Talk:Cid of the Lufaine

Does this Cid even have a fisical form? Is it shown in game?

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		To my knowledge, no.(Hehe, fisical=physical) —Silver Mage

Cid and Chaos appear to have a connection...

Remember this quote from one of the cutscenes in Shade Impulse in Dissidia?

"In that world, I was a god that suppressed disorder. But strangely, the images are still vivid in my eyes... All the people smiling, the warmth of the days I spent with Cosmos... For one who has lost all memory, why did the dream have to be so cruel?"

If you were to look at the word 'god' from a different perspective, Chaos may have meant 'god' as in being high up in the skies - of which Cid of the Lufaine was, since he created the Flying Fortress. It is also a common thought that gods and goddesses are up in the sky, thus.

The people smiling appear to be the citizens of which Cid ruled over, suppressing disorder as he appears to have done in the past of FFI. And considdering Chaos was from FFI, that would mean his memories that he is recieving is from somebody from that world.

And this is where it gets tricky... It appears that Chaos refers to Cosmos as somebody who he ruled with, and Cid ruled with his wife. Cid also wanted to keep his wife's memory alive after she was murdered, and sold his physical form to Shinryu to continue his research. This has lead me to believe that Cosmos' appearance is based off of Cid's own wife. If this is true, then that would mean that Cid's own memory was merged with that of Chaos - thus, this is how Chaos was able to remember the 'past life' (in a sense).

It would also mean that Cid, Garland, and Chaos were all caught in the endless cycle, Cid being the one who truly begun it - then passing it onto his adopted son, Garland, and Chaos somewhere inbetween (paradox).

... Just a thought. There's no need for you to take is as truth, but I thought it was worth pointing it out.

~694377iDNumbers

Great Will

Where is your source for this? Do you have the actual game? Have you seen this yourself? What? Jimcloud 21:56, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Cid of the Lufaine
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A researcher of the ancient civilization of Lufenia, he watches over the conflict of the gods as the "Great Will".

- DISSIDIA FINAL FANTASY
Creating a pact with Shinryu, Cid forsakes his humanity to become a being consisting of only a soul, the "Great Will".

He created the cycle of conflict to have Chaos increase his powers and use them on this world to open the Interdimensional Rift.

Though no one knows if he aims to seek revenge or live a peaceful life, there are no doubts that he seeks to escape this realm.

It is in the twelfth cycle when Cosmos rebels against her duty and protects her warriors with her own life that Cid realizes that
he is no different from the military that stole his wife in their persistence on invading other nations.

Having realized his sins, Cid creates two teleport stones to save the warriors in the thirteenth cycle. But this act incurred
Shinryu's wrath, and Cid's soul was sealed with the last of Chaos's fading powers.

Cid continually saw nightmares of a world where Chaos had grown to wield ultimate power in the thirteenth cycle until he was freed.
Once someone freed him from his confinement and was able to revive alongside Cosmos, Cid sets out on a journey to a new realm.

- WORLD A
Known as Cid, he was revered as a brilliant researcher, not only for having created the airship, but for his unique talents in
various  fields of research.

He was once a devoted husband and a gentle man who wished for peace. But after having been ordered to create weapons of war, his
soul slowly starts to become warped.

The details as to how he was able to create Chaos when research on artificial life had stagnated remains unknown.

Kappa the Imp 21:59, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

again, do you have the game yourself or is this a second hand source from someone else? Jimcloud 22:01, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I have the game, and I'm not the only one to have ripped this from the game's data. Kappa the Imp 22:02, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

That part I knew. Just curious. Thanks. Jimcloud 22:03, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

20th cycle the huh?

However, enraged by Cid's betrayal, Shinryu trapped him in a nightmare world where Chaos survived and cycle of conflict continued with Cosmos's side the victor until Chaos turns into the mindless Feral Chaos. During the twentieth cycle, Chaos attempts to kill Cosmos with Cid saving her by sealing her in the Cavern of Earth before sealing away the northern continent from the battle between Shinyuu and Chaos before the latter is sealed in a volcano. From there, Cid summons the five final summoned warriors to destroy Chaos forever. Soon after, Cid takes on the physical form of a moogle, one of the few creatures that remain in the world. Upon Feral Chaos being destroyed, the nightmare world collapses and Cid is freed along with all the warriors who were trapped in it.

Is that real? Like, I know the whole Dissidia storyline turns itself somewhat inside-out, but does it really do it that badly? Bluestarultor ^BSA 23:27, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Apparently it is like that.However the cycle only continues with the alternate dimension in which Cid id forever tormented it.In the true dimension Chaos is destroyed and Cosmos is still inhabiting her world as it slowly beginning to extinguish around her.--Lord of the Dark Depths 00:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Garland, Chaos. Chaos, Garland.

Shouldn't the references to raising Garland be changed to Chaos, due to the 012 Reports? -- Lycentia 14:26, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

It would not matter as Garland and Chaos are the same person.--Lord of the Dark Depths 18:19, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Except that they aren't. Their exact relationship is unclear, but God of Discord Chaos is a separate entity with his own backstory who either merges with or exists separately from Garland's Chaos. Dazuro 18:24, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Wrong.Garland and Chaos acknowledge the fact they are same person.Here is the proof:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIK4Z8_f7hk --Lord of the Dark Depths 22:06, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, my brain hurts. XD -- Lycentia 22:16, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yet Duodecim heavily implies if not outright states that Chaos was created independently of Garland, hence my suggestion that they somehow merged. Dazuro 22:18, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well they did indeed merge but have the same history as a result of time loops and interdimensional rifts.Lord Chaos

I think everyones missing the main point. When the only name you can give a child is "Chaos," it should raise red flags.

Image

Should an image of the Warrior of Light be posted on this page? As the WoL is a "perfect" manikin of Cid, they should look the same. The only difference noted between them is the Warrior's lack of memories, due to an incomplete memory transfer ritual.

Perhaps something like this:

Lord Knight Xiron 00:40, December 7, 2011 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron

I've been thinking the same thing. AmbieSushi 01:01, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

The moogle is more than enough as it an in-game concrete appearance of him. - Henryacores^ 01:05, December 7, 2011 (UTC)