Talk: Bartz Klauser (Dissidia PSP)

When Bartz uses his EX Burst, if there's nine other heroes of Cosmos, but he only uses eight weapons, who gets "left out?" Thanos6 07:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Terra, it is probably because she only uses her weapon during chase mode. --Oranejo 20:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Mime

		1stclasswarrior - Meus vita , meus diligo , meus lily of sanctimonia... TALK - 20:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
		Should we list who he "Copies" each attack from?

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		Oranejo - rabble, rabble, rabble TALK - 20:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
		I do not really think it is necessary, but others might, so I would wait for some more input.

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		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 20:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
		I'll do it mahself

Mage Masher?

just wondering, is that Mage Masher used in the FMV real? coz I thought Bartz used the Onion Sword. Devil Breaker 04:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

All of Bartz's weapons are mimiced from the other Warriors of Cosmos, so he doesn't use any one weapon in particular, unless you count the Brave Blade in his Ex-Burst. --Nahara 16:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

the enemy

I wonder what a Chaos-mime would look like?

		Final Boss - "Life... dreams... hope... Where do they come from? And where do they go? Such meaningless things...I'll destroy them all!" TALK - (>^.^)>
		What I thought Gilgamesh was gonna be.

Quote

With all the problems Wikipedia has given me lately, I'm tired of arguing over stupid things like this, but coincidentally arguing over these things puts me in a foul, stubborn mood and hence, let's argue. Bartz is associated with the wind and talks about it a lot in his storyline, the current quote is fine. "Teach me new moves" is just....huh? It's just a quote against a random opponent with no real meaning. If it were against Exdeath it would make sense, but it isn't and doesn't. Pretty simple stuff to understand. Drake Clawfang 07:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

First of all, let me apologise for frustrating you with my stubborn-ness, and let me say that I am glad that you created this discussion topic, with which we can hopefully come to an accord. I acknowledge that in the original game, there is a connection between Bartz and the wind. That connection, however, has only a minor presence in Dissidia, as little more than a reference to something from FFV. He has one HP attack that's wind-based, which is borrowed from Onion Knight, and that's it. His more distinguishing feature is the fact that he's a Mimic, i.e. someone who performs the moves of others. Which is why I felt it best to find a quote to refer to this feature, and that led me to the quote "Teach me some new moves!" The reason Bartz says this against Tidus is two-fold: from his own perspective, most of his moveset comes from copying others, hence he "learns" new moves from fellow Cosmos warriors; from Tidus' side, this is a reference to his relationship with the Aurochs from FFX, where he shows them neat moves like Sphere and Jecht Shots. In choosing this quote, I was of course focussing on the first part. Keyblade Master 07:22, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

If you want a quote about Bartz's mime abilities, there's several of them, why pick that one? That's also a poor argument against the "wind" quote, a reference is a reference. Bartz is connected with Wind, he uses it in several of his battle quotes. That "teach me new moves" quote is simply put, random, it refers to Bartz's abilities but a page quote should deal with the character, it shouldn't require such in-depth knowledge about an entirely different game to understand. Bartz talks about the wind and loves adventure, that's who he is. If you're so dead-set on no "wind" quotes, there's others:

"Never lose your sense of adventure"

"I'll protect everyone"

"Don't follow a path. Make your own"

"You can run if you want"

And then there are other "wind" quotes too, though they probably don't count either. Drake Clawfang 07:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

There aren't that many mime quotes.

- ""Light, give me strength!" ...or whatever."

- "Mimicking you is no easy task!"

- "Hey, teach me some new moves!"

The first one is even more random, and the second one doesn't reflect the ease with which Bartz mimes. If there were better quotes for miming I'd definitely take it. And it doesn't require in-depth understanding of both games. It just tells a newbie to FF that Bartz learns moves from others, and of course has deeper meaning for FF vets. As for your suggestion regarding Bartz's sense of adventure, I have considered that and thought it would be an appropriate quote, though not the best. Certainly you can say that Bartz is adventurous, but the same can be said for Onion Knight, Zidane, Tidus, and to a lesser extent everyone in Dissidia. If there is a feature or a quote which sets the character in question apart from the rest, I think that would be the more appropriate one. Keyblade Master 08:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Just so everyone knows..I stopped caring after he changed it the second time...I specifically didn't want something like this to happen, which is exactly why I stopped...

"Don't follow a path. Make your own" is a much better quote BTW. We should go with that. ^_^

Meatbag3 11:09 August 2, 2009

Kyrel - 16:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC) I agree with that, pretty good quote

I don't mind the "Don't follow a path" quote. In fact I initially favoured it, but decided against it because I thought it would seem too random, and went with one which I thought was less confusing. Keyblade Master 23:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Removed Content due to Incorrect Information

• During Spellblade-Dual Wield-Rapid Fire, the magic of the four elements, Fire for the Onion Sword and Revolver, Water for the Brotherhood and Crystal Sword, Wind for the Ogre and Shadowblade, and Earth for the Buster Sword and Guy's Axe may also symbolically represent the hero's affinities related to that element.

