Okay people, can you read the description for Rin's Travel Agency? It says:
This is the forum for all official wiki business and any other discussions involving issues with the Final Fantasy series.
This does NOT mean discussing who the most worthless character in the series is. This does NOT mean poor attempts at humour regarding who the best final boss or hero is. This DEFINITELY DOES NOT mean disturbing the entire Wiki population that have more than half a brain cell about how you would torture certain FF characters! It is for Wiki buisness and issues with the series, not random natter that is about the series just enough that it doesn't get deleted!
No SCM don't calm down you have a right to be angry. I agree that most of these forums suck and are really stupid for the fact of the matter. I suggest we delete all the stupid forums I mean all the new ones are sucking badly just like all those useless Dissidia forums.
who says we're all distubered by it?
The Presiding Lawyer Rarikou is here for defense... loophole time!It says we can discuss Issues, right? Well, some people may have Issues with torchuring people, and want to talk about it... same goes for debates... (Another day, another loophole. Man, am i good or what?
No you're not good at it. It says discuss issues about the wiki I believe. Not about a final boss forum that makes really crappy jokes, not about which ff character would be the best to torture. Once in a while it's okay, but 24/7 is really stupid, if you look on other wikis forums are ment to discuss about the wiki's issues and how to make the wiki better.
(Edit Conflict: Deleting older more stupid forum topics isn't going to make things better. I can see why SCM is mad. It's just that alot of the idiotic threads created are getting old and repetitive and at times, the forums seem like they are taking over the wiki.@Rarikou:Many of the older contributors who helped build this wiki are disturbed by it. And the only ones who really don't care are the forumites, and of course they don't care, they're the ones who live here and they're the ones who create brainless topics.
I agree with mister BDSM. You guys couldn't stay on subject even at gunpoint. Pretty pathethic.
I thought these types of mindless discussions was what the Waystone was for? No matter, that's gone. You could blame whomever nuked it.
Rin's is about wiki maintainance and discussions of Final Fantasy. There is some ambiguity, it seems, with what is included FF issues. If oppinions are not included with the "FF series," this needs to be explicitly stated as a misstake such as this is in fact easy to make.
Because the Waystone was nothing but useless and mediocre topics. Does that mean to move all those discussions to Rin's? No. Go to another place. Here are examples. This place isn't for socializing and making random shit in talk pages and forums. Until Wikia decides to get its ass moving, we ain't reviving the Waystone.
People don't have common sense. That's why coffie cups from McDonalds need to say that they are "HOT."
Meh...I agree that there are a lot of worthless forum topics abound in Rin's. This is why I rarely come to the forums except to work on that little fanfic thing at Zi'tah. Some newer users have even revived threads that are over one or two years old...everyone really hates that. Then again, if we drive these people away, we might lose some of the wiki's attractions, I dunno...
Definitely not. We're not going to let the Waystone ever return to ruin our crops again.
Is ideas on torturing a character a spam? Well, I do see that the Waystone Forum is a spam forum. What does it mean by that?
Whether or not our stuck-up admins or moderators like it, this place is run by fans of Final Fantasy. Noöne here is without opinions and fetishes related to the series. Even the Great Yuanchosaan </vomit> did that stupid chibi crap. Give the fans a place or not, but either way they'll do their thing somewhere.
And I wish to note that I don't partake in the crap I'm defending, so you can't call this a conflict of interest AT ALL. I simply am sick of Wikia non-staff title-holders (such as bureaucrats and sysops) who are under the impression they matter an ounce more than fans of the content.
*sigh* I can't take this anymore!
The way I see it, this forum is becoming just as disruptive as the things you're complaining about. Don't like a forum? Ignore it. The fewer people that contribute to it, the faster it will die. Stop whining.Note: This will be my only post here. I'm going to take my own advice and ignore this forum.
I understand that not everyone like those stupid topics. But ignoring the whole forum can be hard. Some of the topics can be interesting. And when you see one interesting topic out of 10 or 100, people start to complain. Kupuntu 07:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Look, does it really hurt anything? I originally came to this site because of stuff like the "Final Boss" and the "Kain Highwind facts" thread (which I regularly add stuff to), which are the largest threads on here and I am certain I am not the only user to have been drawn in by something like that. The fan's need a place to go to just joke around. And the last time I looked, this was a fan based forum. Designed for use by fans to share information and opinions. If you don't want it in Rin's bring back something like the waystone. I never really understood why that was killed, it all just moved here anyway.
