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End of story. Now let it go, and stop reverting it to something else, when I write "fiend" in reference to FFX and FFX-2 material. It's the official term for it in those two games. Look at the bright side, I'm not the kind of guy, who likes/tries to rub his "victories" in other people's faces. --Hecko X 02:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

"Machina weapon" Edit

"Robots and Vegnagun": Those aren't portable. You need a lot of people to operate them, or they are operated by themselves. Visual clues show that the only "Machina weapon" (a term that I hate using because I hate the word "Machina") that people carry is guns (and grenades, but the only known grenade combatant in Spira is a certain fifteen year old girl who joins the party). Crazyswordsman 15:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Like or dislike is completely besides the point, since its the term that is used in the game. I don't like Auto-Life being called Life 3 in the old games, but it does and I just have to accept that. Had machina been a fan-made term, I would have been able to relate to why you would want it changed, and I also wouldn't have had a problem with it, but that isn't the case. Changing it would be like calling certain types of spheres "camcorders". Yes, they have the same functions as a camcorder, they just aren't called that. So in reference to the game where the term is used, we should do the same, as not to hand out wrong or confusing information. Besides, we have no idea if what Chappu used was a handheld gun, a rifle, a flamethrower (at least the last two are seen in FFX, I don't recall seing a gun until FFX-2) or something else all together. For all we know, it could have been a prototype hacksaw. The only thing we know for sure, is that it is a "machina weapon".
P.S. You wrote "the only "machina weapon" that exists is a gun". I just mentioned the beam cannon, the robots and Vegnagun to prove your statement wrong, I never said it had anything to do with Chappu or that they were portable. And according to Wakka (when the party is riding on the Shoopuf), a lot of new types of machina were produced every day of the Machina War. So saying that guns are the only machina weapons to exist, is as wrong as saying that Chinese is the only language and dialect spoken in the entire world. --Hecko X 17:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Those weren't portable. And aside from Vegnagun, which isn't accessable anyway, some of these could have been invented/controlled in the span between FFX and X-2. And you don't recall seeing a gun in FFX? Then I guess the Warrior Monks used a hacksaw and a crowbar to attack. Crazyswordsman 18:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Machina Crowbar? Sir, I am indebted to you. --Auron Kaizer 19:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Point being? You never said anything about being portable, you wrote, and I qoute (for the second time): "the only "machina weapon" that exists is a gun", which implies that there are NO OTHER machina weapons in the world of Spira in any form or function. This statement what I wanted to prove wrong, and I did. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT CHAPPU TAKES WITH HIM IN STEAD OF HIS SWORD. And now that we're clear on that point (if we're not, read it again), if Vegnagun isn't accesable, then what was that HUGE robot Shuyin and Lenne died next to 1000 years prior to the story of FFX, not to mention that Yuna, Rikku, Paine, Nooj and Gippal where jumping around on it in FFX-2. Its existence is yet another proof of more machina weapons, other than "guns", existed. Just because it wasn't used doesn't mean it's not there. And no, I doubt that the Yevon order just suddenly forgot about the machina weapon of mass destruction located in their "basement". And no, warrior monks used rifles (or more specificly, muskets) and flamethrowers. You use the term "gun" much to losely, as stricly speaking, a gun is any type of weapon that fires a projectile through a barrel or metal tube, this would include the cannon inside Vegnagun, which by your definition apparently isn't a "machina weapon". And if indeed you did mean a gun, as in a pistol, also known as handguns, then no, I still don't recall seing one of those until FFX-2 (Gunner dressphere and Gun Mage dressphere). As for the robots, ever recall encountering an enemy in FFX, stealing from it, and all of a sudden, it just breaks down? Yeah, that would be a robot. So no, they've existed in the world of Spira for quite some time. The only thing I can think of being invented in the two-year-span is the Garment Grid-system. More or less everything else was there from before the events of FFX. Any questions or comments? (I know you have them, but please don't make me repeat myself). Thank you for understanding ^_^ --Hecko X 19:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
It could very well be a rifle, like the monks use. No fact actually stating it is or isn't in the game so...as long as it's not known, it should just be called a Machina Weapon. --Auron Kaizer 20:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I have no complaints except that you should chill. I'm leaving it as Machina Weapon. I have no intention to change it back. And I DID mean a rifle, not a handgun. But please calm yourself. Crazyswordsman 04:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! --Hecko X 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Farplane Edit

"The player can upgrade the weapon in the Farplane." How, exactly? I think I must have done it, cause I started noticing that it gave a +15% str and did water damage and had sensor. (Sensor owns.) I dunno what I did, or if the sword automatically reacted to random farplane essence, or what, but I think it should be mentioned in the article if anyone knows how it happens (and perhaps a why it happens, too - yes, it reacts with the nonexistant image of Jecht [or whatever upgrades it], but what about that Jecht image upgraded it?). Armond 17:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The upgrade happens when you eavesdrop on Wakka talking to Chappu about meeting Tidus and giving him the sword. I have edited the page to indicate that event. --SmegHead 10:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks. Armond 18:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Fiends Edit

Hecko, why did you revert my edit about some fiends...? The way the sentance is was worded, it looked like every fiend either absorbed or had a resistance to water. While that's true of some fiends, it's certainly not true of all of them. The article that sentance links to doesn't shed any more light on the situation, either. Given that, I've cleared the sentance up. Armond 20:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

And that way of putting it has grammar problems, for the record. "Fiends that absorbs." Let's think this through before we go reverting, hmm? Armond 20:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
"... disadvantage against fiends, who are immune to, or even worse, absorb Water-elemental attacks". There is nothing in the red part that even slightly indicates that all fiends are immune to, or absorb, water-attacks. Actually quite the opposite. As for the grammar, the only problem was the third-person singularis "s" misstype, which you seem to have corrected. Other than that, there was nothing grammatically wrong with the sentence. For the record, it's sentence, not sentance (just mentioned it, since you seemed so eager to point out errors). Secondly "For the record" always comes at the beginning of a sentence, never the end. I could point out more errors, but there's really no point in doing that... But just a piece of advice. Never rub someone else's error in their faces like that, it has a way of turning sour, especially if you mess up as well, because you'll most likely be payed back tenfolds. --Hecko X 21:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The problem was mostly with the comma after fiends. Without it, it reads as one would speak it - try saying "problems with Al Bhed who jump" and "hatred of President Bush, who jump". It comes out as very different - at least to me. The first seems perfectly fine, while the second one sounds like it should say "jumps" or "jumped".
Not only that, it's a talk page. I don't particularly care about spelling and grammar on a talk page. I do on article pages, though, which is why I have FireFox at home - for those spelling errors I don't catch on my own.
I would dearly love to get into an argument about spelling, grammar, and sentance structure (I'm not in a great mood right now, for the record), but I know we're both above that. Armond 21:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The second one has to say "jumps" or "jumped". It would be a bit better using an example in either singular or plural form, in stead of mixing them. And also a full sentence to indicate what you are trying to say, in stead of only a partial sentence that gives no indication of wether it has to do with essential or non-essential elements. In short, your current examples are not really usable... But all that aside, you were right. The comma between "fiends" and "who" shouldn't have been there. --Hecko X 21:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Shuyin's swordEdit

It's nothing like the brotherhood. It looks like a stick!!! I have a picture of it somewhere.. gotta dig it out Renmiri 15:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Go go Ren! Bluer 15:52, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Got it!

http://ffproject.net/forumwiki/images/ScanImage51.jpg

disambig Edit

I think this should be disambiguated for Brotherhood Final Fantasy XV.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 13:40, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

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