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Okay people, can you read the description for Rin's Travel Agency? It says:

This is the forum for all official wiki business and any other discussions involving issues with the Final Fantasy series.

This does NOT mean discussing who the most worthless character in the series is. This does NOT mean poor attempts at humour regarding who the best final boss or hero is. This DEFINITELY DOES NOT mean disturbing the entire Wiki population that have more than half a brain cell about how you would torture certain FF characters! It is for Wiki buisness and issues with the series, not random natter that is about the series just enough that it doesn't get deleted!

For the love of (insert your religion's deity or your greatest hero here), keep it on topic! --SCM 08:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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Forums are here mainly for wiki proposals. We are lenient in allowing FF discussions.  ILHI 15:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
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I agree that there is some ambiguity in the definition of the term issues, however, common sense could easily determine what belongs here and what doesn't. I could start slapping VFD's on all the stupid topics, but my common sense tells me that's gonna anger one of the admins because I'll be clogging the RC with edits to topics nobody looks at anymore.
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I understand that not everyone like those stupid topics. But ignoring the whole forum can be hard. Some of the topics can be interesting. And when you see one interesting topic out of 10 or 100, people start to complain. Kupuntu 07:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

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Your logic is suck. This wiki doesn't use bots. And a removal of all fan-things will show a (good) decline in our community.

Y'see, the difference is Wikip functions through bots doing the harder jobs, they do linking and reverting of obvious vandalism mostly. The other users enforce the laws of Wikip, and add content.
<br.The only way this place could become more like Wikip is if we had an influx of members.  ILHI 12:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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What shall we name our soon-to-be-created fan discussion forums?

  • I say the "7th Heaven"! >;3 AJDurai 03:28, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm thinking "Why the fuck has this forum being created?"  ILHI 12:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
  • How about "Goug Consortium" Exdeath64 19:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
  • How about YOUR USERSPACE??? 8bit 20:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
  • How about not? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

this is getting nowhere

Okay, clearly there are two sides who have differing viewpoints. So how about this?

Should we created a new forum area for fan based chatter that has nothing to do with official wiki buisness
 
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The poll was created at 20:10 on April 12, 2009, and so far 31 people voted.

this might help put things in perspective, if you do not like the concept of a poll, do not vote Exdeath64 20:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Polls also gets nowhere.
I would like you to note the people against the creation are the key editors of the wiki. The people for are those who aren't here for the wiki (and should, to put it bluntly, GTFO)  ILHI 20:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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I don't give a fuck about edit counts. I still edit though don't I? Something many of you lack in. No one cares about the edit count on this wiki (well, we have some laws that require you to edit a certain amount of times but I'm against that myself), just that the editor edits.

Also, Yuan edited user talk and forum less than most users:

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And finally: Creating another forum section WILL ONLY PROMOTE more stuff filling up RC. I don't check Forum:Index ever. I only do that when I'm trying to find a dead forum.

Yeah, I'm opinionated and not afraid to show it, get over it.  ILHI 20:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I was simply using her has an example of a "higher up" user, who at the same time had a sense of humor and could actually lighten up. Something you clearly need to do. Exdeath64 20:54, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

If you'll look back at the forum that resulted in the abolishment of the Wayston, Yuan was one of the top supporters of its scrapping. So were all of the admins. So use your userspace, por favor. These hero and villain forums are becoming liabilites for fanboys. o.O 8bit 20:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

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Yes, you higher ups clearly do not listen to the opinions of the common users and are just content to hand down your edicts from your proverbial mountain. You higher ups all started has users like us at some point, did you not ever have admins who never listened to you? Think back, at least one must been problematic for you. Exdeath64 21:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

No, CSM, TA and Hecko all were just and fair and edited just like any regular users. They listened to all comments directed their way.
Also, where has this illusion that the admins are some kind of upper-elite who look down on everyone come from? That's what I want to know. All I do is delete VFDs and ban vandals, I hardly ever say anything these days.
Finally, mandatory post reminding people we have an off-site forum for you all to use. Of course, attempts to ressurect it always fall flat. Perhaps an effort should be made this time. Diablocon 21:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

i have not seen CSM on here in weeks, and i think Hecko left, and TA only does Dragons Neck. The rest are new admins looking to make a name for themselves by playing hard-nose. Thus making the common user's life a bit more difficult. And how many users knew that thing existed in the first place? An on-site forum would be much more effective. Exdeath64 21:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

The rest? What are you talking about? There was only Diablo until a few days ago. ScatheMote 21:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

that's the point, they are new admins. and therefore are trying to make a name for themselves, combine that with admin power and a lack of experience, and you get a royal mess with the "lesser" users. Exdeath64 21:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

You asked if the admins were ever problematic when I was but a regular user, so I gave you your answer.
And I hardly think you can judge the new admins. 8Bit and Faethin have only been admins for less than a week and have thus far only really deleted articles and what not. I hardly see how this is making life more difficult for regular users.
Finally, not many newer users knew of that forum, that's why I brought it up. Also, it would be more effective at what exactly? Spamming up the recent changes? Diablocon 21:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't think that the new admins would need to make a name for themselves, as they were promoted for being some of the best users on the wiki. ScatheMote 21:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

