Talk: Deepground

This wiki article has been written based upon limited information and misses a lot of information.

For a much fuller understanding of Deepground, follow this link: (removed) and all will be revealed.

Mo, author of TLS.net article

There is a place to advertise your website, and this isn't it. If you know so much about it, why don't you edit and improve it? Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 12:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Apologies, don't use wiki that often so was unaware of the rules. I don't have an account here and don't plan on setting one up so I won't be editing this article. However, as a pointer for anyone who does wish to edit this page so that the details are correct, I would recommend you find my article. Again, sorry for wrongfully linking

Location

Should the wiki have an article for the location Deepground? FaythOfFenrir 01:22, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Genesis Copies in DoC

You'd have to have played both Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus (or read DoC's manual) to know what I'm talking about.

In an event of Crisis Core, heading to Shinra Headquarters on the highway, you encounter a very tall, crimson, undead-looking Genesis Copy, wearing a helmet over most of it's face besides his jaw. Now, notice how it's jaw is skeletal?

In DoC, there is a type of monster that has that same jaw and coloring? But it was on all fours like an undead dog with a skeletal human head, the top portion covered by the helmet, and the jaw being visible as skeletal. I haven't played Crisis Core for three years now, but I think this same enemy was in Crisis Core. If you know, inform me of it.

So this leads me to conclude that there are remnant Genesis Copies, and the very small chance Genesis may still being cloned, but by Deepground instead of Hollander.

		Neo Bahamut - "SIT DOWN & DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA!" TALK - {{{time}}}
		Not sure when this edit was made, but I know exactly what you're talking about. That is a subspecies of the Guard Hound type of enemy. I also think you're misremembering some details So, no, probably not related to Genesis.

Timeline Wrong

		Neo Bahamut - "SIT DOWN & DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA!" TALK - {{{time}}}
		I'm also changing the information regarding when the Tsviets became infused with Genesis's cells because, well, it's wrong. I've been reading up on the Crisis Core guide today, & there are two main reasons they cannot have been born that way: Project G was declared a failure almost immediately after Angeal & Genesis were born. It is unlikely that Deepground would have gotten funding to use Genesis's cells for anything. The reason Hojo was able to perform Project S is because he used cells straight from the source, & refined the experimental design. In explaining the scene regarding Genesis being recaptured by Nero & Weiss, everything is in future tense. "He is to become our brother." Not "he is our brother." "If they are injected with his cells, they will become related by blood." Not "They were injected with his cells, so they are related to him by blood." As well, the fact that Azul joins Deepground much later shows that you do not have to be injected upon birth to gain Tsviet-level abilities. Ergo, there is only one conclusion: After Genesis's rebellion, Shinra realized he was useful after all, & gives the greenlight to a second Project G, of sorts. If the old theory was ever stated anywhere, it is a continuity error, because it is contradicted by the 2 games that came after it.

Metaphor?

Could Deepground represent the Nazis? After all, their basic synopsis is to exterminate the tainted (imperfect). The intentions of the Nazis were to exterminate the imperfect. And if that is the case, could Nero the Sable represent their diplomatic influence? 71.233.161.217 13:22, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

		Neo Bahamut - "SIT DOWN & DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA!" TALK - {{{time}}}
		"Metaphor" & "represent" aren't really the correct terms, but they definitely do draw many parallels. Lest we forget, their very first appearance is forcing people en mass aboard what are basically train cars, shouting "heil Weiss," & using weapons based off of WW2-era Germany. I don't see anything particular with Nero, though.

First, the Nazis weren't the only faction to perform massive "genocides". Before came, for example, the religious persecutions of Christians, then Jews, and the Crusader campaigns for the holy city. The Ottoman Empire also persecuted Christians inside their territory on the past century. These are just a few.

Second, the Deepground do not exterminate the tainted (and I haven't even played Dirge of Cerberus...). Their targets are actually human beings who haven't ever been affected with Geostigma, thus not tainted by Sephiroth's machinations, in order to cause the planet to believe it's in jeopardy and summon its last resort Weapon to ensure the survival of life. - Henryacores^ 19:58, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Plenty of groups in history have committed genocide to get rid of "impure" or "inferior" groups. Godwin's Law. C A T U S E 00:12, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

		Neo Bahamut - "SIT DOWN & DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA!" TALK - {{{time}}}
		Do you even know what Godwin's Law is? Godwin's Law states that "the longer anything goes on, the more probable that it will reference or be compared to the Nazis." Godwin's Law is not proof that an analogy to Nazis is invalid.

		Catuse says at 00:31, September 14, 2012 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		I thought it was "If you mention Hitler, you lose".

		Neo Bahamut - "SIT DOWN & DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA!" TALK - {{{time}}}
		That is how people tend to use it, but that is not what it means. If there is such a rule, it is a logical fallacy. Nazi War Crimes are some of the best documented, most widely taught, & generally well-known. It makes perfect sense that an author planning to write about genocide or war crimes is probably going to start his or her research with the Nazis. That said, not all Godwins are valid.

SOLDIER

To restate what was said on the IRC, the former statement in the article that Deepground is a branch of SOLDIER is not officially true. I checked TheLifestream.net's translations of guidebooks and the DoC game script on Game FAQs, neither makes any mention of the two being affiliated beyond Deepground beginning as a medical center for SOLDIER members, and some of their members are taken from SOLDIER. This is fact, but doesn't make Deepground an off-shoot of SOLDIER any more than say, a couple Turks being former SOLDIERs would make the Turks an off-shoot of SOLDIER. Drake Clawfang (talk) 19:59, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Right, it began as a medical center for SOLDIER. It began from SOLDIER members. Its only known recruitment method is to take on SOLDIER candidates. All of the Tsviets but Shelke are confirmed SOLDIERs. Restrictors are also SOLDIER. Deepground's history makes extensive reference to being formed of, & organized under SOLDIER. There's never been any citation of a non-SOLDIER joining Deepground, with the possible exception of Shelke, who is only stated to not have Genesis's cells like the rest of the Tsviets--it is left unclear whether this means that she's never received the SOLDIER treatment at all or if she's simply not like the other Tsviets. In either case, she is noted as being an exception to the rule. Also, it simply doesn't make sense that there would be any non-SOLDIERs in Deepground, as it was essentially designed to be the next step after SOLDIER in Shinra's super soldier program.75.195.87.203 02:55, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VII Remake

The Underground Test Site is in fact part of Deepground. The FFVII-R Ultimania confirms this.

https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1255841533883904000?s=20

Should this be included in "Other Appearances" or included in the main body of the article in a separate section? From the information in the Remake, the Underground Test Site had been experimenting on monsters and people, which led to some of them escaping as seen in the game. Makoeyes987 (talk) 18:07, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

It can be in the main body of the article. You can just copy this after the sentence: <ref>''[[Final Fantasy VII Remake Ultimania]]''</ref>. (There's some fancy way to do a book ref but I don't really know how.) Would be preferable to know the page number, but aitaikimochi is legit, so I should think it's safe enough without!Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Kelt's correct, but the way to add the citation is just {{cite|Final Fantasy VII Remake Ultimania|p=??}} where "??" is the page number (you only need the fancy book ref if you cite the book more than once or are doing two-part citations). It is vastly preferable to know the exact page, but not required. I've asked aitaikimochi via the wiki's Twitter account anyway, so we should know the page number soon.-- Technobliterator ^T_C 18:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)