I agree with this. A wiki is, in most cases, a hobby. Just as you can't expect a card player to not make conversation over the table, you can't expect a wikian to not make meaningless conversation about the subjects of their edits.
That's what the IRC and userspace is for. Use them.
Do that in the IRC, and you'll be told that you're "spamming." Do it in the Userspace, and people continue to complain that you're not actively editing the mainspace.
That's a good point. We need a place where people can just assemble and talk about "useless stuff" such as the "final boss" thread without admins getting their knickers in a knot. It really does not harm anything to post stuff like that in Rin's, if you don't want to waste time with it, you need not. Hell, if its that big a deal, just have people mark threads like that with a symbol or a text color or some such.
It is time for the administrators to listen to the voice of the community, and the voice of the community wants a special forum for fan discussions! Yes indeed, if this wiki aims to act the fansite first, wiki second mantra, it needs to have a special forum thread for such things. And it does help that the forum separates "Who is the best hero" thread from "Who makes the best admin" thread! If there is no opposition to such, I believe one new forum will be created for this >;3
Didn't you hear? The current administration seem to want that mantra gone. Many forget the words of the great Ward Cunningham. A wiki is about people, people, information, and people.
But that is preposterous! The only reason why a wiki seemed to look so "active" is because of the community involved. Even with the illusion that they seem to be chatting about "powerful heroes" and "final bosses", it is a healthy indicator that the wiki is a haunt for the fans of the series. Lose these fans, and the wiki will turn into a cold, rigid complex, filled with mechanical bots. If the administration wants it to work that way, why can't they just go to Wikipedia? Must the wiki suffer from an administration that is rejected from Wikipedia for being a fanboy/girl and from the Wikia community for being too serious? If the administration does not feel that way then they must allow a forum thread specifically for fan discussions >;3
Y'see, the difference is Wikip functions through bots doing the harder jobs, they do linking and reverting of obvious vandalism mostly. The other users enforce the laws of Wikip, and add content.
<br.The only way this place could become more like Wikip is if we had an influx of members. ILHI 12:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a problem. There are two ways of looking at the forum's description. One would be to take the sentence as a whole:
One of the main reasons I joined this wiki was for as you put it so eloquently,"random natter that is about the series just enough that it doesn't get deleted!", dude, this type of discussion is impossible to avoid on a fansite, that's right dude, this is a FAN SITE!!!!
What shall we name our soon-to-be-created fan discussion forums?
- I say the "7th Heaven"! >;3 AJDurai 03:28, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm thinking "Why the fuck has this forum being created?" ILHI 12:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- How about "Goug Consortium" Exdeath64 19:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- How about YOUR USERSPACE??? 8bit 20:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- How about not? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
this is getting nowhere
Okay, clearly there are two sides who have differing viewpoints. So how about this?
this might help put things in perspective, if you do not like the concept of a poll, do not vote Exdeath64 20:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- Polls also gets nowhere.
- I would like you to note the people against the creation are the key editors of the wiki. The people for are those who aren't here for the wiki (and should, to put it bluntly, GTFO) ILHI 20:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey pal, we may not have 100,000,000^3.1459... edits, but we still use the wiki, and therefore are entitled to a voice in the community. this is why Yuan never should of left, you lot have no sense of humor? She at least managed to get things done and still not alienate herself from other users, she even managed to keep a sense of humor about most things. This place is rapidly loosing it's appeal, mostly because you guys are WAY too serious about this crap. it is a GAMING wiki. You are not working on operation overlord (D-Day) or some such, so lighten the hell up. What harm does it do to allow people to talk about random crap that actually pertains to the series? And if you don't want to deal with it, dump it in another area (I still vote for Goug Consortium) so you don't have to sully your eyes with it. And just so you know, better men then you lot have tried to get rid of me in the past, and all have failed, so good luck with that. i have done nothing wrong and won't be leaving anytime soon.
Also, Yuan edited user talk and forum less than most users:
And finally: Creating another forum section WILL ONLY PROMOTE more stuff filling up RC. I don't check Forum:Index ever. I only do that when I'm trying to find a dead forum.