If we where to create another forum for this stuff, it would reduce clutter in rin's, i bet that most people who post pointless stuff on rins would move to a new forum (if it where created) which would probably not result in an immediate change in RC, the same posts would just end up elsewhere. Personally, i don't really see any problem with creating it other then "We don't want to" that I, or somebody else has not already countered. All you have to do is type a few lines of code and this whole thing gets fixed. you get a less cluttered rin's, we get to joke around with other users, with no change to recent changes, and a community that has a sense of humor is far more likely to succeed and draw in more users. everybody wins.

There WILL BE a notable change in the amount of forums appearing. A new forum section and it will be used. In the long-term people will be less reluctant to make these threads us elites (:D) all hate so.  ILHI 22:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

One cannot know until one tries. Just let it have a trial run, and see where it goes. Say two weeks. That should be sufficient to gather enough data for an educated decision on it. If it works, it works, if it does not, it does not. At least let us try and see if we can do better then the waystone this time around. And what could it harm, if it fails, you get to do the whole "I told you so" bit, and if it does not, we expand the community and de-clutter rin's at the same time. Exdeath64 01:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I love how the Waystone has not been dead for half a year before there is a longing to dredge it up again. Would someone who wants to create a new forum for random fan topics give some examples of what those would entail? Stuff that people cannot take to the IRC or post on subpages of their USERPAGE (lol, iz teh 3rd time I referenced that and yet no one seems to latch onto it).
Take me for example. I have 4 FF Quizzes, a fan-made Dissidia (thankfully I have no urge to edit it), a FF Wiki Quote anthology, a fanfic with other users (plug :D), and a Sandbox all under my userspace. Other users have similar setups. Why do we need another forum space?
Also, I don't think Rin's is cluttered at all. The only thing I think is worrisome is that "Best FF Hero" thread, which is burgeoning with random, grammatically deficient posts that tend to either repeat each other or include profanities. 8bit 02:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Let us not get carried away with this argument about user edits, user importance and the like. It will likely go on forever with no conclusion. What we can deduce is this - there actually is a great variety of user with different traits and edit types and that we shouldn't place one over the other - everyone contributes with their individual way, and we can't control what they do - and that no user is "better" than the other, admin or otherwise. Except for "vandals" >;3
Despite Diablocon's attempt at actually advertising an off-site forum, this is not reflected on the entirety of the wiki. There is no link wheresoever that points to such places, and even if there was one, I doubt anyone managed to find it in a blink of an eye, unlike the wiki Forums link prominently seen at the sidebar and at the mainpage. I don't want to say it, but this is the faux-pas of the administration. If they want the off-site forums to be prominently used, then they should go all out to advertise and make it known to the users of the wiki.
I actually opted for a FFVII-themed Forum thread name because of the lack of mentioning the most iconic FF series of all time (and I might add that despite how you disagree, ask any laymen about FF and they'll cite a certain spiky-haired boy or none at all) in the Forum:Index. That said, shall we get this forum running? AJDurai 02:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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I have to laugh. I can only laugh. I used to vandalize this kiddie wiki for the fun of it and to cause a bit of Pandemonium (I should have been Pandemonium), but in my greatest dreams, I could never have done as much damage as the whole fiasco about forum break-ups is, and has been, doing.

You little kiddies keep going on and on about the most trivial things, completely forgetting why you all came here in the first place. You play with cheaply-made toys that have no purpose, and get upset when they break in your slimy little paws. If someone dares to point out how worthless your toys are, you get angry and mad and huffy and upset and throw tantrums and fume and whine.

With allies like those on this wiki, who needs me? In my wildest dreams I could never cause as much trouble as something like this has caused.

You kiddies truly are kiddies. You run around whining and crying and throwing your little kiddie tantrums, all because none of you kiddies are smart enough or mature enough to realize just what you are doing to this place.

Cooler heads will prevail, but you kiddies just can't figure that out, it seems. You pathetic urchins are coming around acting like this is some huge massive godly epic decision that is going to alter the wiki and make or break everything about it.

How stupid of you little kiddies.

If you little ones are going to fight so passionately amongst yourselves over something so trivial, perhaps I ought to go back to having my own fun. After all, if this meager thread is to be the fate of the wiki, what is the point of the wiki to begin with?

You little kiddies go fight amongst yourselves like you are able to do so well. I'll spend my time having my own fun!

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Yes, I am laughing quite heartilly as well, EndGame. It was a simple suggestion, but it is seriously being viewed as a "threat" to the "harmony" of the RC, whatever that so means. "Spamming the RC", indeed >;3 AJDurai 02:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

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If that forum didn't suck so badly, your solution might be reasonable. But until they get rid of the silly little mod approval, it will never fully replace the wiki's forum.