The above isn't quite true. Watching his Ex-Burst for yourself here, the Buster Sword and Guy's Axe are obviously empowered with Lightning magic, not Earth magic, making the correlation to the four elemental crystals of FFV to be an incorrect statement. It's been pulled off the front page. --Nahara 16:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sprite Referrence

I think that the sprite reference of Bartz (refers to how 2D Sprites used to look) is somewhat either wrong or lacks of information. That pose was Bartz's Amano artwork pose, aside from the white haired Bartz pose. DB3612:25, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

EX Burst

Just for the record, here's the exact text. "EX BURST: Master Mime. Adds the strength of his allies to his own job abilities for a series of masterful blows. ^ v < > - each directional button corresponds to 1 hit." Yes, it performs an attack displayed as RFDWSB in-battle, but each burst has its own name under the menu. On Kefka's page, we call the burst "Warring Triad" for instance, which I'm assuming is the name in the menu (can't check now, in the middle of a Colosseum run). Consistency, people. Touche on "fix it properly" though--sorry, that one's my bad. :P Dazuro 06:22, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

No, "Warring Triad" is the name displayed at the start of the Burst. And in the future, please don't leave a job half-done. Spelling and grammar aren't hard, neither is changing the Burst entry in the character box. Drake Clawfang 06:24, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I know, I'm normally not bad about that. Hell, I'm a copyeditor by profession. Don't know how I messed that one up. I didn't realize there was a Burst entry in the box, though. ..... Also, what the hell. I just checked Kefka's EX Mode tab. It, uh, says "Light of Judgment." Uh... now what do we do? Dazuro 06:26, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Now it's sounding like the translators got the EX Mode names and EX Burst attacks confused. What do the others say? Drake Clawfang 06:39, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

All of the rest are consistent with the ones already on the pages. Dazuro 06:42, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Alright...I'd really just use the names displayed during the Burst in-game, as the "Forsaken" and "Charge and Assault" attack names show the translators screwed up the menu options. Drake Clawfang 07:14, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Should it be mentioned on the page that the menu misnames them? Dazuro 07:17, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, probably under the Trivia section. You know more about the presentation of the menu than I do, you can do it if you like. Drake Clawfang 07:20, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia

In this statement:
Bartz quotes his comrades when using their attacks, and even mimics their tone of voice
This statement is true, but at the same time when Bartz uses Terra's flood, he said something else. I think Bartz said "please" while Terra, I believe said "sorry for waters". Spikey09 00:34, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Just so you know, Terra says "sorrowful waters".

Lightning Insanity 12:29, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

EX-burst in 012 ?

Has anyone seen it ? Does he use the same eight weapons as in Dissidia, or does he use some of the new ones ? Alarielle 20:06, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Until Gilgamesh is added to the jp Website, we're not seeing Bartz nor Exdeath there. - Henryacores^ 20:42, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

2nd alternate

Where did you find the official render for his 2nd alt if he's not up in the Japanese website yet?

We didn't, the render comes from the demo, some silly not un-dumb person likely assumed it official. DoreikuKuroofangu 02:55, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Um... ok, I thought it curious since the one I saw from the demo was in a fixed pose and this one seems to be of higher quality and in an "official" pose.

By "some silly not un-dumb person" are you referring to me?

I refer to whomever edited the caption. If it wasn't you who changed it, then no. DoreikuKuroofangu 15:35, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

No it wans't me, but the new scans uploaded have proved that this inst his official render.

Ifrit

Could Bartz's use of Ifrit from Yuna's attacks be a reference to the fact that Ifrit was the first summon that you obtain in FFV? Zodiarkmaster 14:27, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

He is not the first you can get Shiva before him and before that you can buy others summons--Xabryn 14:34, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

The reference to Ifrit isn't that he is the first obtainable summon in FFV, (because he isn't). The Reference is that, Ifrit is the only summon that MUST be obtained as a part of story. SquallisbetterthanCloud 15:18, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ah... Sorry, I haven't played V for a while... ^^; ZodiarkMaster 07:34, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

EX Burst Reference

Other than the Boko reference, when Bartz kicks the opponent in a flurry of yellow feathers along with the chocobo sound might be a reference to the attack the Chocobo summon uses in most of it's appearances, Chocobo Kick.

DLC Outfit

Did you see Bartz's DLC outfit? It's so cute! This makes me my "PSP & Dissidia 012 hunger" grow!—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 14:38, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Support Abilities

Do the support abilities connected to Bartz's attacks stack with each other when I equip an attack more than once? -- Flüstergras 12:22, February 7, 2015 (UTC)