Yeah, I'm opinionated and not afraid to show it, get over it. ILHI 20:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I was simply using her has an example of a "higher up" user, who at the same time had a sense of humor and could actually lighten up. Something you clearly need to do. Exdeath64 20:54, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
If you'll look back at the forum that resulted in the abolishment of the Wayston, Yuan was one of the top supporters of its scrapping. So were all of the admins. So use your userspace, por favor. These hero and villain forums are becoming liabilites for fanboys. o.O 8bit 20:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT - The people who are supporting this actually do edit. Just because we don't edit as often as you doesn't mean we don't care about the mainspace. Exdeath has 20-something% in the mainspace, AJ has 2,922 edits (78.8%) there, and you and I've worked together on the FFXI stuff lately. Yes, some people wouldn't edit the mainspace if we had a new forum. But they don't now, either. The only thing it will really change is that Rin's will be free of clutter.EDIT - Plus, stop talking about the opinion of the administration. It's clear that no-one sees them as highly as they themselves do.
Yes, you higher ups clearly do not listen to the opinions of the common users and are just content to hand down your edicts from your proverbial mountain. You higher ups all started has users like us at some point, did you not ever have admins who never listened to you? Think back, at least one must been problematic for you. Exdeath64 21:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- No, CSM, TA and Hecko all were just and fair and edited just like any regular users. They listened to all comments directed their way.
- Also, where has this illusion that the admins are some kind of upper-elite who look down on everyone come from? That's what I want to know. All I do is delete VFDs and ban vandals, I hardly ever say anything these days.
- Finally, mandatory post reminding people we have an off-site forum for you all to use. Of course, attempts to ressurect it always fall flat. Perhaps an effort should be made this time. Diablocon 21:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
i have not seen CSM on here in weeks, and i think Hecko left, and TA only does Dragons Neck. The rest are new admins looking to make a name for themselves by playing hard-nose. Thus making the common user's life a bit more difficult. And how many users knew that thing existed in the first place? An on-site forum would be much more effective. Exdeath64 21:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- The rest? What are you talking about? There was only Diablo until a few days ago. ScatheMote 21:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
that's the point, they are new admins. and therefore are trying to make a name for themselves, combine that with admin power and a lack of experience, and you get a royal mess with the "lesser" users. Exdeath64 21:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- You asked if the admins were ever problematic when I was but a regular user, so I gave you your answer.
- And I hardly think you can judge the new admins. 8Bit and Faethin have only been admins for less than a week and have thus far only really deleted articles and what not. I hardly see how this is making life more difficult for regular users.
- Finally, not many newer users knew of that forum, that's why I brought it up. Also, it would be more effective at what exactly? Spamming up the recent changes? Diablocon 21:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't think that the new admins would need to make a name for themselves, as they were promoted for being some of the best users on the wiki. ScatheMote 21:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
If we where to create another forum for this stuff, it would reduce clutter in rin's, i bet that most people who post pointless stuff on rins would move to a new forum (if it where created) which would probably not result in an immediate change in RC, the same posts would just end up elsewhere. Personally, i don't really see any problem with creating it other then "We don't want to" that I, or somebody else has not already countered. All you have to do is type a few lines of code and this whole thing gets fixed. you get a less cluttered rin's, we get to joke around with other users, with no change to recent changes, and a community that has a sense of humor is far more likely to succeed and draw in more users. everybody wins.
- There WILL BE a notable change in the amount of forums appearing. A new forum section and it will be used. In the long-term people will be less reluctant to make these threads us elites (:D) all hate so. ILHI 22:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
One cannot know until one tries. Just let it have a trial run, and see where it goes. Say two weeks. That should be sufficient to gather enough data for an educated decision on it. If it works, it works, if it does not, it does not. At least let us try and see if we can do better then the waystone this time around. And what could it harm, if it fails, you get to do the whole "I told you so" bit, and if it does not, we expand the community and de-clutter rin's at the same time. Exdeath64 01:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- I love how the Waystone has not been dead for half a year before there is a longing to dredge it up again. Would someone who wants to create a new forum for random fan topics give some examples of what those would entail? Stuff that people cannot take to the IRC or post on subpages of their USERPAGE (lol, iz teh 3rd time I referenced that and yet no one seems to latch onto it).
