Changes: Forum:XI Subjob section

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		Jimcloud TALK - 05:18, January 26, 2011 (UTC)



		Okay, so I've been looking at the XI job articles. (They're pitiful, but that's a point for another time.) They all have this section near the bottom called "Subjobs". Whenever I see one of these things, they bother me. I really think they should be removed. Allow me to put the pros and cons I can think of in lovely bullet points for all to watch in their splendor. Pros Provides insight to strategic thinking of XI (This is about all I can think of) Cons Outdated Make frequent use of MMO jargon that makes reading difficult for people not versed in the game. Barely even relevant. Look, let's be honest here. At this point, there are four jobs that players will have as their subjob 80% of the time: NIN, SAM, WHM, SCH. These are the subjobs 80%+ people in this game use. Other subjobs are for specialized jobs or occasions. Mostly copied from other locations (Adonzo) Opinion. (Adonzo) That's about everything I can think of. I'd like others' opinions before I nuke a full section of an article in 20 articles, and if anyone has any other good points for or against I'll add them up here for reference. Thoughts?


		Adonzo - I don't claim to have a degree in doctorology TALK - 05:30, January 26, 2011 (UTC)



		I approve of this. As some other cons, I'm fairly certain they're copy/pasted from FFXI wiki (unfortunately a lot of FFXI content here is, namely the genus pages), and can also be seen as opinion.


		Jimcloud TALK - 05:32, January 26, 2011 (UTC)



		As someone who has read the FFXI Strategy guide, I guarantee you that's where it's stolen from. Same idea, though, yeah.


		Jimcloud TALK - 05:47, February 5, 2011 (UTC)



		Does anyone have an argument in favor of the subjobs section? If not, I'll get started on their removal.

TacticAngel ^TALK

_{05:05, February 8, 2011 (UTC)}

I'm not sure why we would want to remove them. The whole point of the Final Fantasy XI articles here are that we provide insight into Final Fantasy XI for people who will likely never play the game. The only thing I can't comment on is 'outdated.' It has been about a year since I've played the game, and from what I understand, its become something of a watered down cluster in the time since I left. I find that very, very sad really, but I have a hard time believing there are not worthwhile things to mention there. I don't think most people are going to have only one of four subjobs, particularly since (as I recall, though people might have edited some of my words out of existence) there were some level-specific mentions in certain places. Now, I wrote a lot of that stuff (initially). Some of it was rephrased or paraphrased ideas from other places I'm sure, but anyone who played the game for 4 years as a bard had a lot of time to think about these things, read about them, and could probably write a paragraph about each potential subjob.

The point of the articles is clearly to educate an outsider about FFXI. Now, that said, why is the subjob section less important than any other section? Does Yuan or Diablo or Blue really care what level a Black Mage can cast Firaga III? Is that information inherently more important than saying that WHM/BLM is useful at low levels, etc, etc. Yes, its tainted with opinion, but so is 90% of any articles that stray beyond basic enemy statistics.

How do we provide greater insight by deleting these sections?

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 {{TA|05:05, February 8, 2011 (UTC)|I'm not sure why we would want to remove them. The whole point of the Final Fantasy XI articles here are that we provide insight into Final Fantasy XI for people who will likely never play the game. The only thing I can't comment on is 'outdated.' It has been about a year since I've played the game, and from what I understand, its become something of a watered down cluster in the time since I left. I find that very, very sad really, but I have a hard time believing there are not worthwhile things to mention there. I don't think most people are going to have only one of four subjobs, particularly since (as I recall, though people might have edited some of my words out of existence) there were some level-specific mentions in certain places. Now, I wrote a lot of that stuff (initially). Some of it was rephrased or paraphrased ideas from other places I'm sure, but anyone who played the game for 4 years as a bard had a lot of time to think about these things, read about them, and could probably write a paragraph about each potential subjob.
-The point of the articles is clearly to educate an outsider about FFXI. Now, that said, why is the subjob section less important than any other section? Does Yuan or Diablo or Blue really care what level a Black Mage can cast Firaga III? Is that information inherently more important than saying that WHM/BLM is useful at low levels, etc, etc. Yes, its tainted with opinion, but so is 90% of any articles that stray beyond basic enemy statistics.}}
+The point of the articles is clearly to educate an outsider about FFXI. Now, that said, why is the subjob section less important than any other section? Does Yuan or Diablo or Blue really care what level a Black Mage can cast Firaga III? Is that information inherently more important than saying that WHM/BLM is useful at low levels, etc, etc. Yes, its tainted with opinion, but so is 90% of any articles that stray beyond basic enemy statistics.
+How do we provide greater insight by deleting these sections?}}