Editing Forum:Yet another admin is gone

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|text= We seem to have run into a serious problem. Two experienced admins have left with two months of each other, and one went on a break for about two weeks. Now, I have been on here for a while, Not always as active has I am now, and this appears to be unprecedented, sure we had vandal problems (anyone remember that porn vandal we had a while back?) and spats between users, but this seems to be getting worse. We need to do something to stop such experienced users from leaving, while at the same time, we need to start thinking about who is going to replace the vagrant MMIL. We just made it over the 100,000 article mark, and i do not wish to see the wiki die or slow to near death like pretty much every other gaming wiki has (sans the KH one). (yeah I know you all know this, but somebody had to post something.)
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{{Deadlyslashsword|time=01:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)|text=Um...have you forgotten about Faeth and 8bit? Chances are, we are not getting another new admin for awhile. We'll be fine.}}
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|text= They have not been admins for very long, mind you. Bluer and MMIL where far more experienced and valuable to the wiki. No matter how good Faeth and 8bit are, they cannot take the place of those two. And if these two can up and leave, who is next? 
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{{CLtalk|time=02:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)|text=I really don't think you should be worrying about it. We're fine as we are now, Mindy's leaving isn't going to suddenly debilitate the wiki...}}
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|text= Am I the only one a bit worried about this trend? More and more experienced users are leaving, leaving us to new admins, not that they are not skilled, but the lack the raw experience of our elder admins. I am just pointing it out. Besides, if I did not, somebody else would. <joke>And just for once, I wanted to help bring awareness to something this chaotic instead of being the cause</Joke>. 
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{{Yuffietalk|text=I have to admit i am getting abit worried BUT unless all admins decide to go we should be fine.}}
{{User:ILHI/T|15:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)|I want to write a rant, but what about? How this forum topic isn't needed? How this has been bought up before and we've knocked it down telling you to not worry because there isn't a problem? How people don't space their talkboxes correctly? Well, I've made my points, I'll spare you the rant.}}
{{A11|text=Thank god, I've got a big enough headache as it it!|time=15:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)}}

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|text= Look pal, I saw what I believed to be a potential problem for the wiki and decided to bring it to the attention of the community. If it is not a problem, then no harm was done, but what if it had been? Are you really trying to discourage people from pointing out problems? Especially when the trend keeps repeating itself? And my userbox is just fine the way it is, I keep it like this to allow me to customize based on the forum thread. 
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{{Faethin|time=18:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)|text=ILHI was discouraging the beating of dead horses, not the pointing out of problems. But I better shut up since I'm not as experienced nor as valuable as I should be in order to know better.}}
{{A11|text=Fae, I'm sure he didin't mean it as any sort of insult, he ment it in the sense that these admins that are leaving were here round-about when the wiki was just getting started.|time=18:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)}}
{{User:ILHI/T|18:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)|@Exdeath: The "talkbox alignment" is putting a talkbox directly below another. However, using the raw TTT2 code (well, it's hardly "raw", but it's not inside another template) means it doesn't matter. It wasn't aimed at you.<br><br>Fae pretty much got it. We've had this same topic twice before now I think. Possibly three times. There was one after Bluer left, and then 1st's one pointing out we were lacking in active staff. AJD's topic about the vandal problem lead to a similar discussion. And now this topic makes four, from memory. It's the same thing over and over.}}


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|text= Sorry about jumping the gun, I have gotten some grief over my template setup in the past from some other users. And I was not bashing the new admins, I was just pointing out that some of the older and more experienced ones are leaving. I do not doubt that you and 8bit will eventually reach the level of Bluer and the others. But right now we are losing a considerable amount of talent. I am just trying to prevent the loss of any more valuable users, specifically those who have been here since the beginning of the wiki. These users knew pretty much everyone in some way or another, faethin and 8 bit, while good, lack in some areas simply because they have yet to be admins for long enough. But I am certainly not condemning you, I have yet to see any problems come from either of you, and don't get me wrong, if you guys screw up, you better believe I am going to call you on it (though AJ and MC would probably beat me to it...), but thus far, I have seen no reason to do so. In short, keep up the good work, continue to learn, <joke>and if you go fascist, you will have ME to deal with. ME!!! *Maniacal laugh* </joke>. Oh, almost forgot. Since we already have other topics about this, and there appears to be no new data regarding this. I will stop posting on this thread. Sorry about the mix up.
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{{Heckotalk|21:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)|Ex, you probably don't mean it that way, but what you are saying is pretty offensive to 8Bit and Faethin. Just because they haven't had Sysop rights for long does not mean they are inexperenced users, as it's not like they've been sitting on their hands going "duuuuuur <_>" for the entire time before becoming sysops. Both have been extremely active users and have each amassed for +1½ years worth of experience concerning how the FFWiki has been managed, how policies and rules have been changed, and the other workings of the FFWiki. It's not like they first start gaining experience in the workings of the wiki by the time they become sysops. It usually starts the moment you become an active member of the community.

But just for the fun of it, and out of personal curiousity, could you mention one of these areas where they are 'lacking' according to you..? ^^}}

Okay, I have had it with these mix ups. So how about this?
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1. They are experienced users, but have not been admins for long. Therefore they lack experience at BEING ADMINS. My apologies if I did not make that one clear. 
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2. We have lost two highly valuable users in the last two months. I just started the thread to see if we can do something about it.
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3. And finally, they may be good. But Bluer and MMIL where better, at least from my standpoint. Don't get me wrong, with enough time, they will likely hit his level at some point. But for now they just are not on the same level. That's all I said. 

that's all I am saying. If this offends someone, I am sorry. If that giant chunk of paragraph I wrote whist on a caffeine high seems offensive, please refer to the three items above for a boiled down version. And I know I said I would stop posting on this thread, so please do not bring that up.
{{AJD|text=I don't see what you are actually proposing in this, Exdeath64. Other than pointing out the obvious, you seem to be emphasizing the two departed, so-called "highly valuable" administrators. What is the problem with having two so-called "inexperienced administrators"? I see them as perfect testing grounds: my "boldness" can be used to nurture their administrative capabilities. I am past all that vandal news blurb, but my point in that thread still stands: "having less or more administrators don't really mean anything if they're not online". Losing one administrator isn't actually the problem; it's counting for any existing users to be online - but that isn't easily remediable so I'll let that slide. Really, what is your proposal, Exdeath64? Write an e-mail and ask the two "departed" administrators to return? Send flowers? Send free action figures? Send free copies of FFX3? 

TLDR version: Offline administrators are more of a problem than one less administrator >:3}}

{{GB2ktalktext|text=Pointless arguements like this are why I'm leaving. 8-Bit and Faethin are valuable members of the community and are going to handle things just fine. There were too many admins for a while there anyway (considering we used to get by on a Sysop and three admins); if anything this makes it more manageable for those that remain. This will be my last non-mainspace/userpage edit, by the way. Laters everyone, it was nice getting to know (most of) you.}}
{{TA|04:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)|I certify this thread as awesome! Its like Faethin was schooled at the Tactic Angel School of Administration. He's got a heavy dose of righteous indignation, but further studies in complex sentence structure and use of non-standard words is required.

And I'll be honest, if I were you reading this, I wouldn't know what I mean. File this under B for bizarre (but still A for awesome).}}