- Take me for example. I have 4 FF Quizzes, a fan-made Dissidia (thankfully I have no urge to edit it), a FF Wiki Quote anthology, a fanfic with other users (plug :D), and a Sandbox all under my userspace. Other users have similar setups. Why do we need another forum space?
- Also, I don't think Rin's is cluttered at all. The only thing I think is worrisome is that "Best FF Hero" thread, which is burgeoning with random, grammatically deficient posts that tend to either repeat each other or include profanities. 8bit 02:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- Let us not get carried away with this argument about user edits, user importance and the like. It will likely go on forever with no conclusion. What we can deduce is this - there actually is a great variety of user with different traits and edit types and that we shouldn't place one over the other - everyone contributes with their individual way, and we can't control what they do - and that no user is "better" than the other, admin or otherwise. Except for "vandals" >;3
- Despite Diablocon's attempt at actually advertising an off-site forum, this is not reflected on the entirety of the wiki. There is no link wheresoever that points to such places, and even if there was one, I doubt anyone managed to find it in a blink of an eye, unlike the wiki Forums link prominently seen at the sidebar and at the mainpage. I don't want to say it, but this is the faux-pas of the administration. If they want the off-site forums to be prominently used, then they should go all out to advertise and make it known to the users of the wiki.
- I actually opted for a FFVII-themed Forum thread name because of the lack of mentioning the most iconic FF series of all time (and I might add that despite how you disagree, ask any laymen about FF and they'll cite a certain spiky-haired boy or none at all) in the Forum:Index. That said, shall we get this forum running? AJDurai 02:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Check out the main page and see if you find my solution.@endgame: You think writing that makes you look like anything but a kiddie?
Yes, I am laughing quite heartilly as well, EndGame. It was a simple suggestion, but it is seriously being viewed as a "threat" to the "harmony" of the RC, whatever that so means. "Spamming the RC", indeed >;3 AJDurai 02:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps fixing those forums is a better idea than opening a new one. Or do you blindly disagree for hopes of recognition, gnome who would be vandal?
What the HELL is that vandal doing back? I thought Hecko permanently banned this crazy broad before she left? And i may be annoying and a tad chaotic, but this is a discussion about how this place is being run and how it will continue to be run, unlike your "pandemonium" this is work with a logical purpose and you should cease from screwing with it. In layman's terms. Step off. Exdeath64 03:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure the perma-ban never went through, and EG can be helpful sometimes. Anyway, we really need to resolve this before we go back to random arguing.
- IMHO, the only way to lower the supply of nonsense topics is if we put enough referencing, and therefore divert at least some traffic, to the off-wiki forums. Therefore, I propose that links to the off-wiki forums be added to the on-wiki forum index and Rin's page, as well as a warning that Rin's is intended only for serious posts. And if that falls through, tell people to just use their damn userspace.
- Ideas? Suggestions? --SCM 03:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
That depends, where is the off site forum located, and how does it work. Does it use the Wikia system, or does it run like the IRC? If it allows us to continue to post interesting stuff, i see no problem. And HOW on earth could this chick EVER be helpful? Ever read "V for Vendetta"? Crazy anarchists never lead anywhere good. Exdeath64 03:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
And before you say it, i am not crazy, just terminally weird. And I am NOT an anarchist, I'm a moderate who hates both extremes (Total Anarchy and Total Control, both lead nowhere good) Exdeath64 03:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- Here, like a normal forum, check her contribs and find out, and no. All of those answers are in the order you asked the questions for. And terminally wierd is close enough to crazy so I don't care. --SCM 03:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
TERMINALLY WEIRD IS NOT THE SAME THING HAS CRAZY! IT SIMPLY MEANS YOU DON'T DO THINGS THE SAME WAY AS EVERYBODY ELSE, CRAZY IS WHEN YOU GO FLYING OFF THE HANDLE AT THE DROP OF A HAT OR GO THE WHOLE NORMAN BATES ROUTE!!!!1 *Ahem* Anyway, i had no idea this thing actually existed, if we could tag a link to it in the main forum area, this might take some of the stress off of rin's. And V was a classic, give it a try, and for the love of GOD do not watch the movie first. the movie was lousy. Exdeath64 03:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- CRAZY IS WHEN YOU GO FLYING OFF THE HANDLE AT THE DROP OF A HAT
- Like you just did? -_- And yeah, basically, increasing awareness to the off-wiki forum would probably divert topics off to over there. Now to see if I can find a copy of V for Vendetta around here... --SCM 03:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Why are people seemingly ignoring 8bit's idea about user space? It's so obvious that this thread is going nowhere.
