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Two Cids?[edit source]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. TWO Cids? --Crazyswordsman 19:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I know, crazy, but technically Al-Cid isn't a Cid, since the "Al" part is also part of his name. BTW, I assume it's ok to use pictures from our affiliates as long as credit is given. Diablocon 19:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
If the evil Cid is called Cidolfas, the -olfas is part of his name, no? So same thing, except Al-Cid is more of a Cid since it's only a hyphen. --Crazyswordsman 19:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair point. No one in XII really calls Al-Cid "Cid" though, whilst everyone refers to evil Cid as Dr Cid. Also, Dr Cid fills the Cid requirements more, since he builds airships and what-not. Side-note: I find it interesting that Dr Cid has Mustadio's last name and T.G. Cid's first name. Diablocon 19:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
True, but still. And remember FFVIII Cid (my least favorite Cid) wasn't an airship builder. --Crazyswordsman 19:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I think everyone calls VIII Cid they're least favorite, because of how un-Cid he is. Anyway, I think it's safe to say that XII has two Cids, they already broke the mould by making an evil one, so why not go one further by just having two? BTW, I hope I didn't spoil the game or anything, judging by your reaction I can guess you haven't gotten this far. Diablocon 19:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I have. I just wanted to save it for a good time, heh. But this will probably make up for FFI's lack of Cids, so now we can officially say there are twelve Cids. --Crazyswordsman 20:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Technically there are 13 Cids in the main series "Cid of the Lufaine" is mentioned in the gba remake of one as being father of one of the main characters though he's not shown or mentioned in the original I believe the GBA remakes are the accepted versions now a days. I consider Al-Cid a Cid since he is the airship master like normal cids and I conisder ff8 a cid in the sense that the garden flew. -Jio Freed 05:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Cid Category[edit source]

Should he really be in the Cid category? While he does have Cid in his name, he is never refered to as Cid, only as Al-Cid. Diablocon 15:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Sid hasn't even got Cid in his name and he is in the category StijnX 15:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
That's due to the fact the script writer was either an idiot, or trying to make things different. Either way, he was a Cid, phonetically at least. Diablocon 15:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Linguistically speaking, if you translate 'al' into English, you get the definite article 'the'. Therefore Al-Cid literally means 'The Cid', so linguistally anyway, he has as much right to be classed as a Cid as any other StijnX 15:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
He has none of the characteristics of a Cid though... --Auron Kaizer 15:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, he doesn't fly an airship, repair airships, is an engineer of any sorts, or as AK said, have any Cid-like qualities. His name is undoubtedly a bastardisation of El-Cid. Diablocon 15:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
What would you say are characteristics that would make a character a 'cid', whilst remembering the converstation above as well, since this is seemingly just a re-emergence of that one StijnX 16:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture question[edit source]

NeloAngelo:Since Al-Cid and Vaan appeared in both FFXII and FF:TA2, why Al Cid's character information page uses TA2 images while Vaan's uses FFXII images, should Al-Cid uses the FFXII image of TA2 ?

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accent[edit source]

now im sure that his guy has a spanish accent. im a first generation american of cuban, spanish, and canary islander(which is hispanic) descent. if anyone objects to me editing this, tell me now.-ozsmith0

FFTA2: Malgaras?[edit source]

So his family name is Malgaras in FFTA2? Or are we making this up? BLUER一番 04:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't remember a mention of a Malgaras anywhere in TA2. O_o As far as I remember he was of the Margrace line still. Diablocon 12:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Just checked my game and I see no mention of a Malgaras family. His description begins Masters of espionage.... Malgaras sounds like an alternative interpretation of Margrace anyway. Diablocon 12:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I checked the official site for TA2 and it's saying "One of the Malgaras family who controls Rozarria". BLUER一番 12:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Odd. Could it simply be a translation error? Diablocon 12:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Picture Question II[edit source]

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Saethori (T / C) 22:12, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
Believe in the future, and persist in the present, that's what I'll do!
Laughable? Sure. But it is Al-Cid, and it's not actually out of character, so it is completely appropriate.

If you think it makes him look too flamboyant, it could probably be replaced... but I don't think it should be outright removed.

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