"HEY! I KNOW! LET'S GO POST SOME FUN STUFF! HERE ARE THE FORUMS, I'LL JUST REGISTER QUICK AND OOPS! NO MOD WILL BE ON UNTIL ONE WAKES UP/COMES HOME FROM SCHOOL/GETS UNGROUNDED! GUESS I'LL JUST WAIT TO POST MY FUN POST INSTEAD OF USING THE READILY-AVAILABLE FORUM ON THE WIKI!"

You think that solution would play out? You think the kiddies who post that dull stuff here are going to care about the external forums? Nah, the forums here will be all they bother with.

Your solution simply reminds me of most governmental solutions: useless and ineffective.

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kehehehehe. Me, seeking attention? I'm simply having fun. I see the wiki is about to implode on itself because of this non-issue, and I'm just waiting for 8-bit to leave so I can have my fun at finishing the collapse without interruption.

As for fixing the problem? There are a lot of ways to fix the problem, so much so that this thread is utterly hilarious. I think it even funnier that various events weren't foreseen when other events transpired before my return.

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Anyway, if you kiddies want to fix the problem, you need to take your personal opinions out of this. At the rate this discussion has been going, my efforts at Pandemonium were unnecessary.

I'll be off for the night, I think. I've more important matters, and people, to attend to.

What the HELL is that vandal doing back? I thought Hecko permanently banned this crazy broad before she left? And i may be annoying and a tad chaotic, but this is a discussion about how this place is being run and how it will continue to be run, unlike your "pandemonium" this is work with a logical purpose and you should cease from screwing with it. In layman's terms. Step off. Exdeath64 03:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the perma-ban never went through, and EG can be helpful sometimes. Anyway, we really need to resolve this before we go back to random arguing.
IMHO, the only way to lower the supply of nonsense topics is if we put enough referencing, and therefore divert at least some traffic, to the off-wiki forums. Therefore, I propose that links to the off-wiki forums be added to the on-wiki forum index and Rin's page, as well as a warning that Rin's is intended only for serious posts. And if that falls through, tell people to just use their damn userspace.
Ideas? Suggestions? --SCM 03:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

That depends, where is the off site forum located, and how does it work. Does it use the Wikia system, or does it run like the IRC? If it allows us to continue to post interesting stuff, i see no problem. And HOW on earth could this chick EVER be helpful? Ever read "V for Vendetta"? Crazy anarchists never lead anywhere good. Exdeath64 03:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

And before you say it, i am not crazy, just terminally weird. And I am NOT an anarchist, I'm a moderate who hates both extremes (Total Anarchy and Total Control, both lead nowhere good) Exdeath64 03:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Here, like a normal forum, check her contribs and find out, and no. All of those answers are in the order you asked the questions for. And terminally wierd is close enough to crazy so I don't care. --SCM 03:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

TERMINALLY WEIRD IS NOT THE SAME THING HAS CRAZY! IT SIMPLY MEANS YOU DON'T DO THINGS THE SAME WAY AS EVERYBODY ELSE, CRAZY IS WHEN YOU GO FLYING OFF THE HANDLE AT THE DROP OF A HAT OR GO THE WHOLE NORMAN BATES ROUTE!!!!1 *Ahem* Anyway, i had no idea this thing actually existed, if we could tag a link to it in the main forum area, this might take some of the stress off of rin's. And V was a classic, give it a try, and for the love of GOD do not watch the movie first. the movie was lousy. Exdeath64 03:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

CRAZY IS WHEN YOU GO FLYING OFF THE HANDLE AT THE DROP OF A HAT
Like you just did? -_- And yeah, basically, increasing awareness to the off-wiki forum would probably divert topics off to over there. Now to see if I can find a copy of V for Vendetta around here... --SCM 03:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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Okay, next time i go on a joke-rant, i am going to stick in something so you know i am joking(like:<Joke></Joke>). I figured the *ahem* thing and the transition to serious was a sufficient indication, i really should of done something the last time i tried a joke... And the scans of V can probably be found online. And i had no idea non-mod or non-admin's could mess with that kind of thing. Not that i am going to start. Hopefully we can put this whole thing to rest now and get on with life. Exdeath64 04:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I read everything but still don't know whats going on. Anyway I think the solution should be that you keep things the way that they are and let the forumers be forumers and the editors be editors or be both. Just do your own thing. You can post something in here and it won't get flooded by all the other topics. I really don't even see why there is a problem. Anyway I am just going to lurk again and maybe edit in the shadows see ya.--BigCubby 13:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

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For the love of (insert whatever deity you worship), could we PLEASE stop calling people "kiddies"? And i thought this topic dead? Just let things play out for now and stop with it already. In fact, if any admins are watching, perhaps a thread-lock is needed. Exdeath64 02:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

HURRR DURRRR--Wordup1 14:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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Support.  ILHI 16:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I SUPPORT THIS ALSO MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN--Wordup1 15:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

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