And what are people getting so upset over? This topic is painfully boring. And the Forums in question are painfully boring. Calm down, quit crying, and maybe things will finally get solved.
I agree with the fact that the forum needs that mod-approval thing removed. That would seriously help. Oh, and I put a link on the main page. I figured that it would help.
Okay, next time i go on a joke-rant, i am going to stick in something so you know i am joking(like:<Joke></Joke>). I figured the *ahem* thing and the transition to serious was a sufficient indication, i really should of done something the last time i tried a joke... And the scans of V can probably be found online. And i had no idea non-mod or non-admin's could mess with that kind of thing. Not that i am going to start. Hopefully we can put this whole thing to rest now and get on with life. Exdeath64 04:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I read everything but still don't know whats going on. Anyway I think the solution should be that you keep things the way that they are and let the forumers be forumers and the editors be editors or be both. Just do your own thing. You can post something in here and it won't get flooded by all the other topics. I really don't even see why there is a problem. Anyway I am just going to lurk again and maybe edit in the shadows see ya.--BigCubby 13:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Instead of making everyone agree with your opinion, like so many kiddies are doing, listen to the opinions of others and the ones against it. 8bit gave a very clear point, all of this forum stuff can be done in the IRC or userspace.
So talking about random things on the IRC is spam? Only if you shout out random gibberish like "OMG PIE SIPPY CUP <3" or going "....." every ten seconds is called spam.
So you're asked to get out of userspace because you're not actively editing the mainspace? Well duh. Do you think editing the userspace constantly and never editing the mainspace is gonna make everyone happy?
The best solutions? Get out of the forums, all of you little forumites. You don't like editing the mainspace? Tough. So GTFO of this wiki, and go to those forums I linked to. Whatever, you lazy kiddies have some sort of issues with long amounts of text, as many of you can't seem to absord what we're saying (or search for links).
Hahaha, End Game has such a skill of making kiddies look even less intelligent then they already are. I applaud her. :DThat's my last say on this, and yes, I really do see many of you as brainless. Toodles~.
Y'know, this was over yesterday. People were agreeing with each other. I even personally set up links to the off-site forum run by the wiki. (End Game could even have been considered "help" with a loose definition.)
Then BigCubby, who had no clue what the conversation was about, and you, who seem to simply desire a renewed disagreement at the moment, have to waltz on in and keep this going. Congratufuckinglations. This is only a big deal because the people trying to make it a little deal are making it a big deal. Happy?Seriously, people, stop disagreeing for the sake of it and just sign up for the damn forum if you haven't already.
I just noticed...you guys revived the old FFProject wiki, didn't you? The one with Renmiri in it?
People will not stop posting fan discussions here >;3 Despite all your hundred word essays and your name-calling, the off-site forum is still being abandoned. Last single post is in "January 2009"? And who wants to moderate these off-site forums anyway? >;3
I would spend every waking moment there if it made these arguments stop. I honestly don't even know who's doing it now.
For the love of (insert whatever deity you worship), could we PLEASE stop calling people "kiddies"? And i thought this topic dead? Just let things play out for now and stop with it already. In fact, if any admins are watching, perhaps a thread-lock is needed. Exdeath64 02:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
HURRR DURRRR--Wordup1 14:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Uh, right, whatever you say, Wordup1. If people are getting so worked up over this, maybe there shouldn't even be forums. Getting rid of all of them would solve it.
- Support. ILHI 16:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I SUPPORT THIS ALSO MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN--Wordup1 15:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Uhmmm back at the original topic... I think it said Discuss "Final Fantasy" as well as Wiki Maintenance... So I think people could put any "FF thread" they want and make a Wiki Maintenance thread. I know this kinda sounds stupid... but its what i thought about this complaint. The definition says it all, so you can make any FF Thread you want but not a Fanboy thread i think...
I don't think a lot of people would want to go to the forum side of FFWiki. I'm kinda worried here.
