I can't help noticing that trolls are allowed to go around unchecked on this site's question portion. Can someone explain to me why we're allowing this? This IS a site for Final Fantasy fans after all and trolling should NOT be allowed!
- The Answers Wikia was not created by us. Wikia forced that upon us. In all honesty, I think nobody has any control over that site (are there even any admins?) and nobody here cares because we've got the Dollet Hotel. It's sad, but we can't do a thing about it.Template:Catuse167/sig04:46, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 04:48, December 5, 2011 (UTC) | |||
First, sign your posts with ~~~~. Secondly; trolls exist on every website on the internet, and is generally accepted as a fact-of-life; getting rid of them in neigh-immposible. Also, can you show me an example of these trolls in the "question portion". I'm asuming you mean the forums? | |||
He means Final Fantasy Answers. This is slapped across one of the sidebars in Oasis and has rubbish like "Is Bartz gay?" and "Can we play as Osama bin Laden in Final Fantasy Versus XIII?" I don't think there's a single good post on there.Template:Catuse167/sig04:50, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I believe that he means the awful 'Answers' wiki that is linked to from this wiki in Oasis, LaCC. There are indeed no admins on that wiki at the moment. I believe that some users are trying to adopt it to clean it up, but it is ultimately not our problem. We are not directly affiliated with that wiki and do not currently have any control over it. I suspect that many of us wish that it would just go away. >_> | |||
This is relevant.Template:Catuse167/sig05:11, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
For those who haven't seen what it looks like in Oasis, here is a screenshot. As you can see, it reflects rather poorly on us. From what I have discovered so far, it may be possible to ask Wikia to remove the Answers box from our wiki. This would likely be a good thing, so I will investigate it further. | |||
I believe Nemesisx has been erasing bad pages, but doesn't have deletion powers and is overwhelmed with the junk over there. Getting Wikia to remove it shouldn't be hard; while they refuse to give up Oasis, surely they can see that Answers Wikia is bad PR? Why not replace it with something like the most recent post from each of the fora or something?Template:Catuse167/sig05:42, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I have spoken with sannse at Wikia, and we have several options. We can request that it be removed from the Oasis sidebar, which is probably sensible at least until it has been cleaned up. As far as adoption goes, she said:
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I'm all for removing the answers box from the Oasis sidebar. I know that thing is terrible, and I barely even use Oasis. | |||
Likeacupcake - Never are we more free, than when we are confined to the realm of dreams. TALK - 07:07, December 5, 2011 (UTC) | |||
I've had a look through it and found one ligit question. Though to be fair: I've been out of the loop for almost two months. | |||
Hi there, as most of you must know by now i am trying to request adoption of the Final Fantasy Answers wiki, most of you don't seem to like the site and from the amount of trolls that are attracted to it i don't blame you, now im not to sure with the whole history of the wikia forceing it upon you guys or what not but if you could help support me in adopting it i would very much appreciate it, as ive said before i belive the site holds some potentional and should not be cluttered with childish questions. 
The Netherealm awaits for you 11:15, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I very much do Tia, it infurriates me that the most i can do is delete the stupid answers, tag the idiotic questions for deletion or at the least re phrase the question to DELETE, if i have the power i would delete the questions and ban hammer the trolls, if you would like to say your peice in my adoptiong fellow FF users please do so here- http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Central:Adoption_requests#Final_Fantasy_Answers_Wiki_.28on_hold.29. The more support i get the better chance i have at cleaning up and makeing the answers wiki something usefull. The Netherealm awaits for you 11:29, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Tia, i do need every supporter i can get, at the moment ive been put on hold from the wikia so they are still decieding but if i do get adminship and you wish to aid us in ban hammering the trolls please let me know. The Netherealm awaits for you 11:49, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
