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Is there any reason we don't have a disambig? Any at all? 79.69.203.21 18:29, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

The plot device is far more prominent than the status. See also Red Fang, Archer, and others. Doreiku Kuroofangu 18:49, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
I don't buy that reason at all. I think you'll find the way the wiki works is based on a "can i be arsed?" basis. If I cba to move a page and fix links, I just add a note at the top. It goes the same with everyone. Never will the wiki move an article over a disambig because one thing is more notable than the other thing on the disambig. But this is what essentially is being done here, but the disambig never came to materialise.
I'd also like to disagree since AFAIK, most cases of amnesia aren't ever referred to as amnesia, just as "I don't remember". Therefore its right to this article name over a status is debatable.
And since when was a three-time appearing status not important? If we add a note at the top it is almost always a one-time appearance, usually something totally minor that most people will rarely search (enemy abilities), or an old translation. JBed 19:44, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
"If I cba to move a page and fix links, I just add a note at the top." - on the contary, I could be perfectly bothered. I simply don't see the need.
"Never will the wiki move an article over a disambig because one thing is more notable than the other thing on the disambig." - Wrong as my examples indicate along with others i'm not going to dig up.
"I'd also like to disagree since AFAIK, most cases of amnesia aren't ever referred to as amnesia, just as "I don't remember". - Ridiculous and you know it.
"And since when was a three-time appearing status not important?" - Well going by our rules of when pages are needed, three appearances isn't enough.
"usually something totally minor that most people will rarely search" FF2, FF11, and an empty section of the Chocobo series, sounds minor to me.
I won't be replying to you again unless anyone else cares to weigh in on the manner, I've lost patience for your speeches long ago. 19:53, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
"on the contary, I could be perfectly bothered. I simply don't see the need."
You personally. No one else operates like this. If all previous instances were to work on my logic (cba, not that significant to warrant the effort), then what you are doing is wrong. This is laziness vs. doing things properly, and if laziness isn't a problem then you should be doing things properly. Notes on the top of pages were not something originally done on the wiki (well, except on the Final Fantasy) page, and disambigs were always expected for everything. Notes have creeped in because people are getting progressively lazier. [[Help:Tags and Disambiguation Pages]] makes no reference to adding notes at the top.
"Wrong as my examples indicate along with others i'm not going to dig up."
You misread or misinterpreted what I said. In these situations a note was added to the top of the page. Well, actually, not in the former. In the former someone made the exact same error in page-making as on this page... and look who it is: It was you! --What I said was we wouldn't move a page over a disambig-- i.e: delete an existing disambig, and move a tagged article over it.
"Ridiculous and you know it."
Ridiculous how?
"Well going by our rules of when pages are needed, three appearances isn't enough."
One appearance for a status. When has it been anything else? And following your next comment, two appearances makes anything significant.
"I've lost patience for your speeches long ago."
That's nice. So if I were to sign up to the wiki under another account and presented a similar opinion you actually would reply to me so long as you didn't know it was me? What is your problem? My speech is a couple of paragraphs exclaiming how the way this was handles is not how it should be. I'm not the only person that does this. Dammit Drake. JBed 21:01, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

For the record: Amnesia, the effect, has three entries - including FFII, FFXI, and Chocobo's Dungeon. Amnesia, the plot element, has ten entries - nine main series, and one Dissidia. Personally I think the shift to a Disambig is useless, since the status effect hasn't appeared in the main series since II (unless you count XI, the online instalment that most series fans skip over). --Hoogathy 21:22, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

First, we treat all (main-series) games equally (bar page-naming which takes a look at the series as a whole and uses the most recent name). Something in FFXIII does not take precedence over something from FFI.
Secondly, FFXI is main series whether you like it or not, and is treated that way on the wiki (albeit, XI editors go to the XIwiki so it is not covered so well here).
Third, if you think a disambig listing two uses of a term appearing in multiple games of the FF-series each is useless then you can apply the same thing to all disambigs. JBed 21:29, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
My point is that the status ailment has clearly fallen by the wayside, since it was originally a fairly redundant status in FFII, and making this a disambig page may not be the most necessary task. There are cases where the disambiguation is so minor that the approach originally employed on the article was sufficient, and this would be one of them. However, the disambig page was put in place to prevent further petty bickering on the subject, so I'll leave it at that. --Hoogathy 21:40, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

ILHI/JBed is completely right. I'm just going to grab a few quotes:

"Personally I think the shift to a Disambig is useless, since the status effect hasn't appeared in the main series since II (unless you count XI, the online instalment that most series fans skip over)."

Keyword: Personally. Also, unless you count XI, is pure gold. Of course we count XI. The fanbase is shit.

"Never will the wiki move an article over a disambig because one thing is more notable than the other thing on the disambig."

Very Beautiful.

"...usually something totally minor that most people will rarely search" FF2, FF11, and an empty section of the Chocobo series, sounds minor to me."

All games should be given equal value. It is completely biased and subjective to state otherwise.

"My point is that the status ailment has clearly fallen by the wayside..."

It is of great value the presence of a Square Enix game-writer/developer in our userbase. Access to such predictions is truly valuable.

If two things have the same name but represent different elements of the series, they should be disambiged, period. While there is such a thing as notability, one article's notability should never override any other's. Doing such is biased AND lazy, and the best example of the latter being Final Fantasy (disambiguation) (If we go for subjectivity then I can say that I think the series' article to be at east as notable as the game's, but that's biased :( ). -Henryacores^ 22:12, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

FFIXEdit

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that in the cases of Zidane and Garnet, they just didn't remember their childhoods because they were very young, just like I don't remember much from when I was 2.

Since I am unsure of whether they suffer memory loss or just naturally don't remember because they were too young, I'm not going to remove it from the article myself. JBed 21:43, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

In Garnet's case, the trauma of the storm and the death of her mother triggered her amnesia, as I recall. You might be right about Zidane, though; I don't remember it explicitly saying one way or the other, but he was either too young to remember, or Garland "programmed" him not to remember. --Hoogathy 21:47, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I thought as well, although Garnet appears able to recover her memories when she sees the Invincible for the first time.Keltainentoukokuu 02:51, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
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