 012, do the Secret Characters Shantotto, Gabranth, Prishe, and Gilgamesh, get their own Destiny Odyssey to? Werehog 12:36 PM 3/16/2011 (UTC)

In Dissidia 012 there are no Destiny Odyss's, there are only 8 chapters where you will play as: Lightning, Laguna, Yuna, Tifa, Vaan and Kain. All other characters "stories" are shown in reports that you unlock by playing 012 and 013. Prishe, shantotto, Gabranth and Gilgamesh are all featured in Report 8 which you will unlock by completing Dissidia 012 and completing the first part of 013. btw you have to play through ALL chapters in order to complete the game unlike Dissidia where you can play one destiny Odyssy then play against Chaos. --Yunagal95 19:41, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if I understand it right, but what your saying is the SC don't have their own chapters, right? Werehog 12:47 PM 3/16/2011 (UTC)

There is one chapter for the four of them. RumDrools 03:20, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Online Battles?

Will there be a online mode in this game? I know that the page says something about watching other people playing on your PSP but is that a local thing?Chocobo Rider 18:27, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

The custom quest mode is WiFi, Tournament Mode is local, and the only internet play is still Ad-Hoc. RumDrools 05:13, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

The Storylines

Could someone notify whether they have finished writing out each character's own personal story on their page (destiny oddysey) and just put a notification here on this spot or somewhere in the article itself? Like, when someone has finished summarizing Kain's Destiny Oddysey, could they just put a little comment that they have done so right under this section? Thank you for being a big help! :-) --Jacobmirror 07:14, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Cloud's European Kingdom Hearts Costume

So, the game is out this friday in Europe...Any news about how european players can access to this costume?

None yet. Most people are assuming that the regional bonuses will eventually become DLC. Europe getting KH Cloud, NA getting Enforcer Tifa, etc. Also, please remember to sign posts with four tildes. RumDrools 07:05, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! oh! so sorry! i forgot to sign! i was distracted! Toto88 10:16, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

tifa downlodable

I preordered duodecim from amazon but I dont have tifa's bonus costume can anyone explain how I can aquire it. I already have duodecim with me and she doesnt have it.

The costume didn't come pre-loaded in the game, lol. You have to find a specific twelve-character code on some sort of voucher or receipt that came with the game. I don't quite know; since I pre-ordered with GameStop instead (I never buy anything online, so I don't quite know... did you get any sorts of e-mails about it being shipped to you or something?), a receipt is what I got. Teamrocketspy621 01:43, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

North American Release Date Issues?

So I'm just wondering if this is Canada getting screwed over, but the release date when I pre-ordered the game waws the 22nd of March. On the 18th I was informed that the games would be shipped on the 22nd, and would likely arrive the 23rd or 24th. Today I phoned in to EB Games (GameStop) and was told that the game would be in on Monday or Tuesday. After calling around, Best Buy, FutureShop and WalMart also have not received shipments of the game.
Is this an issue caused by the Tsunami, or just a localized problem? (Located outside Vancouver, Canada)
If this is NOT a localized issue (Though, based on no one else bringing it up, I'd say it is...) should the release date be ammended, or have this added into Trivia?
One last question, that wasn't clearly answered as I scanned the DLC Talk; will my KH Cloud DLC be inside the Dissidia Box, like the red Game Registration slip included with all Square games? Same question for Parasite Eve. (Also delayed here, by the way.)

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Shai

I don't know about the DLC, but I think I heard something about the delayed release in Canada being due to problems with printing the french booklets... Not entirely sure though. MirrorshardSceada 19:46, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what is going behind the scenes here, but they might be using the Tsunami as an excuse even if it isn't the real reason, and unlikely it would be, as they print the North American copies of the games in North America, they don't have to ship anything from Japan. But they prefer saying "well its out of our hands" rather than "we screwed up, sorry".Keltainentoukokuu 20:03, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I heard that the delay was caused by the Japanese crisis. I cancelled my preorder and just got it on the PSN.--24.57.226.127 21:27, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Question (Beware of Spoilers)

I thought that once the thirteenth cycle ended the warriors went back to their respective homeworlds, free from the cycle. But in all articles regarding this topic it is mentioned that shinryu restarts the cycle as a pact with chaos and the warriors are summoned again. It is never specified if they are the same characters or others in such articles. If they are the same it wouldn't make sense and it would make the ending of the 013 cycle irrelevant since they come back again and are even killed by Feral Chaos in the 18th Cycle. Is it specified in the game if they are the same or not?? User:Cecil the Paladin