On a side not how do you all make those speech bubbles and such, its so advanced compared to other wikias. The Netherealm awaits for you 11:53, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Ok thanks. The Netherealm awaits for you 12:13, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I think an Answers Wiki could compliment this site because people do have questions, but definitely not the way it is now. It's good to hear someone is doing something about this. Let us know how it is going.Keltainentoukokuu 13:23, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I figured I'd voice this here. I am another active member who is helping NemesisX's desire of eliminating trolling on the Answers Wiki. I've been a long time fan of the Final Fantasy wiki, and it's a damn shame the quality of the answers section (Or lack therefore) tarnishes this site. I've been offered a seat of adminship should Nemesisx succeed in his adoption request, and I guess you could argue I was the one who put the idea of cleaning the site up in his head. I've had preexisting Adminship experience, so I couldn't sit back and let this happen. Just letting you know NemesisX is not alone in his desire to clean up the answers wiki, and hopefully I can help him in his idea of making it a beneficial center of both the Final Fantasy wiki, and the Final Fantasy fanbase in general, because as I've seen, the so called "Contributers" aren't doing that themselves. Lockexceles34 18:35, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Sorceror Nobody – The supreme nonentity Talk · Flan's Elbow Colosseum · MSPA Wiki · 19:41, December 5, 2011 (UTC) "I can detect matter down to one atom in a vacuum the size of the moon, and apparently, this guy doesn't exist" -- Foaly | |||
Well, if there's a strong likelihood of it being cleaned up and, thereafter, monitored, then in the long run, I see no reason for it not to stay. It's one of the things in Oasis that I come close to actually liking, insofar as it's a pretty innocuous widget in itself... y'know, when it's not being abused by rampant trolls. However, if the adoption isn't going to be resolved extremely soon, then I'd certainly agree with disabling the widget for the time being. After all, even if the adoption went through right now, the cleanup won't happen instantaneously. Quickly, perhaps, if the rogue questions are all being marked out in advance, but it'll still take some time to deal with them.
So, yeah, I'd support temporarily disabling it. Once it's been cleaned up, we can decide whether we want to bring it back or leave it disabled. | |||
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Hey, all. I did some digging and for the time being, I may be able to whip up some code to at least say we don't own it. It would be easy enough to remove it myself, but then Wikia would likely have words concerning policy. Although before doing so, I'd like to speak to Wikia myself concerning this. To do that, I'd like to get a consensus on what our direction is going to be. Bluntly, I don't want it there. We have our own internal area and I see no reason we should be redirecting people to an area we don't control and having it reflect on us. No offense to either of the people hoping to adopt the section, but the fact of the matter is that the object in question is both redundant and best managed internally. I wasn't even aware of it until now because it doesn't seem to show up for me while logged in, and I use Oasis mostly unaltered. That's just my opinion, though. I'd like to get those of others as well, so I'm making a poll at the top of this page. | |||
To clarify my position, I feel that, whilst I wish Nemesisx the very best in adopting the Answers wiki and getting it under control, we should not be prominently affiliated with something that is outside of our control and not directly relevant to main purpose of the wiki. As such, I feel that the Answers box should go. Really, as it is, it is barely any different to prominently featuring the GameFAQs Final Fantasy section; we do not do that, and, indeed we should not have the Answers wiki featured. The box should most certainly go. | |||
So far we're doing pretty darn well. Just don't expect me to be as active on this wiki until we prevail.Template:Catuse167/sig16:24, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
I have had very mixed feelings about this area. For me, the main con is that it's completely independent from the control of our userbase in general, being a distinct wiki. Unless this is solved, I'd have to agree with getting rid of it entirely because I simply can't find any sense in featuring something on our wiki which we're not even affiliated with.