Indeed, nobody does. For the time being, I must point out one little tidbit for people who use the "Waystone argument" - The Waystone was for posting "Non FF" discussions. That was why it evolved into the repugnancy that everyone was not pleased with. However, an other alternative - the Sanctuary of Z'tah is the perfect spot for FF fans discourse. Do away with this "offsite forum" nonsense, and let us move fan discussions into the "Zi'tah". Effective, I believe >;3
Isn't Zi'tah for fanworks? Or maybe not?
Fanworks, fan discussions... they still have the magic word "fan" in them. What difference does it make? The participation of "prominent users" or lack of them? Zi'tah for all fans! >;3
Maybe people put fan-purposed threads here because they don't understand the purpose of Zi'tah. Maybe they should make the info more clear, I guess.
Effective, I believe >;3
Stupid is more like it >;3 Like Kuzla correctly points out; Zi'tah is a showcase for fanworks (which the previous description explained quite well, I would say: "Display your own Final Fantasy inspired work here."), not random fan-discussions. If people want random fan-threads, get the off-site forum up and running, if they can't be bothered, then random fan-threads obviously aren't as important to them as they claim, so then who cares?
If y'all want a more active place, then no one is stopping you from contacting the larger, already existing fora and asking if they'd be willing to become affiliates with the FFWiki, should you be able to convince the 'higher-ups'.So for people apparently wanting another forum rather badly, y'all seem to put surprisingly little effort into anything other than complaining about it.
I don't get why we are all hell bent to change this wiki. Why can't we just leave things as it is? "Why change the world and deforming it in the process, when we could just leave it as it is?" In all the time I'm in this wiki, I've very rarely seen any "crisis". Seriously, leaving Rin's TA as it is won't do any damage to the wiki.
"Complaining about it", indeed. The complaint, as seen on top, was of the flood of fan discussions and rants, not on the "complaining" for "another forum". Suggestions were created and forwarded, of course, to resolve the complaints; yet no finger is lifted to absolve the situation, only evaluations of brilliance or stupidity, again from an administrator, which fails to resolve anything. >;3
@AJ: Just what's up with you and administrators and staff? D: You've been like.. pointing all the mistakes to them and all... D: I don't quite get it...
I do believe you are at the wrong thread, SilverSummoner >;3
@AJ: Congrats on your great ability to write tons of completely worthless input which is also wrong, by the way. It must come in handy often >;3 For the sake of time efficiency, you may want to consider just saying "DUUUUUR DUR DUR DUUUUUUR" in the future; it's about just as intelligent, but quicker >;3
As for your "points", the initial complaint dealt people posting random stuff in Rin's, which it isn't intended for. The "people" then wanted a new (on-site) forum, which didn't fly with the seniors, since they already know that's a pretty damn bad idea. The viable solution (which was mentioned various times) were off-site fora, the IRC, and the user space. In combination, theses three things solved the every mentioned issue COMPLETELY (add moar emphasis) and more. People who didn't want redundant stuff cluttering the RC page or off-topic stuff going to Rin's (where it doesn't belong) get their wish. People who still want a forum to discuss random stuff can just click one link, and boom, they have their wish. Perfect solution.
Now, enter people bitching (what I called "complaining") about it. And what are the reasons? Not enough activity? Then start posting and CREATE some activity instead of expecting everything to be served on a silver platter. Not enough advertisement? Then advertise it. Oh wait, that was you wasn't it? Well how amusing. As I recall, you called it a mistake by the administration, did you not? But you could have advertised it just as well. That's very interesting, don't you think? >;3 Complaining about the administration not doing something that you could have done just as well, but opted not too. Hypocrisy much? >;3
Also, beyond that, what exaaaaactly did you expect the administration to do, since you said they didn't lift a finger? They gave links to where the off-sites fora were, the issue was solved there, so what more could there have been done by them? I mean really? >;3
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That really was amusing: a comprehensive statement from a member of the administration. I am glad matters mentioned are finally being implemented, and action is taken, especially by the quick, reliable administration. Huzzah! I forgive you, HeckoX, for this must have stressed you out so. Let us see if the wiki shall achieve its intended results >:3
If I had cared for your 'forgiveness', I would have asked for it >;3 And actually, I'm quite relaxed, but feel free to jump to conclusions any time since that always turns out super swell for you</sarcasm> >;3But yes, as a definite solution was reached ever so long ago, maybe it would be wise to lock this topic and stick it in the archives, no? >;3