In what has got to certainly got to be the most novel addition to wikia, you can now enable achivements for your wiki. Read about it here:
Unlike so many other recent new additions, I'm not against this. For one thing, they didn't force it on us. Even if they did, I wouldn't mind because it's just some harmless fun that doesn't alter anything about the wiki (plus I love the concept of achievements and always welcome them being integrated into anything).
So yeah, little poll here. Shall we turn them on? Diablocon 21:23, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Sure, why not?
- Seems like the Merit Award, or Barnstar, done right. BLUER一番 21:57, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Because we have failed to come up with a working award system. Having users recognize others for their work is awesome, but it's been tried and failed. People get lazy and don't look for great contributions, and don't nominate others for the awards we had. Because of that, right now the only means of recognition of great work on this wiki is to award one with modship, and even then, that's not saying much because of the nature of the position. There are plenty of users who deserve recognition for their hard work here, and sadly, will never get it. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 22:30, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Breaking the habit of a lifetime, I know. Yes there will be people who will abuse the system, but if it encourages users to edit the wiki more often, then I'm all for it. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 23:09, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Because I like to
brag.have my efforts rewarded with browser-slowing goodness. 死の騎士 23:39, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Nah, it's fine.
- The concept for these is good. It could be a great way to motivate people to start editing things. However, a few things do bother me. Firsly, these awards would be displayed on the page. While this seems like common sense, I am wary as followed pages single-handedly screwed up the format of most userpages (that, and they were a dumb idea). Secondly, it could become competitive, with users making dumb edits to make the leaderboards. Also, these awards seem to be about editcount, and not contributions, which I don't like. So yeah, unsurprisingly, I'm against it. ScatheMote 21:49, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
- No, at the beginning, everyone will be happy about it but later no one will give a crap about it so...no. TenzaZangetsu 22:51, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm gonna agree with what Scathe said. --SilverCrono 22:55, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
- No. I just learnt at #wikia that the thing only takes into account edit counts, as opposed to fewer but substantial edits. There's no justice in this being the only criterion being followed. Fëasindë te audio 00:10, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed with Fae - it's not an even playing ground, and that'd bother me. I'm also anti-this-idea in general. They have a similar system on the God of War wiki and it's terrible. - Paramina 00:15, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
- If it's based on only edit count then...well...eh? We already have the edit count in needlessly giant numbers on everyone's userpage. (Who has the most wins? :p)Keltainentoukokuu 00:47, August 5, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
- People above gave the arguments. I won't repeat them. KujaRhapsodos 02:35, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
- The Merit Award system mostly failed because users were unwilling to nominate and recognize others' contributions. I think a system that just automatically measures edit counts and dispenses badges is worse. Actual people should offer praise for the work of their fellow editors, not a calculator. If we have a large amount of customization available, and could issue badges like "This user helped with the restoration of Revenant Wings location images" instead of "This user has achieved 1000 file edits", it would work, but I don't think that's possible. 8bit BlackMage 03:29, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Not that my opinion counts for much, but even as a newbie, I see issues with it. I have something over 300 edits now, but I have to say the lion's share of them have been small things, like spelling, grammar, and standardizing things like italics. Also, lots of questions. While I wouldn't call these things useless, they really don't compare to someone getting a guide and providing in-depth info on every monster and such. Just doing it by edit count doesn't reflect the quality of the edits and encourages elitism for people who've simply been around longer. Bluestarultor 04:27, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
- The idea has credence, but users editing solely for rewards are editing for all the wrong reasons. 11:42, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
If we go ahead with this, I'll start a new topic for achievement ideas and discussions.
If this goes ahead, I'd like to be in-charge of its execution and policing. I love the mainspace, I love mainspace edits, boom de ah da 2x
Wikia, actually coming up with a genuinely good idea? I didn't think they had it in them!
I'm a bit unsure about this. I had a poke around, and the wikis that have adopted the idea seem to manage quite well, and I assume we can turn them off if worst comes to worst? But then, as others have said; it could become very competitive, and draw attention toward the awards rather than the wiki. I think it would be best to start of with a trial period (let's say a month) and see what effect it has, and we can take it from there.
Right reasons to edit the mainspace:
Because you want to, are able to, and/or enjoy doing so. Because you're bored. Because of peer pressure (everyone else is doing it). Because the wiki admins keep telling you to ("edit the mainspace DAMMIT!" and so forth).
For rewards, respect or power. To prove that you're better than someone else. To damage something. To gain false trust so that you can cause anarchy at a later date. Because you think you will gain valuable life experince from doing so (HA!). Because you're bored.
I've come from a forum background, and I'm used to people being rewarded titles based on their post count. There were a few people that abused their post count to get a better title, but all in all it was, if anything, an incentive to contribute more to the forum and get a higher title.
For wikis, I can see the same thing happening. People would use the achievement system to contribute more to the wiki mainspace and filespace. You could argue that awards could raise competitiveness, but is that really a bad thing? The only winner would be the wiki. Besides, you could argue that people are competitive with their post count anyway.
True, you still get the odd fool who abuses the awards system to better their rank, but they always existed anyway, and they don't last on the wiki very long. You'll get people who want to better their rank, and people who won't be that bothered about it (like me), but all in all I think the pros outweigh the cons and that's why I think the achievements are a good idea.Plus I have a good idea on what the awards could consist of.
Jeppo is correct on all counts, but playing off of that, is it so wrong to want to be recognized for the work we do here? No, it's not a paying job, it's volunteer work, but even volunteers in the real world get recognition. It would raise the morale of the editor even by a slightest amount to spur them on to edit more.
I trust in the fact that the users we have here won't abuse the system. At least, the ones who actually deserve recognition will not. Newer users will in fact most likely abuse the system, but that's nothing a few warnings and in dire casts, a short block can't fix...In reiteration of Jeppo, in the end it's the wiki who wins, along with the hard working users. Let them have their day in the sun.
What constitutes as a "hard working user" though? I'm just going to use this as an example: I spent like, 45 minutes on the Rasler article, cropping and uploading new images and completely expanding/re-writing all the text there. Which, if edit count is the basis of this reward system, which would give me the same reward as hitting "undo revision" in a second. I already find the whole edit count thing dubious because some users put a lot of work into things, but their count will always be beat out by five comma additions from someone else. If the whole concept is "reward users for editing mainspace", then it isn't an even playing field.
I support this basically for it to be a personal achievement of myself; seeing that the "Achievement" feature is like an automatic rewarding entity onto itself, and not the subjective judgment of wikia users - of which IMHO isn't entitled to judgment in the first place.And this feature is customizable and policeable. Good faith in place, it shouldn't be hard to execute. Those who claim to not care about edit counts, wouldn't be bothered if the feature was in place, I think.