On the other hand, it's incredibly more useful and easy to use than help forums and can be actually used as a kind of feedback on the very site. If not for the freedom of access, this would be just amazing. - Henryacores^ 01:14, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
Not anymore there not, ive got the trolls running to the hills while me and Lockexceles are hunting them down one by one and belive me it feels.... GREEEEEEAT! :) haha. The Netherealm awaits for you 02:00, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
- I think you're missing the point. The idea of having an easy setup to ask questions isn't bad. However, the fact that it's an external site is awful. I think if it was internal nobody would take issue with it, but the fact is that it's an external site which offers only a few options: 1) we affiliate and relinquish control of our own question-answering, 2) we effectively split our recently-increased staff between two wikis with your help and approval, or 3) we effectively split our whole community over two wikis. All three options are bluntly balls-ass retarded. The fourth option is to remove the module from our site, allowing each to retain its own community, which is what a landslide so far is in favor of. Bluestarultor
BSA 05:51, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Nobody is suggesting that we split the staff, or the community; it's an unfeasible solution to a half-assed problem. I personally would go for option one, to be quite honest, because really, if our userbase has queries they're more than free to look them up, hardly anyone asks questions in our designated forum for it anymore. What's the issue with having a little faith in these two gentlemen? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:39, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Surely you don't misunderstand me if I don't think that a user I have never seen in my life in this wiki will act according to its interests with absolutely no doubt. Sadly, that issue is marking. Again, the point is not if I do or not trust said user(s?).- Henryacores^ 22:59, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Nobody is suggesting that we split the staff, or the community; it's an unfeasible solution to a half-assed problem. I personally would go for option one, to be quite honest, because really, if our userbase has queries they're more than free to look them up, hardly anyone asks questions in our designated forum for it anymore. What's the issue with having a little faith in these two gentlemen? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:39, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
Answers to "Other"
Get rid of it until they've cracked down on the vandalism.Template:Catuse167/sig02:35, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
I think this type of space would be preferred by many people to ask questions rather than the forum. Plus you may be able to quickly see if someone else has already asked the same thing. I don't think we should bury the idea quite so fast. One thing I worry though is that someone's gonna post some spoilers there and then it'll show up for everyone who visits the site. Like post the ending of FFXIII-2 when it's soon out. This is why I think we should remove it for now, not until it is up and running properly and we can "trust" it. | |||
Ok guys i had to thrown in my two cents here, i noticed the poll and has to vote, now if you guys decide to remove it then go ahead, do what you think best espically since its not even considered to be a sister wiki but perhaps if i do get approved for the adoption and such that later on down the track you guys could perhaps just create a link to the site on the main page or something and get rid of the side box all together or just have neither what ever is easy. :) The Netherealm awaits for you 03:16, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
- I, for one, am firmly opposed to killing it (although I accept I probably will be overruled). If you and LockeXCeles get it under control, I see no reason to get rid of it and Kelt said the truth about it. We are an FF fansite; this is hardly different than the Blackjack or Dollet Hotel, except that nobody on this wiki approved it before it got installed.Template:Catuse167/sig03:21, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
The main issue with the thing is that it was created BY WIKIA and they didn't even have the decency to install any staff in there. At bloody all. Look at this. I checked every named user page and not one of the named users is listed as the founder, or even an admin. Whatever they were smoking, they seem to have figured it would just manage itself. That's just plain thoughtless, as well as careless given they didn't even bother to check whether one of their top ten had forums dedicated to that stuff already. Bluestarultor 
BSA 03:34, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Nope, that's just a list of the users with profiles. The [creator] doesn't have one.Template:Catuse167/sig03:37, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
Lockxceles34 here. Nemesis and I as of me writing this have officially succeeded in obtaining control and I have begun working on cleaning up the Answers Wiki immediately. (To anyone reading this who cares). Lockexceles34 06:00, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
Hello all,i would just like to thank you all for supporting me and Lockexceles in the never ending quest of requesting adoption of the Final Fantasy Answers wiki, i only just returned from work to see this great news (bad thing is im in a middle of a black out so im sitting on a laptop hopeing its battery doesnt run out lol) but anyway thank you all. The Netherealm awaits for you 13:59, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds like you're both doing well. Keep up the good work, we'll be there to support you should you need it. Tia-Lewise 13:08, December 7, (UTC)
Other Discussions Pertaining to the Answers Wiki
This is apparently turning into a thread for discussion of the Answers Wiki, and I'd like to ask two things. First, do you mind if we steal BORROW the feathers in the Oasis sidebar of this wiki, and the talk template? (Actually, never mind that; we stole them already, but it's better to ask first). Second of all, how do you get the feathers previously mentioned to stay on one side and fit perfectly in there?Template:Catuse167/sig05:55, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see why it would be a problem to
stealer, borrow the feathers as long as they don't have some ridiculous copyright on them. Second question...I'd ask someone with a lot of coding knowledge. Tia-Lewise 14:37, December 8, 2011 (UTC) - Stealing the feathers gives the false impression that the answers wiki is part of this wiki. The feathers are protected by copyright, it's very bad form to steal them like that.Keltainentoukokuu 17:26, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- That was dumb of me. :( I thought that it was fair use because I swear I've seen those on another site and I got the bad impression that they weren't copyrighted, which is why you included them. So no background for now. Also, Tia, only admins can change the backgrounds, so SN might not know anyways.Template:Catuse167/sig23:56, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
Before this forum really got going, I did ask Yuan on the IRC if I could contact Wikia about the possibility of removing the Answers box, at least until the Answers Wiki was properly cleaned up. I did so, and, as of today, the Answers box is currently disabled for this wiki. http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.png
22:27, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Vandalized no longer. The only questions we've missed that could be considered trolling are so old nobody's gonna find them, let alone us.Template:Catuse167/sig23:56, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
Lazy
I cba to read this forum. Why have we removed Questions? It's like.... gone. And now I can't see recent questions asked on random pages.
Why would we want to remove it? It's like a far more used version of the Dollet Hotel.
I imagine it was removed because no one polices it. I guessed that from the title.
But that's because there were no staff at the Answers wiki. I know this. I was there.
But why would we want to not be affiliated with them? Not only is it a wiki... thing.... but it's something we automatically affiliate with. And is very useful, for both us and people using the wiki.
Now people passing by on the wiki can't find a simple way to ask questions, since it's not linked to where it usually is.
You are removing things that can help our users? Why must the wiki do this. Why must the wiki not consider the people the wiki is for before it removes a nuisance to only the people running it? 79.69.203.70 23:13, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- If you actually read what the rest of the community thinks, you wouldn't feel so ignorant about its position on the matter. - Henryacores^ 23:17, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- I've entered this topic many times and skimmed it. So every time I come here I feel I've read it all before. But I pretty much summarised it anyway. The Answers Wiki is separate from this wiki, and it isn't being managed properly and is making the wiki look bad.
- But if we make sure the place is staffed, then there shouldn't be any problems. It's actually a very useful tool.
- So I'm questioning why people want it removed... when now it is properly staffed (maybe, I didn't pay attention but I think staff has been sorted, right?). 79.69.203.70 23:31, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- JBed: Why bother posting if you can't be bothered to read the background information? Or do you just feel the need to voice your opinion on everything? http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.png 23:21, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- I have strong opinions on Answers Wiki. I had all the time to voice them before, I just thought everything would resolve itself. I saw the discussion going well, two people for potential adminship at the wiki. All looked bright.
- But then I opened the topic and scrolled to the bottom and saw someone say it was removed.
- And then I thought WHY IN THE FUCK? And made my comment.
- But since this thread has been split into sections, and it was rather long, instead of just responding with everything else (wherever that is) I made a comment at the bottom.
- And I covered pretty much everything that was said in the topic in my comment. And the only reason I didn't fully read it was to quickly voice my disgust. 79.69.203.70 23:31, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. On the other hand, I'll outline the reasons simply, at least as I see and feel:
- The Answers wiki is external to us and we have no control over it, say of how it's run, or real foothold there.
- We have our own Q&A area which makes anything else redundant, and furthermore we have full control over said area.
- The Answers wiki, as you saw, reflected poorly on us, and, really, as a programmer, Web designer, and sane individual, I have to say putting a window into an outside site on someone else's site against their will was an especially poor show on Wikia's part. That's the absolute LAST thing any site should have.
- Overall, none of this would be an issue if the site itself was a segment of this one, but you're asking us to entrust doling out OUR information to people we don't know and have never met before this thread, and aside from that, showing potentially objectionable material in a very public spot because people can't be trusted with the feature in the first place. The obvious choice is to keep Q&A internal, and maybe making it more difficult to get to is of benefit, since that also deters abuse. Bluestarultor BSA 23:51, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
- That sounds convincing. My question to you is can we get a similar thing for Dollet Hotel in that same spot? There are methods to show the four most recent topics.
- Of course, since the HTML isn't in the page, it's not necessarily that easy.
- But I just assume JavaScript solves everything. Surely there's a CSS class around there, can you magically replace it with something else? With ease? That would be sexy. 79.69.203.70 00:08, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. On the other hand, I'll outline the reasons simply, at least as I see and feel:
Ok guys ive noticed alot of you are haveing something of a trust issues with me and Lock which i do understand completely seeing as none of you have no clue as to who we are, if it puts some of your minds to ease Catuse167 is helping me and Lock out plus im a regerstered contributor on the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Nemesisx, http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Nemesisx and im also the founder of the http://falloutsandbox.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Nemesisx. I just wish to show you all that im not someone who wishes to bring harm, perhaps if i was a good editor i would been more well known around this wikia, sadly im not allthough i do use this wikia alot, it has helped me from time to time. The Netherealm awaits for you 14:35, December 10, 2011 (UTC)